Blair Backers Get Shrill [UPDATE]

by afew
Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 03:19:05 AM EST

The triumphal roll-out of media spin that was meant to get across the notion that Tony Blair would inevitably be the first president of the European Council has run into trouble.

The pro-Blair noise has remained confined to the British press, and political and popular opposition to Blair's candidature has made its way, falteringly at first, on to the media's radar. Tony is no longer the "only candidate": it's clear there are others, and Mary Robinson may be emerging as a popular one. He's no longer the "inevitable winner": governments of smaller EU member states have taken a stand. There's no doubt Blair is hugely unpopular, as commentary from right and left shows, and as the success of the Stop Blair! petition (achieved with no publicity, no media clout) also shows.

Over the last few days, the Blair campaign has been scraping the barrel. There were arrogant anti-European caricatures and prose from The Economist. Then despicable use of nonsensical bookmaker's odds to keep the "Blair favourite" story running. Yesterday:

Berlusconi backs his old friend Blair for role as EU President - Europe, World - The Independent

Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has backed his old chum Tony Blair for President of Europe in an open letter to Il Foglio, the newspaper part-owned by his estranged wife Veronica, which is mounting a campaign in support of Mr Blair.

And, last night on the Guardian's Comment Is Free:

Stop hating Tony Blair | Irwin Stelzer | Comment is free | The Guardian

Some people hate Tony Blair for what he did in office, most notably assisting in the unseating of Saddam Hussein. Others hate him for what he has done since being forced out of office by Gordon Brown, most notably for making what his former mentor, Neil Kinnock, called "loadsamoney". Still others hate him for what he might become – the president of the European Union, a post created by denying citizens in key European countries a voice in the process by which the Lisbon constitution – er, treaty – was adopted. All the Blair haters are wrong.

Irwin Stelzer, the Hudson Institute/Murdoch voice of the Empire in London during the Blair years*, oozing contempt for the European Union even as he attempts a victimisation ploy.


The Stelzer piece went up yesterday evening and already has a full complement of anti-Blair comments.

Would we be right to consider that the Blair campaign is losing it when it uses figures symbolic of European subjection to US foreign policy interests like Berlusconi and Stelzer in the same day?

Or should we be making ready for the next round?

* Note on Irwin Stelzer:

Writing regularly in Murdoch's Times, Irwin Stelzer laid down the Bush/Cheney administration law to Britain and, even very directly, to the British government. There is one extremely clear example of this, from January 2001 as the new Bush administration began. It was discussed on ET in 2006 here, at which time the article in question was still in the Google cache, which it is no longer. But you can download the text from ET site files here.

The whole article needs to be read, but here are some excerpts (emphasis mine):

Rumsfeld is a long-time proponent of a missile shield to protect America and any who would shelter from missile attacks from 'rogue Governments' such as North Korea, Iran and Iraq, or from a newly hostile Russia.

To put that shield in place, America will need to upgrade radar equipment at RAF Fylingdales in North Yorkshire. That means Blair will have to say 'yes' or 'no' -- 'maybe' or 'later' won't do. The French, of course, are violently opposed to the plan, as are many other European nations which Blair has been so assiduously courting, some of which are eager to curry favour and contracts with the likes of President Saddam Hussein and Iran's ayatollahs. Bush aims to make Blair choose, and if the Prime Minister thinks he can fob off the allegedly not-so-bright new President and his formidable team of Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, with talk of a bridge between America and Europe, he had better think again. America wants an ally, not a bridge.

There is worse. Gordon Brown's chief economic adviser, Ed Balls, and Larry Lindsey, who was in charge of economic policy for George Bush Sr, are old buddies, having been at Harvard together. Recently Lindsey, a colleague of mine at a Washington think-tank, upset Balls by making it clear that the Bush team regards the EU as protectionist. The EU was regarded as not worth fussing with over trade issues because of its refusal to comply with the World Trade Organisation and drop the banana-import scheme that discriminates against US companies, its barriers to the importation of American beef on spurious health grounds, and its import restrictions on American TV programmes, films and other audiovisual products. Equally important, Robert Zoellick, with whom I have served on a corporate advisory board and who will play an important part in formulating the Bush teamís trade policy, is unhappy with the EU's refusal to include services among the products covered by WTO rules.

So there is growing support among trade experts with access to the Bush camp for a move to ignore Britain, and to push instead for bilateral deals with Latin America and with Pacific area countries. After all, Britain has ceded authority over trade matters to the EU, and from Americaís point of view that means dealing with the French whose enthusiasm for free trade, to put it mildly, leaves something to be desired.

...

...George W. Bush has one test for intervention: is a vital American interest involved? To which Colin Powell adds, can we accomplish the mission quickly, and get out? No hanging around for 'nation building', and no use of combat troops for humanitarian chores. If Blair is looking for an ally to support his not-unworthy vision of the role of democracies, he should start looking elsewhere. And stop thinking that he can count on American resources to realise his benign vision, while reducing the combat readiness of his own forces.

Some years ago, the then British Ambassador to the US, Robin Renwick, quoted a Foreign Office paper on relations between your country and mine: 'If we go about our business in the right way, we can help steer this great unwieldy barge, the United States of America, into the right harbour.' As any streetwise American would tell Blair now: 'Fuggedaboutit.' We have an able new captain on the bridge of our ship of state, an experienced crew, an aversion to 'Third Way' bilge, and a clear sense of the direction in which we want to travel in the world. We hope the British people will join us. But right now, we fear that they, or at least their Prime Minister, would rather sail under the flag of those not exactly friendly to us. We mourn our loss, as you should yours.

There can be no clearer statement of US imperial policy, pre- or post-9/11, and openly threatening language, sent through the main London organ of the press magnate Blair cannot do without, Rupert Murdoch. Of course, Blair did as he was told, and today we have Stelzer telling us not to hate him...

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Nice takedown, afew.)

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by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 04:06:06 AM EST
Not according to sitemeter, no.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 04:25:38 AM EST
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I hope the press release will have an effect. And we can get some media coverage....

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 06:26:33 AM EST
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until it's over.

The more noise we, European citizens, can create to show how a majority of the EU's population feels that Blair embodies the antithesis of European integration and cooperation, the better.

What should be our next round of ammunition?

by Nomad on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 04:34:06 AM EST
I have added a footnote on Irwin Stelzer.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 05:02:12 AM EST
Footnote ?? More like a size 12 hobnail boot in the groin.

Excellent !!!

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:25:18 AM EST
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Thank'ee (2).

</clobber crunch hobnails off>

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:42:03 AM EST
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Chilcot inquiry may consider legality of Iraq war - Home News, UK - The Independent

The Chilcot Inquiry into the Iraq war has appointed one of the most renowned experts on international law as an adviser, in what is viewed as an indication that the Blair government's legal justification for the invasion is to come under serious scrutiny.

Dame Rosalyn Higgins, who was the most senior female judge in the world when she was the president of the International Court of Justice, will advise the panel on legal issues as well as the wider investigation.

The announcement of her appointment came after repeated assurances by the inquiry's chairman, Sir John Chilcot, that his team would not carry out a "whitewash". He has insisted the committee "will not shy away from making criticism. If we find that mistakes were made... We will say so."

Tony Blair will be called as a witness and he and other witnesses will be reminded to tell the truth.

The legal case for the war, presented by the then Attorney General, Lord Goldsmith, became hugely contentious. The vast majority of international legal opinion disputed his claim that UN resolutions justified Britain joining the US in the attack.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 05:07:38 AM EST
Still others hate him for what he might become - the president of the European Union

In his dreams. In reality, the post is only president of the European Council... and won't be his.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 05:47:59 AM EST
European Tribune - Blair Backers Get Shrill [UPDATE]
The Stelzer piece went up yesterday evening and already has a full complement of anti-Blair comments.
Including one that links to the stop blair petition. I don't think that's one of us, is it?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 06:06:39 AM EST
I posted one.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:15:32 AM EST
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There is one other, not from one of us, I'd say.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:38:02 AM EST
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I used to cross swords with Irwin Steltzer on his Timesonline Blog but gave up when he wouldn't respond or even address the issues raised.  He always struck me as a not particularly bright representative of the Neo-con genre - always making out to be a player and yet saying things publicly that no real player would give away - like the very obviously contemptuous tone of his piece above:  Not a very smart way to get even atlanticists feeling comfortable with the relationship.

I cannot believe his intervention now is part ot the Bliar PR strategy.  Blair needs people to be reminded of his "lap dog" status within Neo-con circles like he needs a hole in the head.  Having avowed Eurosceptics sing your praises must be the stupidist election strategy I ever heard.  Does Europe want to become a lapdog like Blair is the implicit offer - one I suspect even European Conservatives - with the exception of Berlusconi - will not want to be associated with.

Berlsconi's support should be enough to kill off any candidacy, but what are the Eastern European states saying - particularly those looking to NATO for security.  If Blair cannot dredge up support there he is lost.  Vaclav Klaus is also giving such naked nationalism a bad name.  The odds on a Mary Robinson type candidate must be shortening...

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 06:13:27 AM EST
From the Consolidated version of the Lisbon Treaty:
The European Council shall elect its President, by a qualified majority, for a term of two and a half years, renewable once. In the event of an impediment or serious misconduct, the European Council can end the President's term of office in accordance with the same procedure.

...

As from 1 November 2014, a qualified majority shall be defined as at least 55 % of the members of the Council, comprising at least fifteen of them and representing Member States comprising at least 65 % of the population of the Union.
A blocking minority must include at least four Council members, failing which the qualified majority shall be deemed attained.
The other arrangements governing the qualified majority are laid down in Article 238(2) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.

The transitional provisions relating to the definition of the qualified majority which shall be applicable until 31 October 2014 and those which shall be applicable from 1 November 2014 to 31 March 2017 are laid down in the Protocol on transitional provisions.

...

Until 31 October 2014, the following provisions shall remain in force, without prejudice to the second subparagraph of Article 235(1) of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union.
For acts of the European Council and of the Council requiring a qualified majority, members' votes shall be weighted as follows:
Belgium 12
Bulgaria 10
Czech Republic 12
Denmark 7
Germany 29
Estonia 4
Ireland 7
Greece 12
Spain 27
France 29
Italy 29
Cyprus 4
Latvia 4
Lithuania 7
Luxembourg 4
Hungary 12
Malta 3
Netherlands 13
Austria 10
Poland 27
Portugal 12
Romania 14
Slovenia 4
Slovakia 7
Finland 7
Sweden 10
United Kingdom 29
Acts shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing a majority of the members where, under the Treaties, they must be adopted on a proposal from the Commission. In other cases decisions shall be adopted if there are at least 255 votes in favour representing at least two thirds of the
members.
A member of the European Council or the Council may request that, where an act is adopted by the European Council or the Council by a qualified majority, a check is made to ensure that the Member States comprising the qualified majority represent at least 62 % of the total population of the Union. If that proves not to be the case, the act shall not be adopted.

Do we have a scorecard? Who's voting for Blair?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 06:50:38 AM EST
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From the coverage I've seen on ET, this is what I'd lay book on if I were a bookie.

Against:
Luxembourg 4

Unlikely:
Belgium 12
Germany 29
Greece 12
Spain 27
Netherlands 13
Sweden 10
Poland 27

Probable:
Denmark 7

Supporting:
Italy 29
United Kingdom 29

Unknown:
Bulgaria 10
Czech Republic 12
Estonia 4
France 29
Ireland 7
Cyprus 4
Latvia 4
Lithuania 7
Hungary 12
Malta 3
Austria 10
Portugal 12
Romania 14
Slovenia 4
Slovakia 7
Finland 7

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:06:03 AM EST
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I'd say Austria should be unlikely.

nanne:

ORF: Faymann gegen Blair als EU-Ratspräsidenten
Bundeskanzler Werner Faymann (SPÖ) hat sich heute klar gegen die Berufung des früheren britischen Premierministers Tony Blair zum EU-Ratspräsidenten ausgesprochen. Er begründete das mit Blairs engem politischen Verhältnis zum früheren US-Präsidenten George W. Bush.

Der Kandidat für diesen Posten solle die Sozialdemokratie widerspiegeln, sagte Faymann heute beim Parteitag der Salzburger SPÖ in Zell am See, aber: "Wir brauchen einen Kandidaten, der nicht für Bush ist, sondern für Obama."


This is the most direct statement of opposition to Blair yet -- by a government leader. Also, some more from Fischler (former Commissioner) in the piece. No time to translate, but I think you get the gist. h/t to Quatremer


Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:21:02 AM EST
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But wouldn't it be nice to have a candidate who is for Europe, not simply for the right American President?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:24:30 AM EST
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That's just crazy-talk.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:01:16 AM EST
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Let's be generous, that's a clear Against.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:38:01 AM EST
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Finland, having an unannounced candidate itself, could also be placed in the unlikely bin.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:40:43 AM EST
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Regrettably Cowen said he was for Blair - in recognition of Blairs contribution to the Peace Process.  However that was before Mary Robinson started getting popular traction, and Cowen would not want to be seen as supporting a foreign nominee against an Irish (albeit ex-Labour) candidate.  Expect to see some trimming if Mary does actually get some foreign Governmental support - the key requirement for any candidate to be deemed "serious".

So at this stage, you should probably put Ireland in the "Probably" for Blair camp - at least on a first count - unless at least one other country nominates Robinson.  I would be surprised if Irish diplomats weren't taking the temperature at this point.  No one wants to be associated with a loser - especially if there was a home town candidate on offer.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:18:33 AM EST
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Against 14
Austria 10
Luxembourg 4

Unlikely 137
Belgium 12
Finland 7
Germany 29
Greece 12
Netherlands 13
Poland 27
Spain 27
Sweden 10

Likely 14
Denmark 7
Ireland 7

For 58
Italy 29
United Kingdom 29

Unknown 122
Cyprus 4
Czech Republic 12
Bulgaria 10
Estonia 4
France 29
Hungary 12
Latvia 4
Lithuania 7
Malta 3
Portugal 12
Romania 14
Slovakia 7
Slovenia 4

Total 345

Needed to win: 255 votes from 18 different states and 62% of the population
Blocking minorities consist of: 111 votes or 10 member states or 39% of the population.

Blair seems to be far away from his goal.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:46:10 AM EST
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Are you using the right voting weights? I thought Germany would have more votes under Lisbon?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:51:28 AM EST
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See upthread, this is from the "protocols" to the consolidated treaty.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:05:57 AM EST
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IIRC this was originally a concession to Poland.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 09:47:47 AM EST
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Heh, I completely missed that the PotEC would be a QMV post. Well, that makes our coverage more interesting.

Poland got the new voting weights postponed to 2014, or something.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:07:52 AM EST
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Migeru:
Blocking minorities consist of: 111 votes
Erm... make that 91.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:13:27 AM EST
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How about a diary on this?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:40:51 AM EST
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Good idea. With updates and periodic bumps?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:24:47 AM EST
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We need graphs of course, or this would not be ET.
by Nomad on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:35:16 AM EST
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I don't quite imagine there's a bunch of brilliant PR boys sitting there saying "Next we'll have Berlusconi and Stelzer"! I think the first rollout of a (definitely organized) campaign has fallen on bad times. There's no doubt a wish to keep hold of the media cycle, hence the Paddy Power rubbish, but there's not much to go on. Berlusconi fills a gap (look at Google News for "Blair president" in the Search box - compare Tuesday's which had a majority of anti-Blair stories).

The Economist and Stelzer are making Blair noise too, though their effect on European opinion at popular or governmental levels is quite possibly negative. That's really my point. In the effort to keep "Blair favourite" on the boil, they've run out of firewood. But it's also possible that even weak pro-Blair stories are considered better than yielding ground to anti-Blair stories.

And you can bet we'll hear more "leave Tony alone", "why all this hatred?", "stop Blair-baiting" stories.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:13:30 AM EST
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The Economist and Stelzer are making Blair noise too, though their effect on European opinion at popular or governmental levels is quite possibly negative.

I'm not sure about the negativity of the governmental level effect of The Economist... It probably brought out Faymann's reaction, but the question is the new members and Portugal.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 07:43:51 AM EST
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will open a book on two snails sliming up a wall if there is public interest or a potential market.  The fact they have done so demonstrates the public interest, and the odds on offer give a sense of where the money is being laid based on current public perceptions - within their market - i.e. mostly UK and Ireland.

Thus looking at how those odds change over time will be one indicator of how public perceptions are changing (and perhaps also some semi-informed insider trading).

The very fact that Mary Robinson is on the list at the present time is a good start.  Lets see how the odds change...

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:24:07 AM EST
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Sure Paddy Power will offer odds on anything. But on half a field of non-starters, and with a possible front-runner missing? If they did that in horse-racing they'd be up in court.

It's also the use made of it by one or two eager beavers in the political press, who didn't even notice there was anything wrong with Paddy Power's crap.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:48:50 AM EST
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afew:
But on half a field of non-starters, and with a possible front-runner missing? If they did that in horse-racing they'd be up in court.

Not at all.  The runners haven't been declared yet and anyone can propose anyone at the moment - Mary Robinson probably coming from left field as far as many Heads of Government are concerned.  The fact that Lipponen isn't mentioned merely means few in Ireland/UK have heard of him and none have asked to lay a bet. (There's an opening for you - you'll get good odds on a first bet...;-))

The fact that this qualifies as "news" on a slow news day in the MSM (which repeats the "President of Europe" crap) says more about the MSM than the PP marketing strategy which specialises in quirky news attention grabbing stunts.  It's in the entertainment business, not Europolitics, and shouldn't be taken any more seriously than that.  

I suspect the MSM seized on it because it does offer some kind of list and some way of measuring the relative perceived chances of many of the key players - late entrants notwithstanding.  As I said above it will be interesting to see how the odds change based on where the bets are laid based on what the MSM say based on what some would be insiders say based on what some insiders may or may not have said.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 12:10:44 PM EST
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It's not of much interest why PP did it, except that a spokesperson said reading the newspapers and making an educated guess was how they arrived at their pile of crap. In other words, that was an opening list and quite possibly they hadn't received any money on most of the "field". (Have you read the exchange linked to in the diary and followed the links?)

As for the "political commentary" people that featured it, I don't think people who are paid to do political analysis and commentary are unaware of what they are doing.

interesting to see how the odds change

Can you be serious?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 02:46:02 PM EST
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If you check their other bets, you'll see that they have one for the next Pope, with odds 1000:1 for Bono. I think that says it all....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:27:32 AM EST
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When I first saw your title, I read "Blair backers are shills"

Berlusconi and Murdoch. Says it all.

(in fact, something that the Economist and Berlusconi can see eye-to-eye on is something that should spontaneously be opposed by people other than oligarchs, masters of the universe and their respective toadies).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 08:50:01 AM EST
http://blairforpresident.eu/powderdustlive/Home.html


Welcome to blairforpresident.eu a site dedicated to the successful election of Tony Blair as President of the European Union.

This site has no affiliation with Tony Blair but feels it must offer a balanced opinion to the website stopblair.eu - a site that encourages users to petition against the nomination of Tony Blair to be President of the European Union.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:05:27 AM EST
And that is all the content they have, except some links...

Maybe they will present an argument down the road.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 10:34:34 AM EST
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And they seem to think that everybody in the EU reads English....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 11:17:30 AM EST
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Everybody that matters, that is. :P

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 11:43:22 AM EST
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Not active.

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"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 01:16:13 PM EST
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Oh, but they have linked articles as new as of yesterday, so someone is doing a job half-heartedly there. It's just the old "do a google news search and embed the relevant links once a day".

"If you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles." Sun Tzu
by Turambar (sersguenda at hotmail com) on Thu Oct 15th, 2009 at 01:22:00 PM EST
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...and they (or just a he?) started a counter-petition.

Supporters:
36

Goal:
50,000

I note it increased by 2 since I last checked in the morning. Well, comparing with our numbers. If this ain't a deft stealth campaign against Blair...

Then again, our original goal was 1,000,000; we achieved 3.76% of that. But, still much better than their/his 0.072%...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 01:09:49 PM EST
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Few Britons Want Blair as EU President: Angus Reid Global Monitor
(Angus Reid Global Monitor) - The idea of Tony Blair becoming president of the European Council is not particularly popular with people in Britain, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. 47 per cent of respondents oppose the former British prime minister taking on this role.

Polling Data

Under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty, EU leaders will choose a President of the European Council for a two and a half year renewable term. Would you support or oppose Tony Blair becoming president of the European Council?

Strongly support...........9%

Moderately support.......23%

Moderately oppose........12%

Strongly oppose...........35%

Not sure...................20%

Source: Angus Reid Strategies
Methodology: Online interviews with 2,005 British adults, conducted on Oct. 8 and Oct. 9, 2009. Margin of error is 2.2 per cent.

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:29:22 AM EST
Le Figaro - Politique : «Ce n'est pas mon fils qui est visé, c'est moi»Le Figaro: Sarkozy Interview
Une fois Lisbonne ratifié, Tony Blair peut-il être un bon candidat à la présidence de l'Union européenne ?Once Lisbon has been ratified, could Tony Blair be a good candidate for the presidency of the European Union (sic)?
Il est trop tôt pour le dire. Il y aura un débat. Nous sommes en présence de deux thèses : faut-il un président fort et charismatique ou un président qui facilite la recherche du consensus et qui organise le travail ? Personnellement, je crois en une Europe forte politiquement et incarnée. Mais le fait que la Grande-Bretagne ne soit pas dans l'euro reste un problème.It is too soon to say. There will be a debate. There are two theses: do we need a strong and charismatic president or a president who helps to seek consensus and who organizes the work? Personally, I believe in a politically strong Europe embodied [by someone]. But the fact that Great Britain is not in the euro remains a problem.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:30:25 AM EST
Nicolas Sarkozy: Tony Blair faces strong opposition as EU President - Times Online

The remarks by Mr Sarkozy to Le Figaro, the newspaper that is considered to be his house organ, dampened hopes in the Blair team that French arm-twisting would win the day when EU leaders meet later this month in the aftermath of Ireland's approval of the Lisbon Treaty. French commentators said that Mr Sarkozy appeared to be dumping Mr Blair as a liability.

The candidacy of Mr Blair is supported by eastern and southern Europe but opposed by the Netherlands and Belgium, founder states of the Common Market. It is also opposed by the European Left and much of the European Parliament. His support of the war in Iraq and free market capitalism damns him in many eyes.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:31:23 AM EST
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Mr Blair is supported by eastern and southern Europe

From what source did he divine that?...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 01:17:13 PM EST
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Well, his good buddy Silvio Corruptioni certainly supports him. Which would account for the Southern. The Eastern support I suppose is guesswork based on the fact that Bliar and certain Central and Eastern European governments share an Atlanticist inclination and a penchant for bear-baiting.

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 01:20:12 PM EST
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Klaus and Burlesqueoni?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:00:26 PM EST
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Blair's bid to be president launches public debate | Policies | EU governance | Council of Ministers | European Voice

I would not support Blair for the job because he is too divisive, and the appointment of such a controversial figure would seriously damage the Union's fragile legitimacy with its publics. Moreover, the UK is half in and half out of the Union, and a President Blair would further complicate a relationship with the UK that is bound to take a turn for the worse if the Conservatives win the next election. But it is Blair's role in starting the Iraq war that will most likely wreck his prospects of getting the job.

Nevertheless, we should welcome the efforts by Blair's friends to pretend that, because he is Blair and the alternatives are `political pygmies', he is a shoo-in for the job. Their optimistic spinning has some positive aspects. It has launched a genuine public debate around Europe. One needs to look no further than a recent comment in the Financial Times to savour the flavour of this particular controversy. A pro-Blair piece by Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform, provoked a volley of hostile letters and the promotion of possible alternatives - including, intriguingly, Christine Lagarde, France's impressive finance minister (Sarkozy may already have calculated that Blair could be eliminated by a very able French woman who commands respect rather than bilious resistance).

Note the ending. Is Sarko wondering if he can place Christine Lagarde? I'm not sure how much respect she commands...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 16th, 2009 at 02:34:23 AM EST


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