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by Jerome a Paris
Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 10:02:50 AM EST

12 November 2009


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Yesterday I woke at 3 A.M. with a question.

How do I know that I'm still alive?  Suppose I had dropped dead during the night.  How would I "know" that didn't happen?  Just thinking.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 10:27:22 AM EST
One way to check if you're still alive is to post a comment in the Salon or Open Thread and see if anyone responds.
by Magnifico on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 12:59:17 PM EST
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Think of brains. If you feel hunger...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:02:00 PM EST
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zen question, mr T.

how many people are dead but don't know it, as the psychic momentum they created is still winding down?

if being alive after physical death feels no different at all in the sense of having choices to make, other entities to be convivial with, and perceived needs and desires to meet, then maybe the seam between the two is only in our imaginations, the differences merely symbolic.

or maybe not! even scarier than not being sure you're alive would be to forget why you wanted to live and not be dead...

relax, you're alive!

mortally so...

:)


Eventually physical reality trumps narrative. It can just take a long time. Derrick Jensen

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:25:11 PM EST
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Can psychic momentum get online and post on ET?

Good question, that my psychic momentum isn't up to answering.

<fades away>

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 03:28:56 PM EST
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perhaps psychic momentum could keep the perception of normality going for a while, as in self consciousness whilst dreaming asleep.

it's the old butterfly koan, innit?

in a sense the psychic momentum of every thought and feeling i ever had is posting on ET, and perhaps there is an equivalent of ET beyond, or perhaps the momentum would go on through peoples' thoughts, as in 'that sounds like what melo might have said'.

but didn't because he chilled right out offa da grid, lol.

as for posting while not up to speed, hmm....

Eventually physical reality trumps narrative. It can just take a long time. Derrick Jensen

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 07:19:22 PM EST
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douchebags | Père Duchesne, Not | 12 Nov 2009

The Obama administration is standing firm in its support of several George W. Bush-era Patriot Act powers in the face of sharp criticism from civil rights groups, liberal Democrats and a Dec. 31 deadline to extend key provisions of the bill.

The Justice Department recently reiterated its request for Congress to extend with few changes key provisions of the Patriot Act: sections that allow roving wiretaps on multiple phones, seizing of business records and a never-used authority to spy on non-Americans suspected of being terrorists even though they have no connection to a recognized terrorist group....

At least six bills to reauthorize the act have been offered in the House and Senate, revealing Democratic divisions that must be overcome.[?] The administration appears to have convinced Leahy and his Senate colleagues on Judiciary, which passed a bill in early October that would renew the expiring powers for four years, with modest changes. The House Judiciary bill includes slightly stricter standards that the government must meet to win approval for a roving wiretap, access library or bookstore records and issue national security letters, demands for information without a court order....

Other than the letter to Leahy, so far the Justice Department has not publicly provided detailed reasons for keeping the Patriot Act provisions largely intact. In recent weeks, however, the administration has hailed its interception of an alleged domestic terrorism plot involving a legal U.S. resident from Afghanistan -- Najibullah Zazi, whom the government says is linked to al Qaeda -- as proof that the Patriot Act needs to be renewed. Disclosure of the 55-page written response from the Justice Department comes one week before Holder is set to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on general oversight issues.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 10:37:06 AM EST
GQ: The Wire Q&A: Scott Horton on the CIA's Secret Drone War

GQ Has Obama done anything to scale back the power of the executive, in your opinion?

SH He inherited a presidency of unprecedented power, especially in the national security area, and he has shown no real compunction to surrender any of that power. Sure, he's said no torture, no black sites, no extraordinary renditions--but even on that, he dropped a footnote and said I'm not saying renditions are bad, just extraordinary renditions. These are quite surgical modifications. The bigger machine is still operating the way it was in the past. There was a hope that he would gradually begin this process of bringing things back to somewhat more balance. But that's really not happening. We see a president who is unwilling to give up any prerogative. To the contrary, I'm sure he feels that he's in a position to use that power for the good, so why should he give it up.

May be cliché, but 'Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely.'

by Magnifico on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:06:22 PM EST
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squat of doom | 12 Nov 2009

A group of French students and workers, protesting against record youth unemployment and a lack of state help, are squatting at a mansion on one of Paris's oldest and most fashionable squares, the Place des Vosges.

"Squatting here is maybe the best thing for my morale, but as far as the rest is concerned, I can't see a light at the end of the tunnel," said Margaux, a 24-year-old urban planning student at Paris University, who declined to provide her last name. "I'm struggling to find a home and in the future I know I will struggle to find a job. You'd be surprised how little there is for young people to look forward to in France."...

Margaux and 30 other activists broke into and occupied the three-storey, 17th-century building late last month. With its high, carved and painted ceilings and oak floors, the stone mansion stands in same square where Victor Hugo, the author of "Les Miserables," once lived. It is also near a house owned by International Monetary Fund Chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn's wife Anne Sinclair.

The squatters, who may be ejected by the police, will try to stay in the house, once owned by the Marquise de Sevigne, until winter ends in March. The 2,000 square-meter (21,528 sq- feet) house overlooking a manicured lawn and other red and white mansions with dark blue slate roofs, belongs to an 84-year-old French woman, who bought it in 1963 and has never lived in it.

Hurting Youth

Data from the French statistics office, Insee, shows that unemployment among people aged 15 to 24 rose at the fastest pace on record during the economic crisis, adding 6.5 percentage points between the first quarter of 2008 and the second quarter of this year. During the 1993 crisis, youth unemployment rose 3.3 percentage points.  



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 10:59:26 AM EST
<sigh>

This is not to make light of youth employment problems in France or elsewhere, but this article is an exercise in giving another angle to a story.

The "Jeudi Noir" (Black Thursday) collective is about finding lodgings for young people, above all students. Student accommodation is a major problem principally because of the property bubble and the high rents it has caused, also because reliance on markets to allocate resources efficiently has led to non-investment in student residences etc (surprised?).

The building they are squatting in fact belongs to an old lady who is far from speculating on it (which the article doesn't state, but it's a quite likely subtext). It's a historical building that she has spent her money trying to renovate and maintain; today she has nothing but debts and is in a form of receivership. It seems her main worry is that the squatters may damage the most historically important parts of the building that she has managed to keep in good condition. The squatters have agreed not to use those rooms.

This, in an American business paper (from the American business environment that brought us the property bubble and greater unemployment thanks to the crisis) becomes a story about how youth has no future in France.

plus ça change...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 03:20:14 PM EST
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Twank, the answer I was given by my professor of Philosophy many years ago is,

 "Who wants to know ?"

by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 11:34:25 AM EST
It's a good thing we have David Cameron around to make Obama's speeches seem substantive.

But why is he being published in the Guardian?

And, if the Guardian's going to insist on publishing Americans, could it please find some who aren't complete morons?  It's tough, I know, but not impossible.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 11:47:54 AM EST
The Guardian: 'We've surrounded ourselves with morons to make ourselves seem brighter.'

Umm...

by Magnifico on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:01:01 PM EST
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Nice

Now Mr. Galbraith, 58, son of the renowned economist John Kenneth Galbraith, stands to earn perhaps a hundred million or more dollars as a result of his closeness to the Kurds, his relations with a Norwegian oil company and constitutional provisions he helped the Kurds extract.

In the constitutional negotiations, he helped the Kurds ram through provisions that gave their region -- rather than the central Baghdad government -- sole authority over many of their internal affairs, including clauses that he maintains will give the Kurds virtually complete control over all new oil finds on their territory....

So it came as a shock to many last month when a group of Norwegian investigative journalists at the newspaper Dagens Naeringsliv began publishing documents linking Mr. Galbraith to a specific Norwegian oil company with major contracts in Iraq.

Interviews by The New York Times with more than a dozen current and former government and business officials in Norway, France, Iraq, the United States and elsewhere, along with legal records and other documents, reveal in considerable detail that he received rights to an enormous stake in at least one of Kurdistan's oil fields in the spring of 2004.

As it turns out, Mr. Galbraith received the rights after he helped negotiate a potentially lucrative contract that allowed the Norwegian oil company DNO to drill for oil in the promising Dohuk region of Kurdistan, the interviews and documents show. He says his actions were proper because he was at the time a private citizen deeply involved in Kurdish causes, both in business and policy....

DNO's chief executive, Helge Eide, confirmed that Mr. Galbraith helped negotiate the Tawke deal and advised the company during 2005. But Mr. Eide said that Mr. Galbraith acted solely as a political adviser and that the company never discussed the Constitution negotiations with him. "We certainly never did give any input, language or suggestions on the Constitution," Mr. Eide said.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:21:20 PM EST
here the amount of $100M does not seem very realistic to me.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:39:28 PM EST
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Krugman-Enron again?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:02:39 PM EST
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Aha! I see.

It is not so much the amount of money but of the privilege that offends me. Somewhat. One at least is earned, the other not so much.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 07:27:24 PM EST
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In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:42:47 PM EST
but I can't do it right now. Enjoy in the time being:

Does Biased News Have a 'Time Bomb' Effect?

A European study shows that, over time, even the most sophisticated readers can be manipulated.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:44:41 PM EST
The Nazi 'Big Lie' propaganda technique proves to be even more effective than previously thought.
by Magnifico on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:59:14 PM EST
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http://gawker.com/5402172/the-shake-rattle-decline-and-fall-of-american-empire

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:52:53 PM EST
Now what I'd really love to see is some downloader suing the RIAA over this.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:00:54 PM EST
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From the comments at Gawker:

So do the Alberta oil sands explain the annoying persistence of Rush?


WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:04:39 PM EST
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Use of the rock-n-roll sample is bad because it assumes all songs in the RS top 500 are rock songs and that they are American, take the first 10 songs:


  1. Like a Rolling Stone, Bob Dylan

  2. Satisfaction, The Rolling Stones

  3. Imagine, John Lennon

  4. What's Going On, Marvin Gaye

  5. Respect, Aretha Franklin

  6. Good Vibrations, The Beach Boys

  7. Johnny B. Goode, Chuck Berry

  8. Hey Jude, The Beatles

  9. Smells Like Teen Spirit, Nirvana

  10. What'd I Say, Ray Charles

30% British.

The list is peppered with European and Australian rock bands such as The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Rolling Stones, The Who, The Kinks, The Clash, U2, Sinead O'Connor, ABBA, Elton John, The Bee Gees, and so on...

Add to that non-rock songs such as:


  • Ring of Fire, Johnny Cash

  • Your Cheatin' Heart, Hank Williams

  • Jolene, Dolly Parton

Plus this RS list overlooks any song that comes out before the dawn of rock-n-roll, so the best popular songs of the 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and so forth are overlooked.

by Magnifico on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:15:34 PM EST
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Barrick shuts hedge book as world gold supply runs out

Global gold production is in terminal decline despite record prices and Herculean efforts by mining companies to discover fresh sources of ore in remote spots, according to the world's top producer Barrick Gold.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 01:57:03 PM EST
Peak oil, peak gold, peak climate... one is starting to think God doesn't like us anymore.
by Magnifico on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:18:44 PM EST
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The planet was remortgaged to that other guy some while ago.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:26:33 PM EST
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that's a bit like blaming the host for the fact that the guests are using the picassos for dartboards, and the silk sheets for wiping offal.


Eventually physical reality trumps narrative. It can just take a long time. Derrick Jensen
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:32:58 PM EST
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oops, got scooped
apolabbies

Eventually physical reality trumps narrative. It can just take a long time. Derrick Jensen
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 02:26:59 PM EST
The Oxford Council on Good Governance: OCGG
Tony Blair unfit for EU Presidency

by André Nilsen

Recommendation to the European Council

The European Council should not make Tony Blair its first permanent President but instead choose a low-profile, consensual, trusted, multilateralist, centrist, progressive, diplomatic, Europeanist, forward-looking, and public-spirited woman or man among the many excellent other candidates.

OCGG Government Recommendation No 7 (PDF)

 



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 04:02:58 PM EST
Gah. He makes the point that the job is "Chairman, Not Chief", but then keeps calling it "EU President"; and even before, says

As the EU with the Constitution de facto becomes a Republic, the EU President will in practice be Europe's head of
state.

Oh, and Constitution. The Oxford Council on Good Governance should give an introducory EU and Lisbon Treaty course to its think-tankers...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 05:16:19 PM EST
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Having had enough with the Wall 20, the weather, and the candidates, i'm just finishing reading

Soccernomics: Why England Loses, Why Germany and Brazil Win, and the US, Japan, Australia, Turkey,  --and Even Iraq-- Are Destined to Become the KINGS OF THE WORLD'S MOST POPULAR SPORT

It's chock full of less statistics than i expected, and it's heavy on the Premiere League and teams supported by fascist dictators, but some graphs even. One thing's for sure, it will change the discussion of the game, if it hasn't already.

one poster child for the Thesis: Olympique Lyon. Hi melancthon.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 04:59:12 PM EST
My research institute (the one I work at, I mean) is sponsoring this:

The Institute of Caribbean Studies of the University of Puerto Rico-Río Piedras invites the academic community and the general public to the lecture "La controversia marítima y territorial entre Colombia y Nicaragua: Implicaciones, retos y reflexiones" [The Maritime and Territorial Controversy between Colombia and Nicaragua: Implications, Challenges, and Reflections] by Silvia Mantilla Valbuena, professor and researcher from the Institute of Caribbean Studies of the National University of Colombia in San Andrés. Dr. María del Pilar Argüelles (Political Science Department, University of Puerto Rico-Río Piedras) will serve as commentator. The talk will be held on Tuesday, November 17, 2009, from 1:00 to 3:00pm in Amphitheater CRA 108, Carmen Rivera de Alvarado Building, School of Social Sciences, at the University of Puerto Rico-Río Piedras.

Hope to see you all there.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Thu Nov 12th, 2009 at 05:54:44 PM EST


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