Propaganda does work - even with you

by Jerome a Paris
Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 08:42:08 AM EST

Does Biased News Have a 'Time Bomb' Effect?

Michael Bruter, a senior lecturer in European politics at the school, fed a steady diet of slanted newsletters about Europe and the European Union — either all good news or all bad — to 1,200 citizens of six countries over two years.

Over time, Bruter found, and without exception, the readers subconsciously adopted the bias to varying degrees and changed their view of the EU and of themselves as Europeans, a few of them in the extreme. Surprisingly, they didn't register any change right after the newsletters stopped — not until full six months later, when they had obviously let down their guard.

Bruter calls this the "time bomb" effect of one-sided news. His study paints a blunt picture of how cynicism, far from inoculating citizens to resist political persuasion, merely delays the impact.

I've long noticed on DailyKos that readers who are usually properly suspicious of what they read in the media on topics they know about (like US politics) drop their guard on subjects they are less familiar with (like European economic stories) and swallow the mainstream media's distortions wholesale. But this goes further: not only does propaganda work on subjects you are not familiar with, or do not usually care about, but it can work even on topics you follow closely...

In other words: noise machines work.


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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 08:52:29 AM EST
Groupthink stems from a human's wish for social conformity which stems from our predilection for compliance with the perceived group consensus.  The ubiquity of tendency towards compliance was discovered in the early 1950s (IIRC,) a basic study of Social Psychology found a person underwent stress when the test subject thought their answer to a question was unique among the test population; the researchers found the statistical likelihood of this was 1 -- meaning: always.

Note how crucial Authority figures are in the above.

The famous, and depressing, Milgram Obedience to Authority experiments proved the willingness of test subjects (~60% of test population) to (as they thought) torture people to death given the proper environment and immediate and personal positive feedback by an Authority figure.  The results of these experiments, widely duplicated because of disbelief of the results, showed ~20% of the test subjects (torturers) were willing to continue even in environments where the Authority Figure's presence was minimal or absent.

Group Dynamics and socialization affects the results in regard to (perceived) In-Group members.  However [from Techniqes of Persuasion by J. A. C. Brown, emphasis original]:

... most people want to to feel that issues are simple rather than complex, want to have their prejudices confirmed, want to feel that they 'belong' with the implication that others do not, and need to pinpoint an enemy to blame for their frustrations.

Clever propagandists feed these wants and needs.  They construct a Message inside a Narrative so as to provide simple answers, confirm prejudices, provide a sense of belonging, and point at an enemy.  They establish an Authority Figure to 'validate' the Message and Narrative.  They isolate non-conforming Narratives and Messages by physical -- not allowing access to media by those with alternative views -- and psychologically -- 'locating' those with alternative views in the Out Group.

And they are very, very, good at all of this.

By popular request ... Madness takes it's toll. Have exact change ready.

by ATinNM on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 10:14:53 AM EST
"And they are very, very, good at this."

See My Near Death Panel Experience by Earl Blumenauer (D, Oregon) for one way of doing it.

Teaser quote:

Betsy McCaughey entered the fray. A former lieutenant governor of New York, Ms. McCaughey had gained notoriety in the 1990s by attacking the Clinton health plan. In a radio interview, she attacked the end-of-life provisions in the health care legislation, claiming it "would make it mandatory, absolutely require, that every five years people in Medicare have a required counseling session that will tell them how to end their life sooner." The St. Petersburg Times's fact-checking Web site PolitiFact quickly excoriated her: "McCaughey isn't just wrong; she's spreading a ridiculous falsehood."

But in today's vicious news cycle, lies take on lives of their own on Web sites, blogs and e-mail chains and go viral in seconds. Ms. McCaughey's claims were soon widely circulated in the thirst for ammunition against the Democrats' health care reform plan.




By popular request ... Madness takes it's toll. Have exact change ready.
by ATinNM on Sun Nov 15th, 2009 at 12:58:32 PM EST
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I suppose this could explain religions too.
by Magnifico on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 10:31:19 AM EST
There is no 'you.'

That's why this works. Humans are a collective organism, driven by instincts and tradition, but with no clear collective consciousness or goals - the intellectual equivalent of lichen.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 11:08:40 AM EST
You mean there is no 'me'.

Did anyone else think of Guy Debord when reading about these results?

by Trond Ove on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 03:33:42 PM EST
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If there's no 'me', there's no 'you'.

There's sort of a 'they' - but that leads to paranoia, so it's best not to stress it.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 05:18:05 PM EST
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You guys are trying too hard. Everyone knows this stuff, but it's painful to know consciously, so we live our lives in (relative) psychological comfort.

Only by seeing such clarity as the solution to a more difficult and painful conscious knowledge (we're getting into the concept of action here) such as global warming can we make the clarity stay present to us.

Possibly just knowing about global warming and accepting it as inevitable (one of the goals of the "deniers") is enough to put the clarity back into the "No Action" file, though.

"Excess population=>CO2" Speak to that first!

by ormondotvos (ormond lmi net no spam) on Sun Nov 15th, 2009 at 01:24:32 AM EST
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MWe.

[one of the most taked0wned vids on utube]

Human individuality is constructed in interaction with (and to the larger part conferred by) the group. We are group animals, but of a particular kind.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 10:57:54 PM EST
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There's a good Ghostbusters/Zuul joke in there somewhere.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 11:38:16 PM EST
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One question: is there anything but noise?

Andrei Codrescu made a few insightful comments about the media in a recent essay. He basically said that study of the psyche and its reception of information could be ignored. We no longer need to think of the unconscious, he said. We are unconscious.

When it comes to the info industry, I think he's right.

Then again, information culture has always been gamed in such a fashion, from embedded reporters in Iraq, to CIA operatives working the top newsrooms. In fact, this was going on ages ago. I saw a presentation yesterday which proved that in the 1930s the Nazis were conducting psychological warfare against England by publishing works by top Irish writers who were critical of colonial policies. These were being published by established presses and magazines in New York and Paris.

by Upstate NY on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 06:18:54 PM EST
Jean Baudrillard, Media Critic, Philosopher ... PITA would agree:

From his obit in the London Times:

Baudrillard first attracted worldwide attention in 1991 with his deliberately provocative book The Gulf War Did Not Take Place ...

Nothing was as it appeared in the war, he said, claiming that the public's - and even the military's - perception of the conflict came filtered through images from the media. As a result, the conflict was best seen as a simulation -

From Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy

In the 1980s, Baudrillard posited an "immanent reversal," a flip-flop or reversed direction of meaning and effects, in which things turn into their opposite. Thus, according to Baudrillard, the society of production was passing over to simulation and seduction; the panoptic and repressive power theorized by Foucault was turning into a cynical and seductive power of the media and information society; the liberation championed in the 1960s had become a form of voluntary servitude; sovereignty had passed from the side of the subject to the object; and revolution and emancipation had turned into their opposites, trapping individuals in an order of simulation and virtuality.

We don't Act, anymore.  We consume.  We consume the pre-digested baby food that the moguls and their media spoon feed us.  That baby food could be that brand new electronic nose hair picker to an iPod to a TARP or to a War.  It's all the same because the channel of communication flattens all differences.  It's 15 seconds of Babble-Box stuffing and then onto the next 15 seconds, to the next, and the next, and the next, and the next ...  

It's "noise" in the strict sense of "unintelligible or dissonant sound carrying no information."

By popular request ... Madness takes it's toll. Have exact change ready.

by ATinNM on Sat Nov 14th, 2009 at 07:44:50 PM EST
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Was that noise?
by ormondotvos (ormond lmi net no spam) on Sun Nov 15th, 2009 at 01:40:33 AM EST
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To state the obvious positive conclusion: This means that political counter-propaganda, MSM debunking and generally the sort of stuff the ET excels in, through the web, is NOT a waste of time: the provide a valuable counterweight that serves as some sort of antidote to MSM propaganda in a real way.

That the web has had such an effect is IMHO obvious. Just look at the numbers in the US that opposed the Iraq war even before it started and compare them to some previous US foreign interventions from Vietnam to Panama. The scale of the opposition IMHO would not have been possible in the pre-web era until after many years of violence.

Thus: Au claviers citoyens! :-)

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Nov 15th, 2009 at 04:44:05 AM EST
Great find, good discussion.
Some points occur to me.

No one has really explained the six-month delay, or attempted to deal with the apparent lack of change in opinion or perception at the immediate end of the experiment's time period. Really important, I think. Until this anomaly is dealt with in a better way than just calling it "Letting their guard down", the whole thing has a shaky sort of feel to me.

Second, the McCauhey affair is legion, and not germane. She's just another product, for the same old market.
Throughout my life I have been surrounded with people who edit the available data and adopt the bits that support their prejudices. I've pointed out that major universities have lent themselves and their prestige to the project of massaging reality to produce fig leaves for plunderers and pirates-- take the Chicago school as a fair example. There was ample evidence available to debunk Uncle Milty- but he was a smash hit with those who needed to justify. Different process, a process that exists to offer refuge- comfortable bubbles of self-deception, in which with a gate and a guard, we might live comfortably on swap street...

But there are lots of people in my world who attempt to vet the sources they expose themselves to, who can (and do) disassemble a piece of fallacious rhetoric, a manipulative narrative based on hot air. Is this enough protection? Bruter's work says--no. Read enough crap, and the old brain becomes brown and mushy. But there's still a solution.
When a source seems unbalanced, tendentious, propaganda riddled, at odds with the lessons that the reality of DOING brings --then discard the source. Not an option in this study, --was it?
When an entire media industry becomes opaque as to finances and sources, dubious as to motivation,--dump it. That does it for the tube. (Deeply satisfying sound of crunching display panels in the background).

But what about reading the opposition, the dissenters alien thinkers, those who disagree with you? Is not that a valuable exercise, in fact an obligatory one for any truth seeker?

Nope. If Bruter's right, past a point of understanding the argument and discarding it, they rot the brain. You've gotta exorcise, refuse to feed that nasty little invisible tendency toward group-think that's so tenacious, by reading those heretical bastards,understand them ---and then savagely delete them, and the horses they ride.
So There.
Again, great find, Jerome.

Grabbing what you can, as John Ruskin said, isn't any less wicked when you grab it with the power of your brains than with the power of your fists.

by geezer in Paris (risico at wanadoo(flypoop)fr) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 11:39:52 PM EST
  I think this is a fascinating thread and I wish it brought further comment and comment which brought in other related aspects of the sort under consideration.

  To cite it:

  "His study paints a blunt picture of how cynicism, far from inoculating citizens to resist political persuasion, merely delays the impact."

  For lots of the very same reasons which come into view here, I've tried to argue that it's a mistaken self-delusion to suppose that, as melo put's it here,

 

  "i believe this... [* see below]

tv is a medium, a vessel, what you put into and take out of it is up to you."

 http://www.eurotrib.com/story/2009/11/2/91157/1637#74

 

   in response to a comment of mine where I wrote,

 

 [*]

 " To a great degree, these are all in part related to a high-tech-driven television/internet culture which eschews real extensive reading and thought.  

   Your lament is rooted in that, too.  So I wonder: how would you attack this massive and deeply-rooted problem?  I inveigh against television, for example.  It is simply death to critical thinking.  And the most common objection I get is from very bright people who assure me that they watch television with discriminating taste and judgement and, thus, almost entirely escape its harmful influences.

    They actually believe this."

 

    The real issue is not about the "content" of any given program, or its "subject matter".  The issue, it seems to me, is rather the medium of television itself and how it operates, in my view, on those who routinely watch it---no matter what they watch.  Thus, to oversimplify, there is no such thing as I see it as "safe" or "good" television.  All television viewing does the same things at a basic level and one's supposed tastes, discrimination, keen powers of perception, analysis, questioning, what-have-you, provide no effective bulwark against those malign effects.  

   It's a bit as though someone asserted that his living in the mountains at an altitude of, say, 6500 ft. was no different than if he lived at sea-level---that it would be all the same to him, no change, no differences in any sensations, any physical or mental influences on him from the differing altitude; in other words, his life as a mountain-dweller wouldn't differ in any significant respect from what he would "be" and "do" if he lived at sea-level.

   The only way for one to really recognize how television viewing is altering him, to discover how it effects him, is to completely eliminate it for an extended time and observe the changes--- of sensation, of outlook, etc.    If one claims that television viewing "takes no toll" on him, he should test such a belief by completely eliminating it---removing the set(s) from the house, office or wherever it may be that he usually finds himself watching television for some months.  That would also mean completely avoiding those places where others' are watching.

"In the interest of democracy, repressive actions were taken; In order to preserve democracy, repressive actions were taken"

by proximity1 (proximity1-at-free-dot-fr---end-o'adresss) on Wed Nov 18th, 2009 at 10:15:17 AM EST


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