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by In Wales
Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 10:29:10 AM EST

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people are considering to move into hibernation?

Sometimes I just wish I could isolate myself and snooze inside a pile of duvets for 3 months on end.

Worst is yet to come - arriving in the dark to work and leaving in the dark.

I don't know how the Nordic countries manage this...

by Nomad on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 11:22:46 AM EST
My understanding is that Scandinavians self-medicate liberally.



There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 11:31:06 AM EST
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I'm not sure, but I think this is the exported stuff for wimps. I don't remember the bottle or etiquette looking like this - but I'm not a vodka fancier - except to know never ever to drink Absolut when it is not at near absolute zero.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 11:48:54 AM EST
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If it's any consolation at all, many of my small circle of friends or associates seem to be undergoing sometimes wicked depression at the moment.

As if Germany's no. 1 goalkeeper throwing himself in front of a train wasn't some symbol of the times.

i'm convinced that constant association with news of the hijacking of our systems, coupled with our relative impotence to do anything about the insanity, affects us all in ways so subtle we don't notice it, especially as it's been so bad since Bush and before the Iraq war.

One reason i constantly try to upload music and film stuff, and comment about sports or something seemingly "surface," is to try and negate this epidemic of depression, mild or otherwise.

Call me crazy, but i find the concept of hibernation "cuddly."  Worth aspiring to. Then i remember (sometimes) how amazing life can be when lived fully.  Hang in there Nomad.



Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 12:23:43 PM EST
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I was thinking just an hour or two ago: not depressing, but disheartening, dispiriting.

To see how the wealth capture bandits took the economy to the brink, got saved by tomorrow's taxes payable by anyone but them, and are already out there serving up the same bunch of lies economic theory as before to justify continuing with the same madness (for anyone but them). To see their servile pundits still scribbling away on their knees while the media turn up the volume on what's good for them. While Sigmar Gabriel tells us German social-democracy is making a fresh start, and Ségolène Royal and the French socialists go on with their music-hall show, and New Labour, ah, New Labour...

You know, the bandits and their flunkeys are getting big psychic-buzz ego-validation from a get-so-much-richer system. Like cocaine. High and invincible. While we struggle to find the energy to get a word in edgeways.

(this said, wtf, don't let's give up... ;))

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 12:53:08 PM EST
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I used to take on the free market junkies (that are a dime a dozen, it seems, in the US mainland) I met online, but I don't bother anymore.  They utter the most incredible garbage and then clam up like a ...[can't say it] when challenged.  Then they just don't listen, but repeat the mantra....  Depressing.

Solution?  Go into the yard with a pick-axe and start planting fruit trees (talk about putting frustration to good use!).  At this rate, pretty soon I'm going to have a commercial size orchard in my back yard.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 03:17:36 PM EST
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You watch the TV series "Deadwood" which is excellently supported by it's own website, with complete plot synopses. It's about the establishment of a 10k population wild city after a huge gold strike in Indian territory (no law) and it's growth to annexation, with the conflicts between human greed animals getting there.

Highly recommended, searing honesty, and yes, they actually talked like that. Get the series DVDs, and watch the Director's explanation.

Amazing evolutionary sociology.

http://www.hbo.com/deadwood/

by ormondotvos (ormond lmi net no spam) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 09:33:29 PM EST
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its, not it's

brain fart

by ormondotvos (ormond lmi net no spam) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 09:34:19 PM EST
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Is this cuddly enough?

Schlusslicht: Brauner Riese im Dauerrausch | tagesschau.deBrown giants on a bender
Wodka, Whisky, Wein? Die slowakischen Braunbären teilen die menschliche Vorliebe für Hochprozentiges. Jedes Jahr im Herbst machen die Zotteltiere in benebeltem Zustand Wälder und Dörfer unsicher. Dort futtern sie tonnenweise vergorenes Fallobst. Kein Wunder, dass es sogar den pelzigen Riesen schummerig wird.Vodka, whisky, wine? Slovakian brown bears share the human predilection for spirits. Every fall, these hairy critters terrorize forests and villages in their inebriated condition, feasting on tons of fermenting windfall fruit. It's no wonder that even furry giants feel the effects.
Er hat ein braunes Zottelfell, wird bis zu drei Meter groß und ist ein echtes Schleckermaul: Was dem Menschen seine Schnapspraline, das ist dem europäischen Braunbär Ursus arctos ein Haufen Fallobst, je vergorener desto besser. Äpfel oder Birnen in fragwürdigem Zustand - in den slowakischen Bergdörfern liegen sie im Herbst haufenweise auf den Feldern herum. He has a shaggy brown pelt, can grow up to three meters in size and will go out of his way to get the goodies: while humans go for liqueur-filled bonbons, the European brown bear Ursus arctus prefers a pile of windfall fruit - the more fermented the better. Apples and pears in questionable condition may be found lying richly in the fields of Slovakia's mountain villages.
"Natürlich ist ein Bär dann nicht so betrunken wie ein Mensch, der aus der Kneipe kommt, nach einem halben Liter Schnaps", sagt Miroslav Saniga vom Institut für Waldökologie. "Der Bär torkelt dann nicht durch die Gegend. Aber er ist sehr verspielt. Er legt sich auf den Boden, wälzt sich herum, und vor allem hat er überhaupt keine Lust, bergauf zu gehen. Wie ein betrunkener Mensch, der die Treppe nicht mehr rauf kommt.""Naturally, the bears aren't as drunk as a person coming out of the bar after downing a half liter of spirits," says Miroslav Saniga from the Institute for Forest Ecology. "The bears don't stagger around. They're very playful. They lie on the ground and roll around, and above all they just don't feel like going back up the mountain. Like a drunk person who can't make it up the stairs."


There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 01:07:11 PM EST
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Don't go near them the next day, they're like a...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 02:19:31 PM EST
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Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 02:30:57 PM EST
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i found your comment very moving, CH.

having briefly stepped away from euro-consciousness, all tv, and almost all blogging here in costa rica, and looking back at my euro-self from here, i get the same flash i got last time i was here: that w take life way too seriously in europe, and have mostly forgotten how to relax naturally.

then of course there is the SAD, as the days shorten, and we head for the solstice, zenith of darkness, the most trying of seasons spiritually, so much so that we had to invent a festival of light to cheer our (s)elves up, ho ho ho...

problem is when you can't even show up for that because the gap between the forced cheer and the depressing reality becomes more irritating than the depressing reality itself...

xmas is the bottleneck, once that's over it starts to brighten considerably, though january is still grim city, and if february were one day longer suicides would increase...

by march the first of several dozen false springs start to appear, sending hopes zooming and crashing as one's energies and immune system are reeling and staggering, after defending one from all the smorgasbord of nasty viruses that run riot during the dark months.

by april spring really does start to deliver the goods...

meanwhile, charging up the batteries with some more tropical light is definitely in order, together with some deep pacific therapy for body and soul.

cuz hitting the appenines again in mid january is going to be... well, interesting...


Eventually physical reality trumps narrative. It can just take a long time. Derrick Jensen

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 03:26:35 PM EST
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You know what Rabindranath Tagore said...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 12:59:58 PM EST
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Came across this: Pollution in China.

Haunting and disturbing, and yet magnificently portrayed. Beautiful destruction. Just a sampling:

Interview with Lu Huang here.


NetEase: The places you shot at where you think the pollution was very serious, how did the villagers see the pollution in their lives? Did they feel the pollution was very serious and threatening their lives or (that the polluting industries) driving the local economic development was more important?

Lu Guang: In fact, there is no economic development for them, it only brought them destructions. Back then they had fertile fields. There were many water conservancy facilities built in the 70's, all were every good, used to irrigate the fields. But now, pollution came and the water could not be used to irrigate the fields anymore. After a long time, now all the water conservancy facilities are wastes. The polluted water has led to contamination of the underground water. All their drinking water is underground water, water in the wells or from the water tower. Water from water tower flows straight to their homes, unlike us, the tap water we drink is already processed. Drinking this kind of water for long time, many people got very ill. I interviewed a village 3-5 kilo-meters away from Hong River village and asked them if there were people with cancer there. They said yes, but only 1-2 in couple years, and very few. However (in Hong River Village), they have a dozen in each year. The difference is obvious from the same district.

by Nomad on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 11:32:13 AM EST
China's dark, satanic mills?  Seems like environmental impacts are "externalities" in China also.  In these cases they are externalized all over the people shown. Just part of the "competitive advantage" China enjoys vis-à-vis "The West." And this makes sense to their elites and to ours. The long run won't be very long for many of these folks.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 01:58:33 PM EST
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Amazing photos Nomad.  Sad, but makes one very angry.  At least me angry.

about a decade ago, i wrote a screed masquerading as a "real time novel" called Drydock.  At one point, in the middle of my time as a shipyard carpenter sometimes working the poisonous holds of oil tankers

How You Get Oil

i wrote about a writer friend of mine, Mark Hertsgaard, who'd written a book about global environmental devastation called Earth Odyssey. Here's the clip, showing i was indeed pretty fuckin angry...


    This film is writing itself, and eye can't help but smile the smile of every live writer in history, every writer alive in truly living, from the gut.  Standing on the foredeck of the Eureka, i imagine some twenty years younger Hollyweird exec telling me my script doesn't capture a working class environment strongly enough, and me busting his jaw, in super stop motion, one crack at a time.  Rumi and the Dalai Lama are sitting on the cap rail, legs dangling over the Bay, pointing at me, and laughing, no, splitting their sides at how much i've forgotten, how far i've fallen.  Like busting the jaw of any film exec would ever get a film made, not to mention i'll be reincarnated as a mercury-poisoned carp, but i've been listening to too many motherfuckers day after day on this boat to care about whether i'm remembering the path to full illumination, or whether i've gone to full looney nation, like the rest of this insane reincarnation of the death of the Roman Empire.
    ---
    Find myself praying for a market crash.  Know it's going to be painful, that people will be hurting, but also knowing that people are already hurting, that civilization hurts, that we're stretching the life support capacity of the skin of the planet, in ways that are so immediate it's not visible to the dot.com hordes smothering that brilliant city in the distance.  We're going under, Readers, me just in the advance, and you do nothing to make it right.  How is it you don't understand?
    Why don't you listen to the heroes amongst you?
.....
    Mark Hertsgaard, a hero risking torture in some primitive Chinese prison, for wandering into a industrial zone of such high pollution he might be doing permanent damage to his system, just so he can bring you the story of another act of surfacide to the skin of our Mother.  Earth Odyssey, his publishers call the book, as if putting your life on the line in the name of environmental truth is some travelogue with a message.  Sneaking into an industrial washout leaking torrents of permanent poison into the river is no travelogue.  Why aren't you listening?  "Within seconds we saw ahead of us a broad stream of bubbling water cascading down the hillside.  The astringent odor of chlorine soon attacked our nostrils, and once we reached the streams edge the smell was so powerful we immediately had to back away.  Downstream, where the factory's discharge was emptying into the Jialing, a frothy white plume was spreading across the slow-moving river."  He risked his life to tell you that, and you're blindly believing that the NASDAQ hasn't finished it's monumental mesmerization of all of you.  Here's a writer spanning the globe to document the horror inflicted on the source of all of our lives, at great personal peril, and you can't stop buying tickets for Schwarzenegger movies about the perils of absolutely nothing.

    Want some logic?  "By 1997, the world's forests were, for the first time, losing more carbon than they were absorbing."
    Really got you where it hurts, right, or must we wait for the Bubble to Burst?

    Hertsgaard traveled to war zones in Africa, documenting the human devastation of drought, pestilence and war, much of it with roots in environmental destruction, again, with his life on the line.  He tracked poisons in Eastern Europe, and the devastation of the Danube.  He went to the far reaches of distant america, to the Hanford nuclear reservation, where radioactive particles, like the Indians before them, are isolated in desolate ignorance from reminding you that they're still alive, and will be for hundreds of generations, if you don't make life uninhabitable for any of us by then.  He documented that in China, where the coal that's twice as destructive as the other fossils is burnt unchecked, in vast quantities, 1.9 million people a year die from the effluent.  In case you're wondering, that's a statistic from those radical environmental activists, the World Bank.

    Are you beginning to catch my drift?




Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 01:59:46 PM EST
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Really amazing photos.  I keep thinking something's gotta give in China on this, but nothing ever seems to happen.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 02:13:45 PM EST
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http://www.eurotrib.com/comments/2009/10/20/91545/657/65#65

ET - you even read it before reading it on ET.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 02:29:59 PM EST
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Actually, MillMan beat you by 14 hours.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 02:45:42 PM EST
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ET - you read it there before you even read it on ET! :)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 03:34:04 PM EST
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Don't worry - it just took that long to percolate through your mind as unconscious propaganda.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 04:06:53 PM EST
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Which we had carefully planned years ago.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 04:42:35 PM EST
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don't mess with my gunslingin' relink skills.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 10:46:16 PM EST
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Though I couldn't even remember your post - which probably means I didn't click it. And your post has zero ratings. :)

Probably only proves that visual presentation is a very powerful tool to get attention.

by Nomad on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 05:55:26 PM EST
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no need to wonder what hell is like, or even to think it awaits beyond the grave... these folk are inhabiting it right now.

and that's what it looks like, and almost all of us are complicit and responsible, a chilling fact to take on board.

i believe these crises such as global warming/climate change can have only one good reason for existing: that we learn that we're one family and need to pull together and work out our differences humbly.

because any thinking feeling person can see this will not stand. we moved on from it and now china is where we were before the ecology movement existed.

perhaps there is a chinese dickens or two describing it.

Eventually physical reality trumps narrative. It can just take a long time. Derrick Jensen

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 03:32:46 PM EST
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Have you seen this?

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 07:04:30 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | England | Sussex | Two kite surfers jump over pier

Two kite surfers from West Sussex took advantage of strong winds on the south coast to realise an ambition to jump over Worthing pier.

Jake Scrace, 25, and Lewis Crathern, 24, had been planning Monday morning's jump for three years but had to wait for perfect weather conditions.

Carpenter Mr Scrace, who makes kite boards, and professional kite surfer Mr Crathern are both from Worthing.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 01:19:40 PM EST
but I cannot help but wonder what is next for these two?

Mr Crathern said the jump was "epic".

"It was everything I've lived for - amazing," he said.

Bigger, wider piers?

by Magnifico on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 01:25:20 PM EST
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I suppose it will become an addiction much like the Spiderman and his taste for tall buildings.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 01:41:47 PM EST
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maybe once was enough?

they proved how special they were for 15 seconds, the afterglow might last them all their days!

Eventually physical reality trumps narrative. It can just take a long time. Derrick Jensen

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 03:34:47 PM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 01:39:50 PM EST
GEORGETOWN, Guyan (Reuters) -- Two international development banks are to finance a $500 million hydro electricity projects in Guyana, aimed at bringing down energy costs in the poor South American nation.

President Bharrat Jagdeo told reporters on Friday the Inter-American Development Bank and the China Development Bank had agreed to back the Amaila Falls project at a recent meeting in Washington.



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Mon Nov 16th, 2009 at 03:28:18 PM EST


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