European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 26 November

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When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:49:59 PM EST
BBC News - EU aims to boost tyre performance with new labels

The EU is to introduce a new tyre labelling system in three years' time to encourage fuel efficiency, safety and noise reduction.

The new regulation was adopted by the European Parliament on Wednesday, following agreement with the EU members' governments.

Tyre firms will have to display tyre performance data in advertisements.

The use of better tyres might produce the same CO2 emissions cut as taking 1.3 million cars off EU roads.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:13:28 PM EST
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of course, after living in Europe, one realizes that tire noize is most exascterbated by Pflasterstein, those damned, BELOVED, cobblestones.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 04:21:01 PM EST
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EUobserver / EU parliament takes first shot at hedge fund regulation

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - A new report on hedge fund and private equity regulation, published by an influential MEP on Wednesday (25 November), highlights the diverging views held by European parliamentarians and the Swedish EU presidency on the matter.

The report by the French centre-right MEP Jean-Paul Gauzes says fund managers should be forced to agree on pre-determined levels of borrowing before making investments, a significantly tougher position than that currently adopted by the Swedes on behalf of member states.

In an explanatory memorandum attached to Mr Gauzes's report, the MEP says fund managers should "define [leverage] limits in advance for every fund they manage".

"To fix these limits, they must define the guiding principles," wrote the MEP charged with steering draft legislation on the topic through the parliament. "The managers are obliged to inform the national supervisors about the limits they chose."

However, Sweden's current compromise would let industry watchdogs alone decide whether or not to limit individual hedge fund borrowing, a move seen as less restrictive.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:15:22 PM EST
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Based upon existing data, one would assume that Somali Pirates would have a better shot at regulating The Funds of the Hedges.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 04:22:30 PM EST
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EUobserver / New EU president plans first official trip

Correction: EUobserver was initially informed that Mr Van Rompuy's first trip as president-elect would be to Latvia and Finland. But it later learned that the first engagement will in fact be in Denmark.

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The newly-appointed president of the European Council, Herman Van Rompuy, will mark his first semi-official engagement in the role when he visits Denmark next week.

The trip, to Copenhagen, on 30 November was originally planned for Mr Van Rompuy in his capacity as Belgian prime minister as part of a grand tour of 26 EU capitals in preparation for Belgium taking up the rotating EU presidency in mid-2010.

But following his appointment to the EU post last week, Mr Van Rompuy is to step down as Belgian leader on Wednesday (25 November), handing back the baton to former Belgian prime minister Yves Leterme.

Mr Van Rompuy will not formally begin work as EU president until 1 January. But his staff told EUobserver that he plans to go to Copenhagen anyway in his interim capacity as EU "president-elect."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:16:40 PM EST
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EurActiv.com - EU unemployment levels to top 10% in 2010, says report | EU - European Information on Social Europe
EU unemployment levels will continue to rise and are expected to breach the 10% mark in 2010, while young people are the worst affected by mass joblessness, a report by the European Commission has found.

The 2009 'Employment in Europe' reportexternal  - released by the Commission earlier this week - paints a gloomy picture, with best-case projections predicting the loss of more than seven million jobs over 2009-10, and EU unemployment levels exceeding 10% sometime next year.

The gains made in EU employment growth earlier this decade have largely been reversed by the current economic crisis, meaning that the employment targets set by the EU's Lisbon Strategy for growth and jobs will not be met.

The Baltic countries, Ireland and Spain are the EU member states hardest hit, with unemployment rates doubling or worse since the crisis began.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:31:34 PM EST
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EU telecoms reforms enter force in December - Telecommunication : europa, europe | euronews

Broad new telecommunications rules for the European Union have finally been fully approved, carrying various customer benefits. When a customer chooses to change service providers, the company will be required to transfer the same mobile phone number to the company that has landed the customer, within one working day. And the automatic downloading of personalised information to a user's computer when he visits a Web site will need the customer's consent.

Viviane Reding, the EU's information society Commissioner talked about further assurances as well: "When data are lost -- personal data -- the person should be informed immediately. Internet access could not be cut off without first going through a judge, and so on. So, we see that consumers' rights are central to this new legislation."

A European Parliament vote confirmed the reforms will enter force next month and have to be transposed into all EU countries' national laws by mid-2011.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:34:15 PM EST
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EU gaining appreciation in Washington - EU Presidency : europa, europe | euronews

For an outside look at Europe moving forward, euronews sought out an American expert in international relations who specialises in the EU: Dr. Kathleen McNamara, an associate professor at Georgetown University.

...

euronews: "Why should anyone in Washington care about the Herman Van Rompuy and Catherine Ashton nominations?"

McNamara: "I think the general public is sort of befuddled by the EU. I think the pundits and the media inside the US are often frustrated that it doesn't act like a nation state. I think more interestingly, the Obama administration is starting to get excited about what the Lisbon Treaty might portend for Europe."

euronews: "About President Obama... he enjoys a high international approval rating... Van Rompuy's charisma level, how will that go over in the US?"

McNamara: "Well there were some that really did want to see a very charismatic figure, like say a Tony Blair. The New York Times today has written an extremely critical article about this whole process, saying that if, in fact, the Europeans wanted to have a higher profile, they did the opposite by picking the Belgian prime minister. But I think that's a very short sighted view. I actually think that in the long run a conciliatory person who is able to bring about consensus among widely disparate views is actually a good choice for the EU. And I think in the long run, people inside the Obama administration understand that these are complex issues that they face within the EU -- projecting power on the part of these 27 governments is a very complex thing.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:38:48 PM EST
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BBC News - Inquiry told Iraq could not 'use' chemical weapons

The UK received intelligence days before invading Iraq that Saddam Hussein may not have been able use chemical weapons, an adviser has said.

Foreign Office official Sir William Ehrman told the war inquiry that a report suggested that such weapons may have been "disassembled".

A separate report suggested Iraq might also "lack" warheads capable of spreading chemical agents, he added.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:02:27 PM EST
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Seems like some people have decided the game is up. Yesterday's testimony was pretty damning. That said, it oculd all be buried in pettifogging detail and grandstanding by prominent participants. Scarlett, Blair, Straw & campbell should all have to face the gulf between the facts as they knew them and the lies they told. I expect them to tough it out but it might be fun wathicng it happen.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:33:50 AM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:50:37 PM EST
U.S. consumer spending rises, jobless claims tumble | U.S. | Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. consumer spending and housing sales rose more than expected in October while new claims for jobless benefits fell sharply last week, suggesting the economic recovery was gaining traction.

An unexpected decline in orders for long-lasting U.S. manufactured goods, however, tempered some of the optimism and was a reminder that recovery from the most brutal recession in 70 years would be gradual.

The Commerce Department on Wednesday reported that consumer spending, which normally accounts for over two-thirds of U.S. economic activity, increased 0.7 percent last month after falling 0.6 percent in September. That was above market expectations for a gain of 0.5 percent.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:55:27 PM EST
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China banks' rush for billions could trip markets | U.S. | Reuters

SHANGHAI/HONG KONG (Reuters) - Chinese banks, under government pressure to shore up their finances, are set to unleash a wave of billions of dollars in capital raising that could strain equity markets but also spur innovation in debt instruments.

The banks could go to the market with a slew of new stock and bond offers as they look to raise as much as 300 billion yuan ($44 billion) over the next few years, according to some estimates.

The move would follow a surge in bank lending in the first half of this year, encouraged by the central government under its broader 4 trillion yuan economic stimulus plan. But now the regulator, worried about a lending bubble, is cautioning banks to ensure their capital is adequate.

Three of the country's top four listed banks, Bank of China Ltd (601988.SS) (3988.HK), China Construction Bank (601939.SS) (0939.HK) and Bank of Communications (601328.SS) (3328.HK) have already started work on fundraising proposals, a source told Reuters on Monday.

"There's no doubt there will be a massive wave of fund raising from Chinese banks, but the key question is when, where and how," said Fan Kunxiang, analyst at Haitong Securities Co. "If banks all rush to sell shares within a short period, it would unavoidably be a blow to the stock market."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:00:36 PM EST
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From the article it seems that all but the big "dual listed" banks will be raising capital inside China. The non-convertibility of the Yuan would seem to be an issue here.  I saw nothing about such issues in the article.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 09:42:57 PM EST
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Who now can hear the words "spur innovation in debt instruments" and not tremble

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:37:23 AM EST
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I tremble at under government pressure to shore up their finances.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:45:59 AM EST
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It's Time to Buy Commercial Property, Edinburgh Strategists Say - Bloomberg.com

Nov. 25 (Bloomberg) -- First it was corporate bonds, then stocks. Now it's time to buy commercial real estate in the U.K., according to strategists in Edinburgh advising on about 400 billion pounds ($663 billion) of assets.

Standard Life Investments is telling investors to consider increasing the proportion of money they hold in stores, office buildings and warehouses, said Andrew Milligan, head of global strategy. Today, the commercial property market compares with where stocks were about seven months ago, said Mike Turner at Aberdeen Asset Management Plc.

"It's the last major asset class where there is still a higher risk premium than warranted, so we've been looking at it," Turner said in an interview at his office in the Scottish capital. "April is a good expression of the stage we're at, just off the lows and starting to gain some traction."

After gains this year in stocks and corporate bonds, Scotland's biggest fund management firms are honing in on where they reckon money can be made next.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:05:41 PM EST
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Yes, it is the perfect time for the average investor to go into Commercial Real Estate. Lets see. There are numerous large CRE loans that are coming up for re-financing just when occupancy are in the tank big time and seems to be going deeper. Perhaps these guys should be required to wear large, flashing neon signs saying "Sell Side Analyst. Buyer Beware!"

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 09:50:55 PM EST
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Thanks, I did imagine it was unlikely, but you nailed it.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:38:49 AM EST
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Company Profits in U.S. Stage `Lopsided' Gain on Banking Surge - Bloomberg.com

In the first three quarters of 2009, profits at financial institutions soared 198 percent, the biggest nine-month gain since records began in 1948. Earnings were down 65 percent in the nine months ended in December 2008, the biggest such decrease on record.

"The financials were a basket case," said Naroff. "The companies are coming off such a low basis that it's easy to get a big increase."

The Standard & Poor's Financial Supercomposite Index has climbed 123 percent since March 9, compared with a 63 percent gain in the S&P 500 Index. The S&P 500 fell to a 12-year low on March 9.

The jump in profits is probably not evenly distributed among banks, said Naroff, making it less likely that the money will find its way back into the economy in the form of loans.

"Unfortunately, not every company is a Goldman," Naroff said. "Not everyone is going to make tons of money." The banking system's ability to boost lending and spur business investment "will look more like a slow stream than a river."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:07:07 PM EST
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"Unfortunately, not every company is a Goldman," Naroff said. "Not everyone is going to make tons of money." The banking system's ability to boost lending and spur business investment "will look more like a slow stream than a river."

Unfortunately??!!! Well, perhaps we know what is the situation with some of the TBTFs. Why lend your money in a dicey economy when the Fed will pay a TBTF, but only a TBTF, generously to sit on it.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 10:21:57 PM EST
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Press Association

Car giant General Motors has firmed up plans to cut 9,000 jobs across Europe, saying that up to 60% will be in Germany.

Nick Reilly, a senior official of the US car maker, met employee representatives at a meeting in Germany to go through the firm's detailed plans for the future.

Mr Reilly said that "difficult decisions" will have to be made and repeated that jobs will have to be lost.

Production in Europe will be cut by about 20% and around 9,000 jobs will be lost, with between 50 and 60% in Germany, he said.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:08:41 PM EST
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Al Jazeera English - Europe - GM vows to keep German Opel plants

A senior executive from General Motors, the car manufacturer, has promised some 25,000 workers at Opel's German operation that none of the factories will shut.

But he said the company's plan will still see the total workforce being reduced by around 9,000 people, leaving the threat of closure hanging over other
facilities in Britain, Spain, Belgium and Poland.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:06:48 PM EST
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BBC News - Banks win Supreme Court case on overdraft charges

Millions of bank customers hoping to be refunded overdraft charges have been dealt a major blow by a Supreme Court judgement.

The court has overturned earlier court rulings that allowed the Office of Fair Trading to investigate the fairness of charges for unauthorised overdrafts.

At stake in the case, which has run for over two years, is an estimated £2.6bn of annual income for the banks.

Campaigners said they were shocked and disappointed with the decision.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:15:40 PM EST
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Supreme Court !! They should rename it the Elite's Court, then we'd really know what it's about.

A bunch of rich privileged people ruled to protect the interests of a bunch of rich privileged people. I am amazed people are even surprised that happens.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:41:42 AM EST
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So your Supreme Court is about as worthless as our Supreme Court.  Lovely.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 07:40:04 AM EST
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BBC - Newsnight: Paul Mason: Banks: The world is weary of the past, but boy, was it exciting!

The historian is concerned with finished facts, a journalist has to be concerned not just with real-time information but with the near future. So all these secrets are getting a bit distracting.

Just over a year ago I, like many others, was obsessed with the question: what is the government about to do about the banking crisis?

The revelation yesterday of what they actually did - unleash a £61.7bn secret loan to HBOS and RBS - is a reminder that even for journalists, what happened in the past may be the most important question.

Because Mervyn King and Alistair Darling's revelations, delivered in the anodyne and obscure language the British state uses when it wants to drop an embarrassed bombshell, raise more questions.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:12:00 PM EST
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Gold Is Rallying Because....  Jesse's Café Américain

Gold is the ultimate currency.

It resists the attempts by the monetary authorities to debase it, because except for concerted attempts to suppress its price through non-profitseeking selling at key market points by central banks, and naked short selling by the global commercial banks in the paper markets, gold cannot be created and controlled by financial engineers like Ben Bernanke.

It provides a refuge, a store of wealth for private citizens during a period of general currency risk.

....

Alan Greenspan himself states the case most eloquently in his famous essay from 1966 Gold and Economic Freedom.  [And here we will go to that link and quote more extensively than did Jesse:]

Gold and Economic Freedom
by Alan Greenspan
[written in 1966]

    This article originally appeared in a newsletter: The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand's Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal

An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions. They seem to sense - perhaps more clearly and subtly than many consistent defenders of laissez-faire - that gold and economic freedom are inseparable, that the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and that each implies and requires the other.


Thanks to Greenspan's decades long efforts at the Fed Ayn Rand's "Unknown Ideal" capitalism came to be all too real. But would not the Chairman of the Board of the Federal Reserve System of the USA normally be considered "a statist"? Yet Greenspan never disavowed his belief in the desirability of the gold standard. I have seen critics contend that he deliberately drove the US financial system into the ground to drive home the need for a gold standard. But I suspect that his actions were just intended to facilitate further  the self-aggrandizement of the Masters of the Universe, who Greenspan saw as embodiments of the Randian Ideal, and that this argument is just another lame attempt to devise "a superior moral justification for greed." Indeed, what else is the entire body of Ayn Rand's writings? Superlatively lame.

Ayn Rand's "philosophy" is a map which, when followed, seems to have blown up the world's largest economy. Who could have imagined that putting in charge of that economy a man who did not believe in the morality or appropriateness of the fundamental structure of that economy or in performing many of his legislatively mandated regulatory functions could end so badly? More than a few, it seems.

I do not know if gold is the ultimate currency, but it does seem, just now, to be a store of value superior to the US Dollar, and it seems likely to retain that superiority for a while before it too falls back to, or at least towards earth.


If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 11:33:52 PM EST
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Gold is only as useful as its pricing structure. Like oil, that price is useless if it is denominated in a reserve currency that's falling through the floor.

It is not like international standards of measurement or temperature that are constants defined by the universe, gold is just another barometric phenomenon, flawed as any other.

It might be a useful device to sya there cannot be any more money in an economy than the quantity of gold priced in local currency. That might stop Wall St valuing itself in several multiples of the net worth of the planet, but I'm sure the manic idiots would find some way to finagle their way around it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:48:14 AM EST
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Helen:
It might be a useful device to sya there cannot be any more money in an economy than the quantity of gold priced in local currency.
And then gold prices will go up...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:00:03 AM EST
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YEs, but you might imagine things balance out. I'm obviously not any form of expert, but by and large wealth can be re-distributed but cannot be created or destroyed. So the sum total of gold reflects the sum total of net worth. How you slice and dice that total is your own affair.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:32:12 AM EST
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but by and large wealth can be re-distributed but cannot be created or destroyed.

What are you talking about?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:48:53 AM EST
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Making new stuff doesn't increase wealth, and bombing doesn't destroy it. Well known fact.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:55:38 AM EST
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No !! Making new stuff doesn't increase wealth. It simply re-distributes wealth from the purchasor of the old stuff to the creator of the new. The old stuff they had loses value. Every time a new invention occurs, or behaviour changes, there is economically significant displacement activity.

Making a new film doesn't spontaneously create wealth, it just gets moved from consumer to producer. Same with inventions, same even with mining raw materials.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 07:50:27 AM EST
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I think you just mixed up "economy" with "energy".

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:40:08 AM EST
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Even then, since the Earth is an open system it is not true that the energy available to the economy cannot grow.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:51:45 AM EST
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I meant as in "by and large wealth energy can be re-distributed but cannot be created or destroyed".

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:05:31 AM EST
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In a closed system.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:07:52 AM EST
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The universe is a closed system, at least last time I checked. ;)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:15:14 AM EST
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Is it?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:16:11 AM EST
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  1. we live on Earth and will for the foreseeable future - that is finite, but an open system
  2. the universe may not be finite - in fact, the most recent consensus is that it isn't, in which case again the space within out cosmological horizon may be bounded but the cosmological horizon would be the boundary of an open system


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:18:28 AM EST
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Making new stuff doesn't increase wealth.

Right, because an illuminated manuscript isn't worth more than a roll of parchment and a bottle of ink.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:45:50 AM EST
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What do you mean when you say "wealth"?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:47:27 AM EST
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Next you'll be tellng me that financial services create actual wealth instead of capturing actual wealth and filling their balance sheet using virutual wealth.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 07:52:56 AM EST
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Some financial services do create wealth...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:40:51 AM EST
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For whom?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:43:10 AM EST
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The stakeholders. Example:

People live in a community close to an iron orebody. Exploiting it will cost 100 million euros. No one in the community has that kind of money. The wealthiest man in the comunnity has 2 million euros, and he can scrape together a total 15 million from interested risk-takers.

Thankfully, people in the community deposit their savings in the bank, and the friendly banker is interested in being the intermediate between the public and the new mining business. So he takes their savings, lends them to the new company, which builds a mine. The banker gets net interest, the public jobs and interest on their accounts, and the investor get profits.

None of this new wealth had been possible without the finacial services provided by the friendly banker.  

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:59:17 AM EST
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I thought mining raw materials doesn't increase wealth.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:01:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, because iron ore is so hugely useful when buried underground.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:03:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Precisely.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:05:01 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah, but if you leave it there you can use it to not increase wealth in the future.

Oh, wait ...

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:05:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Meanwhile, in the real world - the bankers come in, strip mine the wealth, and it gets sucked into an offshore account in the Cayman Islands, where it's turned into drugs.

The community doesn't see a penny - although they may be left with an interesting eyesore and mass unemployment when the mining is 'no longer economic.'

Where is this paradise where 'friendly bankers' interact with 'a community'?

It may happen in isolated instances, but it's hardly the norm, is it?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:07:47 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The norm, as usual, is somewhere between the two extremes.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:11:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, suppose there's no banker and instead Chris Cook convinces the firm that will build the mine to contribute 85 million worth of work "in kind" which, together with the 15 million the community will raise, allows the mine to be built. The future revenue from the mine is divided proportionally to this initial contribution of "capital". Eventually, assuming the development was well advised, well over 100 million worth of revenue will accrue to the project.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:11:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Then Cris will essentially be the banker...

Or uh, where would these 85 million come from, if the company only has 15?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:21:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The 85 million are contributed in kind.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:23:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So the construction company essentially works for free (well, they get 15 million in cash) and in return they get 85 % of the shares in the company?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:28:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Or what? I don't understand this.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:00:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Basically.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:03:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
So, uh, why would a construction company want to own 85 % of a mine? If they were interested in that, they'd be a mining company instead. Taking the extra risk seems strange too, why do they want to do that? Iron prices might fall, miner strikes might happen, lots of stuff can reduce (or increase) the profits of the mine. If I ran a construction company I'd want prompt cash payment, and if I were interested in the iron mine I'd buy shares in it.

And why would the initial investors want to cede control of their company to the construction company?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:24:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
That's why you need bankers...

But suppose that the construction company doesn't have any other business opportunities because there's a depression. Here you have: an idle construction company, idle prospective miners, a community with an idle iron ore, and investors with 15% of the cash necessary to mobilize all these resources.

Money is very useful, and fiat money more so, in greasing economic activity. But in situations where resources are idle because of lack of money you have to monetize the resources internally to a partnership in order to make things happen. If the construction company wants to become a partner, the project happens. If they don't, it doesn't. If they don't have other projects available, they lie idle, too.

As Minsky put it, anyone can create money, the problem is to have it accepted as such. Partnership arrangements are ways to turn assets into money acceptable to the partners. If you bring enough of the community into the partnership you may even be able to feed everyone. Otherwise they can all line up at the employment office and the soup kitchen.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:25:00 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Reminds me of a Swede who started his won currency twentysomething years ago. He was bee-keeper, so each bill was backed by a can of honey. Kinda cute.
   

The purpose of Kjell Holmstrands Klöver [Clover, the name of his currency] is that the money should stay in the local area. He means the capital should stay in Orsa [where he lives] and not end up somewhere else. That's why he also opposes the Euro.

- We shall keep our money in our own country, he says. The Euro means we'll have to send even more money to the bureaucrats in Frankfurt/Brussels. Then we'll have to stand there with the cap in our hand and bow and beg, so the merciful gentlemen will give us back some of our own money.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:38:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I haven't worked out where they get the money to pay their staff or suppliers though. Maybe builders don't eat until the mine produces?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:07:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you hire people from the "community" to do these jobs they may accept "community mining scrip" as part of their payment. If you bring the staff and supplies from far away, they'll want their hard cash so they can bugger off.

We're talking about depression economics here: the problem of mobilizing sufficient, willing local resources when there isn't enough money locally and no access to credit from the broader economy.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:40:59 AM EST
[ Parent ]
We're talking about depression economics here
Are we? Since when? I am talking about the utility of financial services not only during depressions, and I think Chris Cook believes his system is designed to operate during all parts of the business cycle.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:46:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Or we could talk about hypotheticals.

Does anyone have any hard evidence about the actual number of community-profit projects, as opposed to the usual rape-and-pillage finance?

I can think of one - and the bank involved is very unusual, with a rare record of community interest.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:26:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You're talking about a hypothetical: a world in which everything is always worst case.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:27:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Where? I said there were isolated counter-examples.

If you want to prove there are more than isolated counter-examples, show me evidence of systemic banking generosity and community engagement.

It's a bit of a bonkers argument to be making at a time when communities and individuals are struggling but the banks aren't lending - and the banks and the FT are saying so.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:09:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bankers do not have to be generous to supply useful financial services, just like bakers and butchers don't have to be generous to supply meat and bread. They just need to do their jobs, aiming for long term profitability.

Adam Smith said it better: "It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest."

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:50:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In Adam Smith's world you didn't have long-term enterprises requiring investments of the order of 10% GDP as in your example.

Big industry requires big finance and big finance changes the economic game away from Smith's marketplace of petty merchants, tradesmen and farmers.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:53:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, increase the GDP by a magnitude or two, or three, or four. Financing might be found in the entire country, but that is kind of beside the point here. Then the issue of solidity level becomes one of balance sheet optimisation rather than capital (or rather, risk) availability.

Smiths principle is still valid though, but I fear this simple thought experiment by now has been wrung dry of its use. :)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:02:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Starvid:
Smiths principle is still valid though
Not everyone agrees with you, though. For instance, Hyman Minsky claims
[the general equilibrium theory of Neoclassical Economics] means that, for those subsystems of the economy where conditions are apt, the market can be relied upon, particularly if the market is not relied upon for
  1. the overall stability of the economy
  2. the determination of the pace and even the direction of investment
  3. income distribution
and 4) the determination of prices and outputs in those sectors that use large amounts of capital assets per unit of input or per worker
This was written in 1986. Substantially the same point was made by Galbraith in the 1960's and by Veblen in 1904.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:06:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I was not refering to the neoclassical school as a whole (as you well know) but rather to the fact that banks and bankers don't need to dabble in charity to supply useful financial services (as TBG implied). They only need to do banking, and the reason they do banking is "from their regard to their own interest".

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:12:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The point is you need finance to mobilize resources, so long as you need to work today for a benefit tomorrow.

And the other point was that mobilizing resources increases wealth. That's why people are willing to mobilize resources today for a benefit tomorrow.

That finance can be predatory is not under dispute either.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:30:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, everyone I know who has a mortage is one example, not to mention everyone who has a bank account...

Everyone I know who's a farmer or manage forest and need capital to do that. Not to mention the iron mine north of the city they'll rehabilitate for about 100 million euros...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:31:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In the original story, where does this firm come from? It's not part of the original local set-up. And it has the capability to advance, not out of thin air, 85mns' worth in kind.

Nice if you can find it.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:00:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Starvid:
People live in a community close to an iron orebody. Exploiting it will cost 100 million euros.
Who will be receiving those 100 million euros, in exchange for what work?

If they are willing and able to contribute the work in kind, you can do this.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:19:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
For example those who do electrical installations, supply pumps, build and sell mining machines, excavate the initial shafts and so on.

But I see no reason why they would accept payment in shares. They have bills to pay, and these bills cannot be payed with mining company shares, but only with cash.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:26:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, you still have 15% of the money as cash, per the initial statement of the problem.

If everyone demands hard cash and there is no banker around, the project doesn't get going. You mentioned a "community" being involved in this. Presumably the "community" has a local economy that provide some of the services these contractors would use their cash for, again in kind or by accepting the scrip issued by the mining partnership as a local currency. And once we're talking about it in these terms, what fraction of the community's GDP is 100 million, in your example?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:36:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If everyone demands hard cash and there is no banker around, the project doesn't get going.
Well, that's exactly what I said. The entire problem was an example to defend the utility of certain financial services.

Presumably the "community" has a local economy that provide some of the services these contractors would use their cash for, again in kind or by accepting the scrip issued by the mining partnership as a local currency.
Some, but certainly not all.

And once we're talking about it in these terms, what fraction of the community's GDP is 100 million, in your example?
What do you think? A city of 30-35.000 maybe, so a GDP around 1 billion euros?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:43:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Why cannot the share circle be widened to include these suppliers? Ad infinitum... The mind boggles, but the entire population of the Earth cross-owning and sharing everything could perhaps change the way people think about transactions.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:52:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Sven Triloqvist:
Why cannot the share circle be widened to include these suppliers?
Starvid did suggest (when pressed) that the context of this is a community of 30 thousand with a GDP of 1 billion...

The problem is the assumption that everyone is a delocalised service provider who wants hard cash so they can bugger off.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:56:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There are any number of reasons to suggest why these concepts will not work. However I think the 'what-if' ramifications are worth exploring in order to see how an alternative system might work (by putting aside some of the objections for the moment). I think you would agree?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:06:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
First, because nothing would ever get off the ground if everyone had to agree on accepting each others scrips before any financing was supplied to any project.

Second, because this would tie up everyones capital (like a forced investment in some global index fund) and stop people from buying that TV, car, vacation or investing in their own small business.

To resolve these problems and ease transactions,  the state decided to launch a universal scrip: the currency.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:57:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
This is why economically depressed communities sometimes give the state the finger and introduce their own local scrip.
Second, because this would tie up everyones capital (like a forced investment in some global index fund) and stop people from buying that TV, car, vacation or investing in their own small business.
See? You're talking about "good times" economics and I'm talking about "depression economics".

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:00:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So, because everyone wants their TV or foreign vacation, everyone remains unemployed? And, about investing in their own business... what if everyone also has on average just 15% of the necessary capital? Because everyone wants their own small business no businesses get started?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:03:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Everyone doesn't want their own business, because most people are risk averse and much rather take a lower risk and accept a potential lower return on their money, ie they put it in the bank.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:07:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But "the bank" as currently understood doesn't lend out of deposits - it has a state licence to create money (that is, a community licence to issue scrip).

So in your example, the "community" charters a corporation and gives it the power to issue 85 thosand worth of scrip to fund the construction of the mine.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:10:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
But "the bank" as currently understood doesn't lend out of deposits - it has a state licence to create money (that is, a community licence to issue scrip).
And it can only do this if it has deposits (or another source of funding).

And how should this community empower a corporation like that? Only the state has that legal authority, or the scrips will not be legal tender.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:15:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The community doesn't have the power to make the scrip legal tender. However, if enough people within the community will accept the scrip and the community is large enough, it is not worthless. In addition, the corporation has to accept its own scrip in payment for its services and the local government can also accept it. Finally, if the community is invested in this scheme, businesses can attract customers by advertising that they accept the scrip, and local businesses that don't accept the scrip may be punished by customers who want the scheme to succeed even if there isn't an organised boycott.

Then again, it need not work. But it has happened here and there in the course of history.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:24:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Why aren't we talking about Dubai? It seems to be the latest ohshitohshitohshit!-situation, though I can't say I feel very bad for those who extended credit to those idiot projects.

   

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:27:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Which firm are we talking about, the construction firm? Or rather firms, as we are probably talking about a number of firms, maybe one doing electrical installations, one supplying pumps, another building and selling mining machines, one excavating the initial shafts and so on.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:24:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The construction firm or group of firms.

I'm finding the notion fanciful that this stakeholder can advance 85% of the investment "in kind" (in a local community example where there's only 15% of the investment to be found in cash).

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:45:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Then you need a banker or the mine won't happen.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:52:04 AM EST
[ Parent ]
There are different kind of bankers. Both the useful ones and the locust ones coexist, often within different divisions of the same bank...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:17:23 AM EST
[ Parent ]
ThatBritGuy:
Meanwhile, in the real world - the bankers come in, strip mine the wealth, and it gets sucked into an offshore account in the Cayman Islands, where it's turned into drugs.

The community doesn't see a penny - although they may be left with an interesting eyesore and mass unemployment when the mining is 'no longer economic.'

Sounds like Iceland's ex-banks and Alumimium smelters... See this old thread on "uneconomic growth".

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 11:51:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Helen:
Next you'll be tellng me that financial services create actual wealth instead of capturing actual wealth and filling their balance sheet using virutual wealth.
When you stop putting words in my mouth we can continue this conversation.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:49:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If you want real value, you have to pay for it.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:35:12 AM EST
[ Parent ]
FT.com / FT Trading Room - LSE resumes trading after three-hour outage
During the LSE's last serious outage in September, traders largely chose not to trade rather than shift wholesale to LSE rivals on the grounds that the LSE, having by far the largest market share, was still the benchmark for reliable pricing.

However it has become harder in recent months for the LSE to rely on that mentality among dealers as its market share has fallen below 60 per cent in FTSE 100 stocks. Chi-X has captured 25 per cent of the FTSE 100, while BATS has almost 8 per cent.

The LSE said the latest outage had been caused by "a number of connectivity issues" that affected two of the "gateways" into the exchange's order books that are used by traders. The LSE has about 50 such gateways, which are the mechanism by which traders get access to the order book.



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 09:24:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 WORLD 


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:51:08 PM EST
Roy Greenslade: 21 journalists died in Philippines massacre | Media | guardian.co.uk

It is now reported that 21 journalists were killed in the massacre that took place on Monday in the Philippines' southern province of Maguindanao.

The Manila-based Centre for Media Freedom and Responsibility told the International Press Institute that a total of 34 journalists are believed to have been part of a convoy that was ambushed by over 100 gunmen at a police checkpoint .

The convoy was travelling to file candidacy papers for gubernatorial candidate and local mayor Esmael Mangudadatu. He was not on board the convoy.

Police have found the bodies of 57 people buried in shallow graves close to the checkpoint.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:53:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
US President Expected to Announce Afghanistan Policy Tuesday | Asia | English
U.S. President Barack Obama will announce his new strategy for Afghanistan on Tuesday.

The White House says the president will make his plans known in an evening address (0100 UTC) from the U.S. military academy at West Point, in the northeastern state of New York.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs announced President Obama's plans Wednesday.

Gibbs noted that U.S. forces have been in Afghanistan for eight years.  He said the U.S. will not be in the country for another 8 or 9 years.

The White House spokesman also said President Obama will reveal his Afghanistan strategy to members of the U.S. Congress Tuesday, ahead of his address to the nation.

U.S. news organizations say President Obama is most likely to back a plan to send between 30,000 and 35,000 additional U.S. troops to Afghanistan.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:53:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The number of troops is neither here nor there, I'm eager to hear what it is the overarching mission will be. If it's the same old bs, then I predict that eventual disaster will become obvious next year. We are teaching the Taliban how to fight us whilst we seem to learn nothing about how to fight them. Which means we're only going in one direction.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:57:18 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Al Jazeera English - Africa - UN mission 'failing' in DR Congo

The United Nations peacekeeping operation in the Democratic Republic of Congo has failed to disarm Rwandan Hutu fighters, UN experts say.

According to a 93-page report for the UN Security Council, leaked on Wednesday, this has exacerbated conflict in the north of the country.

The report said that despite the mission in North and South Kivu provinces the Democratic Forces for the Liberation of Rwanda (FDLR) was continuing to recruit and arm fighters



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:05:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]
 LIVING OFF THE PLANET 
 Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food 


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:51:48 PM EST
CLIMATE CHANGE: "No Politics in the Melting of the Ice Sheet" - IPS ipsnews.net
WASHINGTON, Nov 25 (IPS) - As climate scientists defend their work from sceptics in the aftermath of researchers' emails being stolen over the weekend, a new report hopes to provide an update on science's latest climate-related findings.

"The Copenhagen Diagnosis: Updating the World on the Latest Climate Science" is intended to fill the gap between the last assessment of climate research by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), released in 2007, and the climate summit in Copenhagen less than two weeks away.

The report comes as climate change sceptics are crying foul in the U.S. Congress, editorial pages and elsewhere over recently hacked and publicised emails that they say reveal a manipulation of the science to paint climate change as more human-caused than they believe it is.

Unfazed by this uproar, the report's authors released their findings Tuesday after combing academic journals for the hundreds of papers that have been written on climate change-related topics since the IPCC's last cut-off, in 2006.

What they uncovered was a climate changing at a rate that outstrips what the IPCC projected based on the best available data of just three years ago.

"We're not the IPCC, we're not criticising the IPCC. We're just saying the science has not stopped since the last IPCC report," said Richard Somerville, a coordinating lead author of the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report from 2007 and one of the 26 authors of Tuesday's report. "There's new science and there's also three more years of data."


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:29:16 PM EST
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When aliens come to write the story of the rise and fall of humanity, they will conclude that we allowed ourselves to be ruled by men who preferred to believe that yesterday would continue into tomorrow despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary that they chose not to see.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:05:57 AM EST
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When aliens come to write the story of the rise and fall of humanity ...

That's my gig.  :)

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 07:45:17 AM EST
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"Take me to your leader writer."

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:16:13 AM EST
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What's a "leader writer"?  Is that Finlandish?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 08:36:44 AM EST
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One who writes the daily editorial or 'leader'

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 10:37:04 AM EST
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Will Africa's farmland become a `resource curse'? | Grist

In his Late Victorian Holocausts, Mike Davis teases out the mechanisms of famine in British-ruled 19th century India.

When a drought would wipe out a grain harvest in one region of India, the price of grain would spike. People all over the subcontinent would suddenly find themselves priced out of grain markets--even in places where grain harvests went well. Grain would then flow out of India to the "mother country," where people could afford it, and literally millions of Indians would starve. That's one way relatively minor natural disasters become vast human catastrophes.

Devastatingly, Davis details how the British Empire (wittingly or not) used these eminently avoidable famines to consolidate its grip over the Indian Raj.

I got to thinking of Davis' dark masterpiece while reading Andrew Rice's excellent, nuanced report, "Is There Such a Thing as Agro-Imperialism?,"   in last Sunday's New York Times Magazine.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:43:54 PM EST
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In those days the locals didn't have a seeemingly endless suppply of kalashnikovs. I'd like ot see the chinese or saudis get grain out of Somalia right now and that's what the whole of africa will resemble when things get hairy.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:08:14 AM EST
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President to Attend Copenhagen Climate Talks | The White House

The White House announced today that President Obama will travel to Copenhagen on Dec. 9 to participate in the United Nations Climate Change Conference, where he is eager to work with the international community to drive progress toward a comprehensive and operational Copenhagen accord.   The President has worked steadily on behalf of a positive outcome in Copenhagen throughout the year.  Based on the President's work on climate change over the past 10 months - in the Major Economies Forum, the G20, bilateral discussions and multilateral consultations - and based on progress made in recent, constructive discussions with China and India's Leaders, the President believes it is possible to reach a meaningful agreement in Copenhagen.  The President's decision to go is a sign of his continuing commitment and leadership to find a global solution to the global threat of climate change, and to lay the foundation for a new, sustainable and prosperous clean energy future.   

The White House also announced that, in the context of an overall deal in Copenhagen that includes robust mitigation contributions from China and the other emerging economies, the President is prepared to put on the table a U.S. emissions reduction target in the range of 17% below 2005 levels in 2020 and ultimately in line with final U.S. energy and climate legislation.  In light of the President's goal to reduce emissions 83% by 2050, the expected pathway set forth in this pending legislation would entail a 30% reduction below 2005 levels in 2025 and a 42% reduction below 2005 in 2030.  This provisional target is in line with current legislation in both chambers of Congress and demonstrates a significant contribution to a problem that the U.S. has neglected for too long.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:48:14 PM EST
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France says US climate ideas 'extremely encouraging'
PARIS, Nov 25 (AFP) Nov 25, 2009
France said Wednesday a US offer to cut its greenhouse gas emissions by 17 percent from 2005 levels by 2020 is "extremely encouraging" in the run-up to the Copenhagen climate conference.

"To have a figure put on an American undertaking, announced by the White House, is worthwhile progress," said environment minister Jean-Louis Borloo as he set off for Beijing for talks with Chinese officials.

World leaders will meet in the Danish capital for 12 days from December 7 to try to agree a global pact to reduce manmade emissions of the gases that are blamed for climate change.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:49:11 PM EST
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Beijing Slams Europe Emissions Effort - WSJ.com
BEIJING -- China's top climate envoy lashed out at Europe for failing to meet its previous greenhouse-gas commitments, and said reaching an agreement at the global warming summit in Copenhagen next month is essential.

"Europe made a lot of commitments. But if you compare those commitments to actions, there is a big disparity," China's special envoy on climate change, Yu Qingtai, told reporters Wednesday. He said Europe had failed to meet its previous promises to cut greenhouse gases and deliver on technology transfer and aid to poor countries.

Mr. Yu's comments reinforce China's tough negotiating stance less than two weeks ahead of the Dec. 7 global climate summit in the Danish capital. China has repeatedly called for a global agreement on carbon emissions, but has been unwilling to commit to the kind of difficult sacrifices needed to reach one, saying the burden lies on wealthier nations.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:50:19 PM EST
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He said Europe had failed to meet its previous promises to... deliver on technology transfer...

Excuse me? China's entire wind industry commercially is due to Eurozone technology transfer.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 04:29:29 PM EST
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Depends how much technology they actually agreed to transfer.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 04:48:56 PM EST
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Assuming you mean the Yurpeens, they knew exactly how much technology they were transferring, and were only concerned with near term revenues. Poor quality and losing control was a given.  (Though they will never publicly admit that.)

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:08:58 PM EST
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He said Europe had failed to meet its previous promises to cut greenhouse gases

Europe is currently nicely below its emissions commitment under the Kyoto treaty, the only one of the signatories in that case. Sure, some individual countries have failed in their goals, but the overall target for the EU is being met.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 04:38:02 AM EST
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India water demand set to double by 2030: study
New Delhi (AFP) Nov 24, 2009
India's water needs are set to double by 2030, which could dry up its river basins, according to new research released Tuesday that paints a grim picture for supplies across the emerging world.

Global fresh water demand by 2030 will be 40 percent higher than current supplies and agriculture is predicted to suck up 65 percent of all resources, said the report by the 2030 Water Resources Group.

The initiative, headed by consulting firm McKinsey and Co., studied China, India, South Africa and Sao Paulo state in Brazil -- four areas that together by 2030 will account for 42 percent of projected global water demand.

"The situation is getting worse. There is little indication that, left to its own devices, the water sector will come to a sustainable, cost-effective solution to meet the growing water requirements," it said.

Demand for rice, wheat and sugar will push India's huge agricultural sector to consume 1.5 trillion cubic metres of water by 2030, almost double that of China, said the study, called "Charting Our Water Future: Economic Frameworks to Inform Decision Making."



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:51:22 PM EST
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Water mis-management in India is a catastrophe that has been building for decades. They probably don't need double the water, they just need to stop being so idiotic with what they've got.

Read and interview with Arundhati Roy or her devastating essay about the Narmada dam

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:15:59 AM EST
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BBC News - Ships on alert for icebergs heading towards New Zealand

A warning has been issued to ships in the southern Pacific Ocean after more than 100 iceberg were spotted drifting towards New Zealand.

The icebergs, some of which are 200m (650ft) in size, are believed to have broken from an Antarctic ice floe.

Many scientists have said they believe these segments will break up long before reaching the New Zealand coastline.

The last time such a large flotilla was spotted so nearby was in 2006.

Maritime New Zealand has issued the alert to vessels in the area although it is not a major shipping lane



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:00:24 PM EST
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BBC News - Newsnight - New UK nuclear stations unlikely to be on time

A Newsnight investigation suggests that UK government plans to build a new generation of nuclear power stations to fill the energy gap by 2020 are wildly optimistic.

The British nuclear regulator has told Newsnight that he would not hesitate to halt construction if problems emerged and that no British nuclear power station had ever been built on time.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:09:43 PM EST
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No shit, Sherlock

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:16:43 AM EST
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 LIVING ON THE PLANET 
 Society, Culture, History, Information 


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:52:21 PM EST
Ritual sacrifice in Nepal sees 320,000 animals slaughtered to Hindu goddess - Wikinews, the free news source

In a tribute to Gadhimai, a Hindu goddess of power, a Nepalese festival began today with the mass sacrifice of 20,000 buffalo in the village of Bariyapur. Shortly after, 300,000 birds, sheep and goats were similarly ritually slaughtered.

It is estimated as many as 750,000 people travelled from India, which recently banned similar mass-sacrifices, to make up the majority of the festival's estimated one million attendees. Member of Parliament Shiv Chandra Kushwaha skipped Tuesday's legislative meeting, saying that the festival had more importance as a religious celebration.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:10:43 PM EST
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Does that meat rot or is it all distributed for food ?


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:19:31 AM EST
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Ooooooh, a whole roast buffalo on my Thanksgiving table.  Yum!  The giblets must be impressive.  Except no gizzard.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 07:49:13 AM EST
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BBC News - 1920s disaster movie restored

Footage of a steam train, which was derailed for the 1928 silent movie The Wrecker, has been restored after 80 years with a new musical score.

The steam train was derailed on the Basingstoke to Alton line, in Hampshire.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 01:25:18 PM EST
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A good news day for women | Zohra Moosa | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

You may not know it but today is a good news day for women - 25 November is the International Day for the Elimination of Violence Against Women, which launches the 16 days of activism against gender violence. Sixteen days of women and men all over the world tackling a global - but largely secret - scandal. Where's the good news? After years of lobbying, the UK government has delivered what we've all been asking for - a cross-governmental violence against women strategy.

The scale of the problem facing the government should not be underestimated. Violence against women and girls is one of the most widespread abuses of human rights both here and abroad. It affects one in three women globally and is a major cause of death and disability. As ActionAid's work on violence against women reveals, it is also a leading factor in global poverty and a driver of conflict and the spread of HIV and Aids. Within the UK alone, violence against women costs about £40bn every year.



When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:26:17 PM EST
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RIGHTS: U.N. Recruits Men to Help End Violence Against Women - IPS ipsnews.net
UNITED NATIONS, Nov 25 (IPS) - Marking the 10th anniversary of the International Day for the Elimination of Violence against Women on Nov. 25, U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon launched a Network of Men Leaders to battle violence against women and girls here Tuesday.

"These men will add their voices to the growing global chorus for action," Ban said.

The Network of Men Leaders consists of current and former politicians, activists, religious and community figures who will work together to support the efforts of women around the world to defy destructive stereotypes, embrace equality, and inspire men and boys around the globe to speak out against violence.

Seventy percent of women have experienced some sort of physical or sexual violence from men, mainly from husbands, intimate partners or relatives, Ban noted.

Therefore "men have a crucial role to play in ending such violence, as fathers, friends, decision makers, and community and opinion leaders", he said.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:26:53 PM EST
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RIGHTS-FRANCE: Domestic Violence - Everybody's Business - IPS ipsnews.net
PARIS, Nov 25 (IPS) - Several people are gathered outside a window, staring wide-eyed at a scene within. They watch as a man brutally beats a woman, pounding her face with his fists, kicking her. No one says anything, until an onlooker screams agonisingly: "stop".

This is a short black-and-white film made by French director Olivier Dahan that has been showing on television and in theatres here ahead of the Nov. 25 International Day to Eliminate Violence Against Women.

Created for Amnesty International (AI), the film highlights the increase in reported cases of domestic violence in France over the past years and is being used to raise awareness of the issue. Its message: "Don't remain silent in the face of conjugal violence".

According to the interior ministry, one woman is killed every three days in France as a consequence of such violence. The problem is "major because of the impact on the foundations of society", the ministry says.

In 2008, a national police study showed that 156 women were murdered by their partner or ex-partner, while 27 men were killed in comparable circumstances. Eleven of the women who killed their partners had themselves been victims of domestic violence, the authorities say. In addition, nine children were also murdered by their fathers.


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:27:56 PM EST
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Wikipedia bans Volvo's IT over racist rants * Channel Register

Wikipedia has banned editing from machines inside Volvo Information Technology - the outfit that operates the Swedish auto maker's IT infrastructure - after someone in the organization vandalized the free encyclopedia with a pair of profanity-laden racist rants.

Yesterday, an anonymous Wikifiddler sitting behind the IP address 192.138.116.230 suddenly unloaded a stream of egregious Wikiracism onto a pair of articles dedicated to Pakistani cricketers Wasim Akram and Inzamam-ul-Haq. According to an IP lookup, the address maps back to Volvo IT.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:49:31 PM EST
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Free to good home: carrier John F. Kennedy  LA Times

The U.S. Navy plans to give away the retired aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy for a museum or memorial. The ship is docked in Philadelphia with other retired warships.

The Navy says the deadline for submitting initial applications is Jan. 22. Bidders have to be a government or nonprofit group that pledges to use the ship as a museum or memorial. The winner gets the ship for free, but will be responsible for moving the 1,050-foot vessel from Philadelphia to its new home.

Known as "Big John," the ship was the last conventionally powered aircraft carrier built by the Navy. It once carried a crew of about 4,600 and 70 combat aircraft. It entered Navy service in September 1968 and was decommissioned in 2007.



If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:29:06 AM EST
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At least seven redhaired students were victims of "ginger" attacks, authorities say  LA Times

At least four redhaired girls and three boys are believed to have been victims of the so-called ginger attacks at a Calabasas middle school that authorities say were inspired by a Facebook message, a Los Angeles County sheriff's investigation has revealed.

The seven victims were targeted in a series of assaults at or near A.E. Wright Middle School that began early Friday after the perpetrators acted on a Facebook message that informed them it was "Kick a Ginger Day," authorities said. Ginger is a label given to people with red hair, freckles and fair skin.

Detectives have identified  eight boys at the school as formal subjects of the investigation, said Steve Whitmore, a sheriff's spokesman. No arrests have been made.

The investigation began after a 12-year-old redheaded boy was assaulted by his classmates at the school, authorities said. His cuts and bruises were treated by a school nurse, who reported the incident to the principal.

"This was the most serious of the assaults," Whitmore said. "The other incidents tended to be pushing, shoving and intimation. More of an aggressive bullying."


Calabasas is an upscale community that has its own school system so as not to have to deal with all of LAUSD's problems.  Perhaps making these students part of an "exchange" program with one of the inner city LAUSD schools for a while would be instructive to the children.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 12:57:10 AM EST
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Spoiled brats being bullies... what's the news?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 04:31:47 AM EST
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People may remember that a month ago we were discussing rumours that Berlusconi might buy Spain's El Pais. Admittedly, that's a sensationalist way to put it and the reality was much less clear-cut and much less threatening for press freedom in Spain, though the possibility was there that Berlusconi might consolidate a dominant position in the Spanish TV market where he is already presence through Tele Cinco.

Telefónica adquiere a PRISA el 21% de Digital + por 470 millones · ELPAÍS.comTelefónica acquires from PRISA 21% of Digital+ for €470M - ElPais.com
Como parte del acuerdo, las dos compañías han suscrito un pacto de accionistas que regulará los principios de gestión de Digital +. Con carácter previo a la ejecución del acuerdo, PRISA procederá a fusionar las dos compañías que desarrollan la actividad de televisión de pago: Canal Satélite Digital y DTS Distribuidora de Televisión Digital, así como las demás actividades relacionadas en una sola compañía. El pacto de accionistas prevé que Telefónica tendrá derecho a nombrar dos miembros del consejo de administración de esa compañía.As pat of the agreement, both firms have signed a shareholders' agreement regulating the management principles of Digital+. Before executing the agreement, PRISA will merge into a single firm the two companies that carry out subscription TV: Canal Satélite Digital and DTS Distribuidora de Televisión Digital, as well as the rest of related activities. The sharedolders' agreement envisions that Telefónica will have the right to appoint two members of the board of that [new] firm.
El pago de la operación se hará, en parte, mediante la amortización de la deuda subordinada de Sogecable, suscrita por Telefónica en 2003, por un importe aproximado de 230 millones de euros, y el resto en efectivo. La adquisición queda condicionada a la obtención de las autorizaciones necesarias.The payment for the operation will be made, in part, through the amortization of subordinated debt by Sogecable, subscribed by Telefónica in 2003, for an approximate amount of €230M, with the rest in cash. The acquisition is conditional on obtaining the necessary [regulatory] authorisation.
Telefónica y PRISA han firmado además un acuerdo marco de colaboración con la finalidad de explorar posibles ámbitos de cooperación en el desarrollo audiovisual y otros servicios de ambas compañías en España.Telefónica and PRISA have also signed a framework agreement with the goal of exploring possible areas of cooperation in audiovisual development and other services by both companies in Spain.

In the discussion I refer to above, de Gondi suggested Berlusconi might put pressure on Telefonica through political meddling in Telecom Italia, where Telefónica has business interests, as a way to leverage himself into PRISA. It appears Telefónica has blunted Berlusconi's scheming, if there was any substance to the earlier rumours.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 04:46:16 AM EST
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Teen Dodges Scolding; Lives On Subway For 11 Days | AHN

Hernandez's mother, Marisela Garcia, 38, spent nearly two weeks in a panic over her missing son mainly because the boy has Asperger's syndrome, a developmental disorder affecting his ability to socialize or communicate. Garcia said her son disappeared after he thought he would get in trouble for something that happened at school. Garcia said she is disappointed about how little help she got from the police department when she contacted them about her son. She said she and her husband finally took matters into their own hands by passing out fliers around the area before eventually seeking the help of the Mexican consulate in New York.

A transit police officer saw Hernandez at the final stop of one of the trains on Coney Island. He was returned home a little skinnier, but unharmed. Garcia said her son has not opened up about what went on in the 11 days he was missing, but he did tell her he survived off of $11 and lollipops and potato chips, slept on the train and used public restrooms within the system. Hernandez wore the same clothes for the duration of his time on the subway.

Garcia said her son did not ask for help or communicate with anyone. Experts said that it is not uncommon for individuals with Asperger's not to communicate with others.



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:32:52 AM EST
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Runaway With Asperger's Syndrome Spent 11 Days on Subway - NYTimes.com
Just what propelled Francisco to take flight on Oct. 15 is unclear. Administrators at his school, Intermediate School 281, would not comment. But Francisco said he had failed to complete an assignment for an eighth-grade class, and was scolded for not concentrating.

After school, he phoned his mother to say he was heading home. She told him the school had called and she wanted a serious talk with him.

His first impulse was to flee. He walked eight blocks to the Bay Parkway station and boarded a D train. It seemed a safe place to hide, he said.



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 05:35:42 AM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 12:52:55 PM EST
Strap-on jetwing birdman does an Icarus into Straits of Gibraltar * The Register
Renowned backpack birdman Yves Rossy has suffered yet another mishap during an attempt to fly across the Straits of Gibraltar. Windy conditions were blamed by organisers after the Swiss daredevil plunged into the sea minutes after leaping from a small aircraft above Morocco, having intended to land in Spain.


Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:26:12 PM EST
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Bail Offer for Roman Polanski Is Approved - ArtsBeat Blog - NYTimes.com

Update | 3:12 p.m. PARIS -- A Swiss court on Wednesday granted bail to the filmmaker Roman Polanski, who was being detained as he fights extradition to the United States to face sentencing on child-sex charges.

The Swiss Federal Criminal Court granted Mr. Polanski's appeal against detention in exchange for 4.5 million Swiss francs, or $4.5 million, together with other guarantees like the surrender of his identity papers to ensure he does not leave the country, the federal tribunal said.

The three judges of the court estimated that the bail amount was a substantial portion of Mr. Polanski's fortune and that given his "advanced age" -- he is 76 -- the "possibility of re-accumulation of fortune in this amount would not be certain."

The court considered the bail and the supporting measures "as being sufficient to avert the risk of flight," it said.

The Justice Ministry has 10 days during which it can submit an appeal to the Swiss Federal Supreme Court. But the justice minister, Eveline Widmer-Schlumpf, told Swiss television that she could see no reason to appeal the decision, Reuters reported.



There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 03:36:04 PM EST
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together with other guarantees like the surrender of his identity papers to ensure he does not leave the country

Is this a sign that the journalist doesn't know anything about Europe, or is he just dumbing down for his readership? Since Switzerland is in Schengen, he shouldn't have much difficulty leaving without identity papers. The key point is buried deep down in the article:

If the justice ministry does not appeal, Mr. Polanski would be allowed to leave his jail cell and remain under house arrest and electronic monitoring at his holiday chalet in the mountain resort of Gstaad.
That sounds more convincing.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 05:07:03 PM EST
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The Book of Genesis illustrated by R Crumb | Book review | Books | The Guardian

All 50 chapters are present and correct, and, apart from some discreet nudity when there's begetting to be done, there's nothing to disqualify this from being sold in the staidest Christian bookstore. The text, heavily reliant on a recent translation by Robert Alter, reads like the King James partially revised, in haste, by a primary school teacher. Crumb is a non-believer but frowns on the liberties taken by some other graphic adapters of the scriptures. "This is a straight illustration job," he states, "with no intent to ridicule or make visual jokes." Intentional humour is indeed scarce, although the bit in Chapter 28 where God and the messengers of Abraham float down a heavenly ramp has a Teletubbyish daftness that made me smile.

If the book does not intend to ridicule, what exactly is its intent? Hard to imagine. Crumb's lack of religious fervour means the images lack the weird mystery that suffuses the visions of, say, William Blake or David Tibet. But, with his gifts for satire and grotesque playfulness locked away, Crumb merely manages to depict the soap-opera antics of primitive Israelites in a manner that neither illuminates nor nuances them. His drawing style here - unexaggerated, painstakingly cross-hatched - is the same as he's used for other "serious" works in the past, such as his adaptations of Boswell's journals, Kafka's life story, Krafft-Ebing's Psychopathia Sexualis, or the biographies of various American blues singers he adores. The difference is that there's no one, in the narrative of Genesis, through whom Crumb can vicariously live.

Of course there is some fine artwork. In a project encompassing one and a half thousand panels, there ought to be. The evocation of human wickedness that precedes God's decision to flood the world has a nauseous pall of Bosnian war crimes about it. Noah's construction of the ark is masterfully handled. The genealogy pages swarm with tiny yet distinctly characterful portraits of semitic faces. Abram's haunted sleep when the Lord tells him his seed will be scattered for 400 years is powerfully imbued with preternatural dread. Too much of the book, however, differs too little in conception from the many other graphic Old Testament stories that have been produced by inferior artists. In his foreword, Crumb thanks a pal for supplying him with source material in the form of "hundreds of photos from Hollywood biblical epics". Contempt for the mainstream entertainment industry used to be one of Crumb's strongest instincts, so it's sad to think of him earnestly studying kitsch Hollywood movies for inspiration.



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 04:28:41 AM EST
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Talk about missing the point. Crumb has delivered a service by laying the silliness of the Old Testament open to inspection.

Too few actually read it, or are put off by the portentious Big-Beardy language. when they read it they'll go "ah c'mon this ain't for real". At which point religious fervour goes "Ping"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 26th, 2009 at 06:28:56 AM EST
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