European Salon de News, Discussion et Klatsch - 6 November

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:12:59 AM EST
EUobserver / 'Right to internet' dies quietly in Brussels back room

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Early Thursday morning the European Parliament and EU member states finally reached a deal over a long-delayed telecoms package when MEPs dropped their opposition to French-style internet `three-strikes' laws aimed at illegal internet downloaders.

In a major reversal of the parliament's position for much of the last year, MEPs in behind-closed-doors negotiations with the Council of Ministers, representing the member states, embraced new language in a compromise text that no longer requires that only judicial authorities be allowed to cut off internet access.

The deal is a major reversal of the parliament's position for much of the last year

Rather than requiring that a judge alone be the authority to order a severing of the internet connection, the compromise text reads that only a "prior fair and impartial procedure"is necessary, a phrasing that is sufficiently ambiguous that has allowed both sides to claim a win.

The Greens, who had led the battle against internet cut-off in the parliament, called the result a clear victory.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:38:35 AM EST
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Fran:
Rather than requiring that a judge alone be the authority to order a severing of the internet connection, the compromise text reads that only a "prior fair and impartial procedure"is necessary, a phrasing that is sufficiently ambiguous that has allowed both sides to claim a win.
This is the difference between requiring judicial approval and allowing judicial review.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:41:55 AM EST
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Rama Yade told to 'shut your gob or quit' French government - Telegraph
Rama Yade, the popular French cabinet minister, has been told to "shut your gob or resign" by colleagues after criticising Nicolas Sarkozy and government policy.

Cabinet ministers have branded Miss Yade, 32, a "spoiled child" and she now faces being ousted in a reshuffle.

The outspoken, Senegalese-born politician - once hailed by the president as France's Condoleezza Rice, the former black American secretary of state - has been frozen out of the cabinet for serial insubordination.

Miss Yade now faces going the same way as Rachida Dati, the other star symbol of Mr Sarkozy's politically and ethnically diverse "rainbow" cabinet.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:42:52 AM EST
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I guess this is what happens when you use ethnic quotas to fill positions.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:11:22 AM EST
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No, this happens when you chose someone on an ethnic quota who happens to have an ambition of her own.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:57:08 AM EST
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Sitting in a government is teamwork. Divas are not wanted.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:10:18 AM EST
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The diva of the previous government is now the President. Just saying.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:19:36 AM EST
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There can be only one.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:19:03 AM EST
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Tell that to Blair, Sarkozy, Berlusconi and even Zapatero...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:20:08 AM EST
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Would you care to enlighten us as to why?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:08:29 AM EST
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Presumably because ministers should be selected for their ability and not for ethnic quotas?

But this assumes that the decision to include a certain ethnic/gender mix in a large team will compromise the quality of the team, which is not the case.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:25:38 AM EST
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Presumably because ministers should be selected for their ability and not for ethnic quotas?

That may or may not be a valid argument against specific ethnic quotas, but what does it have to do with the case of Dati?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:30:43 AM EST
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Nothing, expecially when we're talking about Yade.

The spin is that Yade was chosen to fill some sort of ethnic slot, which may or may not be true and may or may not be relevant to the tensions with the rest of the cabinet. Nobody is appointed minister for just one reason.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:18:54 AM EST
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What ethnic quotas? I'm not aware there were any. As for ability, Dati was spectacularly over-positioned as Justice Minister, though her nomination to such a high post was more a result of personal favouritism than anything ethnic. And Rama Yade is extremely able, certainly enough for the more minor jobs she's been given.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:59:38 AM EST
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There are no quotas but there is tokenism. "I shall have so many women and a blanc-noir-beur cabinet so I can score some cheap PR points".

Governments are always based on "quotas": representing the relative power of the various political clans within the ruling party.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:04:44 AM EST
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Starvid's assumption is that this leads to the appointment of incompetent ministers. It may, or not. Just as the standard choice of a collection of ageing white men in suits may, or may not.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:28:14 AM EST
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Political news commentary as confirmation bias?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:36:13 AM EST
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"Rama Yade is extremely able, certainly enough for the more minor jobs she's been given."

If that is true, it only makes it worse for her -and that may be Starvid's meaning:

When someone is appointed as an ethnic quota (or gender, or age), he will be expected to act as such. That is, as a token.

Yade was appointed as the token black. Not just to the government but to all of her previous political positions (OK, as the token pretty young woman as well, UMP being very short of them).
In that respect, ANY show of actual personality was always going to be seen as out of character. Ability would be frowned upon as well.
 

"Few can believe that suffering, especially by others, is in vain. - Galbraith"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:30:32 AM EST
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Trouble is, I don't know where that line of reasoning leads us other than to the quasi-impossibility of ever having governments composed of other than ageing white men in suits.

Tokenism or quotas may not be ideal, but if the persons appointed are in fact competent, there's much less of a problem, and people will get used to having government members of different genders, ethnicity, etc. But if the competent token is expected to behave as just a token, competence isn't even a requisite.

(This said, Rama Yade has acted out a fair amount...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:43:10 AM EST
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It's not a quasi-impossibility - it's a practical impossibility.

For all of the nonsense talked about democracy, realpolitik is about both national and personal prestige. The EU has been undermining this by not being a nation state, and by not having a single charismatic leader. This disturbs the upper levels of power because it seems unnatural to them.

One of the quieter European successes has been an occasional fondness for politicians who are colourless and bland, but also informed and relatively competent.

This compares favourably with the strutting machismo and overwhelming charisma that's usually expected of leaders, in lieu of expertise, insight, experience, or relevant qualifications.

Democracy isn't possible until politics moves beyond style and focusses on substance.

In the meantime, tokenism is a form of trophy politics - the token politician is owned by their leader, which is why they're expected to behave.

I don't see the tokenism as the problem - because it's the model for most politics. Tokenism shows it up and makes it more obvious. But it's no different in principle to NuLab's history of top-down dictatorship, where cabinet ministers were expected to do PR for No 10's decisions, and not indulge in free thinking.

Likewise for the other minions of Sarkozy, Burlesconi, Bush, Reagan, Thatcher, and all of our usual favourites.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:59:08 AM EST
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"Trouble is, I don't know where that line of reasoning leads us other than to the quasi-impossibility of ever having governments composed of other than ageing white men in suits."

I disagree. She could fully well have been appointed as a competent minister (although she was rather light in my view -but then so were several other ministers).

The problem is not that she was appointed being an attractive black woman. It was that, from her very first step into politics, she was appointed AS a pretty black woman. Her abilities or lack thereof never even made it into the equation. Therefore, she was not expected to act like her opinions mattered.

On the other hand, you could have a pretty black womand appointed as minister because she is competent. In that case you would expect her to speak her mind, but not to have her picture appear regularly in fashion magazines, because the good looks would only be a coincidence. Of course, for that you would need to have a different person in the Elysée palace.

"Few can believe that suffering, especially by others, is in vain. - Galbraith"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 01:08:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Migeru:
Presumably because ministers should be selected for their ability

Funny. :)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:25:28 AM EST
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The "shut your gob" is an abuse of language. No such language has been used in fact. Just saying.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:07:29 AM EST
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French minister: 'EU won't bend rules for Tories' - Europe, World - The Independent

A renegotiation of EU institutions to suit the Conservatives if they win power is "out of the question" and London risks isolation if it makes such demands, France's minister for Europe said today.

The Conservatives have given up on the idea of putting the European Union's Lisbon Treaty to a referendum, but pledged to seek the return of some powers from Brussels to London.

"It is out of the question to reopen negotiations on the treaty," said Pierre Lellouche, France's secretary of state for European Affairs, on the sidelines of a news conference by President Nicolas Sarkozy.

"That would require agreement from the 26 other EU members and I don't think for a single minute that will be possible. It was so hard and took so long (to agree on Lisbon) that these institutions are here to stay, probably for decades," he said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:46:20 AM EST
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France: 'autistic Tories have castrated UK in Europe' | Politics | The Guardian

The Conservatives were accused by the French government tonight of "castrating" Britain's position within the EU by adopting an "autistic" approach that would take Britain off the radar.

Speaking to the Guardian, Pierre Lellouche, France's Europe minister, described as "pathetic" the Tories' EU plans announced today, warning they would not succeed "for a minute".

Giving vent to frustration across the EU, which has so far only been expressed in private, Lellouche - who said he was reflecting Nicolas Sarkozy's "sadness and regret" - accused William Hague, the shadow foreign secretary, of a "bizarre autism" in their discussions.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:37:19 PM EST
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Tories dismiss EU backlash - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

The Tories said a backlash from Europe "won't make a difference" today as David Cameron was accused by a leading French minister of "castrating" Britain's influence in Brussels.

The Conservative leader yesterday promised to try to wrest back powers from the European Union after ditching his pledge to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:50:03 PM EST
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Well, of ocurse they're gonna tough it out. All of this kerfuffle is purely for domestic consumption, yet I think even now they realise it's not gonna wash. The backwoodsmen have been promised blood and by golly they'll have it.

Life is gonna get interesting. I might be seeking a european bolthole if these fools follow through on their insanity.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:00:37 PM EST
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It's amusing how ineffectual this is making Dave from PR appear. He's getting a good kicking from  his backbenchers, and also from the French. Leadership!

The insanity is for real. But if the Tory-tubbies are already this incoherent, their first round is going to be a suicidal TV drama of violence and cat scratching.

What worries me is the prospect of someone like 'Call me Stalin' Hannan getting the top job after a bloodletting, once Dave gets the Tubbies elected.

I'm not sure how solid CallMeDave's power base is. Judging by the short half life of 'leaders' like Hague, and the other one whose name everyone has forgotten already - not very.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:33:13 AM EST
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That last question is actually the most interesting coment to arise from this. The others were dumped because they were seen to have failed to get elected or make people feel good about the tories. JellyDave will at least accomplish that much by becoming PM.

But he risks splitting the party to do it. Right now they prefer the prospect of power to bloodletting, but people like Hannan aren't really housetrained enough to stay on the leash for long.

If I can stay my outrage at what the tories will do to Britain, I might enjoy the next few years as both labour and tory party rips themselves to shreds.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 10:45:55 AM EST
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NRC: British Tories redefine their European politics
Cameron bowed to the inevitable. There will not be a referendum about 'Lisbon', he said in London on Wednesday. He defended the reversal with the fact that such a plebiscite would be futile under the current circumstances. "If we wasted everyone's time and taxpayer's money on a referendum that had no effect, I do not think the British people would thank us for it."

Instead he promised to fight for the repatriation of powers that previous governments have handed over to Brussels. He wants to renew opt-outs (with regard to social legalisation and the EU charter of rights) and establish new ones (on criminal justice). He also wants to prohibit, by law, the transfer of any power to the EU without a referendum.

Protest from euro-sceptics within the party was unexpectedly limited. MEP Daniel Hannan, an arch sceptic, did say he will resign from his post to dedicate himself to campaign for a referendum. But apart from that, protests within the party was limited to anonymous comments in the corridors of the House of Commons. Political commentators say many Tories realise they should not waste their first serious opportunity of regaining power with new quarrels about Europe.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:20:31 PM EST
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Guardian (Politics blog - Michael White): David Cameron's six-point EU plan will waste time and win few concessions
My sense is that, now that the Sun has huffed, puffed and surrendered on Europe, the Mail's heart isn't in it. "Cameron's big EU climbdown" (surely the word is "betrayal" or "treason" in Mail-speak?) was confined to pages 14 and 15. Sometimes you have to retreat from an unholdable Dunkirk.

[...]

Dave's six-point plan for protecting British sovereignty from the fantasy of a federal Europe will waste a lot of time and win a few concessions that will have to be paid for with concessions elsewhere. It's called negotiation.

We've been here so often before; we all know the moves. Yes, the EU does encroach on all sorts of things, though nowhere near as much as the Eurosceptic analysis insists.

It has certainly intervened this week in ways that ought to help create a more competitive British banking sector - so helpfully that George Osborne has welcomed the commission's move and said it was his idea first.

[...]

Cameron says he does not want a fight with the EU. I believe him; he's not daft. He wants the EU to be an association of member states, not a federal state - which it isn't. From banking to Basra, Britain has usually gone its own sweet way under Labour - as it did under the Tories.

Brussels interferes chiefly in open market matters, under the treaty Margaret Thatcher signed, the Single European Act of 1986, the one the Hannans and Carswells never include in their lists of wicked referendum-free treaties Britain signed.


White's style is a bit too clever, but the targets do make it easy.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:45:41 PM EST
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Postal strikes called off on eve of fresh action | UK news | guardian.co.uk

The postal workers union dramatically called off a third round of postal strikes due to start tomorrow after reaching an "interim" peace deal with management at Royal Mail. The postal executive of the Communications Workers Union agreed unanimously to postpone further industrial action while further talks took place under the umbrella of the arbitration service Acas.

The Christmas post now looks secure and Lord Mandelson beat Royal Mail itself to putting out a statement welcoming the news and expressing confidence the negotiating "wrinkles" could soon be ironed out.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:38:08 PM EST
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Post strikes off after deal agreed - Business News, Business - The Independent

A fresh wave of postal strikes was dramatically called off tonight just hours before the latest walkouts were due to start.

Sources told the Press Association that 24-hour national stoppages due to be held tomorrow and next Monday would not go ahead after a deal was agreed to end a long-running row over jobs, pay and pensions.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:47:08 PM EST
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Russian far-right activists arrested for murder of journalist and lawyer | World news | guardian.co.uk

Investigators today said they had solved one of Russia's most notorious killings and had arrested two far-right activists for the murders of the human rights lawyer Stanislav Markelov and the journalist Anastasia Baburova.

Markelov - a friend of the assassinated journalist Anna Politkovskaya - and Baburova were gunned down in January in central Moscow. They had been walking towards the metro when a hitman shot Markelov in the back of the head. Baburova may have tried to grab the assassin and was also shot, dying in hospital.

Today Russia's federal security service (FSB) named their killers as Eugenia Khasis, 24, and Nikita Tikhonov, 29. While Khasis appears to have no previous convictions, Tikhonov is a veteran neo-Nazi activist wanted in connection with the murder of an anti-fascist campaigner.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:39:57 PM EST
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News - 06-11-2009 08:40 - Radio Prague
Mladá fronta Dnes: neo-Nazis planned terrorist attacks

The daily Mladá fronta Dnes reported Thursday it had uncovered a group of right-wing extremists planning terrorist attacks on various targets in the Czech Republic. According to the paper, the planned attacks included kidnappings of ideological enemies and police officers, as well as an attack on a power station. The group reportedly included some 30 individuals being trained in anonymity in hand-to-hand combat by professional soldiers. Police have declined to comment on the matter. In late October, police carried out a series of raids on individuals involved in fascist movements across the country. Mladá fronta cites the organised crime department of the Czech police as saying they have been monitoring the group in question on suspicion of terrorism.



*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:59:43 AM EST
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EUobserver / EU military chiefs nervous about Lisbon Treaty implications

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - EU military chiefs are nervous that their advice will not carry the same weight once the new Lisbon Treaty is in place and that the planned diplomatic service will not contain enough experienced military personnel.

Europe's chiefs of defence gathered in Brussels on Wednesday (4 November) to review all military operations under the EU flag and to witness the handover of power from outgoing EU military committee chair, Frenchman Henri Bentegeat, to Sweden's Hakan Syren.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:53:56 PM EST
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Oh oh, somebody seems to believe that NATO have a military veto on european civilian policy.

Somebody with a uniform fetish needs to be fired.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:03:51 PM EST
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Military doesn't equal NATO. Note who will be the new EU military committee chair...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:13:58 AM EST
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[Europe.Is.Doomed™ Alert]

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:12:17 PM EST
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the planned diplomatic service will not contain enough experienced military personnel.

Maybee im missing some detail thats obvious to Serious people, but, erm, dont we want say, people with skills in things like talking to people, working as diplomats, rather than people whise primary skills lie in shooting, stabbing and blowing up their neighbouring human beings? Surely one ot the biggest arguments in Diplomacy is "If we dont sort this out like reasonable people, then we have to resort to the knuckle dragging lumpswho we keep in the cupboard at the back for when things get stupid, and they break the crockery and mess up the garden, so best if we can talk it out first" So you keep the miliatry away from the negotiating tables  unless its really necessary.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:08:18 PM EST
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Military issues are a, or maybe even the crucial part of most international relations. Witness how all embassies are littered with military attaches.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:19:08 AM EST
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This is supposed to be a good thing? (And don't just say "it's reality", because we know that. The point is, is it the only or the best way of doing things?)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:11:12 AM EST
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There is another way. It's called the European Union.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:14:02 AM EST
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Once in force on 1 December, the Lisbon Treaty will merge the current military planning unit with a civilian one and fold all operational and planning divisions into the diplomatic service, due to be fully up and running by 2012.

The military chiefs will no longer report to the rotating EU presidency, but directly to the new EU foreign minister, who will also be a vice-president of the European Commission.

The EU's future top diplomat - British foreign secretary David Miliband is still favourite to get the job - will also have the power to propose missions abroad and to "ensure co-ordination of the civilian and military aspects" of these missions.

The military chiefs said they want to maintain the "high professionalism" and "rigour" of their structure, and to make sure their advice is still taken into account once they are part of the large new diplomatic service, known formally as the European External Action Service (EEAS).

Concern trolling.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:02:04 AM EST
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EUobserver / Controversial Russia pipeline clears EU hurdles

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - Sweden and Finland have given approval for Russia to build a controversial gas pipeline through their waters in the Baltic Sea.

Swedish environment minister Andreas Carlgren on Thursday (5 November) explained that a 23-month-long assessment cleared the project of potential harm to seabed munition dumps, bird-breeding and shipping.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:54:41 PM EST
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Nord Stream pipeline gets nod from Sweden, Finland | Green Business | Reuters

STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - A plan by Russian-German consortium Nord Stream to build a gas pipeline under the Baltic Sea cleared two major hurdles on Thursday as Sweden and Finland signed off on construction in their waters.

Nord Stream has raised fears both among environmental groups, who are worried about the impact on the Baltic Sea, and countries such as Poland, Ukraine and the Baltic states which view the project as a threat to their energy security.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:01:06 PM EST
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It's the big piece of news here today, everyone seem to hate it. Except me, who actually have a basic understanding of gas pipes.

At the same time, the government has overruled our EPA and banned a company from drilling for oil in the Swedish part of the Baltic. For "environmental" reasons. Meanwhile they approve a 1200 km long dual undersea pipeline, in spite of enviro-whining.

My country is ruled by idiots.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:17:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You voted for them :-)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:23:44 AM EST
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I did. There's no chance in Hell the opposition would be pro-drilling though.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:34:50 PM EST
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News - 06-11-2009 08:40 - Radio Prague
PM to take signed Lisbon treaty to Rome next Friday

Prime Minister Jan Fischer will take the signed Lisbon treaty to Rome next Friday, whereby the ratification process by the Czech Republic will be completed, a government spokesman told the ctk news agency on Thursday. Prime Minister Fischer is due to pay a two-day visit to the Vatican and will use the opportunity to take the treaty to Rome in person, the spokesman said. The Czech Republic is the last country to complete ratification of the Lisbon treaty which is due to take effect on December 1.

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*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:04:48 AM EST
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News - 06-11-2009 08:40 - Radio Prague
Controversy over opt-out

Social Democrat senators have slammed the government for negotiating an opt-out to the Charter of Fundamental Rights attached to the Lisbon treaty without Parliament's approval. In a stormy session of the upper chamber, Senate deputy chairwoman Alena Gajdušková of the Social Democrats said it was not the Lisbon treaty but the Czech government which was undermining the country's sovereignty by overstepping its mandate in this matter. Minister for European Affairs Štefan Fůle strongly rejected the accusations saying that the government had acted fully within its mandate. He said that the heads of the upper and lower chamber had both been present at the government session devoted to the Lisbon treaty and had not voiced any reservations with regard to the government's strategy.

The opt-out granted to the Czech Republic is to be attached to the next EU accession treaty and is thus not expected to come into force for several years. The Social Democrats have said they will try to prevent it coming into force. Tuesday's fierce two-hour debate in the Senate is indicative of the controversy surrounding the opt-out which was adopted at the eleventh hour as a last minute concession to President Vaclav Klaus.

LOL. I wish there was more reporting in the Western media of local opposition reactions to the idiocies of Klaus, Kaczyński &other buffoons in high offices here.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:07:03 AM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:13:26 AM EST
Rare Earths: High-Tech Companies Face Shortages as China Hoards Metals - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Germany is pinning its economic hopes on future-oriented industries such as solar panel manufacturing. But high-tech companies are facing shortages of essential metals as China, which dominates the world market in so-called rare earths, begins stockpiling the highly sought-after resources.

A massive gray mountain rises from the vast plains of Inner Mongolia. The artificial hill is the pride of the Chinese and the envy of the world -- at least the world of commodities traders.

Workers at the Bayan Obo mine refer to the mound as "Treasure Mountain." Up to 6,000 people work at Bayan Obo, China's largest mine, which is completely inaccessible to the outside world. The Chinese authorities are intent on ensuring that no outsiders should gain access to the craterlike landscape, and for those who do somehow manage the feat, it is akin to arriving on another planet.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:38:02 AM EST
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EUobserver / EU launches WTO action over Chinese mineral restrictions

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The European Union has asked the World Trade Organisation to rule on a dispute with China over raw materials.

The announcement on Wednesday (4 November) is set to further increase the trade tensions between the two sides ahead of an important EU-China summit scheduled to take place later this month.

The dispute surrounds Beijing's use of export subsidies and quotas to limit certain raw materials - such as phosphorous, coke, and magnesium - from leaving the country.

"China's restrictions on raw materials continue to distort competition and increase global prices, making conditions for our companies even more difficult in this economic climate," said the EU's trade chief, Catherine Ashton.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:55:36 PM EST
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From what I understand, it is not that there are no other sources of these rare earth metals, it is just that China is the low cost producer.  Oh!  What to do when the low price producer won't sell to you!  Without, I guess.  US trained economists are flummoxed. Mercantilism is just so pre-Enlightenment. And here we thought the Chinese were embracing market capitalism. How dare they!

We envy them because of their massive supply of low skill labor that will work for a dollar a day and for their lack of pesky environmental regulations. That is all great.  But to refuse to sell to us just because they deem a resource strategic is un-capitalist. Wonder if they would trade rare earths for gold?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:03:12 PM EST
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European Union's relations to India growing in intensity | Europe | Deutsche Welle | 05.11.2009
The EU and India will focus on pushing their free trade pact during their 10th annual summit in New Delhi on Friday. But other significant issues are also on the agenda, though the two sides don't always see eye-to-eye. 

A major sticking point at the EU-India summit is the planned free trade agreement (FTA) between the two sides. Daniele Smadja, head of the European Commission's delegation to India, said on Wednesday that the talks needed a boost.

"The FTA negotiations are very complex," Smadja said. "We have to jump into the cold water of give and take." The time had come to exchange concessions, she said.

But Clemens Spiess, a lecturer at the South Asia Institute at the University of Heidelberg, said he did not expect a final agreement to be reached.

"There are still a lot of hurdles," Spiess told Deutsche Welle. These include intellectual property rights disputes and tariff disagreements. He said he did not expect FTA talks to conclude successfully until 2010 or 2011.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:41:26 AM EST
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Bank of England extends quantitative easing to £200bn | Business | guardian.co.uk

The Bank of England will expand its programme of money creation by £25bn over the next three months to boost Britain's recession-hit economy, Threadneedle Street announced today as it left interest rates unchanged again.

Warning that UK banks are still failing to provide enough credit to businesses and households, the Bank said it would increase the size of quantitative easing (QE) to £200bn.

The Bank's nine-strong monetary policy committee also pegged bank rate at its record low level of 0.5%, where it has been since March. It said cheap borrowing and QE were needed to prevent inflation falling below its 2% target.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:46:23 PM EST
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Why do they keep saying they're injecting it into the economy when they're simply giving it to the finance industry to play pass the parcel with until they've leeched all the bonuses from it.

It never makes it into the economy, so how can it help keep the economy going ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:07:11 PM EST
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What, the finance industry is not part of the economy?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:16:20 PM EST
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No, the finance industry is a parasite on the economy. The government put money in because they labour under the delusion that this money will be parcelled out into the real economy from bankers. But actually they gave it to financiers who have captured the banks who use the money for other darker purposes.

In finance, money doesn't enter into the normal currents of the economy. It is simply passed from incestuous hand to incestuous hand, each transaction shedding fees and charges until there is nothing left of the original capital. This is then hived off in tax free bonuses to Monaco or the channel Is, never to be seen again.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:36:08 PM EST
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I believe you did once have a mortgage?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:46:42 PM EST
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I believe you did once have a mortgage?

But that did not come from money created by QE. The QE money, at least in the US, appears mostly to be intended for solvency repair. Sort of like putting flotation devices around a ship with a damaged hull to give the crew time to make repairs.  They can't use it to make loans because then they would be insolvent.  Besides, if they did, that could cause inflation.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:11:08 PM EST
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Oh, wait. It seems that US banks, at least, have put some of the QE money into the stock and commodity markets.  Now stocks are supposed to go up, so that is o.k.  Mission Accomplished!  Commodities are a problem, as they include oil.  Non-energy commodities are less of a problem, as manufacturers aren't manufacturing much.  These commodities are just being used as a store of value, perhaps.  But at least the TBTFs solved the "no credit worthy borrower" problem, no?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:27:51 PM EST
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They could have gone for a good bank/bad bank solution...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:32:25 AM EST
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There's no such thing as a bad bank. All banks are good, by definition.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:41:56 AM EST
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It would have to be a pretend "bad bank".

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:10:59 PM EST
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As in a "good cop/bad cop" routine?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:14:25 PM EST
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And of course the question remains: "Who, if either, is really the "good" one?"

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 01:22:37 PM EST
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James Moore: GM needs to prove worthy of our money - Business Comment, Business - The Independent

Outlook: So the horse trading begins again. Just a day after the Government pumped a truly obscene amount of taxpayer's cash into two zombie banks, the motor manufacturers are at it with General Motors wanting some financial candy of its own as the price for protecting thousands of British jobs. To be fair, there's good news to report here. The volte face made by GM on the sale of its European operations is infinitely preferable for Vauxhaull car workers in this country when compared to the alternative arrangement.

A Russian bankrolled deal to sell to Canadian car-parts maker Magna would have cost many more jobs in this country. So it's no wonder the unions are crowing and Mandy's got a big smile on his face and a cheque book in his back pocket. They're rather less happy in Germany, where other unions are threatening strike action thanks to the demise of a deal that they believed would be far more favourable to them.

That may be narrow-sighted. A GM Europe cut loose from its parent would have been a smallish player in a landscape dominated by giants. No MG Rover, for sure, and with much better management, but there were big question marks hanging over it.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:51:30 PM EST
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Opel workers stage walkout to protest GM move | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 05.11.2009

Workers at all four German plants walked out and joined picketers positioned outside the gates at factories in Bochum, Eisenach, Kaiserslautern and Ruesselsheim to underscore their concern that thousands of jobs may be lost.

Opel employees were dismayed by an announcement by their parent company, General Motors, that a plan to sell the struggling carmaker to Canadian auto parts supplier Magna and the Russian lender, Sberbank, had been reversed at the last minute.

The next few weeks could turn nasty for the two sides after the Opel works council said that, under the circumstances, it would reject wage cuts as a way to salvage the company. GM responded, saying in that case, it would take Opel into bankruptcy.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:02:33 PM EST
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Which just goes to show you it all depends on whose ox is being gored.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:31:41 PM EST
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EUobserver / Commission finance experts same bankers that caused crisis, says report

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - The vast majority of experts advising the European Commission on greater financial regulation are drawn from the same institutions that helped cause the crisis, claims a new report published on Thursday (5 November).

The document, A captive Commission - the role of the financial industry in shaping EU regulation, accuses the EU executive of listening almost exclusively to the finance industry both before and after the onset of the financial crisis over a year ago.

Its authors, the Alliance for Lobbying Transparency and Ethics Regulation (Alter-EU), a coalition of some 160 civil society groups, say the commission continues to draw insufficiently from the considerable expertise to be found in academia and civil society groups.

"The commission only seems to be interested in listening to the advice of the finance industry, rather than acting in the interests of society," said Paul de Clerck, a member of ALTER-EU's steering committee.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:52:27 PM EST
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New arrests in Galleon case | Reuters

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Nine more people have been arrested in the Galleon Group insider-trading scandal, bringing to 15 the number charged in the biggest hedge fund-related case in history.

The new arrests include Wall Street traders, lawyers and hedge fund managers, according to complaints filed in federal court in New York on Thursday,

The new charges come nearly three weeks after Raj Rajaratnam, the billionaire founder of hedge fund firm Galleon Group, and five others were arrested in the case. Rajaratnam is accused of masterminding the scheme.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:58:16 PM EST
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A Detailed Look At Goldman's CDS Holdings And How CDS Trading Has Become The Squid's Multi-Billion Cash Cow  Tyler Durden  Zero Hedge

One of the more useful information items in Goldman's periodic filings is granular disclosure on the firm's CDS holdings, and specifically segregated data by maturity bucket and by spread as pertains to "maximum payout and notional amount of written credit derivatives." In essence, due to the firm's monopoly in CDS inventory and, therefore, trading, this is the squid's beating heart: between buying and selling (hopefully offsetting positions) CDS in billions of dollars worth of notional daily, and being able to capitalize on wide spreads, courtesy of the extinction of such traditional competitors as Bear and Lehman, the firm will continue to make hundreds of millions in profits every day, month and quarter, due to its newly found monopolist exposure when it comes to trading CDS, both as principal and as agent.

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A Goldman CDS flow trader will traditionally make markets, for example in company XYZ, where he will give the (5 year) market as 500/530 bps, meaning buyers will put on new CDS at a spread of 530, while sellers will offload and/or short positions at 500 bps. By running traditionally balanced books, Goldman's flow trader is able to extract a 30 bps spread on any block of matched buys and sells. On $1 billion of notional traded CDS (which is much less than the firm does daily), with a DV01 of about $400k, if Goldman can unwind its CDS book daily to natural buyers and sellers, it can make $12 million simply by taking advantage of the spread ($400k (DV01) x 30 bps). At an average CDS block trade size of $25 million, Goldman's hundreds of salespeople need to just call up 40 accounts to trade in size and make the firm a risk-free $12 million. In days of volatility, Goldman can easily trade over $10 billion in notional equivalent. Again assuming a 30 bps spread, which the 85 Broad firm has basically guaranteed itself for life, courtesy of monopolizing the CDS market with just itself, and JPMorgan providing any relevant CDS inventory, Goldman can easily make $120 million daily, merely from trading CDS on a risk free agency basis.

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Sometimes there will be quirks: like when the firm has net notional exposure to a firm like AIG, which may or may not be able to fund tens of billions worth of margin calls, thereby skewering Goldman, which is forced to eat the loss. Of course, in those instances people like Tim Geithner step in and bail out the counterparty so that things at Goldman can continue running as smoothly as always, and the firm can go back to making hundreds of millions in virtually risk free trades daily (and that even excludes the perpetually Fed backstopped balance sheet: this aspect of its risk free business is merely a function of its near-monopolistic dominance of the CDS market: nothing more fancy).

Another time when things get problematic is when Goldman is running an unmatched book: in other words when it has sold more CDS than it has bought, a disbalance from a purely P&L point of view, or when it has sold less than it has bought, a risk from a counterparty perspective. The last is precisely what happened to Goldman as it transitioned from last year and headed into 2009. As the charts below demonstrate the company materially tightened its overall sold CDS exposure, in other words the gross maximum payout it may have been on the hook for at any given moment.

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Yet on a notional basis, things are not quite as bleak, and it appears that Goldman has learned its lesson: while at Q4 2008 the firm had a net liability arising from the carrying value of its written CDS of almost half a trillion, or $460 billion to be precise(that would mean its net exposure if all counterparties failed, would leave the company scrambling to get first row seats before Bernanke's printing press and praying it could print $460 billion worth of worthless dollars in one day), that number has since collapsed to a liability of merely $82 billion. Yet even that number is staggering, and begs the questions of what will happen to Goldman if we have another Lehman event at some point when the Fed's printing presses finally blow a fuse, and, more importantly, just what is the exposure of the other major CDS trading power houses which have likely not been as prudent in managing their credit derivative exposure. Zero Hedge will next analyze disclosed CDS exposures at JPM, DB and some of the other left over CDS trading desks. Luckily, with Lehman and Bear no longer out there (providing a happy Goldman with limitless Fixed Income monopoly powers), our task will be much easier.

 

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:00:28 AM EST
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Tyler Durden

LOL.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:11:31 AM EST
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Yeah, they make jokes about going down to the Fight Club on the site.  Guess I will have to rent the movie.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:01:59 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:21:48 PM EST
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Michael Milken On The Five Biggest Systemic Threats  by Tyler Durden  Zero Hedge

   Time to start loading up on those sovereign CDS. Today Michael Milken provided some insight into what the five key reasons for our current predicament are, which, courtesy of absolutely no real reform, double as even greater future risks for the global financial system. These include: i) that corporate credit is not the same as leverage,... ii) mortgages in real estate are never an investment-grade asset, iii) interest rates are volatile and unpredictable, iv) The US AAA rating is misleading and, and most important, v) sovereign debt is a big, if not the biggest, risk.

At some point Milken must have done some serious study of the history of actual credit risks and defaults.  Imagine that!  His comments on the US AAA ratings give a sample of his analysis. It reads as though it was based on spoken delivery and simply transcribed:

   Rating is misleading

    I guess none of the financial crisis would have happened without rating. There are now only four AAA-rated companies left in the America now: Microsoft, ADP, ExxonMobil and Johnson & Johnson.

    Yet, S&P alone, in the first eight years of this century, has rated 17,000 securities AAA. How do you lose a 100% on a triple A investment? Well, first, those weren't AAA companies. Second, you can borrow against it and create a security that is against the mortgage portfolio that is still rated as triple A. That is nothing new. If you read the rating history you will see that a double-A railroad has a 200% higher default rate than a B-rated industrials.

    Sometimes, companies were not getting downgraded after they actually defaulted. Even for GM, there was an uptick in its ratings in last May from B- to B.

    So if you are relying on rating, then I am not sure why, as a money manager, you should be paid a fee because there isn't too much value-added you are providing. Besides, people who provide ratings are just human beings. Maybe if they are the most talented in the world, you would have already hired them.

Good comment from one who should know.  Reminds me of a penetrating critique of Wall Street circa 1929:
"Those guys on Wall Street were running a RACKET!"--- Al Capone

Milken's comments are worth a read.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:35:30 AM EST
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On Invoking God to Defend Mammon  Yves Smith  Naked Capitalism

The efforts to try to burnish the image of bankers have gone from being unconvincing to ridiculous. I am certain we will see Jon Stewart comment on the latest twist, of trying to claim that God wants banks (and therefore bankers) to make a lot of money.

Since Calvinism is the de facto religion of America, equating wealth with virtue would normally make perfect sense. But one of my colleagues, who is thinking about writing a book on Christianity and capitalism, points out that God as depicted in the Bible is not a very good steward of the planet. He regularly uses brimstone, floods, earthquakes, plagues, and whatnot. And there aren't offsetting scenes of acts of nature conservancy. So if man was created in God's image, and God seems to have a bit of an appetite for destruction, perhaps the God-invokers are barking up the wrong tree. They might instead consider passing themselves off as mere vessels of Divine will in helping make bad things happen, that the people are who are suffering, in good Calvinist logic, clearly must be sinners somehow, even if it is not obvious what they did wrong.

But the defenses we get instead are more than a bit twisted, at least as reported in Bloomberg:

   Barclays Plc Chief Executive Officer John Varley stood at the wooden lectern in St. Martin-in-the- Fields on London's Trafalgar Square last night and told the packed pews of the church that "profit is not satanic."

    The 53-year-old head of Britain's second-biggest bank said banks are the "backbone" of the economy. Rewarding high- performing bankers with more pay doesn't conflict with Christian values, he said. Varley was paid 1.08 million pounds ($1.77 million) and no bonus in 2008....

    "Is Christianity and banking compatible? Yes," he said in an interview after the speech in the 283-year-old church. "And is Christianity and fair reward compatible? Yes."

Yves here. Whoa! I will agree that banking is probably not Satanic, but not being on a first name basis with him, I could be wrong here. "Satanic" leads to images of ritual sacrifice of babies, and I don't think the banking industry is into that,. However, many readers were put off by the idea of securitizing life settlements. That occurs when the holder of a life insurance policy is bought out by a third party who continues paying the premiums, speculating that they will die on some sort of actuarially-determined timetable. Of course, if the investor is proven wrong, and the people whose lives he is now insuring live longer than expected, he makes less money and has reason to want them to die, and could resort to trying to speed up the inevitable.

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Of course, you could also turn this argument on its head. If God really did want banks to make money, they have been really really bad at it! How many years of earnings were torched in the crisis? Certainly everything since 2003. And then the banks should properly be charged for all the losses their messes created in the real economy. So the people who ran those banks should not expect to be well treated on Judgement Day, no matter how you look at their divine mission.



As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:54:20 AM EST
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See above - all banks are good, by definition.

Even so - it's amusing, but perhaps not a complete surprise, to see someone from a bank speaking on behalf of god.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:43:09 AM EST
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See dvx' diary LQD: Blessed Are the Fundsmakers
I really shouldn't be taking the time to post this, but I can no more resist flaming, irony-replete hypocrisy than I can a bowl of salt peanuts. So I just have to share this:

Religious Intelligence - News - Church of England backs hedge fund managers

The Church Commissioners have come to the aid of hedge fund managers, telling a parliamentary commission that "onerous" regulations proposed by the European Union to govern the financial services industry would harm British charities.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:51:27 AM EST
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I recall.  Perhaps we should have an occasional series, say "Society and Religion"? Newspapers traditionally have Religion sections. Ours would just be skewed slightly to the side of the skeptics.  :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:07:02 PM EST
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New York Businesses Get H1N1 Vaccine | BusinessWeek | 2 Nov 2009

Citigroup has been supplied with 1,200 units and Goldman with 200, says Jessica Scaperotti, press secretary for the Department of Health & Mental Hygiene. The agency has so far approved orders by 29 employers--including 16 that have yet to receive any vaccine--after they were cleared by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention (CDC). Big employers that have received or are scheduled to receive vaccine so far include Time Warner (TWX), JPMorgan Chase (JPM), Memorial Sloan-Kettering, New York Presbyterian Healthcare System, and New York University....

"We decided early on that we would look to health-care providers in the state as the best way to get the vaccine out as quickly as possible to those groups in high priority by the CDC," says Claire Pospisil, spokesperson for the New York State Health Dept. "Eventually there will be enough vaccine for everyone that wants one, but initially--because H1N1 is affecting [the aforementioned groups] at much higher risk than the general population--it makes sense to get them the vaccine first."

Health-care workers at those employers are bound by the CDC to distribute the vaccine only to populations deemed to be at high risk of developing serious complications from swine flu: pregnant women, children and young people aged 6 months to 24 years, people who live with or provide care for infants under 6 months (who cannot be vaccinated), people aged 24 to 64 with medical conditions that put them at higher risk for flu-related complications, and health-care workers and emergency medical personnel.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:02:19 AM EST
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Skype founders wrestle back $400m share of company | Technology | guardian.co.uk

The founders of Skype have regained a significant stake in the internet company after settling a contentious legal dispute that had threatened to derail its $2bn sale.

The deal, which was announced today, will give Niklas Zennstrom and Janus Friis a 14% stake in the internet telephony service they originally sold to auction website eBay in 2005 for $2.6bn.

Confirmation that the duo had settled their court action - which focused on the ownership of a core technology used by Skype to deliver millions of voice and video calls over the internet - means the duo have now regained around $400m of shares in the company.



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 01:17:23 PM EST
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 WORLD 



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:13:49 AM EST
UN to relocate foreign staff | France 24
The United Nations says it will relocate around 600 non-Afghan workers, more than half of its foreign staff in the war-torn country, following an attack by Taliban militants in the capital last week in which five foreign UN workers were killed.

The United Nations will relocate about 600 of its roughly 1,100 international staff working in Afghanistan. The move comes after an attack on a UN guesthouse in Kabul last week left five foreign workers dead.

"The UN has already asked its employees to be more careful, to avoid travelling without a convoy in Kabul and in other parts of the country," said FRANCE 24's special correspondent in Kabul, Lucas Menget. "This is the logical next step."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:39:34 AM EST
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U.N. pulls out foreign staff from Afghanistan | World | Reuters

KABUL (Reuters) - The United Nations said on Thursday it would evacuate hundreds of its international staff from Afghanistan for several weeks due to deteriorating security, a sharp blow for Western efforts to stabilise the country.

Spokesman Aleem Siddique said the United Nations would relocate about 600 of its roughly 1,100 international staff, with some being moved to safer sites within Afghanistan and the rest withdrawn from the country temporarily.

The move, a week after five U.N. foreign staff were killed by militants in Kabul, complicates U.S. President Barack Obama's counter-insurgency war strategy, which foresees an influx of civilian assistance alongside extra troops.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:59:46 PM EST
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Policeman who killed British troops 'is back with Taliban' | World news | guardian.co.uk

The gunman who killed five British soldiers in an attack in Afghanistan's Helmand province was today back with Taliban fighters who greeted him with flowers, sources close to the Afghan security forces said.

The killer - identified only as a policeman called Gulbadin - was back under Taliban protection, the source said.

British and Afghan commanders were undertaking an urgent investigation into the circumstances of the attack.

The Ministry of Defence named the five soldiers who died in the attack as Warrant Officer Darren Chant, Sergeant Matthew Telford, Guardsman James Major, Acting Corporal Steven Boote and Corporal Nicholas Webster-Smith.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:36:01 PM EST
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How do they know he was greeted with flowers ? Did they see this happen ? Are there pictures ? Or did they just conjure up the scene for their own dramatic purposes ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:09:26 PM EST
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From the "urgent investigation" link:
The deaths prompted deep soul searching in Whitehall because Gordon Brown has put the training by the British army of a rapidly expanded Afghan security force at the heart of his exit strategy from Afghanistan.

With these kinds of training outcomes, the exit could be sooner rather than later. How are NATO forces to know that they are not simply providing training for the Taliban?  At least in a significant portion of the trainees?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 10:38:16 PM EST
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As I understand it, quite a number of IRA bomb experts had their demolition training from Her Majesty's Armed Forces.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:35:59 AM EST
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Ann Jones: Meet the Afghan Army: Is It a Figment of Washington's Imagination?
Afghans are world famous fighters, in part because they have a knack for gravitating to the winning side, and they're ready to change sides with alacrity until they get it right. Recognizing that Afghans back a winner, U.S. military strategists are now banking on a counterinsurgency strategy that seeks to "clear, hold, and build" -- that is, to stick around long enough to win the Afghans over. But it's way too late for that to work. These days, U.S. troops sticking around look ever more like a foreign occupying army and, to the Taliban, like targets.

Recently Karen DeYoung noted in the Washington Post that the Taliban now regularly use very sophisticated military techniques -- "as if the insurgents had attended something akin to the U.S. Army's Ranger school, which teaches soldiers how to fight in small groups in austere environments." Of course, some of them have attended training sessions which teach them to fight in "austere environments," probably time and time again. If you were a Talib, wouldn't you scout the training being offered to Afghans on the other side? And wouldn't you do it more than once if you could get well paid every time?

Such training is bound to come in handy -- as it may have for the Talib policeman who, just last week, bumped off eight other comrades at his police post in Kunduz Province in northern Afghanistan and turned it over to the Taliban. On the other hand, such training can be deadly to American trainers. Take the case of the American trainer who was shot and wounded that same week by one of his trainees. Reportedly, a dispute arose because the trainer was drinking water "in front of locals," while the trainees were fasting for the Muslim holy month of Ramazan.


Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:19:39 AM EST
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Argentina feedlot payments stop, ranchers complain | World | Reuters

MAGDALENA, Argentina (Reuters) - Argentine cattle raiser Jose Trivino fears the end of a decade-long boom in feedlots that is changing the face of traditional ranching on the legendary Pampas plains.

As the nation's farmers turn over more land to lucrative soybeans, cattle that once roamed freely over vast expanses are increasingly being reared in feedlots and fattened on grains instead of grass.

The government, keen to keep prices low for steak-loving Argentines, has encouraged feedlot expansion with millions of dollars of subsidies. But producers like Trivino say a recent suspension of state payments risks putting them out of business.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:59:28 PM EST
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If the idiot Argentine government would like more cattle ranching, maybe they should end those export duties?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:22:13 AM EST
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FT.com / Comment / Analysis - Burning ambition

On a leafy street in Almaty, a few hundred miles from Kazakhstan's border with China, the elegant mansion of China National Petroleum Corporation is kept under close guard. Behind its closed shutters, Chinese oilmen have plotted a strategy to win a huge portfolio of Kazakh energy assets to feed their country's need for oil.

China began discreetly buying Kazakh oilfields 10 years ago and now has more energy projects on the go in the central Asian nation than any other country. While the west's biggest oil groups agonise over the risks of undertaking expensive infrastructure developments in obscure locations, Beijing has boldly built a 3,000km pipeline to lock Kazakhstan's oilfields into its orbit.

by Nomad on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 07:11:44 PM EST
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From the article above;
Sombre oil executives fear they will never be able to compete with the deep pockets of China's government-backed companies and will be driven out of the few last available new oil patches.

The predicament seems even more dire in light of warnings from authorities including the International Energy Agency, the rich countries' energy watchdog, that the world is heading towards another oil crunch by the middle of the coming decade.

At a conference last month, Christophe de Margerie, chief executive of France's Total, challenged other oil executives to disprove his theory that the world would never be able to produce more than 100m barrels of oil a day - 20 per cent more than today - because so many of its remaining reserves lay in countries unwilling or unable to let international oil companies tap them.


Politics and economics can only be considered as separate fields by a pretense that only works when the political system has been structured to the needs of the economic system.  Vise versa is more what happened in the Soviet Union and Maoist China. It is folly to proceed as though your economic assumptions apply when you are dealing with a competitor that plays by their own rules.

Neo-Classical Economic training can seriously handicap western businesspeople in their dealings with China for this reason. Their expectations are often wrong. This would be a worthy subject for a Chaplinesque slap stick comedy were our personal and national welfares not taking the fall as well. The pull of the paradigm is such that all China had to do was appear to be adopting capitalist principles and many, many of those dealing with them thought: "Oh, good! Now I understand how to deal with them!"  Wrong.  Massive fail.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:35:45 PM EST
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Oh noz, they are "plotting! :O

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:23:12 AM EST
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Afghan insurgents learn to destroy key U.S. armored vehicle  | McClatchy Newspapers

WASHINGTON -- Taliban-led insurgents in Afghanistan have devised ways to cripple and even destroy the expensive armored vehicles that offer U.S. forces the best protection against roadside bombs by using increasingly large explosive charges and rocket-propelled grenades, according to U.S. soldiers and defense officials.

At least eight American troops have been killed this year in attacks on so-called Mine-Resistant Ambush-Protected vehicles, or MRAPs, and 40 more have been wounded, said a senior U.S. military official who, like others interviewed on the issue, declined to be further identified because of the issue's sensitivity.

The insurgents' success in attacking the hulking machines, which can cost as much as $1 million each, underscores their ability to counter the advanced hardware that the U.S. military and its allies are deploying in their struggle to gain the upper hand in the war, which entered its ninth year last month.


Instead of consolidating an easy victory in 2001-2002 we provided the Taliban with a force that constituted an optimal pacing activity for them to learn how to fight and then defeat us. This was a political decision akin to withholding for seven hours all but one fire engine from fighting a fire in a 60 story high rise building.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 01:16:01 AM EST
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Stupid article really. Any vehicle can be destroyed by mines or roadside bombs. Put a bunch of artillery shells together and you'll even damage a 60 ton tank. The idea with MRAP is that you actually have to make big bombs to blow them up, which is much more of a hassle than making small bombs to blow up Humvees.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:26:26 AM EST
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BREAKING or BROKEN, perhaps?

El Gobierno español considera que la creación de un Gobierno de unidad en Honduras sin representantes del presidente derrocado Manuel Zelaya constituye "un incumplimiento flagrante del acuerdo" que suscribiron el presidente 'de facto', Roberto Micheletti, y el propio Zelaya la semana pasada para poner fin a la crisis política que vive el país centroamericano desde el golpe de Estado del 28 de junio.

For English speakers.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:50:10 AM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:14:32 AM EST
Patent Lies: Who Says Saving the Planet Has to Cost a Fortune? - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

One of the nagging issues in the run-up to the Copenhagen climate summit are demands that the US and Europe provide massive aid so poorer countries can buy expensive emissions-free technologies. Activist David E. Martin claims many of the patents for today's low-carbon technologies -- including some used in wind power and hybrid cars -- are already in the public domain.

When the host of a party predicts a flop, it rarely inspires much confidence in a good bash. With just over a month to go before international climate talks start in Copenhagen the Danish government has done exactly that: Don't hold your breath, it said, it's unlikely there will be a binding global deal. European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso had even stronger words earlier this week: "Of course we are not going to have a full-fledged binding treaty, Kyoto-type, by Copenhagen. There is not time for that."

Money is threatening the fight against climate change. Climate experts have priced emissions-cutting technologies needed by developing countries at €100 billion ($149 billion) a year starting in 2020, and they want to see about half of that investment burden shouldered by public funding from the United States, the European Union and Japan. The world's poorest countries warn that without a solid promise of funds, they will walk out of the Copenhagen summit. But €50 billion is more than the loose change European states, Washington and Tokyo are willing to dole out -- particularly after bailing out their banks. European leaders meeting in Brussels last week shirked concrete commitments, saying only they would contribute their "fair share" to upfront climate financing.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:37:32 AM EST
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Yep, reducing CO2-emissions can save lots of money, if you just have the political will. Ban new fossil power plants, give big energy projects loan guarantees and nukes and wind farms will sprout everywhere, generating cheaper power than the plants they replaced.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:29:16 AM EST
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Better still, producers create Units redeemable in payment for electricity supplied and sell them to investors who are queuing up for such an asset class.

Using 'unitisation', most renewable projects - if the energy price and costs are right - are self funding, because you are receiving value now for something that costs nothing to create, other than maintenance costs (where people like Enercon already operate on a prodcution/revenue -sharing partnership basis) and decommissioning costs.

Energy savings (Nega Watts) are even cheaper, because there are typically no operating and decommissioning costs. An interest-free (in fiat money terms) 'energy loan' funds the project (if it stacks up), and then the project repays the loan at the market price of energy, funded from energy savings.

It's not Rocket Science: it's just a combination of monetising energy and energy accounting

It doesn't work quite so well for nuclear, because firstly the cost of fuel will go up over time in energy terms, and secondly there are uncertainties in relation to decommissioning and operating costs.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 05:39:01 AM EST
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Farmers have been told to go green or face the financial consequences - Times Online

English farmers have been given a last chance to adopt greener practices that benefit wildlife and help to combat climate change or face deductions from their state hand-outs of cash.

The Government has set a tough new target which requires that the area of arable fields covered by environmental schemes should double within three years.

Every farmer has also been told that he or she should fund some environmental improvements on their land without any financial support from payments made under the Common Agriculture Policy.

In addition, Hilary Benn, the Rural Affairs Secretary, has made clear that he expects farmers to keep some land fallow to help to provide habitats for birds and small mammals such as voles and field mice.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:44:42 AM EST
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English farmers ???

If they want to promote biodiversity then they should encourage organic farming, reduce weedkillers, reduce fertilizer. But that'd piss off Monsanto, so they're just being two-faced instead.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:11:42 PM EST
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Or we could stop subsidise farming. Just saying.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:30:25 AM EST
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The positive effect of which would be?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:13:03 AM EST
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Lower taxes, cheaper food, stronger economies in developing countries who are shut out of the EU and US markets.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:15:44 AM EST
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Well, Argerntinean and Brasilian agrobusiness would certainly be strengthened. African subsistence farmers? Nah.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:22:02 AM EST
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Africa has a huge agri export potential. Subsistence farming really sucks anyway. Anyone who has a chance to do something else will take it.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:40:43 PM EST
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Repeat: you are suggesting we be dependent on unsustainable plantation-type industrial agriculture in other parts of the world, and I'll add: you are suggesting former peasant farmers work for a pittance to keep your food "cheap".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:46:55 PM EST
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you are suggesting former peasant farmers work for a pittance

Or, more precisely with the South American exmple: a few of them would continue to work for a pittrance, while the rest would end up without land and job and move to urban slums.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:09:39 PM EST
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I do nothing of the kind. First of all, I haven't mentioned plantations. Second, plantations can very well be sustainable. Thirdly, I have said nothing about low wages. The lower costs would come from the reduced import duties and the increased efficiency created by such a move. Further, high wages in the agricultural sector (and in other sectors as well) are only possible, for obvious reasons, with a high degree of mechanisation (higher output, fewer need to share the agri-income). Even further, wages cannot become lower than they already are, as everyone who has those jobs moves as fast as they can, even if the alternative is a sweatshop factory job with very low wage.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:06:13 PM EST
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In other words, we would import our food massively from unsustainable plantation-type industrial agriculture elsewhere in the world.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:27:54 AM EST
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"The Great Heretic, The Story of Raul Prebisch, Implacable Foe for First World Power" by VIJAY PRASHAD

From 1921, Prebisch began to use the metaphor of core and periphery to describe the geography of international trade, with the core being Europe and the U.S. and the periphery being the rest of the planet (what Marx called the "peasant nations").

A brief stay in London, negotiating with the English over a new trade treaty, showed Prebisch real power: Montagu Norman, the Governor of the Bank of England, who answered neither to the political parties nor to the monarch. Prebisch wanted such a post in Argentina, one that would allow him to put his insights over monetary policy and international trade to work without the vacillation of electoral politics. He did get a sinecure at the Central Bank of Argentina after his plan (the Economy Recovery Plan of 1933) allowed his country to tread a middle ground between protectionism and "free trade". As Dosman puts it, "Prebisch certainly cared less about textbooks than evolving a new balance between industry and agriculture in the uncharted waters of the Great Depression."

From his perch as the Director of the Central Bank, Prebisch spent the next decade developing a monetary policy for the periphery, which was largely based on pragmatism rather than on any established theory. For this he earned few friends and many enemies, notably among the permanent bureaucracy in the U.S. Prebisch's ferocious nationalism prevented him from allowing Argentina's economy to bend its knee before either London or Washington, and this bothered the latter so greatly that Prebisch was barred from attending the Bretton Woods conference to set up the International Monetary Fund (IMF) and the World Bank.

re: The Life and Times of Raul Prebisch, 1901-1986 by Edgar Dosman

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 07:55:14 PM EST
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Don't you think a domestic food production capacity is strategic?

That said, lakes of milk and wine and mountains of butter are not strategic.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:21:24 AM EST
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But think of the voles.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:46:43 AM EST
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No. If you want "strategic" you also need to have all the crucial support industries domestically. Fertilizer, pesticides, farming machinery, oil&gas... No use.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:39:55 PM EST
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Eating is the one thing you need to do no matter what.

And, in Scandinavia, heating yourself.

The rest of out way of life is negotiable :)

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:50:56 PM EST
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Europe doesn't have support industries? The other regions of the world where you want to see plantations set up to provide you with cheap food already have support industries?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 12:53:11 PM EST
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Who said anything about Europe? If you want domestic security of supply, you're talking about just your own country. Then a much better idea is to prestore a few years supply of freeze-dried food which one can live off until domestic farming is recreated. That's much cheaper than constant agribusiness subsidies.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:08:14 PM EST
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I do believe you've passed into self-parody here, on several levels.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:14:17 PM EST
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How so? We did have those amounts of freeze-dried food stored in caves during the cold war. Which, given a bit of thought, is something of a parody. But then so are all worries over food security of supply.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:45:05 PM EST
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Global climate deal at least a year away, negotiators say | Environment | guardian.co.uk

A global deal to fight climate change will take at least six months and possibly another year to finalise, according to negotiators at the heart of the UN talks.

In a series of briefings, senior British and EU diplomats said they had abandoned any hope of reaching a legally binding treaty at the Copenhagen summit next month and had now started to plan only for a meeting of world leaders. This final acknowledgement follows weeks of growing pessimism and represents a significant downgrading of the summit's original goal.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:36:35 PM EST
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Friends of the Earth attacks carbon trading | Environment | The Guardian

The world's carbon trading markets growing complexity threatens another "sub-prime" style financial crisis that could again destabilise the global economy, campaigners warn today.

In a new report, Friends of the Earth says that to date "cap and trade" carbon markets have done almost nothing to reduce emissions but have been plagued by inefficiency and corruption that render them unfit for purpose.

As the world heads towards the Copenhagen climate summit, Britain and other developed countries want to see carbon trading expanded worldwide. The carbon market, mainly based in Europe, was worth $126bn in 2008 and is predicted to mushroom to $3.1tn by 2020 if a global carbon market takes off.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:45:44 PM EST
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GM Carbon Reserves and Green Police | DemocracyNow! | 5 Nov 2009

AMY GOODMAN: Mark Schapiro, you mentioned the Green Police, and I wanted to turn to one of the video clips on the Green Police and how they harass local communities living near the GM, the General Motors, forest.

      MARK SCHAPIRO: We went on patrol with a Força Verde crew, taking off across the Bay of Paranaguá. Though the term "Green Police" may sound benign to us, it was clear that the locals feared them. They have the power to fine, confiscate and even arrest fishermen, hunters and others who violate the rules.

      Lieutenant Albano told us that enforcement has intensified since the carbon sequestration efforts began. They carry the guns. SPVS provides the intelligence. And ultimately, the US corporations provide the funds.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:55:59 PM EST
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:30:53 AM EST
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Senate panel approves Democratic climate bill | Green Business | Reuters

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A controversial climate change bill cleared its first hurdle in the U.S. Senate on Thursday, allowing President Barack Obama to tout progress in the run-up to next month's global warming talks in Copenhagen.

Democrats on the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee ignored a Republican boycott and used their majority to approve the legislation that would require U.S. industry to reduce emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases 20 percent by 2020, from 2005 levels.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:00:36 PM EST
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Collider stalled again thanks to chunk of baguette | London Times | 5 Nov 2009

The rehabilitation of the beleaguered Large Hadron Collider was on hold tonight after the failure of one of its powerful cooling units caused by an errant chunk of baguette.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:51:14 PM EST
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Only to be expected.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 08:05:05 PM EST
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N.C. regulators refuse to halt coal power plant expansion  McClatchy | Charlotte Observer

The N.C. Utilities Commission on Wednesday denied environmentalists' move to stop the expansion of Duke Energy's Cliffside coal-fired power plant west of Charlotte.

The N.C. Waste Awareness and Reduction Network had asked the commission to revoke its approval of the 800-megawatt expansion that was granted in 2007.

With the ruling, the only remaining challenges to Cliffside are before a state administrative court. A federal lawsuit filed by environmental groups to stop or modify the expansion was dismissed earlier this year. Before the utilities commission, WARN claimed that completing the project was no longer in the public interest. The need for the expansion, it said, is based on Duke's potential sales of wholesale power, not the electricity demands of its Carolinas retail customers. (N.C. = North Carolina)


Once the plant is built the utility typically has the right to charge customers for the costs over time, so it is a straw into the rate-payers bank accounts. In Arkansas, Entergy appears to have forgotten to bribe the appeals court, as they had their entire application voided simply because they ignored plain language in the law.  Unfortunately, the ruling is now being appealed to the State Supreme Court, so they have the opportunity to rectify their oversight.  Hope North Carolinians have at least that much of a chance.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 01:27:56 AM EST
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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:14:59 AM EST
National Theatre of Wales: by the people, for the people | Stage | guardian.co.uk
Thirteen may be unlucky for some, but not for the National Theatre of Wales's artistic director, John McGrath, who has just announced a baker's dozen of productions to mark NTW's inaugural year-long season. It's an eclectic list, ranging from the first production for more than 50 years of The Devil Inside Him, a "lost" John Osborne play set in a Cardiff boarding house, written just before Look Back in Anger - to a new show, Mundo Paralelo, from the brilliant Welsh-based No Fit State circus. The 13th show of the season, which will take place in Port Talbot in April 2011, is to be Passion, a contemporary version of the old community plays that used to be performed amid the steel town's smoking towers. Actor Michael Sheen, who grew up there, is creative director of the project and will also star in it.


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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:38:52 PM EST
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Parents to lose rights over sex education - Education News, Education - The Independent

Parents are to lose the right to withdraw their child from sex education classes when the youngster reaches 15, the Schools Secretary announced today.

The move means all teenagers will receive at least one year's worth of lessons covering sex, contraception and relationships before the age of consent.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:47:49 PM EST
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Half a yay. Most sex education doesn't start till age 14/15, which is a bit pointless cos most kids have had sex waaaay before then and some got unlucky.

Plus I bet there are no condom machines for kids, they sure as heck won't buy them in chemists.


keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:14:30 PM EST
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"most kids have had sex waaaay before then"

most kids? waaaay before then?

That seems to be two rather big overstatements. The median age still is about 17, and even for those who started younger, it can't be MUCH younger than 14 for biological reasons.

"Few can believe that suffering, especially by others, is in vain. - Galbraith"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:10:38 PM EST
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I wouldn't believe that part about biological reasons, people started having sex a lot earlier a few hundred years ago (when people die at 30, they'd better), in spite of the fact that they hit puberty later because of undernourishment.

Still, I read something the other day, that people on average start having sex at 16-17, and that only one in ten have had sex at age 14. Which is probably why everyone felt that they were the only one who hadn't had sex when they were 14.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 02:34:58 AM EST
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Did they really hit puberty later?
Indian girls hit puberty earlier than European ones, yet are less nourished.

Maybe it's pollution? Maybe social changes lead the brain to delay it. I don't really know, but so far I had only ever read that people used to hit puberty younger in the past.

"Few can believe that suffering, especially by others, is in vain. - Galbraith"

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:34:30 AM EST
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Timing of the onset of puberty

The definition of the onset of puberty depends on perspective (e.g., hormonal versus physical) and purpose (establishing population normal standards, clinical care of early or late pubescent individuals, etc.) The most commonly used definition of the onset of puberty is physical changes to a person's body[citation needed]. These physical changes are the first visible signs of neural, hormonal, and gonadal function changes.

The age at which puberty begins varies between individuals and populations. The age at which puberty begins is affected by both genetic factors and by environmental factors such as nutritional state and social circumstances.[1]

The average age at which puberty begins is affected by your race. For example, the average age of menarche in various populations surveyed[weasel words] has ranged from 12 to 18 years. The earliest average onset of puberty is for African-American girls and the oldest average onset for high altitude subsistence populations in Asia. However, much of the higher age averages reflect nutritional limitations more than genetic differences and can change within a few generations with a substantial change in diet. The median age of menarche for a population may be an index of the proportion of undernourished girls in the population, and the width of the spread may reflect unevenness of wealth and food distribution in a population.

Researchers have identified an earlier age of the onset of puberty. However, they have based their conclusions on a comparison of data from 1999 with data from 1969. In the earlier example, the sample population was based on a small sample of white girls (200, from Britain). The later study identified as puberty as occurring in 48% of African-American girls by age nine, and 12% of white girls by that age.[34]
Historical shift

The average age at which the onset of puberty occurs has dropped significantly since the 1840s.[35][36][37] Researchers[who?] refer to this drop as the 'secular trend'. In every decade from 1840 to 1950 there was a drop of four months in the average age of menarche among Western European females. In Norway, girls born in 1840 had their menarche at an average age of 17 years. In France the average in 1840 was 15.3 years. In England the average in 1840 was 16.5 years. In Japan the decline happened later and was then more rapid: from 1945 to 1975 in Japan there was a drop of 11 months per decade.



Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:46:31 AM EST
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A range from "African-American girls" to "high altitude subsistence populations in Asia"  -- and it did not occur to the Wikipedia author that race is unlikely to be the factor here?...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:27:08 AM EST
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Both race and nutrition is a factor. That becomes apparent when you compare black and while american girls.

But I guess no one should be surprised when something is influenced both bu genes and the local environment, after all, what isn't?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:14:10 PM EST
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compare black and while american girls

How do you separate the effect of genes and different social situations?...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:57:44 PM EST
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By comparing people in the same social situation.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Nov 8th, 2009 at 03:17:35 PM EST
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Multivariate regression...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 8th, 2009 at 03:37:46 PM EST
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You don't do that by simly comparing "black and while american girls" -- not to mention black merican girls and "high altitude subsistence populations in Asia".

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Nov 9th, 2009 at 04:53:58 AM EST
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Starvid:
people started having sex a lot earlier a few hundred years ago (when people die at 30, they'd better)

Where did you get that from? Do you mean people started having sex before puberty?

As for "when people die at 30", that's a common misunderstanding of life expectancy at birth statistics. Life expectancy at birth of 40 (the most common figure quoted for Early Modern Europe) does not mean everyone dies at 40. It's an average, and the reason it's so low is infantile mortality. At birth, you had a fairly high chance of dying in the first week of life, (first year, first ten years). But if you got through to 30 you had a decent chance of reaching 60 or 70.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:59:28 AM EST
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Where did you get that from? Do you mean people started having sex before puberty?

No, that wouldn't make much sense, would it? But certainly earlier than the current 17. IIRC the age of consent was considerable lower in the olden days, in spite of people hitting puberty later than they do today, because of worse nutrition.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:09:32 AM EST
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We are discussing the UK, which has europe's highest teenage and underage preganncy rate.. by a long long way. So whether it's a majority or a minority, I suspect that the education isn't right and isn't early enough.

I remember a story about Blair going into talk to a load of 14 year olds in a school and he was talking up sex education under labour and the firls just laughed and said 6 girls in their class had had kids before the much-trumpeted sex education even happened.

Problem is that we don't copy countries who do it right. And the reason is cos our so-called anglo-saxon morality is offended by the idea of teaching kids about sex at an age where it might help. We wait until they're sort-of adult cos that's when parents want their kids to learn, when it's actually too late for immature children who've already done the experimenting. And some of them, too many of them, pay the price for that.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:56:22 AM EST
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In Colorado it's in 7th grade, which is generally 12 year olds. Even in the evangelical neighborhood schools the curriculum is pretty comprehensive...
by asdf on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:12:19 PM EST
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They can always buy them at the local supermarket.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:47:30 AM EST
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Parents are to lose the right to withdraw their child from sex education classes

Isn't anyone else bothered by this frame?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 04:25:17 AM EST
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EUobserver / 'Spice' and other 'legal drugs' on the rise in Europe

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - European drug manufacturers and dealers are becoming highly innovative and sophisticated in marketing legal alternatives to illicit drugs, such as 'spice', an annual report on the state of drugs in Europe shows.

While regular cannabis consumption is on the decline, a new trend, of 'legal' plant-based products with psychoactive effect is emerging, the European monitoring centre for drugs and drug addiction reports in its latest released data.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:53:03 PM EST
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Be afraid, be afraid !!!

Cue Government stupidity in huge measure. Moral panics aplenty . Sell ignorance, it'll be everywhere soon.

{sigh}

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:16:03 PM EST
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He who controls the spice...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:18:04 PM EST
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The Guild control the spice

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:19:55 PM EST
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Severe swine flu cases snowballing | Top News | Reuters

LONDON (Reuters) - The number of people needing hospital treatment for the H1N1 virus in England is "snowballing," although the rise in the overall number of estimated cases is slowing, health officials said on Thursday.

The Health Protection Agency (HPA) said there are now 848 patients in hospital with swine flu, of whom 172 are receiving critical care. In September, the number of swine flu patients in hospital was below 300.

Liam Donaldson, the chief medical officer, said the reason for the jump in severe cases was unknown, although the virus is not thought to have mutated.



Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:01:52 PM EST
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In Spain, the number of swine flu cases seems to be tripling each week.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:23:15 AM EST
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Got my vaccination this morning. My lungs are dodgy enough that a dose of flu is much more likely to do me damage than a vaccine is.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:30:19 AM EST
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I got a seasonal flu shot today.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:34:19 AM EST
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Cases are acceleration here as well.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:30:53 AM EST
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CBS News: A New Era for U.S. Drug Policy?
Ethan Nadelmann is feeling good. Really good.

As the founder and executive director of the Drug Policy Alliance, Nadelmann has long advocated for the liberalization of U.S. drug laws -- specifically, making marijuana legal, regulated and taxed and ending criminal penalties on the possession and use of all other drugs.

For most of that time the Alliance has been relegated to the fringe of serious policy discussions, a space long occupied - or so the stereotype goes - by radical libertarians and readers of the marijuana enthusiast magazine High Times.

But things are changing. The last few months are "the first time I've ever felt that the wind is at my back and not in my face," Nadelmann said. "There's a tremendous amount of momentum across the board."

Consider the developments of the last year. In March, Virginia Sen. Jim Webb introduced a bill calling for a wholesale overhaul of the criminal justice system in the United States. Our system is cripplingly large, he argued, and marred by wrongful incarcerations, poor rehabilitative treatment and mental health care and a price tag of $44 billion a year on prisons alone.


CBS has a pot central
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:35:34 PM EST
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Shooting at Fort Hood, TX | WaPo | 5 Nov 2009

A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, identified the dead gunman as Nidal Malik Hasan. The Army Times earlier this year reported that Hasan, a doctor in the Medical Corps, had been promoted to major. Army officials refused Thursday to identify anyone involved in the shootings.

According to records, Hasan had lived in Maryland and Virginia. He was assigned to Darnall Army Medical Center at Fort Hood at the time of the attack. CNN reported that Hasan was a mental health specialist and had previously practiced at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C.

Lt. Gen. Robert W. Cone, the commanding general of Fort Hood, said one gunman was shot at the processing center and that two others suspected of involvement were apprehended later.

hmmm

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 07:04:18 PM EST
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U.S. Army Psychiatrist Held | Bloomberg | 6 Nov 2009

An Army psychiatrist is under guard in a Texas hospital after being accused of killing 13 people and wounding 30 others in one of the worst mass shootings at a U.S. military base.

Major Nidal Malik Hasan opened fire on fellow soldiers with two handguns at the Fort Hood Army Base yesterday afternoon before he was shot several times, Lieutenant General Robert Cone, the commander of III Corps at the base, told reporters.

"He is currently in custody and in a stable condition," said Cone, adding authorities initially believed the assailant had been killed. "As horrible as this was, I think it could have been much worse." ...

a communication formula, historical motif. BTW, who are the other perps?

The suspect came to the attention of authorities six months ago because of Internet postings discussing suicide bombings and other threats, AP reported, citing unidentified law enforcement officials.

Suicide Bombers

One of the Web postings equated suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades, according to the report. Officials are trying to confirm whether Hasan was the author of the postings, the news service said.

HMMMMMMMMMM

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:19:26 AM EST
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Wasn't he dead yesterday?

I realise it's not always easy to know if someone is dead or alive, especially if they're running around killing people, and they're Muslim too.

But it's a bit odd to be getting news reports of fatal shootage yesterday, and then being told the shooter is alive and well today - especially when the perp was 'shot multiple times' in an army camp, surrounded by professionals with weapons.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:06:38 AM EST
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No weapons. Only the MPs carry weapons except on active service, as I understand it.

As for inaccurate reported, well, that's a real shock, isn't it?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:14:57 AM EST
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Call me naive - no, really - but I'd have expected army medics to have a better grip on whether people who are oozing blood from multiple gunshot wounds are alive or dead.

It was, by all accounts, the army reporting that was incorrect.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 11:22:35 AM EST
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More fun than astro-bingo, more pertinent than VR-clip since, after all, 2008 marks the nadir of the IP intelligence. Choose one board to play.

Manchurian Candidate (1962)
Manchurian Candidate (2004)
The Bourne Identity (2002)
The Bourne Identity Crisis (2003)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 10:18:56 AM EST
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The Other Perps? | Telegraph | 6 Nov 2009

Ten of the victims were soldiers and one was a civilian police officer. Two other injured soldiers were in a "very serious" condition in hospital.

Gun fire later erupted around the base as two alleged accomplices, also US soldiers, were captured and police said there may have been more than one gunman.

One of them had barricaded himself in a traumatic brain injury unit where he was surrounded by SWAT teams. Four police officers were wounded before he was arrested.

BTW, when did army property become FBI jurisdiction?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 07:38:45 AM EST
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via Kevin

CNN: senior officer at golf course 2.5 mi from base witnessed the arrest of a suspect.

DJ wire: A second gunman is in custody after a shooting ... The report comes about two hours after a first suspect was captured, shortly after gunfire broke out.

ABC: Two other soldiers were taken into custody but were later released.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:55:22 AM EST
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Murdoch's plan for web pay walls 'raises questions of anti-trust law' | Media | guardian.co.uk
Questions over competition in the media industry have been raised by Rupert Murdoch's admission that News Corporation is talking to other organisations about its plans to introduce web charging.

Murdoch this week admitted that it is proving harder than expected to introduce charges for readers browsing his newspaper websites and that News Corp may miss a target of next June for the introduction of so-called "pay walls" at papers including the Sun, the Times, the New York Post and the Australian.

The initiative, which has divided the industry, is an attempt to recalibrate the business model for struggling print media businesses.



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 09:22:45 AM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 



Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:15:28 AM EST
I guess this goes under People.

Thanks, Fran, for the link on such an interesting painter. I didn't know of him, and having looked through the slide show am ready to pack up and go visit Romania. Very nice work.

by Mnemosyne on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:08:57 PM EST
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