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I'm quite sure it's today.

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by Nomad on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 10:14:04 AM EST
You can buy god it's MondaySunday
Slither down the greasy pipe
So far so good no one saw you
Hobble over any freeway
You will be like your dreams tonight


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:22:31 AM EST
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I'm considering upgrading my biochem/organic chem textbook library and the site Amazon.com comes to mind as a source.  Has anyone here actually used Amazon?  Any horror stories?  Do's and Don't's?

BTW, I just "borrowed" my neighbor's copy of Victoria's Secret Christmas Specials Catalog 2009 Vol.1 and I think I know Victoria's secret.  It's a 4 membered steroid ring named testosterone.  Aaaah, biochem.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 10:42:10 AM EST
I use Amazon loads and sometimes import from the US if it isn't available through the UK site.  Never had any problems apart from one book that wasn't as pristine as they had claimed but was still entirely fine.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 10:57:43 AM EST
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Amazon's quick, easy-to-use, reliable (though I haven't ordered much from the US site).

To search for a work, try Bookfinder.com.

For second-hand books, AbeBooks is good.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 12:04:28 PM EST
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I found it very reliable until my last order where for some reason they decided they couldn't be bothered and simply refunded my money without explanation. then they asked me to review the product they hadn't sent me.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 12:45:50 PM EST
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A book? Or another type of product? And from Amazon or an affiliate (Marketplace)?

Not that I want to fight for big corporate Amazon...

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:07:12 PM EST
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A CD and from amazon. I made one large order of about 10 CDs. they announced it was coming in 3 parts. First two arrived (5CDs) but the third was in preparation and then ah can't be arsed.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:16:36 PM EST
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This isn't necessarily Amazon's fault. They have three classes of items - 'in stock' which means what it says, 'due soon', which usually also means what it says, and 'ships in X weeks', which means 'Don't hold your breath, because the distributor probably doesn't have any.'

I've never had a problem getting the first two delivered, either from Amazon or the marketplace.

I've never had anything in the last class turn up at all, so I just ignore that category when I put in an order.

The only time Amazon misdelivered was when I ordered some books about Buddhism from the US, and they sent me some Harry Potter hardbacks instead.

I got to keep the Harry Potter, and they resent the original order without complaining.

I don't think they're a great company or particularly good to work for, but they seem adequately competent as an online retailer, so I wouldn't worry about buying from them if it's something that's not available locally.

Tragically, they're almost always cheaper than my local bookshop, which can get most things delivered next day, but charges a lot for the privilege.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 01:50:02 PM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
they're almost always cheaper than my local bookshop,

Mine too. "Local" for me is a 50 km round trip, too. And unfortunately the bookseller does the sustaining part of his trade on school books, and so tunes his opening hours to teachers' availability. I was outside his shop at 10 am last Saturday, it wasn't open yet... So I order books on Internet.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:10:24 PM EST
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I use Amazon as a portal to a whole group of used bookstores who use Amazon for access. Just check the xxn used at $ entries, and you get a list of stores selling the title used. There is a marketing technique being used more and more of selling used books for very low prices, like .99 or 1.99 with shipping charges of $3.99, and since many of the books I am looking for are obscure, this works for me.
by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:13:42 PM EST
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Amazon is one of my lifelines, as it is 120 miles to Springfield MO, where is the nearest Barnes & Noble etc. The selection on Amazon is much larger than most book stores and the site combines the advantages of a new and used book store. I have bought one used book on a link from Amazon that was listed as excellent to very good, but that had some underlining. But usually the higher rated used books are virtually like new.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 08:41:02 PM EST
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Don't combine an order from a third-party merchant with one from the main store, and then decide to change to another credit card halfway. Their software then generates two orders to the former. When you mail a complaint, they deny this can happen, and when you followup with a detailed description of the unusual circumstances that resulted in this bug you don't get a reply (which may have helped with getting my credit card company to cancel the charge...)

I haven't ordered anything from them since.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 06:22:01 AM EST
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For political reasons, I prefer sourcing books locally or directly from the publisher even if it turns out being more expensive. Only if time is of the essence I'll order from Amazon or other online retailers.

In the US, Powell's is good.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 06:29:16 AM EST
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I was doing a sponsored walk for my charity today. It always, always rains.  We did brave a walk around the park - usually we cheat and walk around the museum.  The best bit was by all 30 or so of us piling into the pub afterwards for lunch.  
But the weather is fairly atrocious.  It even hailed on the way home.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:00:26 AM EST
The best bit was by all 30 or so of us piling into the pub ...

Paging Helen.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:03:30 AM EST
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although there are some good pubs in Cardiff, I doubt that the one they picked would be one I'd endorse.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:12:18 AM EST
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Wetherspoons. cough

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:01:50 PM EST
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Hmm, some good, some bad and a lot so-so

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:19:59 PM EST
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We were only there for the food.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:32:45 PM EST
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Ales well that ends well?

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 02:33:20 PM EST
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A friend wrote a long article about Transgender Day of Remembrance and how certain "Christian" communities had coincidentally chosen this day of all days to to announce how their freedom of conscience is more important than our rights.

It is clear that they regard as part of that freedom of conscience the right to hate speech against LGBT people and discrimination against us in employment, housing and other areas. They regard us as intrinsically inferior and to be treated - compassionately of course - as such. Any attempt to oblige them to treat us as equal is claimed, explicitly, in this manifesto as an abridgement of their freedom of conscience.

however, I was very struck by something she wrote towards the end of the essay;-

One of the reasons why I progressively detest the institution of organized religion as opposed to the simple faith of many actual believers is that endless talking about God and sacred scriptures and what they demand so often leads to mistreatment of actual human beings in the name of righteousness.

and it struck me that you could substitute "freedom and democracy" (Freeman Moxy h/t Steve Bell) for organised religion and end up with a similar sentiment.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:17:46 AM EST


Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:26:27 AM EST
I'm unclear on the novelty of this.  People have been dynamically overlaying video onto 3d models for a decade or more.  Indeed it is not too hard to interpolate between sufficiently close videos to change the vantage point (rather than the clumsy cross fade used in this).  And the idea of adding live video to google earth is something that my mother has thought of (we like to joke 'I can't see you on google earth dear, can you wave?').

3 or so years ago people were automatically generating the 3d montages directly from the photo data off flickr or whatever.

A nice video, but hardly ground breaking.

by njh on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:46:37 PM EST
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Earth Destroyed By Large Hadron Collider; Martian Questioned | GeekDad | Wired.com
In a stunning piece of astronomical news, the planet Sol III -- better known as "Earth" -- has been completely obliterated. In connection with this sudden catastrophe, authorities have questioned a resident of neighboring planet Sol IV (Mars), who is known to have made threats against Earth in the past. This questioning is thought by many to be a formality, as most sources indicate that the destruction was caused by a foolhardy group of scientists in central Europe.


Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:27:22 AM EST
Cheney is a martian !!?? Whodda thunkit ? I thought he was from Uranus.

and the punditocracy must be from Sirius.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:45:55 AM EST
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Apparently the Magic Space Daddy is punishing Notre Dame's football team for having had Obama speak at the school.

Forgetting, of course, that the Fighting Irish -- none of whom are actually Irish, 70% of whom are black Protestants -- haven't played a decent season of football in 20 years.

God is also apparently not aware that likely-National Champion Texas Longhorns did the same thing:



WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:38:26 AM EST
Further: Since Brigham Young had a better record than Notre Dame, does that mean Albany Jesus trumps Bethlehem Jesus?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 11:58:35 AM EST
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Is it the Longhorns that have the cowshit-coloured jerseys?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 03:12:09 PM EST
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It's "burnt orange."

Karen in Austin, soon to be Traunwalchen

Thence comes our true nobility by grace, It was not willed us with our rank and place. Chaucer

by Wife of Bath (priceluda at grandecom dot net) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 05:37:39 PM EST
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I have a suit that colour

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:46:23 PM EST
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From the '80s?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 08:52:44 PM EST
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No from 2006. its a bit tight round the waist now, but I went into an end of line store to find a suit, and spotted it while walking round. A £600 Italian suit for £50. decided that I really couldnt buy it, that I should buy something sensible instead so left it.

Two weeks later on my next shopping trip, while still looking for a suit, I popped into the same shop, to find it marked down to £10. and at that price I just had to have it

It was always good for when management were being insistant on Suits for work. A couple of days of my suit and they would go back to allowing us to wear what we wished.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 07:47:51 AM EST
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LOL! Just for such situations one should also have a striped jacket and plaid pants. A four or five inch wide tie wouldn't hurt either.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 10:32:02 AM EST
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I just knew I'd offend somebody with that! ;)

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 05:02:06 AM EST
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does this mean you're moving to europe ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 06:49:46 AM EST
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What kinda malnourished cows do y'all have there? ;)

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:15:09 PM EST
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Mad ones?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 05:02:26 AM EST
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I thought that was the Brits?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 06:12:33 PM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 04:40:52 PM EST
How cool! Where can we get some?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Nov 23rd, 2009 at 03:18:26 AM EST
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Please forgive my stupidity, but what the hell, it's 1971 and I'm just a sophomore in college.

Ready ?!!!

This is all a hallucinogenic dream I'm having after I just had my first "experience" with pot (I'll be told later that it was "laced" with something).

You'd think "the polar caps are melting", in true Twilight Zone fashion, would have tipped me off but I'm kind of slow and this is ONLY A DREAM !!!

What just tipped me off?  Watching the end of the Kansas City Chiefs/Steelers football game and the winning field goal in overtime came from ... get this ... a dude named Ryan Succop (pronounced Suck Up !!).

And "blogging" with people in Europe over "the internet" ??? Where did my subconscious come up with that one?  Too much comic books, I guess.  

Oh yeah.  And a tranny named Helen.  What does THAT tell you about how my brain functions?

That did it.  I've heard/seen enough.  How do I wake up?  Somebody slap me!!  Pour a bucket of water on me.  I don't care.  End this weird improbable dream.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 04:47:19 PM EST
Umm, hate to be picky but tranny isn't a good way to describe me. Tranny is kind of the 'N' word, used by those who deride us. Trans is the catch all that's preferred.

Yes, I have referred to myself as a tranny in the past. But there was a certain irony involved in that that I could do but which has darker connotations from others. However, I do not use that word anymore, I've had my nose rubbed in it by too many people for me to be amused by it.

And certainly NOT today, on Transgender Day of Remembrance, where trans people all around the world remember those who were murdered in the last year simply because they were trans or who committed suicide because they could no longer bear the rejection and isolation from the rest of society, both straight and, sadly too often, gay.

I'm sure you were being light hearted. I appreciate the intent. But please don't use that again.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 05:10:46 PM EST
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I just got through taking a shower and I find my "computer" (right out of Star Trek.  Surprised it doesn't talk to me in Gene Roddenbury's wife's voice) is chastising me over my verbiage.

Yup, it's a dream all right. Although, during my shower, I figured out that this "dream" is the "powers that be"'s (whatever the hell that is) way of warning me about what MIGHT happen to this planet if I don't do something.  And the Viet Nam war is still on.  And get this.  My subconscious comes up with a new Viet Nam in a place call Afghanistan.  How unoriginal of me.  You'd think I could come up with Invaders From Mars or something.

Slap me.  Slap me.  Slap me.

(P.S. If this ISN"T a dream, sorry Helen.  My bad.)

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 05:40:39 PM EST
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Rah, rah, rah.  Very funny.  (Tonight I am going to kill you.)

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By popular request ... Madness takes it's toll. Have exact change ready.

by ATinNM on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 05:47:02 PM EST
I never would've figured you for a Bungles fan.  A rare good time to be one this year, especially since the Yinzers lost today.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:16:41 PM EST
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I'm not.  I just liked the expression on the cat's face.

By popular request ... Madness takes it's toll. Have exact change ready.
by ATinNM on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:21:19 PM EST
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Ah, okay.  Fair enough.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Nov 22nd, 2009 at 06:28:32 PM EST
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