Day After Yesterday Open Thread

by afew
Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 10:41:10 AM EST

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Correct me if I'm wrong, o nitpickers, hairsplitters, fly-buggers, comma-fuckers, currant-crappers and other pedantic maniacs.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 10:43:31 AM EST
Technically, tomorrow will also be a day after yesterday, so your opening title is at best ambiguous.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 10:45:38 AM EST
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Define "technically".

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 10:51:29 AM EST
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I thought we had settled on "Today Open Thread" as a generic title...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 10:55:45 AM EST
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I'm feeling bolshy. No groupthink for me.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:11:26 AM EST
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That was yesterday.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:36:31 AM EST
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your input on the use of amazon.com, etc. a few days ago.

One more question on the same topic.  I did some buying on Ebay about 10 years ago and, at that time, they put you in direct contact with the seller in terms of billing.  I notice that Amazon takes credit card numbers.  Does this mean that Amazon plays middle man in money exchange; I pay Amazon and Amazon pays the bookseller?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:32:34 AM EST
Yes, you pay Amazon,and Amazon pays the seller.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:35:26 AM EST
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What's Amazon's cut?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:43:55 AM EST
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in the UK it comes to 86p plus 17.25% of the  transaction for VAT

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:04:06 PM EST
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Thank you.  Now for another topic.

I was in the Sac State library yesterday and I breezed through a current copy of Newsweek ... haven't touched one in years.  I once had respect for the mag but this issue seemed like a piece of crap compared to my state-of-knowledge produced by visiting ET regularly.

Any comments?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 11:43:59 AM EST
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THE Twank:
I once had respect for the mag

Well, that sure dates one, doesn't it? ;)

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:02:42 PM EST
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I don't know.  Does it?  To when?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:10:30 PM EST
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Damn. I posted my reply here.

I'm obviously 2 dense 2 thread tonight. Sorry.

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:24:58 PM EST
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Same with The Economist, Der Spiegel, and any number of periodicals the conventional wisdom of 10 years ago considered authoritative.

I am not sure whether they have deteriorated or I have become a radical...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:41:31 PM EST
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We're all radicals now...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:57:22 PM EST
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No, I rarely read it, yet friends swore by it, so I picked it up 3 weeks in succession and couldn't believe the reactionary ill-informed twaddle I was reading. ET does kinda spoil you as far as the tradmed go.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:42:52 PM EST
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Hard to say exactly. I remember picking up a copy on one of my sporadic returns to the Homeland after not having read it for years, and realizing that it was no better than Time (and upon a magazine I have no greater scorn to pour).

That must have been, idunno, early 90s?

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:22:35 PM EST
O crap. That was supposed to go here.

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:23:47 PM EST
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BBC: We won't charge for online news | Media | guardian.co.uk

The BBC has today said it has "no intention" of charging for online news, in a declaration that is unlikely to please James Murdoch and his father Rupert as they prepare to start charging for News Corporation content on the internet.

Sir Michael Lyons, the BBC Trust chairman, said the corporation has "no intention of diluting BBC commitment to universal access to free news online" as he outlined the areas director general Mark Thompson's ongoing strategic review will cover.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:28:13 PM EST
Is there any News Corp content that will even be missed? Even Murdoch's 'non-political' brands, and I use that description loosely, such as The Times and the Wall Street Journal are suspect (e.g. [Murdoch Alert] ).

How can firewalling his content accomplish anything but bilk his true believers out of their money? Will the rest of us notice even its absence? I so rarely go to News Corp for anything now as it is.

by Magnifico on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:18:06 PM EST
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I quite enjoy Matthew Parris' columns in the Times. Quite the most civilised and humane conservative I've read.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:29:33 PM EST
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But that's opinion, not news. The New York Times experimented with hiding their opinion writers behind the subscription firewall and it didn't work. If there is one thing the Internet is not lacking is people with opinions.

For news, News Corp news is tainted. Their opinions, when not masquerading as news, are what they are. But hardly, I think, worth purchasing.

by Magnifico on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:54:03 PM EST
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That's the point, I thought. This news calls for a celebration.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:38:35 PM EST
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Commemorating my boss, who was Welsh, by the way!
Call for Papers and Panels:
Freedom and Power in the Caribbean: The Work of Gordon K. Lewis UWI, Mona,
June 3-5 2010

The Centre for Caribbean Thought (CCT) UWI, Mona, in association with Africana Studies at Brown University and the Institute of Caribbean Studies, University of Puerto Rico, Rio Piedras is proud to host the VIIth Caribbean Reasonings Conference entitled Freedom and Power in the Caribbean: the Work of Gordon K. Lewis, to be held June 3-5, 2010 at the University of the West
Indies, Mona. Professor Gordon K. Lewis, (1919 - 1991) taught for many years at the University of Puerto Rico and wrote path-breaking books on the Caribbean's history, politics and intellectual development. Texts such as Puerto Rico: Freedom and Power in the Caribbean (1963), The Growth of the Modern West Indies (1968), and Main Currents in Caribbean Thought: the
historical evolution of Caribbean society in its ideological aspects (1983), exemplify the breadth of his interests as well as the range and quality of
his output.

Lewis' work transcended the region's linguistic fragmentation and was consistent with the view that "No one could really claim to be a full practitioner in Caribbean Studies until he came to write ultimately, on the Caribbean as a whole." (Main Currents in Caribbean Thought, (1983) Maingot,
introduction vi).  This conference in 2010 will reopen inter-territorial networks to enable studies across language barriers, a goal the Centre for Caribbean Thought has articulated and continues to realize since 2001 through several conferences and the "Caribbean Reasonings" book series with Ian Randle Publishers. It will also seek to introduce the seminal work of
Gordon K. Lewis to a new generation of young scholars, interested in moving beyond constricting national barriers, in order to study the region in its entirety.

There is limited space on the conference programme for individual papers and panels, thus we are suggesting that proposals that fall within the following broad categories will be given serious consideration:

1.      Critical examination of Gordon K. Lewis's scholarship, particularly The Growth of the Modern West Indies; Main Currents in Caribbean Thought;
Puerto Rico: Freedom and Power in the Caribbean; and Grenada: the Jewel Despoiled.

  1.      Critical work on the present state and the future of social sciences research in the Caribbean, with particular emphasis on pan-Caribbean research and inter-disciplinary studies.
  2.      Critical exploration of the state of Caribbean Thought in the contemporary period beyond Lewis' assessment in Main Currents in Caribbean Thought
  3.      The state of politics in the Caribbean, forty years beyond The Growth of the Modern West Indies.
  4.      The existential condition of Caribbean Intellectuals and intellectualism in the 21st century.
  5.      Reflections on the Grenada Revolution and Lewis's assessment of its collapse in Grenada: the Jewel Despoiled.
  6.      Critical reflection on the state and status of Puerto Rico, beyond Lewis' analysis in Puerto Rico: Freedom and Power in the Caribbean.
  7.      Critical analysis of the state and future of Pan Caribbeanism and integration movements.
  8.      Sports, culture and the future of Caribbean unity.

Abstracts should be sent as a Word attachment to Beverley Sutherland Lewis
at: cct@uwimona.edu.jm


"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 12:42:21 PM EST
A good diary about a macro-economic reality that many of us forget

To break out of this losing game, we must realize - we must RESOLVE -  that, to coin a phrase, the Economy is made by  and for us, and not us for the economy.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:28:28 PM EST
I don't have anything insightful or interesting to say. I'm just glad you all are here.  Thanks....
by the stormy present (stormypresent aaaaaaat gmail etc) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:44:39 PM EST
You don't know how glad we are that you're here, stormy.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:59:50 PM EST
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I dream of having something insightful to say.

But, like afew, I'm glad you're hear to not say it too

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:40:55 PM EST
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I have to head to campus in a little bit.

Just got a phone call from one of my students, Jaspol, who's taking intro chem, an engineering major.  He started off poorly before hiring me and has been playing catch up ever since.

He had a test today, last major one before finals.  He's thrilled, giddy almost.  He got an 87 out of 100 and now wants to do a double session tomorrow in prep for the final in a couple weeks.  He's also lobbying for sessions on Thurs. and Fri. this week when the library's closed for Thanksgiving.  

Fun is fun, the $'s good, but sometimes some of my students tend to go overboard.  That's it.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 01:55:41 PM EST
That's not overboard, being giddy when you hit 87% after thinking you weren't making it, that's a life-changer. Good work, Twank.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:02:58 PM EST
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Yup, and Megan will be a full-blown nurse in a little over 3 months.  How time flies.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:07:42 PM EST
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Koenigsegg backs out of Saab deal

A group headed by Swedish sports car maker Koenigsegg has broken off negotiations over the purchase of Saab Automobile, the prospective buyer has said.

"We regret that, after six months of intensive and goal-oriented work, we have come to the painful and difficult conclusion that we are not going to be able to carry out the acquisition of Saab Automobile," said company chief Christian von Koenigsegg in a statement.

The collapse leaves thousands of jobs in western Sweden at risk - as well as the 4,000 people employed at the plant, many thousands of people work at Saab's suppliers. Tens of thousands around the world are employed in Saab dealerships.

Speaking to Swedish news agency TT, von Koenigsegg added that the deal had collapsed because it had taken too long to reach agreement:

"The way things look right now, we cannot complete the deal. The timeframe is unpredictable, there are too many processes that need to fall into place in parallel. Time has dragged on and not everyone has kept up.

[...]

Koenigsegg announced in September that it had teamed up with Beijing Automotive Industry Holding Co Ltd (BAIC) to buy Saab from GM.

But it still needed a a €400 million ($600 million) loan from the European Investment Bank and wanted the Swedish government to act as a guarantor.

[...]

Koenigsegg Group takes its name from sportscar maker Koenigsegg Automotive, which was founded in 1994, has just 45 employees and produces 18 high-end sports cars a year at more than a million euros ($1.4 million) each. Koenigsegg Automotive is a minority shareholder in Koenigsegg Group, with other shareholders including BAIC, von Koenigsegg's holding company Alpraaz and Norwegian businessman Bård Eker.

US businessman Mark Bishop, who was a shareholder when Koenigsegg Group was founded in June, is understood to have since sold his share in the company.

[...]


This has been a complex game which has been very badly covered by the fawning media. Basically Koenigsegg has been screwing around, maybe to get PR, maybe to gorge themselves on taxpayer money (that's certainly why Mr. Bishop involved himself), while the government has done it's best to not give out loans or loan guarantees to SAAB, while looking like they try to do just that so as not to be blamed for being the one who gave SAAB the mercy bullet.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:07:36 PM EST
Of course they've been diddling around. If I was considering acquiring a bankrupt auto maker with a capacity of 100 - 150k vehicles, and I had just 45 employees a production of 18 units and a gross revenue of €18m, I'd get real hesitant real fast. Subsidies or no, they probably would have had to take on a lot of bubble-style debt to make it run. To me this sounds like sounds like a last-minute attack of good sense on Koenigsegg's part.

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 03:57:18 PM EST
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LA Times: The zeppelin returns to L.A. skies, after 80 years

The last time something like this was seen in Los Angeles was 1929, when the Graf Zeppelin dropped in on Westchester's Mines Field before starting its nonstop Pacific crossing during its record-setting around-the-world flight...

The 246-foot zeppelin, called the Eureka, can carry 13 passengers and a crew of two. Those on board have views of landmarks through giant plexiglass windows that line all sides of its cabin. So far, the Eureka has made four trips to Los Angeles, and its operators plan more for next year, starting with a two-week visit in mid-January...

A half-hour trip costs $199; a two-hour flight, $950. A daylong excursion between Los Angeles and San Francisco runs $1,500.

A worthwhile video of the Zeppelin NT at the LA Times link. Katharine Board is "the only female Zeppelin pilot in the world."

by Magnifico on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:23:24 PM EST
but john bonham's still dead ...!!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:39:40 PM EST
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by Magnifico on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 02:46:59 PM EST
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however much you love a drummer, 70s drum solos really just went on too long without achieving anything. They should have had a taiko, that'd have been something..

I heard that nick Hornby went to the 75 concert and went out for a beer during the drum solo. I was there but didn't. that concert was the loudest i ever saw.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 03:11:00 PM EST
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I did 1.5 hours of live local radio tonight. About a 35 year old album - interview and tracks - with my old pal, blues brother and former tour manager of the band, Joke Linnamaa. Max Ahava was our enthusiastic host and dispensed glög and christmas tarts.

I do love radio. Especially radio drama, or music with Peelish information. It's a hot medium. And this local radio station is manned by community volunteers in an old shop in one of the friskier areas of Helsinki. There's a budo shop next door. Radio still has plenty of life in it as a community building tool - and is happily being rediscovered in Finland.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 03:46:50 PM EST
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budo shop ??

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 04:20:50 PM EST
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Selling martial arts gear.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 25th, 2009 at 02:20:21 AM EST
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A sci-fi ish BBC program  just had the  line

"Why did good create economists?....

To make weathermen look good"

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 04:26:08 PM EST
Oh god, you're actually watching it. I just dismissed it as a Tamzin Outhwaite vehidle concocted out of nothing. Isn't it minority report only taller?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 04:50:02 PM EST
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No I just moved out of range of the laptop and music while I ate, But the ten minutes I saw were fairly risible

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Nov 24th, 2009 at 04:53:15 PM EST
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