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Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:00:12 AM EST

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Sadly we've had diaries today that have stolen the most promising discussion topics. Still, I'll posdt this to see if there's a reaction.

Lyon to smash Liverpool tonight ???

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:24:35 AM EST
Sadly?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:25:50 AM EST
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Hmm, yes I see. Sorry about that.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:33:21 PM EST
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By the way, I´m rooting for Liverpool.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:38:13 PM EST
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Well, the spanish connection makes sense.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:53:14 PM EST
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Plus, it's Jonathan's favourite team (and not because of me)...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:56:04 PM EST
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shame on you !! He was brought up in the shadow of Leyton Orient's ground. He should be supporting them.

Anyway, Gerrard is injured and Torres is walking wounded. Without those two Liverpool don't really have a team, so Lyon should make mincemeat of them.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:25:51 PM EST
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I know, but I never got around to taking him to an Orient game...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:43:24 PM EST
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So, how many liverpool games did you take him to ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:46:11 PM EST
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None, I said it wasn't because of me :P

The story is he once went to a half-term vacation football school run by (surprise) the Leyton Orient and the last day they had them play a little tournament and they assigned them Premiership teams and his team got labelled "Liverpool"... Young boys are apparently very impressionable :P

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:57:46 PM EST
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Composers and singers from seven countries in Asia, Europe, and Latin America have been flocking this week to Havana's 13th Festival of Contemporary Music. The festival began on October 30 and will end on November 8. The organizing committee has confirmed the presence of musicians from Argentina, Denmark, Mexico, Spain, Germany, Japan, and of course, Cuba.


"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:32:25 AM EST

Goldman's Q3 results: zero negative days: 36 (out of 65) days they make more than $100m.....

...what can one say?

Never was so much piss taken out of so many by so few.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:45:49 AM EST
Ooops...

...misread it. One day they lost less than $25m

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:49:25 AM EST
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I have seen our future,...

and it is CALL CENTER!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:46:41 AM EST
HAVANA, Cuba (Reuters) -- Russian state oil company Zarubezhneft signed contracts with Cuba on Tuesday to search for oil along Cuba's northern coast and said it was looking at procuring more areas for exploration in a step forward for the island's oil hopes.

Zarubezhneft signed up with state-owned Cuba Petroleos for four almost contiguous blocks, two onshore and two offshore in the Gulf of Mexico just east of Cuba's most prolific oil field in Varadero.

PORLAMAR, Venezuela (Reuters) -- Venezuela's energy minister on Tuesday lowered the South American OPEC member's 2015 oil capacity target by 13 percent, but remained upbeat on expansion overall, especially in the Orinoco heavy oil belt.

Rafael Ramirez told an oil conference on the island of Margarita that Venezuela's capacity should rise from 3.0 million barrels per day now to 4.25 million bpd by 2015.

SAN ANTONIO, Venezuela (Reuters) -- Venezuelan soldiers blocked the main border crossing with Colombia on Tuesday after President Hugo Chavez's government said paramilitaries were behind the killing of two soldiers.

In the latest violence in an often lawless region between the Andean neighbors, a gang of four men on motorbikes ambushed and shot dead the Venezuelan soldiers at a checkpoint in western Tachira state on Monday.

LA CEIBA: Garifuna leader Céleo Alvarez Casildo recognizes that the imminent restitution of President Manuel Zelaya Rosales is an important step toward returning peace to the nation, but he says that the crisis isn't totally resolved.

"The simple fact that there is a written agreement between parties in conflict really doesn't resolve the crisis that inflicts the Honduran people," said the leader, who was national president of the Medical Workers Union (Sitramedhys) in the 1980s.



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:02:51 PM EST
"The simple fact that there is a written agreement between parties in conflict really doesn't resolve the crisis that inflicts the Honduran people"

Exactly! Zelaya was frustrated in his attempts to make any significant reforms, will, at best, be reinstated for a symbolic 3 months, and the powers that be in the US and Honduras will most likely insure that his successor is "reliable." Honduras would do well to follow Costa Rica's example and abolish the military. It serves little positive purpose for the Honduran PEOPLE.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:19:26 PM EST
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The history, such as I know it, of the Police in Latin and South America doesn't give a lot of hope they would be any different.  Too many of them have reached "advanced" training by the US.

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready
by ATinNM on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:03:20 PM EST
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Snooping user traffic for copyright infringement is America's idea and the EU seem to be okay with that.

IDG: Trade Talks Hone in on Internet Abuse and ISP Liability

ISPs around the world may be forced to snoop on their subscribers and cut them off if they are found to have shared copyright-protected music on the Internet, under an international agreement being promoted by the U.S.

Countries including Japan, Canada, South Korea, Australia as well as the European Union and U.S. have been negotiating an anticounterfeiting trade agreement (ACTA) over the past two years to combat the growing problem of counterfeit products ranging from designer clothes to downloadable music...

Under existing laws in the U.S., the E.U. and elsewhere, ISPs are granted immunity from prosecution for illegal activities carried out by subscribers across their networks. This new global trade agreement appears to contradict the legal status quo, said Michael Geist, a law professor at Ottawa University, Canada.

This provision would mean that every country that signs up to ACTA must allow content owners such as record companies and Hollywood studios to sue ISPs for failing to stop their subscribers from illegally sharing copyright-protected material such as music and movies...

Europe appears willing to back up the U.S.'s plans to make ISPs more liable for the content on their networks, according to Joe McNamee, European affairs specialist for Digital Rights Europe, a free speech and privacy pressure group.

The prevailing E.U. law on the matter of ISP liability is the e-commerce directive, which grants service providers protection from prosecution as long as they are just the conduit and not involved with the sender or receiver of illegal content.

by Magnifico on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:44:59 PM EST
Putting the Pieces Together | Michael Geist | 3 Nov 2009

The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement negotiations continue in a few hours as Seoul, Korea plays host to the latest round of talks.  The governments have posted the meeting agenda, which unsurprisingly focuses on the issue of Internet enforcement [UPDATE 11/4: Post on discussions for day two of ACTA talks, including the criminal enforcement provisions].  The United States has drafted the chapter under enormous secrecy, with selected groups granted access under strict non-disclosure agreements and other countries (including Canada) given physical, watermarked copies designed to guard against leaks.

Despite the efforts to combat leaks, information on the Internet chapter has begun to emerge (just as they did with the other elements of the treaty).  Sources say that the draft text, modeled on the U.S.-South Korea free trade agreement, focuses on following five issues:

  1. Baseline obligations inspired by Article 41 of the TRIPs which focuses on the enforcement of intellectual property.

  2. A requirement to establish third-party liability for copyright infringement....

The Internet chapter raises two additional issues.  On the international front, it provides firm confirmation that the treaty is not a counterfeiting trade, but a copyright treaty.  These provisions involve copyright policy as no reasonable definition of counterfeiting would include these kinds of provisions.  On the domestic front, it raises serious questions about the Canadian negotiation mandate.  Negotations from Foreign Affairs are typically constrained by either domestic law, a bill before the House of Commons, or the negotiation mandate letter.  Since these provisions dramatically exceed current Canadian law and are not found in any bill presently before the House, Canadians should be asking whether the negotiation mandate letter has envisioned such dramatic changes to domestic copyright law.  When combined with the other chapters that include statutory damages, search and seizure powers for border guards, anti-camcording rules, and mandatory disclosure of personal information requirements, it is clear that there is no bigger IP issue today than the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement being negotiated behind closed doors this week in Korea....

Possibly related news:
Europe, Price Competition

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:15:11 PM EST
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Cat:
and other countries (including Canada) given physical, watermarked copies designed to guard against leaks.

Because it's not possible to scan the paper and post a PDF of the text to Wikileaks.

Copyright legislation protected by watermarks?

Mmmm - freshly grilled postmodern.

Meanwhile - will the Tories be howling at the moon about the loss of national sovereignty created by this insult to the UK's existing copyright legislation?

Or is it a case of IOKWAMDI? (It's okay when America does it?)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:57:42 PM EST
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is it a case of IOKWAMDI? (It's okay when America does it?)

Totally. Hey, nothing is more desirable among the British politcal class than an idea that has demonstrably failed in the US.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 02:11:40 PM EST
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Because it's not possible to scan the paper and post a PDF of the text to Wikileaks.

the usual methid is not watermarks, but more slight changes in the text, so each copy is individual and can be identified.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 02:22:21 PM EST
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re: watermarked copies designed to guard against leaks

That is a funny non sequitur! Perhaps the writer wanted to describe some thing altogether different (for example, security features, engraved to foil [BWAH] reproduction of the document. Non-repro emulsion polymerized paper, ink, or nanoWTF, bebe.) but conceded either to discretion or ignorance. Hellifino.

What is or are the UK's existing copyright protection(s)? If you sorted that from EU directives, I must have missed that.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 02:32:39 PM EST
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A job offer at HuffPo

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:45:08 PM EST
Thanks. I wonder if working at HuffPo would make me part of the problem or part of the solution?
by Magnifico on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 12:56:14 PM EST
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Le Canard Enchaîné mentioned Stop Blair in today's edition (which I have not seen yet).

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 01:23:51 PM EST
MILAN - An Italian judge on Wednesday convicted 23 Americans in absentia of the 2003 kidnapping of an Egyptian cleric from a Milan street, in a landmark case involving the CIA's extraordinary rendition program in the war on terrorism.

Citing diplomatic immunity, Judge Oscar Magi told the Milan courtroom Wednesday that he was acquitting three other Americans.

Former Milan CIA station chief, Robert Seldon Lady, received eight years in prison. The other 22 convicted American defendants each received a five-year sentence.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 02:05:06 PM EST
And the Italian secret service was completely unaware of this activity in their midst...
by asdf on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 11:36:28 PM EST
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Unlikely.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:14:47 AM EST
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Quotable from Risto Siilasmaa (CEO F-Secure) at Slush Helsinki conference this afternoon:

In US, it's "Yes, we can", in Europe, it's "Yes, we should"


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 03:18:03 PM EST




Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready
by ATinNM on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 03:27:26 PM EST
Oh. Yes. mmm HUH. They did.

| The Biggest Loser | 3 Nov 2009

The players are feeling somber after saying goodbye to their friend Abby. But Ali cheers them up with the news that they are headed to Washington DC to help motivate a nation into eating right and getting healthy. The players board their plane and most of them celebrate because they no longer need a seatbelt extender.

"The segment featured the contestants - overweight folks trying desperately to lose weight -- harvesting vegetables in First Lady Michelle Obama's White House Kitchen Garden, with the help of assistant chef Sam Kass.

The gang then went into the kitchen and made a big salad. The contestants and the hosts lavished praise on the Obamas for setting a positive example on healthy eating. That was followed by a video about hunger in America that so prominently featured Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Illinois, it could have been a re-election commercial."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 03:33:09 PM EST
Null and Vetoed: "Chance Coincidence"?
In late October, 2009, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed Assembly Bill 1176 (Ammiano). gov.ca.gov/pdf/press/2009bills/AB1176_Ammiano_Veto_Message.pdf. The veto reads as follows:


Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 07:17:53 PM EST
The backstory to this is Arnold showed up, uninvited, at a San Francisco Democrats dinner. Tom Ammiano, author of the vetoed bill, shouted "you lie!" (mocking Joe Wilson), and after a rein of boos came down onto Arnold, Ammiano followed up with "kiss my gay ass." My Calitics colleague Brian Leubitz had the full story on this when it happened last month.

So when Arnold decided to veto Ammiano's AB 1176, he and/or someone on his staff decided to send a message, proving that the Republican Party is comprised of a bunch of 8 year olds.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 07:25:33 PM EST
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I did spend quite a while wondering if this was for  real before posting it

(which is why its in thre open thread not thesalon)

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 07:32:49 PM EST
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Arrrrrrnold can't back down from girly men.

If Pete Wilson hadn't been stupidly corrupt Arrrrrrnold would still be making crappy movies in which he proves he still can't act.

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Wed Nov 4th, 2009 at 10:45:51 PM EST
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I don't find the behaviour of the Democrats as decribed all that adult either. After all, this was a raucous Democratic Party event and Tom Ammiano is special. ... He's just Tom Ammiano.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:17:57 AM EST
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