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13. NYCO - 5 November 2009

Some brief comments on NY-23: in the end, the voters behaved as you would expect of voters in that region (which is not politically homogenous): they were bemused and disgusted at outsiders. I think they enjoyed the attention at first, but by the end, the sweaty groping got to be too much. This is an area that is continually ignored during presidential elections (as the rest of the state is since it's "safe Democratic") and being all het up over ideological questions is not a way of life there. Because the region is ignored during presidential elections, the national parties really do not seem to know the lay of the land up here at all. The far-right will never be an organized force in New York State politics. Ever. There's no social network for them to seize. It's way too complicated for them.

    The funny thing is that everyone says "there hasn't been a Democrat representing this area since 1850-something" or whatever, but in fact, the political sensibilities of the area haven't changed much since 1850-something... which is not a bad thing necessarily, because the NY Republicans of 1850-something were actually liberals by today's standards.

Anyhow, the humiliation this affair brings to the weaselly remnants of the NY GOP (Pataki et al) is most amusing.

Better ground for the national rightwing nutjobs would have been NY-29, in rural Western New York (Eric Massa's territory), which is even poorer than NY-23 and more homogenous. But, it didn't happen that way.

So, please, no wind up retrospectives of the Golum - Clinton - Lazio Affair, amusing as that may be. To me.

Possibly related sentiment:

Srsly. Pragmatic constituents
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:04:05 AM EST
Can you say "Martin Van Buren"?  "The Fox of the Hudson." Upstate New York was his territory back in the day.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:47:01 PM EST
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Some PR Government Lay-Offs put on Hold (My translation/summary)
Yesterday, just three days shy of the deadline for the effective layoff of the majority of 16,970 government employees (over which a General Strike was held recently), the Restructuring and Fiscal Stabilization Board announced the postponement of the layoff of over 7,000 of said employees until January of 2010 due to non-compliance with certain strictures of Fiscal Emergency Law Number Seven.  A judicial order impugned a number of lay-offs that apparently didn't follow the proper procedure.  The government must allegedly procure an additional $60 million in funds to keep those employees working until January.


Dr. Carlos Alá Santiago, a friend and colleague professor from the Public Administration Department of the University of Puerto Rico (we have collaborated in research and publications in the past) is embarking on a hunger strike to protest the government layoffs.  That is him in the video above.  He began a diet of fruits and water over a month ago and has reduced intake to zero in recent days.

And finally, for those of you considering visiting us down here.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:05:01 AM EST
Brought to you via the Big Orange:

Murray alleged that in the late 1990s the Uzbek ambassador to the US met with then-Texas Governor George W. Bush to discuss a pipeline for the region, and out of that meeting came agreements that would see Texas-based gain the rights to Uzbekistan's natural gas deposits, while oil company Unocal worked on developing the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

    "The consultant who was organizing this for Unocal was a certain Mr. Karzai, who is now president of Afghanistan," Murray noted.



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:09:17 AM EST
I'm shcoked !! Shocked I tell you.

Although I seem to remember JaP playing whack-a-mole  debunking the pipeline justification for Afghanistan at one point when it seemed to appear quite frequently a couple of years back.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:22:57 PM EST
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oh look : Whack that Mole !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:47:09 PM EST
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Stop, STOP! Yer killing me.

"Special Relationship" Takes Cameo Role in "Iron Chef"

Not a moment too soon!

Army Times: A third of U.S. youth too fat, sickly to serve

Here's the Pentagon's breakdown of the ineligible population, according to the Times:

  • Medical/physical problems, 35%.
  • Illegal drug use, 18%.
  • Mental Category V (the lowest 10% of the population), 9%.
  • Too many dependents under age 18, 6%.
  • Criminal record, 5%.

Update at 1:06 p.m. ET: The Times reports that  Education Secretary Arne Duncan and a group of retired military officers will issue a report on Thursday warning that the situation is so dire it amounts to a threat to national security.

Will the WH remedy entail accelerated deployment of military charter schools, liberally lubed with $4.3B Race To The Top incentives to reform young bodies and minds?

Education Secretary Arne Duncan, the former superintendent of schools from Chicago, welcomes the foundation's involvement. "The more all of us are in the game of reform, the more all of us are pushing for dramatic improvement, the better," Duncan said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Stay tuned.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:44:20 AM EST
Mental Category V (the lowest 10% of the population), 9%.

Wow America only has 9% of the population in the bottom 10% Thats superb natural inteligence.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:47:46 AM EST
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Oh, well, I didn't know. I had to look up "Mental Category V." Que surprisa.

Corellating PS ed and military recruitment criteria since the Vietnam grinder

Table 2. Estimated Percentage of Draftees by Mental Group, by Race: FY 1966
Mental Group     Whites     Blacks     Total
I     7.6     0.3     6.7
II     32.1     3.3     28.8
III     34.6     18.2     32.8
IV     16.0     38.2     18.5
V     9.1     37.1     12.3

Source: R. de Neufville & C. Comer (1968). How good are our schools? Armed Forces Qualification Test Provides a Clue. American Education, p. 7.

"The All-Volunteer Military:
Issues and Performance," AFQT, CBO, 2007

Table 1.
Scoring Categories for the Armed Forces Qualification Test

AFQT Score (Percentile)a
Category I     93-99      

Category II     65-92      

Category IIIA     50-64      

Category IIIB     31-49      

Category IV     10-30      

Category V     1-9      
Source: Congressional Budget Office.

a. Individual scores on the Armed Forces Qualification Test (AFQT) are measured in terms of the distribution of scores of a nationally representative sample of young people. For example, someone whose test results fall in the 72nd percentile of that distribution receives an AFQT score of 72 (and is in category II).

Data from 1960 through the first half of 1973 indicate that new service members' AFQT scores were generally lower during the draft era than they have been under the all-volunteer force.(53) During the 1960-1973 period, 37 percent of male recruits scored in the top two categories, compared with 43 percent of male and female recruits in 2006 (see Figure 4).(54) In addition, 19 percent of draft-era recruits were in category IV, versus less than 2 percent last year.

ASVAB. Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery

Description of "aptitude" across the feasible population of recruits hasn't seemingly budged --according to Army Times-- since 1966. However, 2006 figures at least suggest, as much as the Pentagon would like to integrate the forces the public school system simply can't provide qualified stock! damn.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 12:38:48 PM EST
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America only has 9% of the population in the bottom 10%

What else to expect in a country where all of the children are above average?

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:52:20 PM EST
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the 9% refers to the percentage of those ineligible.

Similarly, the headline is spectacularly wrong: the study does not say that one third of kids are too fat or sickly, it says that one third of those rejected by the army are rejectyed because they are fact or sickly.

Not quite the same thing...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 03:42:27 AM EST
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Illegal drug use !!!!

There isn't a military grunt in the world who doesn't know where to get a joint for a friday night. I have ex-British army friends who tell me of rather good company wide parties where only the sergeant major and the officers were missing. And they were on very friendly terms with the US army cos at any time one would have what the other hadn't.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:29:38 PM EST
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To paraphrase the alledged remarks of M.I.T. midshipman Vanessa Esch, "I have no personal opinion. I was politically active in high school but as I got closer to serve, I got away from the nitty-gritty of these issues. My professionalism as an officer depends on not giving answers to those kinds of questions. The commander-in-chief does that."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:50:17 PM EST
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Two out of the three judges on Iron chef are British and the other's a non-chef. Wassup ? Don't you got no celebrity chefs of your own in the US ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:35:00 PM EST
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Long story short, no.

Julia Child is dead, was dead to 99% of the population before she died and was (briefly) resurrected in a major motion picture by that ineffable medium of mediums Meryl Streep.

<reckless eyeballing>

Possibly that project was Phase VII of the BoBo Blueprint to Modernize The American Cultural Revolution.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:01:55 PM EST
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A third of U.S. youth too fat, sickly to serve

When we can't even grow acceptable cannon fodder, you know we are in trouble.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:54:49 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Technology | F1 designer unveils electric car

An electric car created by ex-McLaren Formula One designer Gordon Murray has been unveiled.

Three prototypes of the T.27 model will be developed over the next 16 months.

The manufacturing process, called iStream, has received £9m of investment, half of which came from the government's Technology Strategy Board.

iStream plants can be just one fifth of the size of a conventional car factory, as the cars are not made from stamped steel.

All the parts are designed by computer and welded together rather than being stamped out of metal sheets, explained David Bott, director of innovation platforms at the Technology Strategy Board.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 11:59:31 AM EST
This from Gordon Murray - Zytek

or this from McLaren

proving that once again, while sustainability is far more important than we realize, sex trumps.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:05:20 PM EST
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Merely for exploiting picture size differential, I could have you in front of the Ad Standards board.

This is a much fairer comparison:

 

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:28:30 PM EST
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But here's where i actually stand.  the Hypercar from Amory Lovins.  Now if we could only get fuel cell tech ready enough for H2 produced from floating windmills...

And you know i was just being cute, Sven, when i posted the comparison.

  We all know you need fast cars to transport fast women.  The McLaren MP-12C is the most sophisticated auto in the world, and just because it uses for fuel something which is destroying our civilization doesn't mean i can't be swayed by sexual advertising.  (It also produces the least CO2 of any supercar by a stretch.)

Give me a Hypercar and a slow woman who can build beautiful, efficient fires.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:41:05 PM EST
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Should be...

Hypercar

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:45:54 PM EST
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Well we're all being cute then ;-)

Ad there's a lesson you still have to learn: it's much better to have the fast women transport YOU in fast cars. I'm dreaming again of Baroness Stups von Mechow and her Spider, in Hamburg.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:56:08 PM EST
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Wow, now you've got me remembering her Spider sprints, and not just in Hamburg.  Did she ever tell you about the time she drove the Spider into the coral down in Seychelles, and it took me two days to lick her wounds clean?

(This comment has not been cleared by ET moderators. As such, it should be taken with a GRAPH of salt over time against truthiness. In fact, there is no such thing as Seychelles.)

PS.  Do you have her current phone number?

(why do i have this nagging feeling i'm learning the wrong lesson?)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:29:30 PM EST
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Put this in the giggle file (from Republican Boycott Ignored - Climate Bill Headed To Full Senate from dKos.

The Senate Environment and Public Works Committee approved climate change legislation Thursday with no Republicans voting for the bill or even participating in the process.

The GOP - aka Party of No - membership of the committee didn't bother to show-up for the meetings, hearings, & etc.  So the Democrats went ahead with the process, ignoring them.

To quote kcurie, "je, je, je, je."

Now, of course ...

"I am here to appeal to you and the members of the committee," Sen. Jim Inhofe, the top Republican on the committee, said in a brief statement. "In the history of this committee, we have not been able to find a time when the bill has been marked up without minority."

To which Boxer responded ...

"This is not a procedure we wanted; it's a procedure that's available to us," said Boxer. "The majority has to be able to do its work...otherwise the whole Senate could come to a screeching halt."

Boxer has called the GOP's bluff, shown the way forward.  If the GOP senators want to be relevant to the process they have to be involved in the process.  
 

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:19:46 PM EST
It's good, but this should have been happening on Feb 1st. Heck, this sort of hardball should have been happening in the last session too.

When's Harry starting ??

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:31:25 PM EST
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I don't know.  Never?

My take, using data as the plural of anecdotal :-), is Reid is a good tactician and a lousy strategist.  In the 2006 to 2008 Senate he was about the best we could hope for.  Now, not so much.  Having a Senate Majority leader depending on his seat in a Swing State, with an election next year, is a disadvantage when pushing Obama's legislative agenda given the GOPs intransigence.  

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:52:21 PM EST
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Dean Baker got a pony. ht CR

Fannie Mae Announces Deed for LeaseTM Program: "To participate in the program, borrowers must live in the home as their primary residence and must be released from any subordinate liens on the property. Tenants of borrowers in this circumstance may also be eligible for leases under the program. Borrowers or tenants interested in a lease must be able to document that the new market rental rate [?] is no more than 31% of their gross income.

Leases under the new program may be up to 12 months, with the possibility of term renewal or month-to-month extensions after that period. A Deed for Lease property that is subsequently sold includes an assignment of the lease to the buyer."

FAQ doesn't describe Fannie Mae basis of market-rate property valuation by which D4L prices rent to tenants.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:30:40 PM EST
Okay, I didn't think it was possible but the republicans have sunk so low they've shocked me. Actually I feel revolted.

Look at this sign via dKos

Really, have they no shame ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 01:38:34 PM EST
Lyndon LaRouche will be very proud.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:14:24 PM EST
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Enough discussion.  More chatter.

Chew on that, ET.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:29:20 PM EST
doing my best

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 02:33:37 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | World | Americas | 'Seven shot dead' at US army base

At least seven people have been killed and 12 others injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas, according to US media reports.

One person has been arrested and a second is on the run, ABC news reports. It said the base had been locked down.

NBC News network said the two suspects were in military uniform and that the shooter-at-large was believed to have a high-powered sniper rifle.



Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 03:44:36 PM EST
Fragging?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:12:52 PM EST
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well the shooter was a Major, so unlikely.

Capitalism without bankruptcy is like Christianity without hell. Frank Borman
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 09:57:47 PM EST
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funny pictures of cats with captions

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 04:54:29 PM EST
Once again I find myself on the cutting edge of computer-human interactions/interfaces.

After trying everything else to solve a particularly annoying problem, I:

  1.  Read the instructions

  2.  Followed the instructions

And - gollie-darn - the problem seems to have gone away!

I offer this ground-breaking procedure as Public Service to the ET community specifically and World-at-Large free, gratis, and without charge.

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:03:36 PM EST
I am in awe of your prowess.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:10:05 PM EST
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As well you should be.

I hesitated before publishing the findings of my research as it might, possibly, lead those without my 35+ years of computer experience to do likewise.  However, I decided the potential good outweighed the potential dangers of a mass movement into, in the jargon, "RTFM, dumbass."

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:19:06 PM EST
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You had instructions? From where?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:24:01 PM EST
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There was a link to the documentation on the Install disk.

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready
by ATinNM on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:41:11 PM EST
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Damn, hidden in plain sight. The fiends !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 05:18:09 PM EST
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"RTFM" cuts short many, many conversations.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Nov 5th, 2009 at 06:38:53 PM EST
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If manuals were actually designed to help people who don't know how the system works as opposed to being memory joggers for those who do, RTFM would be a lot more useful.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 06:12:30 AM EST
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Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Fri Nov 6th, 2009 at 08:37:15 AM EST


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