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by In Wales
Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 12:14:21 PM EST

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I've been in Llandrindod today talking about women in public life.  Just got back and I'm straight into my PJs and dressing gown.

Off to make an apple crumble and not think about work.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 12:16:06 PM EST
Are PJs and dressing gown a necessary pre-condition for making apple crumble ? Wouldn't a pinny do ?

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 12:44:39 PM EST
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The two aren't connected.  I've had a ridiculous week and have hardly been home and when I have it is only to sleep so I intend to sit back and veg this evening.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 12:50:24 PM EST
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I went to Llandrindod today with two union colleagues to talk to their Women's AGM about women in public life, a topic I feel very passionately about.

Harriet Harman caused a lot of controversy but I believe she was absolutely right when she said that the Cabinet should never again be run by only men.  Women are hugely under represented across so many areas of life, from local to national politics, at high levels and on boards of organisations, and on various other committees.

Women tend to have different life experiences to men simply because our society is still strongly driven by constructed gender roles, women still bear the bulk of caring responsibilities, there is still gender segregation in the labour market, glass ceilings in careers, and unequal pay.   The causes of this are so deeply entrenched and unless women reach a critical mass in terms of the numbers who hold positions of power and influence and can change public policy, and change the strategic priorities that drive organisations then we are never going to see gender equality.

We need more women in public life, we need more role models who support other women to follow behind them, to create change for a fairer and more equal society.  But we can't just go looking around pointing at other women to do this, we have a responsibility to step up and lead and take the responsibility on ourselves too.

This isn't a fight of women vs men, it is a fight of all of us vs the dominant, small minded, bigoted alpha men that hold all the power and influence and won't let anyone else get through who is not like them.  We need more diversity, people with wider life experiences who understand the lives and issues facing other people in our communities. How else can we represent people and find solutions to the issues affecting our society if we have no insight into people's real lives?

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 01:04:57 PM EST
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Hmm, I do sometimes wonder that the women who make it to the top are more like the alpha men" in attitude than they'd care to admit.

all of the people in cabinet are a bit freakish in some ways. As I think over the years there are vanishingly few who I think of as people who I'd actually like. Too driven, too egotistical, too pompous and too pious. Male or female, they're not from my planet.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 01:20:46 PM EST
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Women and men will have different life experiences because women get preggers and men don't.  Our brains are wired slightly different because of that.  

Please note: SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DOES NOT MEAN "BETTER!!!!"

Just different.  

It does mean you'll find more Social Dominates among men.  Meaning, men are more likely to want, work, and scheme to rise to a position of power .... and then keep it.  ;-)

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 08:01:39 PM EST
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Did I say women are better?  I said we need as wide a diversity of people as possible in power. First step to that is more women.

Men are more likely to be able to network in order to help each other rise to the top - golf clubs, Men's clubs etc, that they can be a part of frequently because they don't traditionally have the burden of childcare. Women have fewer career related networking opportunities.

More men do want to spend time with families though and they'll be at a disadvantage too if they do, so the whole culture needs changing.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 04:51:44 AM EST
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No you didn't.  The shouting wasn't directed at you.

It was an attempt to avoid a discussion sub-thread.  Experience has taught me anytime I mention female/male brain differences the chances of a comment talking about which is better approaches 100%

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 03:22:51 PM EST
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Ah! Because I thought we didn't usually clash on these topics so it seemed strange that you might shout in my direction.

I suspect if ValentinD or Lily were active right now then a biiig sub-thread would have materialised!

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 04:18:23 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 14th, 2009 at 04:46:29 PM EST
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Been thoroughly enjoying the keruffle after a senior figure of the american Gay scene, Ronald Gold, wrote what ammounted to a transphobic hate-speech essay on the highly respected LGB blog, Bilerico project.

So great was the outrage that, after much cajoling, they took the post down.

Having been involved this time last year in a campaign against our local trans-hater, Julie Bindel, and the gay organisation, Stonewall, that chose to reward her, I can no longer work up the head of steam necessary to give a damn. I know that there are transphobes everywhere, not just the right wing religious maniacs that would have us and gay people killed, but even among those whom we might imagine to be our natural allies. Not least in the gay community.

But they are diminishing in number. The essay was taken down when enough people pointed out that he was using similar speech to that which was/is used against gay people, that it was hypocritical to accept such hate speech. Bindel is now finding that she can only publish her hate on rightwing antigay sites. Germaine Greer hasn't said anything hateful in years. Janice Raymond is now notoriously silent on the subject that made her famous.

So, i look at the trends and can't be bothered. Of course, every TransGender Day of Remembrance I am reminded that the murderous behaviour such attitudes enable have never gone away. That when a country like Uganda wishes to render being gay a crime leading to the Death penalty you realise that the Christian right will not sleep until we are dead or hidden so deep back in the closet that they can get back to buggering children with impunity. But most times, when I'm faced with simple minded ignorance from someone whose days of relevance are long gone....meh !!

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 01:03:10 PM EST
An-Nathra.com: من نحن Who we are

We are a group of young journalists from Palestine.

After a short training organized in Bethlehem by the NGO TAM, "Women Media and Development", with the support of the french development agency CFI, we launched An-Nathra ("the view") in November 2009, a blog dedicated to palestinian actuality.

Made by women, An-Nathra intends to inform its readers originally: it will display our women's view on social matters, our palestinian view on local issues and our journalistic view on information.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 01:08:24 PM EST
A laughable interview by the Archibishop of Canterbury in the Telegraph today. He complains;-

"The trouble with a lot of government initiatives about faith is that they assume it is a problem, it's an eccentricity, it's practised by oddities, foreigners and minorities. The effect is to de-normalise faith, to intensify the perception that faith is not part of our bloodstream."

this after the Labour Party has bent over backwards to accomodate faith groups having entirely separate state funded schools with different curricula to suit the superstition du jour. Hate crimes legislation is wrecked to accomodate the religious need to express hatred for people who are born either female, gay or transgendered.

they have umpty members of the second legislative chamber of the Houses of Parliament by right, they are listened to for no other reason than they hear voices in their head.

And still they complain !!! Will no one rid us of these turbulent priests ??

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 01:34:46 PM EST
Will no one rid us of these turbulent priests ??

Only if you are called Henry Deux.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 02:27:30 PM EST
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Yea, if he'd said "Good, well done boys" instead of going on pennance, things'd be real different.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 02:36:57 PM EST
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England could profitably looked to France for instruction on dealing with the Papacy. Capture 'em. Knock 'em over. Force a Concordat on 'em. In general, Fuck 'em. One of the things I liked best about the French Monarch. Don't take any crap from the Pope. Course it helps to be within marching distance of Rome.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 02:38:02 AM EST
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Today I had the occasional treat of watching an entire TV series - in a bit less than a working day. The DVD was the BBC original 'State of Play' from 2003.

The 2009 Russell Crowe Pottywood adaptation of the same name had nothing of the subtleties of the BBC thriller - that has another great performance by John Simm, the usual brilliant quirkiness of Bill Nighy, and a host of other good actors. As an editor of a major newspaper, Nighy, far outclasses Helen Mirren's version in the movie.

I've saved the last part till I've had supper... soon.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 03:12:35 PM EST
i've not seen it, but it does come highly recommended.

The last episode of the current "Thick of It" tonight. One assumes it's "Tucker's revenge". I'm really looking forward to it.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 03:19:35 PM EST
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I'm promised a DVD of it imminently. The related movie was quite fun too, though with a bit more 'Carry On General' to it.

I'm also working slowly through the HBO series 'John Adams' which presents a rather more nuanced history of the Founding Fathers than hitherto. Patriotism tends to intrude into much American storytelling, but this series asks some more basic questions about the birth of democracy.

How true to fact it is I am not qualified to say. But it certainly feels to be based on the historical record - with the usual elisions for dramatization.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 04:23:01 PM EST
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I started watching "john Adams" but I missed an episode or two and lost interest. Does it carry on as well as it started ?

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 06:08:55 AM EST
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I think it gets better. The arguments with Jefferson especially.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 09:56:38 AM EST
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the last episode of this series of the "Thick of it" was a strange episode. It had no feel of a series ending, more that it was simply setting up the plots and counter-plots for the next series.

It actually wasn't particularly funny. Very odd.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 06:07:28 AM EST
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It's not funny when the plotting takes over (I mean the dramatic plot). The plot has to direct different characters into situations (conflicts usually), without being visible itself, just as you're not noticing the best movie 'transition' music because it should be 'invisible'.

If the plot starts to intrude, it takes the sting out of the jokes. You can see it when characters start dialogue 'signposting' i.e explaining why the story is going where it is. That can be funny too (Billy Wilder was a master), but Thick of it, from what I have seen, is enjoyed by familiarity with the characters and the situations - it gets better the more you know them. So by plotting to have them do unfamiliar things, it means you lose the familiarity. It's not that Tucker's tantrums are funny, but the fact that you know they are coming and are amused by their creativity. Repeats with a twist. Like all so-called original creativity.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 10:10:17 AM EST
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I have that sitting ready to watch, but its waiting till after the final episode of Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy tomorrow.

Im dreading the Mel Gibson Edge of Darkness remake due next year.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 04:46:18 PM EST
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Ha !! Now there was something that was very much of its time. I can't imagine it working dramatically now.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 05:09:38 PM EST
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Well I have a hard time imagining Mel with his politics coming up with anything other than his daughter was a terrorist, and that they discover that the environmental bits were all a left wing conspiracy.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 05:23:06 PM EST
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Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 06:56:15 PM EST
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Dosn't his description of the type of socailists he likes sound so much like Blair et al.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 07:17:30 PM EST
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The last line is the one important to us.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 05:41:31 AM EST
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Don't forget I have ancestors too

[mental reservation]and not all of them were married[/mental reservation]

The ending of that was extremely affecting. What is doubly interesting is that, in the original book by Chris Mullins MP, Perkins simply resigned as PM and quietly left; the dark forces won. For once the happy ending of the filmed version was more dramatically powerful and satisfying.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 06:04:58 AM EST
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I watched the last part this morning. I wished there would have been more.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 05:42:49 AM EST
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We put up our Christmas tree today. According to the instructions on the box, you can connect 86 strings of LED tree lights in series and plug them into a single outlet!
by asdf on Sat Dec 12th, 2009 at 09:58:38 PM EST
Denmark's first carbon neutral building completed



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Dec 13th, 2009 at 06:55:21 AM EST


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