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by Jerome a Paris
Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 11:37:48 AM EST


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But crises will always happen and, even if there is a depressing periodicity to them, their timing, form and provenance will elude prognostication. Most crises, notably the big ones, creep up on us from unsuspected quarters. As Keynes wisely observed: "The inevitable never happens. It is the unexpected always." So, if the value of economics in preventing crises will always be limited (although hopefully not non-existent), perhaps a fairer and more realistic yardstick should be its value as a guide in responding to them. Here, one year on, we can say that economics stands vindicated.

How so? Recall that the recession of the late 1920s in the US became the Great Depression, owing to a combination of three factors: overly tight monetary policy; overly cautious fiscal policy (especially under FDR in 1936, when tightening led to another sharp downturn in the US economy); and dramatic recourse to beggar-thy-neighbour policies, including competitive devaluations (as countries went off the gold standard in the 1930s) and increases in trade barriers. The impact of this global financial crisis has been significantly limited because on each of these scores, the policy mistakes of the past were strenuously and knowingly avoided.

Phew

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:00:05 PM EST
Double Dip?

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:28:45 PM EST
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maybe not:
Strong economic data from Japan released on Monday helped ease fears that the country would suffer a double-dip recession and lifted the Tokyo stock market to a 14-month high.

then again:

But while Japanese exports have been growing, demand at home has been less rosy amid deflationary pressure.

In November, total cash earnings among Japanese wage earners fell 2.8 per cent from a year earlier, according to the ministry of health, labour and welfare. The drop, which accelerated from a revised 1.9 per cent fall in October, is the 18th straight month of decline.

Last month's unemployment rate rose to 5.2 per cent and consumer prices dropped for a ninth consecutive month.



La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:37:16 PM EST
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Yes, they got it all right. This calls for bonuses all round.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:44:14 PM EST
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if a trip to Mpumalanga is in the cards for me next year.



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:18:04 PM EST


La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:31:44 PM EST
Royal watchers stunned as Sandringham officers swoop in and seize their cameras | Mail Online

For decades, supporters of the royals have turned out to greet them as they go about their duties.

But those hoping for a memento of the Queen and her family yesterday were stunned after police seized their cameras.

It is the first time that visitors watching the Queen, Prince Charles and Princes William and Harry make their way to church have been prevented from taking photographs.

The incident comes just weeks after the Queen made an appeal for privacy and warned newspapers they face legal action if they publish paparazzi photos of ' private' situations.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:45:18 PM EST
What are you paying these people for... ?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 01:09:27 PM EST
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Personally I think we could make a lot of money filming their fortnightly jobcentre interviews. I think it would be hilarious.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 01:41:21 PM EST
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Schneier on Security
Only one carry on? No electronics for the first hour of flight? I wish that, just once, some terrorist would try something that you can only foil by upgrading the passengers to first class and giving them free drinks.


Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:54:37 PM EST
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 12:46:36 PM EST
OMG!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 01:13:35 PM EST
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ah, memories. Luckily I've never quite played car pinball. Stating the obvious (and I don't care how long that hill might be) but they took a stunning risk jumping out of the car like that.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 02:17:39 PM EST
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leaving their car was amazingly stupid, going far beyond the idiocy of driving on ice in the first place.
by Magnifico on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 02:25:46 PM EST
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The bloke almost got himself run over.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:02:02 PM EST
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Wasn't the plan to stop the car by dragging their feet?

Not that that was ever going to work.

It's easy to do stupid stuff if you've never driven in ice before. Back in Feb I was literally missed by inches by someone who was tailgating me in snow, and obviously didn't know that bodies in motion tend to continue in motion.

If I hadn't been doing 10mph it would have been unpleasant.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 06:25:36 PM EST
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NEW YORK -- Grammy-winner José Feliciano has gotten an apology after accusing a pair of radio producers of trashing the spirit of Christmas by using his popular holiday song, "Feliz Navidad," for a racist musical spoof about undocumented immigrants.

Feliciano released a statement Wednesday saying that he was "revolted beyond words" and that the song was never meant to be "a vehicle for a political platform of racism and hate."



"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 01:02:45 PM EST
I need a bit of advice translating metric units into "American" units for a recipe I keep using. My main problem is converting grams (weight) into tablespoons and teaspoons (volume).

Here's the recipe: Kale with baked eggs.

I can do metric measurements for everything, but the 40g butter and 40g plain flour for the roux. What would these be in T or tsp?

I've been using my usual roux recipe, but I'm curious to what the measures really should be.

I use this dish as a main course sometimes too, but for Christmas dinner I served it as vegetable dish alongside poached salmon.

by Magnifico on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 02:33:53 PM EST
I fear this is a hopeless quest. Tablespoons are a liquid measure anyway, see da wiki da pedia.

40 gm = 1.41 oz

Is there any hope this might help? .....?

After messing about in my laboratory kitchen, I have reached the conclusion that you need approximately

6 level tbsps of flour (to equal 40 gm)

but the butter is beyond me. Roughly 1 and a half ounces...

And these is cheese-eating surrender monkey tablespoons.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:42:02 PM EST
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Oh Uncle afew, please leave nerdy questions to the TRULY NERDY.  We get off on this shit!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:49:53 PM EST
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Man, you Americans is quaint.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:58:01 PM EST
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According to this site, my 6 level tbsps seems right for the flour (6.4 US tbsps with US all-purpose flour, you can't say better than that).

Butter is between 2 and 3 tbsps.

I'd be tempted to do 7 level tbsps flour to 3 level tbsps butter.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:53:27 PM EST
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I'll handle the "butter issue"; I'll leave the flour to someone else (for now).

To solve this problem we need to know ... dum dum dum ...  the DENSITY of butter so we go to WIKI (who we trust?) which informs us that the density of butter is .911g/cubic cm.  To get to tsp, once again WIKI states that 1 tsp = 4.93 mL (= 4.93 cubic cm) so

Dimensional Analysis Time !!! (wooo wooo!)

(Note:  True Nerds ALWAYS go wooo wooo when it's time to change units.  It's part of the code.)

40 g x (1 cc/.911 g) X (1 tsp/4.93 cc) = (calculator please ...)

9 tsp (yes, only 1 significant figure; that's what you have in 40 g.)

So, your 40 g of butter translates into 9 tsp.

The logic will be the same for the flour; you need the density of the flour and then the appropriate conversion factor to T.

Will post this part then take a shower.  If someone else doesn't jump in I'll do the flour in a bit.

CHEM NERDS ... accept NO substitute!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:48:05 PM EST
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Those are teaspoons? Or tablespoons?

Hey, don't chem nerds just have simple tools to weigh stuff in grams? (Like quaint Yurpeens do, in their kitchen?)

Come back after shower. :-D

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 03:57:02 PM EST
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This butter problem was a conversion to TEASPOONS!!  NOT ... I emphasize ... NOT Tablespoons (the bigger guys.)  I'll do the flour (in a bit) to T(ablespoons)

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:05:29 PM EST
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I need you to convert bushels of corn into metric tons. You'll need the density refs again. It's fascinating.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:11:58 PM EST
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Shower Time !!!  Back in a bit.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:14:36 PM EST
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The only people I once knew who had scales to weigh gram size things were selling weed and the like (decades ago in college).  I don't weigh anything when I cook.  And Truffles says "Hello" to all her European fans.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:09:05 PM EST
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Oh, decades.

How many teaspoons is that?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:13:40 PM EST
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74 playing fields.

Give or take.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 06:27:02 PM EST
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level playing fields would that be?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 29th, 2009 at 03:07:47 AM EST
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Is it a lolcat or a cool cat (*citation needed)?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:56:48 PM EST
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Well, I suggested 3 level tablespoons of butter, which is 3 x 15 = 45 ml/cc, which divided by your 9 teaspoons does indeed work out at 5 ml/cc or (to one significant figure) 4.93 ml/cc, so we in fact agree despite your nerdiness and strange American system of measures.

How can anyone cook using cups, tbsps, and tsps, especially when no one knows how much they are and they differ across the quaint old English-speaking world?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:09:00 PM EST
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... or (to one significant figure) 4.93 ml/cc, ...

One sig. fig. in 4.93 ???  Don't let In Wales catch you posting that; you're looking for a spanking!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:13:23 PM EST
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The 5 is the one significant figure. 4.93 -> 5.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:15:28 PM EST
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How can anyone cook using cups, tbsps, and tsps, especially when no one knows how much they are and they differ across the quaint old English-speaking world?

Because we have brains the size of planets.

AND we know our 64 times tables.

:-þ

Actually, it really doesn't matter.  The original ingredient list is only approximate.  Depending on the ambient air temperature, humidity, real eggs versus battery raised eggs, Holstein milk versus Jersey milk, etc., etc. the actual As-Made list will be different for each iteration.  As long as the first set is more or less correct in ratio ... it'll work out.


No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 07:02:13 PM EST
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Intuition and experience, that's how.  Fiddle with any set of measurments long enough, and KNOW what you're trying to make on a deep level, and these things just become sort of obvious.
by Zwackus on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 07:37:58 PM EST
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After reading responses to your request, Magnifico, you may wish to revert to your usual roux recipe.

If it works, don't fix it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:20:16 PM EST
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to quote an award winning chef and friend of mine, you dont do things like that by recipe, you do them till they look right. mix your butter and flour together till you have the right consistency, by sight, then add milk till that looks right.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:35:03 PM EST
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Well, that's cool if you make roux really often. For most of us, having quantities of butter and flour that fit with (in this case) a half litre of milk, is helpful.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:44:49 PM EST
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What the devil are you going to do with 600ml (more or less) of roux?

BTW, the secret is equal amounts, by weight, of fat and flour.  Doesn't matter what fat as long as it is compatible with the rest of the ingredients of the dish.  Most people always use butter or/and milk cuz they are wusses, unadventurous stick-in-the-muds going for the mediocre.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 07:10:45 PM EST
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The half-litre is from the recipe Magnifico is using. Presumably Fearless-Twittingstall from the Guardian knows what he's going to do with that much béchamel. Or mornay, since he's putting cheese in it.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 29th, 2009 at 04:50:37 AM EST
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Actually, true roux ingredients are not measured in T or tsp, rather half snake skulls. Mixed with ground bone and hair, and herbs gathered at midnight on a full moon.  Allowed to dry after cooking, and sewn into bags placed under enemies pillows.

Likely, however, you meant the cooking roux, not the gris gris stuff.

i go now.  (PS. nice recept, sounds delicious, yes i read it.)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:35:49 PM EST
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Trust you to give the game away.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:41:43 PM EST
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A strange psychic force overcame my resistance, and there i was hitting post.  Sorry, afew.

Say, how's that goose liver lasting?  Still delicious?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:47:34 PM EST
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That one's duck, not goose. Though the size was in goose territory.

There's not much left. No, it has lost savour. It was best when first dug out of the fat and cut into. Either that or I've had so much fat duck my palate's jaded. Dat's a serious possibility.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 04:54:12 PM EST
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All roads roux lead eventually to Dr. John, and here's a voodoo treat.

yaw father's a gumbo cooker
yo mamma's a alligator hooker

and the voo doo rap at the end is killer.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 05:25:04 PM EST
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Hey - that was roux, not roué.

I get those confused too.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 06:28:56 PM EST
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I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 05:01:10 PM EST
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Here we go:

40 g of flour to T(ablespoons)

From WIKI, density of wheat flour is .5 - .6 g/mL ; let's go with .55 g/mL

ALSO, 1 T(ablespoon) = 15 mL   so

40 g x (1 mL/.55 g) x (1 T/15 mL) = 5 Tablespoons

So your 40 grams of flour translates to 5 Tablespoons.

Enough nerdiness for one day.  Football is on.

Bye

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 05:08:50 PM EST
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Are those level tablespoons?

This is of vital importance.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 29th, 2009 at 04:52:57 AM EST
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Talk to the WIKI folks.  I'm just the number cruncher who makes sure the units all work out.  It's what I tell my students; "The units are your friends.  Use them!"

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Dec 29th, 2009 at 07:26:38 AM EST
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Forecast 2010 - Clusterfuck Nation
2009 was the Year of the Zombie. The system for capital formation and allocation basically died but there was no funeral.

A great national voodoo spell has kept the banks and related entities like Fannie Mae and the dead insurance giant AIG lurching around the graveyard with arms outstretched and yellowed eyes bugged out, howling for fresh infusions of blood... er, bailout cash, which is delivered in truckloads by the Federal Reserve, which is itself a zombie in the sense that it is probably insolvent.

The government and the banks (including the Fed) have been playing very complicated games with each other, and the public, trying to pretend that they can all still function, shifting and shuffling losses, cooking their books, hiding losses, and doing everything possible to detach the relation of "money" to the reality of productive activity.



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 05:48:20 PM EST
Voodoo economics? Zombie banks? Vampire squids? CH's roux prescription?

Is anyone else seeing a pattern here?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 06:30:55 PM EST
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Only one that can be solved with large quantities of garlic added.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Dec 28th, 2009 at 08:15:21 PM EST
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