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Empires Decline

by Lasthorseman Thu Feb 5th, 2009 at 09:19:54 AM EST

Is my rapturous joy about this subject premature or is it just another one of those movements that go nowhere.  For sure you won't see it in lamestream "news" and once again people who still have half a brain in America-stan are in the minority.


States asserting their right to blow off the Federal Government!  For all the right reasons.

http://nhrefed.110mb.com/

"The federal government likes to use blackmail techniques such as with holding highway and welfare funds to a state when a state doesn't tow the line, demand that New Hampshire take measures to become more economicly independant and marginalize that blackmail."

Hope though comes from other states coming to the same conclusion.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=67229

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/billinfo/summary.aspx?year=2009&bill=4009

Most likely it is just wishful thinking though as Vermont's succession movement never when anywhere.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/360218/a_look_at_the_vermont_secession_movement.html

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=49cd2358-5997-4fe8-a1ef-713fed7aaa8e

Recovery from eight full years of tyrannical sociopathic control lies not in an administration that wants 448 million for a Homeland Insecurity building as part of a glorious FDR type New Deal.  I think this New Deal rates the equivalent of PNAC's "A New Pearl Harbor" in it's Satanic destroy America faster theme.

http://dprogram.net/2009/01/01/video-russian-professor-predicts-the-usa-disintegrates/

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Same as the old boss.

Why do we need bosses anyway?

by Lasthorseman on Thu Feb 5th, 2009 at 12:32:22 PM EST
Your first link leads to an error message.  Could you check that?
Thanks

Karen in Austin

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 06:08:24 AM EST
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by Lasthorseman on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 06:55:47 PM EST
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control of information dispersal was always a critical weakness of us, the good guys.  The internet, cell phones with cameras, etc. has changed that.

If WE want to change things for the better, then WE have to get off out fat rear ends and FORCE the power elite to change things.

That could get ... unpleasant, you say.

Hell, I'm already an old man.  I really don't have that much to lose.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Feb 5th, 2009 at 03:57:52 PM EST
I am a baby boomer so that means I am a child of the most frugal of American generations.  My parents grew up knowing the depression and the Big One,WWII.  They were successful and saved for their retirement only to have that sucked away by the engineered economic swindle of all times.  Yes, it's already unpleasant.
by Lasthorseman on Thu Feb 5th, 2009 at 04:30:06 PM EST
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Hail and Well met, Last.  May we meet before the end.  I'll be one of the folks with a bullhorn before I'm hauled off to rot in prison.

They tried to assimilate me. They failed.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Thu Feb 5th, 2009 at 07:59:55 PM EST
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Vermont legislature, text of HCR 6 is pungently opposed to legal framework and specific federal laws expanding executive powers under color of national security and community service acts.

I. Establishing martial law or a state of emergency within one of the States comprising the United States of America without the consent of the legislature of that State.
II. Requiring involuntary servitude, or governmental service other than a draft during a declared war, or pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.
III. Requiring involuntary servitude or governmental service of persons under the age of 18 other than pursuant to, or as an alternative to, incarceration after due process of law.
IV. Surrendering any power delegated or not delegated to any corporation or foreign government.
V. Any act regarding religion; further limitations on freedom of political speech; or further limitations on freedom of the press.
VI. Further infringements on the right to keep and bear arms including prohibitions of type or quantity of arms or ammunition;

BTW, Prayer Breakfast Remarks | Time magazine | 6 Feb 2009

WTF? | Telegraph | 6 Feb 2009

The Daily Telegraph has learned that the 85-year-old former US secretary of state met President Dmitry Medvedev for secret negotiations in December. According to Western diplomats, during two days of talks the octogenarian courted Russian officials to win their support for Mr Obama's initiative, which could see Russia and the United States each slashing their nuclear warheads to 1,000 warheads.

The decision to send Mr Kissinger to Moscow, taken by Mr Obama when he was still president-elect [?!], is part of a plan to overcome probable Republican objections in Congress.

Mr Kissinger is believed to have won a verbal rather than written undertaking for the deal. Tom Graham, a senior associate at Kissinger Associates and a former member of the national security council in the White House, on Thursday confirmed that Mr Kissinger had met Mr Medvedev but denied that any negotiations had taken place and said he had not met with Mr Putin.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 09:02:54 AM EST
Also another reason the Prayer Breakfast convocation and tribute to the faith of the peoples of Seattle so tragic is this.

HJM 4009 - 2009-10, "Claiming state sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment"

WHEREAS, The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be limited in its powers relative to those of the various states; and

WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; ...

(2) That this serve as a Notice and Demand to the federal government to maintain the balance of powerw where the Constitution of the United States established it and to cease and desist, effective immediately, any and all mandates that are beyond the scope of its constitutionally delegated powers.

Clearly there are various malcontents seated in the several states' legislatures who are enured to enumerated powers of the Congress.

Article 1, sec. 8 : "To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions; To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States, reserving to the states respectively, the appointment of the officers, and the authority of training the militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"

The resolution is so spirited, so "righteous." Pretty funny how faith elides purpose.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 09:53:47 AM EST
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I most want sociopathic idiots to not erase my life in "the golden years" and not screw up my kids lives.  Any "movement" which is counter to the US Federal "government" is my friend.  The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  Now that the globalists own Barky the choice is clear.
by Lasthorseman on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 06:59:13 PM EST
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A Seattle tradition | Obama | 5 Feb 2009

It's a tradition that I'm told actually began many years ago in the city of Seattle.  It was the height of the Great Depression, and most people found themselves out of work.  Many fell into poverty.  Some lost everything.

The leaders of the community did all that they could for those who were suffering in their midst.  And then they decided to do something more:  they prayed.  It didn't matter what party or religious affiliation to which they belonged.  They simply gathered one morning as brothers and sisters to share a meal and talk with God.

These breakfasts soon sprouted up throughout Seattle, and quickly spread to cities and towns across America, eventually making their way to Washington.  A short time after President Eisenhower asked a group of Senators if he could join their prayer breakfast, it became a national event.

A MIC Tradition | Harper's | 2003

Ivanwald, which sits at the end of Twenty-fourth Street North in Arlington, Virginia, is known only to its residents and to the members and friends of the organization that sponsors it, a group of believers who refer to themselves as "the Family." The Family is, in its own words, an "invisible" association, though its membership has always consisted mostly of public men. Senators Don Nickles (R., Okla.), Charles Grassley (R., Iowa), Pete Domenici (R., N.Mex.), John Ensign (R., Nev.), James Inhofe (R., Okla.), Bill Nelson (D., Fla.), and Conrad Burns (R., Mont.) are referred to as "members," as are Representatives Jim DeMint (R., S.C.), Frank Wolf (R., Va.), Joseph Pitts (R., Pa.), Zach Wamp (R., Tenn.), and Bart Stupak (D., Mich.). Regular prayer groups have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries. The Family maintains a closely guarded database of its associates, but it issues no cards, collects no official dues. Members are asked not to speak about the group or its activities. ...

The Family's only publicized gathering is the National Prayer Breakfast, which it established in 1953 and which, with congressional sponsorship, it continues to organize every February in Washington, D.C. Each year 3,000 dignitaries, representing scores of nations, pay $425 each to attend."



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 12:36:41 PM EST
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one of Satan's highest minions.  Mr. Putin knows well meeting with Kissinger would be a huge waste of time.
by Lasthorseman on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 07:01:35 PM EST
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Extremely premature.  Everything you are citing is from Right Wing Nut Jobs who are the political descendants of those who opposed civil rights in the 50s and 60s by crying "states' rights."  The bills may sound all Patrick Henry, but what they really oppose are environmental regulations, UN black helicopters, and illegal (read "non-Anglo") immigrants.  These are the tin-foil hat people.  Look at the bios of the Washington legislators; I dare you to find one that's to the left of Genghis Khan.  Have you noticed what sort of animal life Oklahoma elects to the US Senate?  And citing to Wing Nut Daily?  Come on.  What's next, Voelkischer Beobachter?
by rifek on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 10:39:28 AM EST
the origin of it and I too cringe.  I am however from Massachusetts and as such already been through the latest trend in political "change" from republican to complete sell out democratic governor Devil Patrick.
Also in 2006 Nancy Pelosi and the galactic let down of non-impeachment.

Above all of it though my core belief rests in the simple fact that global scumbags rule the world far above whatever red or blue fashion fad is "in power".  CFR,Bilderburg,Davos,Trilaterals and a host of think tank organizations literally tell people how they should think,behave and each one of either party steadily advances global objectives.

by Lasthorseman on Fri Feb 6th, 2009 at 06:38:18 PM EST
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