I am a banker. Some of us did not f*ck up.

by Jerome a Paris
Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 04:04:36 AM EST

As a number of you know. I am a banker. I've been financing projets in the energy sector for close to 15 years. I'm aware this diary can and will be seen as self-serving, and indeed it is. But I hope it will also be seen as a useful explanation.

Banking has always been both a utility and a casino. On the one side, you have the vast payments and cash management network, the retail business, the basic corporate lending or brokerage business and a lot of advisory work. On the other, you have the more market driven activities, the support and/or participation to corporate mergers & acquisitions, commodities and securities trading, all the way to own-account speculative risk-taking. The two used to be mostly apart (indeed, the Glass-Steagall Act kept them legally separated in the US), but the line has become increasingly blurred.

From the diaries - afew


My job puts me in that blurry zone: my deals are of the large, multi-million (or even billion) kind, they can have pretty complex structures and make use of various hedging instruments, and they require pretty specialised competences. But they are also old-fashioned loans, which remain on our books for the long term, and are directly used for a visible purpose (like wind farms).

Thus, I'm usually seen as an investment banker by my clients, as I provide "structured debt" - but I'm seen as an stodgy, boring drone by the capital market guys, as my loans are not tradeable, and the banks - and maybe more importantly, the bankers - do not make extravagant amounts of money on the deals.

In fact, this is the one thing that I explain first when describing my job: we're typically going to earn a margin on our loans of 1-2% per annum (it was less than that in the exuberant times before the crisis, it's above that now). That amount will not change if the project works spectacularly well: we do not get any of the potential upside. But if the project we finance does not work, we stand to lose the whole thing. Given the unbalanced potential outcomes, we have to ensure that the decent-to-excellent outcomes happen almost all the time, and the bad outcomes happen only very rarely (basically with a less than a few % chance overall). Which means understanding what we're doing, to make sure that we're not taking risks, even rare ones, that could bring us down.

So the goal is to identify all the things that could go wrong, understand how they can be resolved or mitigated and by whom, and make sure that the party that can deal with the problem is contractually committed to doing so at the relevant moment, and is actually around to do it if and when. That means knowing the parties to the project, understand what they can do and what they want to do, and negotiate the best possible allocation of responsibilities and remuneration. The investor is generally looking to maximise its likely revenues from a project; we're looking (or we should be looking) to minimize the potential losses. The two goals are, thankfully, not incompatible, but require a lot of fine tuning on what are large scale complex projects.

At heart, a banker's job is risk analysis and allocation. Technical risks should go to the specialised contractors. Statistical risk should go to the insurers. Price risk can be borne by the investor or hedge on the markets, when available. Regulatory/political risk and operating risk are typically shared with the banks, to some extent.

A banker has to know its client, the industry and markets it works in (both for supplies and sales) and anyone who might have a stake or threaten the project. This requires a lot of due diligence, research, and coordination with lots of stakeholders. It's not quite dull or boring, but it's information-intensive and not easily summarised in a rating or a price (a major cause of the crisis was too many people putting too much trust in ratings and not doing their own risk assessment).

And it's very explicitly done on the basis of long term relationships. I've been bumping into the same people (both in other banks and on the client's side) for the past 15 years. My main clients this year were already clients 5 years ago, and I've talked to the same people there throughout. Once a deal is signed, I am still involved in its long term life - actively during the construction period, less so when projects become operational, more so when a restructuring is needed (like in 1998 when the Russian government imposed a moratorium on the payment of private debt): in other words, I have to live with the consequences of the deals I negotiated - which is a really useful experience to have to negotiate the next ones...

In the past 15 years, I've already gone through 3 cycles where my job was mocked for being a thing of the past, to be swept away by nimbler capital markets transactions. First, it was the emerging markets craze in the mid-90s - corporate bonds would replace all these cumbersome project-by-project loans to build power plants in Thailand or India. Then it was the dotcom boom - in that case, the job was not threatened, just seen as an idiotic way to spend your time when you could make millions working on dotcom IPOs. Then it was the big securitization craze of the past few years. Why immobilize precious balance sheet resources on low-paying loans when you could slice'n'dice assets, transform them into tradable paper, and sell it off, thus freeing capital to start all over again and make money several times over?

In the first two cases, the bubbles burst, the "new" new thing crashed, and banks were happy to notice that their stodgy lines of business had not crashed along, were still making money, and were worth supporting. This time, the bubble has been so big, and the damage from the crazy activities so wide, that the banks are so badly wounded and their ability to support "normal" banking is now compromised.

Activities like mine have (once again) not lost any money, but they are being squeezed this time by the weakness of the banks. I wrote a few weeks ago of the contorsions I had to go through to get a deal done late last year. This is due to the fact that a number of banks have been involved in both speculative and utility type activities, and their losses on the speculative side of the business are so large as to threaten their ability to continue their utility businesses. But it also the case that even the banks that did not get involved in speculative activities (or had a prudent enough approach to these) are in trouble, because they also need to finance themselves on a daily basis on the interbank market and that market has been damaged by the weakness of so many of the imprudent banks.

I can't write about local bankers that lend to their community (both mortgage type lending and small business lending), but I presume that their stories would be fairly similar: they knew what they were doing, have not incurred any unusual losses, but are now forced to reduce their activity, and choke clients off, because of the overall context, and their banks' retranchement measures. It can indeed be argued that banks are being as stupid and sheep-like in their rush to deleverage as they were in the previous rush to expand and grow on the upside of the bubble, under the influence of market forces.

The lesson of all that is that there needs to be a separation once again between the utility bits of banking, and the speculative bits - and, rightly or wrongly, I consider myself to be in the utility part. Both are - or at least, can be - useful, but only one is absolutely necessary, and that fact (the absolute need for a sound basic banking system) cannot and should be hijacked to protect the speculators from the consequences of their bets.

There are two ways to do this: separate the to activities hermetically (by identifying what is seen as vital, and forbidding anybody who is active on the speculative side of business to even touch the utility bit), or regulate all finance-related activities. Ian Welsh has proposed a fairly simple way to regulate CDSs. I have suggested a more macro regulatory measure: tax high incomes much more. In either case, it means have rules in place and enforcing them - that last bit being the most vital one, and the hardest one given the finance industry's permanent lobbying to dismantle rules and to weaken the regulatory agencies (which can then conveniently be blamed for not doing their job, as we regularly read these days).

Bankers should be - and in many cases are - like attorneys or doctors: in the midst of their community (which can be sophisticated industrial players), providing highly qualified, specialised services, and earning income in the same kind of range as their clients. High flyers can go in the unregulated speculative side of the business, and trade and wheel-and-deal to their content, with whatever money investors see fit to trust them with, but they should be in no position to threaten the livelihood of the utility side of the business, nor expect to be bailed out when they crash and burn.

Bankers need - and deserve - that protection and discipline, because it is what protects society and the economy from the potential abuse of the incredible privilege that is granted to all those with their hand directly on the money tap.

Full disclosure: I earn a 5-figure salary, and also received a 5-figure bonus this year.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 12:32:37 PM EST
Recommended there, recommended here...
by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 12:41:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Good diary, and it gets to a point that others have made elsewhere about different types of banking, too.  Many of our community and regional banks -- many FDIC-insured -- behaved well enough, doing the old-school, 30-year fixed rate mortgages; small business loans; etc.  Yet we're now penalizing them by propping up the Wall Street fatcats.

And the ones who've been hit by the credit squeeze, despite not engaging in the mass psychosis of the last 10 years, haven't gotten shit.  All the money went to people who were on a first-name basis with the GTP and Frodo.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Mar 29th, 2009 at 10:16:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
1-2% ??
by rootless2 (redacted) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 12:41:57 PM EST
yes. The interest you pay is the base rate (EURIBOR or LIBOR or similar)  plus the margin, but only the margin is income for the bank.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 12:57:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've long wondered why banks do not do x% + warrants type of investing to get some upside on these types of investments. Banks would be able to do that more efficiently than VC companies that have a higher capital cost and must push for casino results. What we saw when we looked for (small) debt from banks for growing a company was that they wanted to increase rates astronomically.

HP started with a bank loan.

by rootless2 (redacted) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 01:06:07 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I've long wondered why banks do not do x% + warrants type of investing to get some upside on these types of investments.

Chris Cook has been suggesting revenue-sharing or production-sharing agreements which have both a reduced default risk and a share of the upside.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 03:07:29 PM EST
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Well according to the leaked Barclays docs, that margin is bit higher.

Of course, you have to send your LIBOR to a detox center on the Canary Islands, otherwise it will get your whole portfolio sick.

Or just buy the whole damn money market house that was supplying your LIBOR, which ever looks better on the books.

When world history is written, Texas will appear as a long elaborate joke.

by Pinche Tejano on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 03:41:31 PM EST
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margin for what? It depends on the risk. All margins are basically 1.5% more than what they were in mid/late 2007.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 03:48:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
just wait, I am known for my clever tricks.

Decanted a few of the Barclays documents, take a gander yourself:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5046490/BarclaysValiha

When world history is written, Texas will appear as a long elaborate joke.

by Pinche Tejano on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 09:57:55 PM EST
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What's wrong with 1-2%?

On a billion dollar loan, that's 10-20 million a year (because it's on the high side of the deals Jerome describes, call it 10 million). Over the life of that loan, it is a nice, stable (barring acts of god and if everyone does their work well) income for any organization. Internally, the bank employs and pays maybe 2 dozen people to service this loan...not bad.  And while this loan matures, other deals are being spun, other deals near the end of their terms.

I have been an early hire in 5 startups. The most any of these manufacturing firms ever grossed was 6 million. (For some reason, the membrane keyboard business - 3 of those starups - loses profitability and management has a much tougher time keeping things running smoothly with anything more than about 6 million in gross sales per year.) Employing anywhere from 20 to 90 people, I rather like Jerome's banking business model more than my manufacturing one.

1% of a billion dollar deal. Ok, sign me up.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire

by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 10:16:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I recall that the problem of transitioning a business through a certain income barrier has long been a known business problem.  Thirty years ago it was getting bigger that $1 million or so.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 31st, 2009 at 11:17:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The only business I worked for (I was a first hire) that broke the barrier, did it by switching to a more upscale product (membrane switches can be produced for pennies). Though these days, they aren't doing to well. They closed the company 1 day a week a few months back. A few weeks ago, they added another day closed.

"It Can't Be Just About Us"
--Frank Schnittger, ETian Extraordinaire
by papicek (papi_cek_at_hotmail_dot_com) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 09:07:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
never forget, as a banker you command capital, which is essentially "saved work", so although it is only a small deal team, the capital involved is the same as if a banker had a lot of slaves who he allocated to a certain project. I think that puts the question of how many people make how much of profit in perspective?
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:49:16 AM EST
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Excellent diary Jerome.  I rec'd it over at Orange.

Every banker in my region that I've been talking to believes this is going to happen, that when this is over there will once again a separation of the speculative bits of banking from the essential banking functions, that we'll see many many more smaller banks and large projects will simply have to be participated out on a larger scale than they are now.

This does not mean that the financial industry lobbyists won't be fighting tooth and nail to stop the regulations necessary to bring it about or to elect persons who will choose not to enforce the regulations.

by Maryb2004 on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 01:06:49 PM EST
But they are also old-fashioned loans, which remain on our books for the long term, and are directly used for a visible purpose (like wind farms).

Holding loans long term really changes things as far as the moral hazard ... originating loans, bundling them, then selling them on gives incentives to the loan originators similar to used car salesmen.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 02:52:25 PM EST
Loan securitisation really seems to be at the centre of the current crisis.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 03:08:11 PM EST
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Abstraction is at the centre of the crisis - the bizarre practice of deliberately disconnecting the finance economy from the real economy, so that meta-money becomes tradeable in its own right.

Securitisation is a symptom of that. The other side of abstraction is social disconnection. As long as your trading profits look good you don't have to care about the people you've made unemployed or the businesses you've destroyed. You don't have to see them, or visit them, or know who they are. So they're lives become irrelevant to you.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 10:59:16 PM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
The other side of abstraction is social disconnection.

The sociopathic nature of the Corporation - at least in its publicly traded form - is that it enables ownership without responsibility.

ie it's not just meta-money which has come about through the objectification of money, but also meta-capital through the objectification of property.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Mar 29th, 2009 at 06:23:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And over time, what was once a privilege has become taken for granted as a right.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Mar 30th, 2009 at 02:48:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
finance without operation
management without production
reporting without facts

A floating layer of upper class twits whose expertise is in sending memos.

by rootless2 (redacted) on Sun Mar 29th, 2009 at 10:55:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
... since they can just send Tweets.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Mar 30th, 2009 at 02:48:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Can they now twitter Excel and Power Point?  I thought that was the prerequisite for demonstrable MBAitude.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 31st, 2009 at 11:20:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jake De Santis' letter could be paraphrased as "I was a trader for AIG and I didn't fuck up". Should Mark Taibbi give you a dress-down?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 03:10:12 PM EST
the only question underlying that diary...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 03:47:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
that De Santis was just lucky, and you don't run banks on luck. My business has survived thae past 3 financial crises unscathed. How many people in the capital markets can say the same?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 03:50:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
... should not be allowed to earn big chunks of income from pure middleman commissions ... provided there is someone to make the market, its fine for middlemen in capital markets to sprout like dandelions after a late spring rain during a bull market and to wilt like dandelions in winter when the bear market arrives.

Its not fine for that to happen to commercial banks, which are the source of more than 90% of our money supply.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Mar 30th, 2009 at 02:51:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
One of Taibbi's main points is that DeSantis is full of shit, though.  And, as he noted, it's quite obvious why that must be the case: Even if you allow for the almost-undoubtedly laughable premise that DeSantis was not involved in the Epic FAIL at AIGFP, how in Christ's name does DeSantis get a retention bonus?

According to DeSantis, he didn't know about this stuff, so how can he be an expert?  And, if he did know about it, what makes him worthy of retention when half the Street is out of work, and when we could find some unemployed traders willing to work on the General Schedule who aren't total scumbags?

Taibbi's also right about the size of AIGFP mattering.  Even if DeSantis wasn't an envious person, is it really very likely that he had no idea how the higher-ups were making selling CDSs?  Come on.  You've lived in California.  People are nosy in this country, especially about money.  I've spoken with the head of my division exactly twice the entire time she's been there, yet I know exactly what her job involves and how much she makes on salary and bonuses, because people can't shut the hell up about it whenever bonus time rolls around.

(Full disclosure: My employer loses a lot of money, too, but I've never received a bonus beyond three figures.  Give me back my money, Jake.)

I think Taibbi put the case out pretty well.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 10:27:37 PM EST
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There once was a town called Sleepy-Little-Town.

All of its citizens were hard working and honest and they lived in tranquility for thousands of years.  In order to exchange goods and keep track of who owned what, they used shiny little stones which they safeguarded individually in, of all things, combination safes in their homes.  The problem was, on occasion, one of the citizens would forget his/her safe combination code and couldn't go to the Sunday Farmer's Market to stock up on the most prized food stuff around, domesticated truffles.  On more than one occasion, the cry would ring out throughout the land; "Alas, alack!  I have forgotten my safe code and will starve without truffles!  What will I do?"  And so a new profession was borne, the SafeCracker, who had the ability to open up safes without knowing the codes because of his very sensitive hearing, derived from excessive truffle consumption.

But one day an unscrupulous SafeCracker decided to go from home to home while the citizens were at work and steal all of their shiny stones and defile what truffles were about, the cad.  That day, when the citizens came home all sweaty from their hard work and hoping to sit, enjoy a beer, and watch their favorite TV program "Revolution with In Wales" (it was an import) they discovered the theft of their stones and the entire town was in an uproar.  "We will all starve without our shiny stones!  We are doomed!  What will we do?"  One bright individual named Helen suggested that they rename all of their chickens "Republicans" but few understood the meaning of this sage advice coming from one of the far-seeing wise-people.  And amidst the uproar, a simple child, seeing everyone in distress shouted, "We do not need shiny stones, or safes, or SafeCrackers to survive and be happy. We grow our own food in our fields, we raise our own livestock, and the trufflemonger always makes sure that we have an abundance of truffles."  The crowd grew silent and calm, and realized the great wisdom from the child.  

So they decided to change their system of bartering so they no longer valued shiny stones, did not need safes or SafeCrackers.  They hunted down the unscrupulous SafeCracker, caught hoarding his shiny stones, and turned him over to the local Ph.D. Biochemist with the instructions to "do with him as you will" (let's not go there.  This could be a family blog.)  And finally, to put the entire affair behind them, Helen had them slaughter all of their chickens and they had a great feast.  Yes, Helen was truly wise.

Finis

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 04:04:42 PM EST
The unscrupulous SafeCracker was never seen again, but more than one person was heard to remark at the local Farmer's Market, "My, aren't the truffles luxurious this year.  So plentiful and full of flavor.  The local Ph.D. biochemist who supplies the fertilizer to the trufflemonger must realy know how to do multivariat analysis and avoid time-related biases by ALWAYS randomizing the time order of experiments", but that's another parable for another time.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 04:19:42 PM EST
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a whole new batch of chickens were imported from a neighboring village, and they were called "Progressives" and they all lived happily ever after, until the great truffle blight, but let's not go into that just now.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Mar 28th, 2009 at 04:39:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
That only means you are not part of the Illuminati.
by Lasthorseman on Mon Mar 30th, 2009 at 08:39:28 PM EST
If you have ever seen one of us crush a beer can in each hand simultaneously, you would beware the hidden power of the Aluminum Bavarianati.  
We are everywhere hidden among you!

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 04:16:27 AM EST
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bankers have profession like any others, undoubtedly it's vital for any market economy but public outrage against them was caused exactly by ther hijacking and looting of public finances.

bailout of banks and financial institutions made enourmous harm  to the global economy and enlarged deep inequalities in the modern world.

instead of bailouts Western governments could put this money (trln of dollars) into IMF and WB and start lending to the poorest countries to subsidize establishment of safety nets and social and health securities in these countries and pressurize comparatively rich BRICs (who have big reserves) to do the same. This not only will reduce inequalities but also sput the global demand and growth.

there could be few conditions attached, first of all reducing corruption and incresing transparency (insisting on passage of Right to Information Acts).

however so far IMF did exactly opposite demanding reducing social spending, balancing budget, raising rates and plunging countries into more misery and poverty.

Today's rulers of US and Europe will be remembered as incompetent rulers who presided over the biggest graft in human history. Supporting zombie banks like RBS, Citigroup, Bank of America and many many others will not help to restart lending. These financial institutions lost the main thing which is necessary for any financial institute - THE TRUST. Nobody is going to trust them anymore and whether recession will end or not, they will be always zombie banks.

by FarEasterner (avdavydov@yandex.ru) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 04:31:33 AM EST
FarEasterner:
instead of bailouts Western governments could put this money (trln of dollars) into IMF and WB and start lending to the poorest countries to subsidize establishment of safety nets and social and health securities in these countries

How is that sustainable for poor countries in the long run? Surely Africa doesn't need more money to prop up poor government.

by Nomad on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 07:56:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I just heard that Mr Zoellick was talking about such need. It means that this idea is in the air.

If poor countries get safety nets this will increase demand for goods and subsequently they can emerge as viable economies. Of course the main problem is implementation and reducing poor governance, but if you don't start to tackle this problem who will?

And then do you have any alternative? I remember you defended the whites' rule in Zimbabwe and South Africa. The whites did not do anything to lift Africa out of destitution.

by FarEasterner (avdavydov@yandex.ru) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 09:37:37 AM EST
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FarEasterner:
I remember you defended the whites' rule in Zimbabwe and South Africa.

You're welcome to show me when I did exactly that.

by Nomad on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:05:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I have no time to waste on this subject, it's pretty evident from your diaries.
by FarEasterner (avdavydov@yandex.ru) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:18:36 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You must be reading different diaries.

But your unwillingness to illustrate your own point makes it less credible.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:22:39 AM EST
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How could I forget, it's pretty evident from my diaries. How silly of me.

If you don't have time for ad hominems, then please don't start them. Extraordinary claims do require extraordinary evidence.

by Nomad on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 10:48:09 AM EST
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It's not like anyone can argue that things weren't better for everyone in Rhodesia than they are in the Zimbabwe of today. What is the life expectancy today, 30, 35 years?

Still, that's not really the issue. The issue is if the disastrous results could and should have been expected, or if the regime change was done in good faith. Honest mistakes are after all unavoidable.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 07:09:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
FarEasterner, you are sadly mistaken in your reading of Nomad's South Africa diaries.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 11:12:56 AM EST
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As I wrote on kos, AIG was to banking what the Sopranos were to actual waste management.
by Lupin on Wed Apr 1st, 2009 at 07:01:42 AM EST
Why not?  Have you joined some cult?  If I were I., I´d go on strike.  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
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