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by In Wales
Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 09:48:22 AM EST

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The Equality Bill has been published today, (I suspect) coincidentally on Mary Wollstonecraft's birthday.

The Bill is unsurprisingly already under attack for the positive discrimination element of it - regardless of the fact that there are way more important improvements to people's rights in the rest of it.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 09:54:36 AM EST
Im sure theres a civil servant in the background who's made it not so coincidental.

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:11:59 PM EST
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Classic Krugman

Japan's recovery, again - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com

For what it's worth, a key conclusion from the IMF's new World Economic Outlook is that recessions caused by financial crisis typically end with export booms, with the trade balance improving, on average, by more than 3 percent of GDP. I find this a disturbing result: we're now suffering from a global financial crisis, which means that the usual driver of recovery will only be available if we can find another planet to export to.


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 10:12:45 AM EST
OMG ALIENS!!!

Don't just stand there, sell them something!!!!

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 10:36:26 AM EST
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There you go again, over-reacting.  If you saw what we had to use for washing machines, you'd be glad to buy them from Siemens.  Though we had no use, of course, for these "automobile" things you keep talking about saving.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:14:26 AM EST
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we're now suffering from a global financial crisis, which means that the usual driver of recovery will only be available if we can find another planet to export to.
Or to go to war with.  "World unites to build stealth space ships with nukes and death rays!"  Like WW II, only with space Nazis.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:15:32 PM EST
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Yeah, it's the war part I'm worried about but not against space aliens.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:57:04 PM EST
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Off to a district council meeting in a few minutes.

They won't decide anything but it's good to show my face.

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 10:37:14 AM EST
Klinsmann Is Out at Bayern Munich - Goal Blog - NYTimes.com

Perhaps now Jürgen Klinsmann can return to a more sedate life in Southern California, where he has lived the past few years with his family.

The former German international star who took the host nation to a surprising third-place finish place in the 2006 World Cup, was fired Monday as the coach of struggling Bayern Munich after less than a full season in the job.

In a statement on its Web site, the club said, "In the light of recent results, the board is concerned that the club may not achieve its minimum targets for the season, and has accordingly resolved to take appropriate action."

Even though Bayern is only three points behind league-leading VfL Wolfsburg in the Bundesliga standings with five games left in the season, Saturday's lackluster 1-0 loss at the Allianz Arena to visiting Schalke 04 apparently was too much to take for Bayern officials.



There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 10:44:22 AM EST
I... felt this coming already when Klinsmann was praised too sky-high for that WC performance. Though, it took longer than I expected.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:08:11 PM EST
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We're in lock down here because of an emergency of some kind.

Can't be a drill, so I'm thinking either one of the idiot construction workers hit a gas pipe or there's been a drive-by.

I'm inclined to blame pig flu, though.

Exciting!

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:34:34 AM EST
Ah, I wasn't far off: Some nutcase with a gun outside, apparently.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:42:39 AM EST
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Some nutcase with a gun outside

Glenn Beck?

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char

by Melanchthon on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:46:23 AM EST
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No way.  Beck's a pansy, just like all the winger blowhards.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:48:47 AM EST
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Beck might better be "re-purposed" as a Jimmy Swaggart TV Evangelist.  He seems to have the requisite control over his tear ducts.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:18:57 PM EST
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Psycho killer on the loose or pig flu.  

I'm obsessed with pig flu.  Like, no one has explained how it got from pigs to humans.  They explain how it mutated.  But not how we got it from pigs.  Pig sneezes?  

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:44:16 AM EST
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Bestiality, no doubt.  A predictable outcome of the Homosexual Agenda(TM) (right after "Be Absolutely Fabulous" on the daily schedule).

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:47:38 AM EST
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poemless:
I'm obsessed with pig flu.  Like, no one has explained how it got from pigs to humans.  They explain how it mutated.
Were you asking the same question when bird flu was the scare du jour?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:52:23 AM EST
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Bird sneezes?  I haven't heard much about bird flu in America, so I guess I've not given it any thought.  They keep stressing you can't get swine flu from eating pork

...

When I think of bird flu, I think of birds getting sick, not humans.  But no one is talking about pigs getting sick now.  Just people.

Sometimes my cat and I get sick at the same time...  Cat flu?

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:19:42 PM EST
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poemless:
I haven't heard much about bird flu in America, so I guess I've not given it any thought.
But there was a global scare a few years ago and the US government stockpiled tamiflu and vaccines in preparation for a bird flu pandemic that never came.

Bird flu, by the way, is still infecting humans...

WHO | Avian influenza

WHO is coordinating the global response to human cases of H5N1 avian influenza and monitoring the corresponding threat of an influenza pandemic. Information on this page tracks the evolving situation and provides access to both technical guidelines and information useful for the general public.


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:22:01 PM EST
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Well, the swine flu came.

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:22:50 PM EST
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the US government stockpiled tamiflu and vaccines in preparation for a bird flu pandemic that never came.

I remember considerable speculation that all of the flu scares at the turn of the millennium were ginned up by Roche to encourage sales of their market leading drug (Tamiflu) before it went out of copyright.

It has gone quiet on the flu front for a few years really, compared to the endless hype back then, and now we're getting something that might be a genuine problem. Roche must be distraught they can't clean up cos it's out of copyright now.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:38:30 PM EST
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Wouldn't the following be fun?

Concern swine flu may be Tamiflu resistant | Otago Daily Times Online

Two New Zealanders expert in genetic shifts and mutations of influenza strains say there is a risk that the swine flu virus spreading out of Mexico may acquire resistance to Tamiflu.


Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:41:14 PM EST
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They are developing a vaccine for it as we speak...

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:47:32 PM EST
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I think the health professionals are so scared of the possibility of an avian flu epidemic that they are consciously staying quiet about it. The WHO articles on this topic are quite scary...
by asdf on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 11:21:39 PM EST
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BBC:What about bird flu?

The strain of bird flu which has caused scores of human deaths in South East Asia in recent years is a different strain to that responsible for the current outbreak of swine flu.

The latest form of swine flu is a new type of the H1N1 strain, while bird, or avian flu, is H5N1.

Experts fear H5N1 hold the potential to trigger a pandemic because of its ability to mutate rapidly.

However, up until now it has remained very much a disease of birds.

Those humans who have been infected have, without exception, worked closely with birds, and cases of human-to-human transmission are extremely rare - there is no suggestion that H5N1 has gained the ability to pass easily from person to person.

I'm not sure it's an apt comparison.

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky

by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:53:03 PM EST
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Of course all it takes is H5N1 to recombine with H1N1 and it's Stephen King time.

What other kinds of flu are there? Bear flu? Platypus flu? Hippo flu? Capybara flu?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:24:45 PM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
Bear flu?
Must.Resist.Temptation.To.Post.Bear.Cavalry.Pic

By the way, is Bear Flu kosher?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:30:54 PM EST
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Probably depends on the bear.

I suppose it would be an apt irony if the US were laid low by its own pork.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:32:43 PM EST
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Don't know if that's suppose to be a joke but a med guy on television just said that you can't get the flu from pork products.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:48:54 PM EST
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That's a frequently asked question.

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:50:47 PM EST
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Among others...



There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:05:50 PM EST
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You would have to pry American's bacon from their cold dead hands.  

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:57:43 PM EST
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Ouch.  Apostrophe fail.


"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:59:26 PM EST
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You and that damned picture. :)

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 08:52:16 PM EST
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Caribou Flu (CariFlu?).  You betcha. (wink)

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:08:14 PM EST
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Wonderful - a public health emergency that can be resolved by shooting things from helicopters.

There's no such thing as original sin - Elvis Costello
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:35:20 PM EST
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Isn't that the plan for Afghanistan too?
by Magnifico on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:58:23 PM EST
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If I contract swine flu, will I turn into a bigger pig than I am already?  (Wait for it)

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:00:04 PM EST
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First we had avian flu, now we have swine flu. Does that mean pigs fly?

Most economists teach a theoretical framework that has been shown to be fundamentally useless. -- James K. Galbraith
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:19:15 PM EST
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Swine flu is an airborne virus.  doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo...

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:20:32 PM EST
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No, but if human beings are contracting swine flu, it's becoming increasingly obvious that Animal Farm was not written as an allegory...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 03:46:01 PM EST
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NY Times: Europe Urges Citizens to Avoid U.S. and Mexico Travel

Earlier on Monday, the European Union's health commissioner on urged Europeans to avoid traveling to the United States or Mexico if doing so was not essential.

The warning came as health officials in Spain confirmed that a man hospitalized in eastern Spain had tested positive for swine flu, becoming what appeared to be Europe's first case of the disease. Health authorities were also testing 17 other suspected cases across Spain, a major hub for travel between Mexico and Europe.

Britain and other European Union nations had already issued travel advisories for those traveling to Mexico, but the European Union's health commissioner went a step further on Monday in urging Europeans to avoid nonessential trips. Europeans, she told reporters in Luxembourg, "should avoid traveling to Mexico or the United States of America unless it is very urgent for them."

The fear that outbreaks of the flu might severely curtail travel was enough to unnerve markets in Europe and Asia, sending stocks tumbling, particularly shares of airlines and other companies in the travel industry.

by Magnifico on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:06:46 PM EST
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Oh, good grief !!!

I've returned from a fun weekend to find even sensible newspapers all but screaming "We're all gonna die !!". Just watched the TV news and the reporter was positively salivating at the prospect of reporting on the death, disease, famine etc to come. Genuinely disgusting.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:12:22 PM EST
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So far the whole thing reads like what I imagine to be Lou Dobbs's idea of a porn novel: a deadly disease that only kills Mexicans spreads throughout North America.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:17:24 PM EST
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And we're not all going to die.  I hear Madagascar has shut its borders....

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 02:18:24 PM EST
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A couple weeks ago was Spring Break at Sac State.  One of my students, Teresa, went away to God knows where but when she came back, she had to cancel our tutoring session; she sounded absolutely awful on the phone, very flu like.  Now I just heard on the news that a lot of kids on Spring Break to Mexico might have brought the swine flu back.  Hope Teresa is OK.  Haven't heard from her for a couple weeks; I just assumed she dropped the Chem. course.  Wonder if I should call her or keep my nose out of it.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:08:07 PM EST
Call her.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:20:32 PM EST
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As the Geez instructs, so do I do.  Be right back.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:31:13 PM EST
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Got her voice-mail.  Will let you know if she gets back to me.  Thanks Geez.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:38:35 PM EST
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We have had blessed rain for the last hour, possibly 1 cm.  We haven't had much for a couple of weeks and I watered the lawn at the rear of the house last evening to coax some actual rain out of the "scattered showers"  predicted for the next seven days.  Well, it is easier than the more reliable "wash the car."  The previous stretch of seven days with predictions of "scattered showers" yielded trace amounts on one day. Rain is a better reason than most to fritter the morning away on ET.  

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:30:38 PM EST
I watered the lawn at the rear of the house last evening to coax some actual rain out of the "scattered showers"  predicted for the next seven days.

That's a big FAIL there buddy.

Don't you know you're supposed to wash your car(s) if you want it to rain?

:-)


Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 07:22:51 PM EST
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Back from a damp weekend in SW France to a damp UK. I've had a bit too much fun over the weekend and will probably have an early night.

Have I missed anything ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 12:39:47 PM EST
and certainly one from the "sometimes you just can't win department"

During a meal I was sitting next to a woman who was considering getting a divorce from her husband and wanted to bounce ideas off me, so with my exactly zero experience of relationships I offered a couple of suggestions based on common sense, such as "talk to him". She evidently didn't like stuff like that, and suggested that, having made a pretty major decision in my life to change gender, I was "smug" about all the other stuff people go through.

Yea, cos transitioning was a doddle and it's all been a bowl of cherries since then. So, yea, from my lofty perch of untouchable moral superiority I can pronounce on the lesser decisions of mortals. Or maybe that's just about the biggest load of presumtuous hooey I ever heard. I was genuinely shocked that somebody could even think that. you just can't win.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:10:22 PM EST
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Harsh of her. She probably attacked you because she knew you were right and didn't want to acknowledge it.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 03:07:31 PM EST
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Maybe, tho she was left in no doubt of the reality of it after my 5 minute tour of the shit that happens during and after transition, the stuff I'm still dealing with (or not dealing with if truth be told)

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 03:27:58 PM EST
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You missed the Return of Jesus.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 03:07:53 PM EST
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Loafer to CJC

As we have discussed before, the weak link is the gap between commercial and community type returns, and if that gap can be bridged, it will be far more likely, but the optimum point is in the middle of a massive recession, so the timing is right ;-)

By example, Radio 4's programme this week on the new wave of British artists in the 80's & 90's discussed how they probably could not have got off the ground without the huge cheap studios they occupied in vacant warehouses.

You might want to consider structures whereby local authorities gift their ageing buildings, and thereby avoid the long term maintenance liability, and who also put in place a very low, but long term guaranteed index linked rental to provide the underlying high quality income stream investors would view in a different way, and thereby light the blue touchpaper.

The contigent liability might be remote enough to create the value, without mucking up the LA balance sheet...

CJC to Loafer

What you are suggesting is exactly what I am doing. The only difference is that there is no guaranteed rental, in that buildings may not be tenanted/ occupied.

But our experience is that with an affordable rental there is a queue of would be occupiers, and in 15 years the charity with whom we were working has never had a vacancy, which is why they want more office space. (but if they borrowed to achieve it, then the rents became unaffordable....)

ie Affordability = Certainty.

Moreover, if rentals are at least in part backed by local government (eg affordable housing rentals backed by housing benefit) then there is even more certainty.

Of course, it would be open to a service provider to sell a guarantee if one is required....

The outcome is essentially of new forms of Municipal Equity, but in a partnership framework, not a Company or Trust law framework.

if you think through the consequences of this, it gets interesting



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:00:13 PM EST
Steve Keen's Debtwatch

My disenchantment with economic theory grew as I learnt more, so that I dropped out of the Honours stream in second year, and ultimately played a leading role in the dispute that erupted in 1973. At the year's end, I was one of two students who were invited to address the Faculty of Economics when it met to consider whether there should be an Inquiry into the Department of Economics (the other was Richard Osborne).

Despite our victory at Sydney University, neoclassical economics grew even more dominant as the years wore on, something that both perplexed and worried me (and many others who developed a career in academic economics while refusing to worship at the neoclassical altar). How could something so wrong be so successful? We knew that the grounds on which its many interventions in public policy-from competition policy to industrial relations to macroeconomic management and monetary policy-were shonky. How come the economy nonetheless seemed to be booming?

The answer, as is now becoming obvious to everyone except diehard neoclassical economists, was that underlying this apparent economic prosperity was a growing pile of debt. Economic prosperity now was being borrowed from the future, as a mountain of debt was accumulated, and the money generated by it spent on an orgy of speculation on share and property markets.

Fortunately, as well as rejecting neoclassical economics, I had also become a fan of Hyman Minsky's "financial instability hypothesis". In my PhD I constructed biology and engineering-inspired mathematical models of Minsky's hypothesis that, unfortunately, proved to be very accurate predictors of what the ultimate outcome of this speculative bubble would be.



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 01:55:15 PM EST
Real Existing Socialism in Our Time, Comrades!

Kommissar Frodo is seizing the means of production!

Dyslexics of the World, UNTIE!!

[Drew's WHEEEEE™ Technology]

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 03:56:31 PM EST
I was under the impression that ET recently appointed some people to look after the "community".  It needs looking after.

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:07:00 PM EST
Huh ? evidently I missed the bunfight.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:13:00 PM EST
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5000 loaves actually.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:13:33 PM EST
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No bunfight.  No flamewar.  

"Talking nonsense is the sole privilege mankind possesses over the other organisms." -Dostoevsky
by poemless on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:15:00 PM EST
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Difficult one. Will consult.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:17:00 PM EST
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I don't know what to make of this video. It is a call for action to US Christians in the face of the rapid growth in the number of muslim americans.

I don't know if the demographic figures quoted are correct or if the conclusions based on those figures presented are correct. But an interesting scenario...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:12:03 PM EST
Unfortunately my browser has decided not to show me many of the videos now on the web. Can't see them here or at dKos. Dunno why.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:37:22 PM EST
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probably flashplayer version, see if you can update or reload it.

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:39:38 PM EST
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I spent an hour today trying to find lost sound to movies playing in Quicktime. Tried everything. Uninstalled, reinstalled latest version. Nada. Tarnation!

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:40:28 PM EST
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Are your speakers turned on?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:41:20 PM EST
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Oh yes. It's strictly a QT pro problem. The same movie sequences play fine in VLC, DiVX etc.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:48:36 PM EST
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Well I can only speak for Uk figures, and from a brief look, the britain has over 1000 churches, many of them former churches. From a brief look round the internet I can only find 4.

Id also argue that its cultural arguments are somewhat suspect.

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:38:52 PM EST
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I'd probably agree, but no wonder the Pope has a rubber fetish - Italy had the lowest birth rate in Europe if we can believe the figures. 8.36/1000 according to government site. 1.23 children per woman according to others - probably info clones.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 04:44:51 PM EST
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The CIA TFR tables in Wikipedia show lots of countries in Europe lower than Italy - Poland, Slovenia and the Czech Republic, for example, with 2008 figures showing Spain exactly the same as Italy. (The same table shows Iran, Algeria and quite a few other Muslim countries with TFR well below France, implying that a lot of the claims in the video are unreliable, to put it politely).
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Apr 27th, 2009 at 05:01:58 PM EST
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