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by Jerome a Paris
Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 09:49:41 AM EST

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Bull, the Bear, Art, War, Sex and Trouble

BAD POLITICS breeds good reactionary art. Throw in some pornography, profanity, and hard-headed art-activists, and - as the director of the Central Art House in Crimean Region learned last weekend - there'll be a public shit storm. The lesson: next time, don't invite the Moscow art-group War to participate unless you're down with conceptual art orgies... or willing to call the cops.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 09:52:56 AM EST
Swords? I don't see no steekin swords.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:18:31 PM EST
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Awesome.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:29:23 PM EST
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especially as it was in the WSJ


U.S. Foresees a Thinner Cushion of Coal

Every year, federal employee George Warholic calculates America's vast coal reserves the same way his predecessors have for decades: He looks up the prior year's coal-reserve estimate, subtracts the year's nationwide production and arrives at a new official tally.

Coal provides nearly one-quarter of the total energy consumed in the U.S., and by Mr. Warholic's estimate, the country has enough in the ground to last about 240 years. A belief in this nearly boundless supply has led officials to dub the U.S. the "Saudi Arabia of Coal."

But the estimate, recent findings show, may be wildly overconfident.

(...)

The agency began with the Powder River's rich Gillette coal field, an 80-mile-long strip in northeastern Wyoming that contains the nation's 10 top-producing mines. About one-third of all coal in the country is produced there. Some 1.2 million short tons leave the field daily, a river of coal filling more than 75 trains of 125 to 150 cars each.

For the Gillette study, USGS engineers, geologists and economists spent three years analyzing data from 10,200 drill holes, the most comprehensive study ever attempted of the region. The team concluded there are 201 billion short tons of coal in the Gillette field. Environmental rules and physical challenges put much of that out of reach, leaving what they figured were 77 billion short tons of recoverable coal.

Little is presently worth mining. Analyzing coal beds that contained 82% of the Gillette deposits, the team determined that with coal selling for $10.50 a ton, the prevailing price two years ago, less than 6% of the coal could be extracted profitably enough to leave mining companies an 8% rate of return.

If Powder River prices were to hit $60 a ton in current dollars, as much as 47% could be extracted. But at that price, coal would have a tough time competing with other fuels and technologies.



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 09:56:45 AM EST
Yea, when I was at school I was told that the UK had all the coal it needed for 300 years, or in political terms, infinity. And all the fish it needed for all eventualities.

Funny how things work out when you're dealing with actuals instead of the wishful.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:43:43 AM EST
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nrc.nl - International - New gloomy predictions for the Dutch economy

In forecasts published on Tuesday, the CPB said its pessimistic outlook is a result of shrinking world trade and because consumers are spending less and saving more. The CPB is the main economical data supplier to the government.

The Dutch economic contraction for 2009 is estimated at 4.75 percent and next year's unemployment is predicted at 9.5 percent of the labour force - 730,000 are expected to be out of work in 2010. In March, the policy bureau predicted a contraction of 3.5 percent this year and unemployment of almost 9 percent in 2010.

The budget deficit estimate is the highest since the CPB started collecting data in 1970. Director Coen Teulings said on Tuesday that the bigger shortfall is no reason for the government to change its anti-crisis measures. "The important thing is that in the long run, beyond 2011, government finances improve again," Teulings said.

Finance minister Wouter Bos, in a reaction on Tuesday, called the numbers "alarming" but also said the government does not intend to change its policies every time new figures are released.

The national debt will grow to 66 percent of GDP next year. Both that and the deficit will exceed the limits set by the eurozone countries.

by Nomad on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 10:44:51 AM EST
BBC NEWS | Business | BA asks staff to work for nothing

British Airways is asking thousands of staff to work for nothing, for up to one month, to help the airline survive.

The appeal, sent by e-mail to more than 30,000 workers in the UK, asks them to volunteer for between one week and one month's unpaid leave, or unpaid work.

BA's chief executive Willie Walsh has already agreed to work unpaid in July, forgoing his month's salary of £61,000.

When asked if there would be profit sharing in good times, he chuckled condescendingly.

Meanwhile plans for a third runway at Heathrow continue.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 10:55:19 AM EST
Meanwhile plans for a third runway at Heathrow continue.

Well, what do you think they are -- trains and buses?

No way.  Airlines and cars get all the infrastructure they want.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:34:50 AM EST
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It's odd how these people think that most of their staff can afford to work for a month with no money. He can. Easily. So can most of his board and senior management.

But why should people risk defaulting on their mortgages, which is what he's asking, to preserve profitability and therefore dividend value, thus ultimately defending his bonus (which will be waaaay in excess of his salary).

It's the sheer self-centred greed and gall of these people that annoys. They make out like bandits and expect their victims to volunteer for extra beatings.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:48:01 AM EST
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Unpaid leave is one thing, but unpaid work - voluntary slavery? really?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:51:15 AM EST
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wasn't that described in the 80's as one of the things that made the communist world unfree, that you would occasionally need to come in and do a days work for nothing, for the company State

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:54:25 AM EST
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Yes, but if you don't comply you'll lose your Job™.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 01:41:27 PM EST
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Thank Money God we're living in a free society.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 01:50:34 PM EST
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And it's all about happiness, or as the French say: "A penis"

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:18:30 PM EST
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EBC | Business | Fourth Dynasty asks staff to work for nothing

Fourth Dynasty is asking thousands of staff to work for nothing, for up to one month to help pyramid building survive.

The appeal, sent on papyrus to more than 30,000 workers in Lower Egypt, asks them to volunteer for between one week and one month's unpaid leave, or unpaid work.

FD's, pharaoh Khnum-Khufu has already agreed to work unpaid in July, forgoing his month's salary of 61,000 gold debens.


by Magnifico on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:57:32 PM EST
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It occurred to me today - while walking up to the Hagia Sophia and later on while shopping to replace some of my dilapidated shirts and weight loss induced ill-fitting jeans - the challenge of traveling is no more. Not after India and parts of SE Asia, that is.

Well, in truth there is a new, minor challenge here - many Turks speak zero English, and this is the first non-English speaking country I've been to on this trip in which I can conceivably pass for a local. In practice, on the first day, this has meant giving people wide eyed, frightened looks, followed by them writing numbers down on a piece of paper, after which observing I hand them money.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:02:02 PM EST
wow, I always  found city salesmen had a firm grasp of english, in facy used to have to have conversations  that consisted of streams of welsh placenames, to dive into a language that they had no hope of bargaining in.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:13:14 PM EST
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Well yeah, in the tourist district here there are plenty of touts talking at you in English. You don't have to go far to escape it, though.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 04:10:00 PM EST
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I have the looks advantage also that, in a white shirt buttoned up without a tie, I can wander unnoticed anywhere from Istanbul to Tehran.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:20:56 PM EST
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I guess the nose helps too...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:21:33 PM EST
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especially when you have a cold.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:44:16 PM EST
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That comment went wheeeeeee right over my head...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:49:33 PM EST
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A blackadder II reference. Can't find a youtube.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 03:33:56 PM EST
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I'm not so good on Blackadder, but I can quote The Mighty Boosh at length.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 03:47:21 PM EST
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you'd probably better not ask for danish pastry on that cakewalk...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 09:21:45 PM EST
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I presume that it is New Lira now. You're missing the giddy ritual of getting used to a quote of millions of lira for a piece of chocolate?

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:35:52 PM EST
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New Lira, yeah. I've been a millionaire in Laos and Vietnam, though.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 04:08:34 PM EST
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I also saw a supermarket named "Macro Center" which is clearly what walmart should have been called.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 05:51:19 PM EST
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My "screen" width (I'm not sure what it should be called) parameters seem to be failing.  When I go to diaries the text goes way, way past the end of the page and I have to move the bottom doohickey for each line.  Is there a way to get the text to fit on the screen?

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 12:50:23 PM EST
I see that SNAFU occasionally, when I enter a thread. I figured, someone, somewhere entered a hidden (ASCII) character. Hellifiknow which one. Cooda been typed in, Cooda been pasted in --from word processing app to ET text field.

Possible fixes:
Change word processing app.
Change file format (Save As "text") of your draft.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:13:21 PM EST
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Thanks

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:14:20 PM EST
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Today started off really badly when the children at work told us a missing child had been hit by a car and had a rapidly escalating number of broken limbs and two skull fractures.

It got a whole lot better when the school contacted the parents and discovered reports of his/her near demise had been exaggerated. S/he'll be back at school in a couple of days.  :)

by Sassafras on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 01:42:04 PM EST
the juniour school rumour mill was always extremely bloodthirsty.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 02:25:24 PM EST
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Is it normal for some people to follow others on Twitter just for the hell of it? I have a Twitter account with only three tweets, the gist of the first two of which amount to, "What the heck do I do now?" and the third had to do with a sweepstakes from someone else's page. And someone just signed up to follow my account. This is weird. Should I be flattered or wary?
by lychee on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 03:18:53 PM EST
I'm not against these interconnections between people in principle, but I find many of them very high maintenance.

I think you should be wary ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 03:51:18 PM EST
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You should probably ask that on twitter.
by ectoraige on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 04:53:26 AM EST
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My twelve to fourteen hour days, seven days a week, ah workin' on the old whorehouse - it was, back in the 'teens and twenties - are coming to an end.  We should have the final round of inspections next week and ta-DAH be able to move in.

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 06:13:34 PM EST
Christ on a cracker, you're still working on the house?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 06:24:39 PM EST
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Yup.

But the End is Nigh.


No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 06:35:58 PM EST
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Just to give an idea of how big this place is: the downstairs Great Room is 40' by 12' 10" and that's ONE room on ONE side of a central hallway (5 feet wide) with rooms off the hall, and the kitchen, beyond, is 14' by 12' 10".

Now add the back room, running the width of the house, that adds another 10'.

And then there's the second floor.

It's absurd.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 06:44:50 PM EST
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Jaysus.  That's a lotta house.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 06:48:52 PM EST
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Yeah, and the ... place.  was.  trashed.

The office I'm in now is the only room on the second floor that didn't have to have the ceiling replaced.  (Water doesn't do a bit o' good to lath and plaster.)  That meant tearing down the old ceiling and replacing with sheetrock.  By myself.  Fun, but of the mild sort.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 06:58:48 PM EST
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Have you seen the Ensign affair story yet, by the way?  I just saw it a second ago.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 07:12:17 PM EST
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One more candidate for 2012 gone. But I don't know if he'll also lose his Senate seat. Just another affair with a staffer, at least until some visual content is revealed.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 09:16:53 PM EST
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Huh.  I would've thought it make him a contender.

Lessee: Newt, McCain, Dole, Rudy....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 09:26:26 PM EST
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All failures!
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 05:16:22 AM EST
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But all contenders in the GOP, you must admit. :)

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 05:46:27 AM EST
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Yep
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 06:02:30 AM EST
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LOL

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:32:13 PM EST
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What are the ceiling heights, construction type and approximate age?  Sounds like a vintage bldg.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 10:18:32 PM EST
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We think it was built around 1905 in the standard Territorial style of the era.  The exterior walls are double brick adobe 20" thick.  There is a central hall on both floors as a breeze way with large transom windows meeting the ceilings over the exterior doors.  The interior doors have transom windows also.  Downstairs the ceilings are 10' high, upstairs 8'.  The interior walls and ceilings are lath and plaster except where I had to remove and replace with sheetrock, mudding, etc. due to damage of one sort or another.  I have lathed and plastered in the past but there was too much of muchness to afford the time (and energy) to replicate the original construction.

Let's see, what else ...

The interior is double-cantilevered over the the exterior walls and central hallways carried down to 10" x 10" posts on stone for a foundation.  The exterior foundation is about a foot of dry laid flagstone.  

The roof is the old 1/4" corrugated steel held off by the most bizarre mish-mash of struts I've ever seen.  It seems they used whatever odds & sods they had lying around. It works so ... what the hell.

Apparently, and I haven't checked with the local history museum, the building had commercial spaces on the first floor with apartments/rooms on the second.  The Great Room was constructed by knocking out the interior walls sometime in the late teen's or twenties to be used as the 'meet and greet room' when it was a brothel.    

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 11:30:38 PM EST
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Sounds like you have yourself quite a building.  National Register of Historic Places?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 08:25:23 AM EST
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Could.

We have no plans to do so.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 09:43:14 AM EST
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by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 07:23:55 PM EST
I am traveling this Saturday to UK first for few days to visit some relatives and then to Serbia and probably Montenegro on the Adriatic coast. I wonder what am I going to find there. I am not staying in London , actually I am going to Sheffield and Lester and it will be interesting to see what life is looking like in these cities. I already have heard that many young people lost their jobs ( one of my relative amongst them).
In Serbia I do not know what to expect. My brother's business is close to bankruptcy while my husband's brother's business is thriving enormously (unbelievably).
I hope to come with nice photos anyway.
You guys have fun here !      
by vbo on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 02:21:39 AM EST
Srećan put!
by lychee on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 03:00:21 AM EST
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Hvala!
I wonder how many people can pronounce this, haha.
by vbo on Wed Jun 17th, 2009 at 09:31:08 AM EST
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