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by Jerome a Paris
Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 10:06:12 AM EST

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ECB pumps record €442bn into system

The European Central Bank has pumped a record €442.2bn into the eurozone banking system in a first-ever offer of unlimited one-year funds as it battles continental Europe's severe recession.

The results of the operation, part of ECB efforts to revive the eurozone economy by rejuvenating the financial system, highlighted expectations that liquidity will not be available again on such favourable conditions. The previous largest amount injected in a single ECB operation was €348.6bn in December 2007.

Demand for the one year funds - offered at the ECB's main policy rate of just 1 per cent - appears to have been boosted significantly by financial markets' growing conviction that ECB interest rates will not fall any further.

The operation is expected to push down significantly market borrowing costs, including 12 month interest rates, which are already lower than in the US. Julian Callow, European economist at Barclays Capital, added: "This gives the banking sector greater confidence still in order to be able to make loans and acquire assets."

That means that all eurozone banks received as much ultra cheap medium term liquidity as they thought they needed. It doesn't change their risk aversion, but it takes away any excuse not to lend linked to financial markets.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 11:05:24 AM EST
Jerome a Paris:
a first-ever offer of unlimited one-year funds
This is not the first ever unlimited offer of funds, though. An offer of unlimited two-week funds was made in December 2007, to tide banks over the closing of the annual accounts.

Patches upon patches...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 11:11:39 AM EST
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well, one-year funds are rather different from two-week funds, especially as these were provided over the year-end period, a tense period even in good times.

But it means that bnaks are flush with cash (alongside tons of toxic assets, of course...)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 11:20:20 AM EST
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What the banks are not flush with is creditworthy customers, there being a deep recession and all that.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 11:30:35 AM EST
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Surely there must be some management team ready to turn a functioning company into a bloated, debt-ridden, zombie pyramid scheme that can create massive layoffs and economic dislocation as it collapses after a couple of years of desperate efforts marked by sleazy business practices, outright fraud and wholesale bribery?
by rootless2 (redacted) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 11:47:17 AM EST
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Predicting SCO's Actions Post Bankruptcy

'It starts to hint that this is more a renaming, taking in some new management who seem to have financial expertise, and SCO keeps skipping along as unXis, with the dangerous litigation spun off safely into a litigation troll.'


Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 12:11:45 PM EST
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rootless2:
Surely there must be some management team ready to turn a functioning company into a bloated, debt-ridden, zombie pyramid scheme that can create massive layoffs and economic dislocation as it collapses after a couple of years of desperate efforts marked by sleazy business practices, outright fraud and wholesale bribery?

I'm in.

Anyone else?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 12:21:39 PM EST
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Definitely.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 12:39:38 PM EST
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Hey I've definitely got the bank statements to prove I have the financial skills for such a job.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 12:58:08 PM EST
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We're set. Now we just need a banker or two.
by rootless2 (redacted) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:08:20 PM EST
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preferably one who's been stress tested.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:18:47 PM EST
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Maybe those guys who did the Amherst Financial deal are ready to talk.
by rootless2 (redacted) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:43:31 PM EST
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can't help you, they're all in prison.

oh, wait...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 03:37:34 PM EST
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Surely there must be some management team ready to turn a functioning company into a bloated, debt-ridden, zombie pyramid scheme...

But, but it will be GROWTH,     even if it is malignant.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 08:29:04 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jerome a Paris:
The previous largest amount injected in a single ECB operation was €348.6bn in December 2007.

why am i getting visions of botox shots when i read this?

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 03:33:11 PM EST
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Wow, looks like someone turned on the summer while I was away.

Makes me wonder what else happened while my back was turned.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 12:49:38 PM EST
Shorter financial industry oversight restructuring:

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 12:53:38 PM EST
is a bubble and it's about to burst. Sell now before the market correction cat pounces.
by Magnifico on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 02:23:51 PM EST
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I have a fat belly filled with fat Turkish food. I need to find good restaurants - I have been to one good restaurant and two good dessert places (one with a local, woo), but I can do better. Tomorrow I will have my fat belly pampered at a Turkish bath and book train tickets to Ankara (then a bus to Göreme).

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:22:02 PM EST
Wow, I've always wnated to go to goreme. I even tried to volunteer at the Fairy chimney Inn (work for board) but they had a list filled with them months in advance.

Pictures !!!

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:34:29 PM EST
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It is amazing, I have to search my other computer, but should have a pile of pictures from there. If you ever get there, you have to visit the underground city, the valley of chapels, and break free of any guides and climb the inside of some of the buildings (There are some that are available for things like that, guides do try to rush you past them to places where they can sell you tourist tat though)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:57:20 PM EST
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It will be my third epic wind/rain carved sandstone viewing. First was Mungo national park in Australia:

Then Lamayuru valley in Ladakh, India (this one much better in high res):



you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 02:53:30 PM EST
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err, I just looked it up, it's not sandstone in Cappadocia. Not that it matters.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 02:58:57 PM EST
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it's ash, but it sure does look like sandstone.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 04:29:22 PM EST
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Oh there will be photos.

I need to get going on my India diary too, I haven't been in a mood to write it.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 02:29:50 PM EST
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I'd just like to say that the kerfuffle around the Governor of S Carolina, Mark Sanford, is just the most entertaining thing for ages.

A republican of course.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:37:32 PM EST
I am loving this...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 01:39:37 PM EST
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To quote Atrios: "I had no idea that the Appalachian Trail went all the way to Argentina."
by Magnifico on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 02:21:38 PM EST
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They're holding a presser and he has yet to arrive.  Where is he now?  Morocco?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 02:23:43 PM EST
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At least according to the CS Monitor: Sanford returns home to impeachment rumblings.
by Magnifico on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 02:28:49 PM EST
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He's certainly toast. He's so bad Fox have labelled him a democrat.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 03:29:51 PM EST
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Reps should look on the bright side: At least this one was with a woman.

So it's at least slightly less outrageously hypocritical than normal.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 03:32:20 PM EST
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Predictable hypocrisy:

Sanford on Livingston

"The bottom line, though, is I am sure there will be a lot of legalistic explanations pointing out that the president lied under oath. His situation was not under oath. The bottom line, though, is he still lied. He lied under a different oath, and that is the oath to his wife. So it's got to be taken very, very seriously." [Sanford on Livingston, CNN, 12/18/98
And on Clinton
"I think it would be much better for the country and for him personally (to resign). I come from the business side. If you had a chairman or president in the business world facing these allegations, he'd be gone." [Sanford on Clinton, The Post and Courier, 9/12/98]
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:39:12 AM EST
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To be fair, he told his staff he'd be tapping some Argentina tail, but they misheard "hiking the Appalachian Trail."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 03:21:58 PM EST
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ROTFL.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 03:27:58 PM EST
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Better still:  adultery is illegal in SC.

Sweet Lord, it's Xmas!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:01:13 PM EST
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Dang! I initially thought he was pulling a Bill Bryson but this is even funnier than Burlesquoni...

Do you have more characters like him over there? Could you spare one or two for us in Yurp?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:46:31 PM EST
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More?  Oh, dear, dear Bernard, Sanford isn't even that much of a freak.

Google "David Vitter" and "diaper".

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:53:32 PM EST
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I only have myself to blame for clicking on this diary....

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 06:14:37 PM EST
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Times:
The identity of the leaker is unknown, although they were reportedly forwarded from the Governor's personal email account. Mr Sanford has revealed that his wife Jenny first found out about the affair at about the same time.

Mr Sanford's office has not disputed that the emails are authentic, according to The State.

by Sassafras on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:49:02 PM EST
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Ruh-roh.  So wifey turned the emails over?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:25:48 PM EST
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Bernard
Do you have more characters like him over there? Could you spare one or two for us in Yurp?

Yes We Have!  At last!  The USA finds an export product for which there is a global demand.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 08:53:02 PM EST
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When we alrady have Berlu and Sarko ?? { boggles }

I'd add Brown except they need to be larger-than-life figures and Brown is too politically insubstantial to qualify.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:38:05 AM EST
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Once he's PM, Cameron will definitely be in there, though.

I'd have to leave Brown out on grounds that he's still a lot better than Sarko or Butterball.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:44:06 AM EST
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funniest comment of the month, Drew.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:25:07 PM EST
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A republican of course.

Are you pointing this out for the benefit of those who get their news from Fox?

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 10:19:35 PM EST
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How bout them soccer 'mericans!!

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 04:22:36 PM EST
Just sat and watched it. Two absolutely ridiculous Spanish defensive errors, but applause to The Americans for making them pay, and Heroic defending on their part too.

No doubt there will be black armbands in Madrid tonight.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 04:25:58 PM EST
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I saw the first 15 minutes and the last 40 (missed the first goal). I give more credit to Team USA for making Spain play silly, with the pressure. In the first 15 minutes, they nailed Spain to their own goal! On the basis of the last 40 minutes, (1) it is a well organised team (it's one thing Spain's defenders tricked each other and played the ball to the enemy, but the guy was well positioned and quick to react), (2) I have a feeling that we will see more of keeper Howard.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:02:06 PM EST
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well i forget which premiership side he plays for, but we see him most weeks on match of the day.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:46:18 PM EST
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Everton

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:32:30 AM EST
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Ha! Never saw an Everton match on the channels I receive now.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:26:45 AM EST
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But I think the guys on dKos need to be told this is not the World Cup. Truth be told, there are probably only 2 or 3 teams that can live with the full Spain team right now and USA ain't one of them.

don't worry, neither are England.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:51:38 PM EST
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Diary on dKos says he/she can't wait for the World Cup next year.  Sounds like they know.

And they beat Spain, so pssshhh to the rest of that.  A win is a win.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:54:55 PM EST
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Oh sure, a win is a win. England are still living off winning the world cup 43 years ago. And I can still remember the smell of beating Germany 5 - 1 a few years back.

But achieving anything in a real competition ? If only.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:34:19 AM EST
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I was on holiday on Rhodes, saw Germany go 1-0 up, and so we decided it was going to be one of those nights, and went for a meal in  the old city as it wasn't an important game.

Bit of a shock when we came out to dancing drunken England fans in the streets.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:17:58 AM EST
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So hang on -- it was the full Spain team, according to Mig and DoDo.

So how can we not be among the two or three who can play with the full Spain team when our guys just, you know, beat them?

Judge rules -- Epic WIN.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:49:44 AM EST
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The US started this tournament in the top 14 teams according to the FIFA classification...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:54:45 AM EST
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they are frequently up around the top ten, this goes a way towards showing that the figures aren't just being fiddled to up the profile of the sport in the US as some have assumed.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:35:23 AM EST
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They're in South Africa because they are North America champions, which means they're better than Mexico.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:51:46 AM EST
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In fairness, that's because we stole all the good Latino players.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:57:44 AM EST
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Self-deprecation is unamerican :P

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:00:35 AM EST
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Not true.  At least not in the South.  It's the most common form there.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:08:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Still, those figures are troublesome: some teams tend to be up and then underperform in tournaments. Prime exhibit: the Czech team.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 04:24:54 PM EST
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Spain was exhibit A until the last European cup.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:05:41 PM EST
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Then again, as Helen indicates, this is not a tournament that is taken seriously. (Just watch how Brazil played today. Or better, don't watch...) The WC will also mean more matches (for the teams in the finals).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 04:28:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I thought "the full Spain team" played yesterday?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 04:07:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yep.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:32:41 AM EST
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Oh sure, the players were there in body, but in spirit .. . they're on the beach alrady. For them, this was just a friendly.

I'm not trying to be mean here, I'm sure we'd be cock a hoop if England beat Spain right now (staggered and amazed would be closer), but it only means stuff in real competitions (and the confederations cup don't qualify)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:13:02 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Credit crunch takes toll on super-rich

The ranks of the world's super-rich have been shredded by the credit crunch, undermining the theory that the wealthy are better at holding on to their money.

The global population of "ultra high net worth individuals" - defined as those with at least $30m (€22m) to invest - shrank by nearly 25 per cent in 2008 to 78,000, according to the latest World Wealth Report produced by Merrill Lynch and Capgemini. The collective net wealth of these super-rich slumped by 24 per cent after a year of bank crises, government bail-outs and stock market routs.

High net worth individuals - worth $1m, excluding their homes - fared poorly as well but not quite as severely, suffering a 19.5 per cent decline in their wealth. The population of these individuals fell by 15 per cent.

The unprecedented declines wiped out two years of robust growth, reducing both the total number of rich people and their wealth to levels last seen in 2005.

2005? Poor things.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 05:21:52 PM EST
by Magnifico on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 09:17:39 PM EST
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and the weather is hot.  Heading into the city this weekend for a taste of Chicago, probably take the girls on the train and the redline.  Nice to be back in the midwest.  Hello poemless!

"I said, 'Wait a minute, Chester, You know I'm a peaceful man...'" Robbie Robertson
by NearlyNormal on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 10:03:49 PM EST
We expect pictures at some point! Enjoy!
by Nomad on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:49:28 AM EST
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