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by Jerome a Paris
Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:19:55 AM EST

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25 June and  I turning into a loon.

Surviving recession == more work, less money. Bah.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:26:43 AM EST
You mean you can't feel those green shoots rustling under your floor ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:41:18 AM EST
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I'm pretty sure that noise is evil recession gnomes.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:28:43 AM EST
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Question: are kanji fast to read?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:36:12 AM EST
Kana (Japanese syllabary) is read faster than kanji, according to Maryanne Wolf in Proust and the Squid: The Story and Science of the Reading Brain and syllabary is of a similar "efficiency" to an alphabet. (Efficiency being defined as the  the capacity of a writing system to be read fluently and with comprehension).

None of which indicates that the logographic systems are actually slow...but it does seem they're not quite as fast.

by Sassafras on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:38:54 PM EST
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How to play the vuvuzela - Mail & Guardian Online: The smart news source
Be prepared, because no one will take your football credentials seriously if you can't play the plastic trumpet.

And with video!

by Nomad on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:38:30 AM EST
when reading through some of the comments about the burka and wearing scarves, I remembered that there was a time when wearing scarves was cool and fashionable. There was even a Grace Kelly style of wearing scarves. I posted some pictures here. When did the scrave become un-cool in the west?

While looking for the pictures I also found the following:

Historical Use of Women's Scarves

A scarf is widely worn by a woman from all parts of the world whether related to a certain religion or as part of a fashion garment. A scarf is a piece of cloth that is used as protection or as fashion or as a religious veil.   

The scarf is different in name and in description depending on the religion. It symbolizes sanctity, character and modesty. Both men and women alike wear scarves either as turbans or veils as part of the religious attire. The Muslims, for instance, wear a head scarf specifically by the women and known also as hijab. This hijab serves as a curtain that enables the women to her privacy.  The Catholics wear veils to cover the heads and symbolizes holiness. In Tibet, the scarves serve as a protective accessory and were used by the pilots so as to avoid in breathing the exhaust fumes. 

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Entertainment came into the picture when scarves were included in the glamour and spotlight of showbiz. It is when the likes of Greta Garbo and Grace Kelley wore scarves in a stylish way and was shown on the different movies. These scarves in fashion were made from different fabrics like cotton, silk, wool, rayon and even the synthetic nylons scarves are put around the neck and head as it is very light.

Maybe as I still have some of those scarves, I should wear one for the ET-Meetup? :-) Paris is often windy enough to make it comfortable to wear.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 10:50:45 AM EST
I have always suspected the fashion scarf evolved out of the piety scarf. Largely because they weren't well known in the UK and so I always associated it with catholic cultures. Especially when you note that they started off dark with pattern and then became progressively lighter as society threw off older cutural shackles.

Italian and French style  were also v v fashionable in 50s which is where the rest of the western world caught the idea.

But in the 60s theCalifornian beach style of free hair became the icon and scarves were dispensed with except in rich high fashion circles of Jackie Onassis etc.

But hiding the hair, in any society, is a form of  control that is imposed within a patriarchal tradition, even if it is the women who end up policing conformity. And guess what ? I'm agin it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:32:21 AM EST
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It's also been popular for men, on and off. What decent man would have been seen outdoors without a hat? There's a lot more going on there than   patriarchal control.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:39:30 AM EST
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On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at

Tha's bahn' to catch thy deeath o` cowd
Then we shall ha' to bury thee
Then t'worms'll come an` eyt thee up

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:43:51 AM EST
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But see my comment below.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:56:04 AM EST
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But that's not for hiding hair - it's for hiding the lack of it.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:24:52 PM EST
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Yes, but I think one reason the scarfe was a fashionable in Italy and other countries in the 50s and 60s was probably the Vespa and the convertible, were it was just a good way to protect your hair and keep it out of your face.

It is interesting that there is rarely any talk about the women of conservative jews covering their hair. I had my office in near the synagoge and I was always wondering why so many of the jewish women were wearing wigs. Until somebody told me that they were not allowed to go outside with there head uncovered.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:43:16 AM EST
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The fascinating thing being that a wig counts as hair covering.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:52:10 AM EST
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As in "wear your wig-hat on your head."

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:20:23 PM EST
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This only applies to married women.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:26:53 PM EST
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Helen:
I have always suspected the fashion scarf evolved out of the piety scarf.
Indeedy: the following are Iranians in a Tehran café
from the must-read diary Free minds, not hair. by the stormy present on January 16th, 2007

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:51:48 AM EST
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Slavery to fashion AND male sexual insecurity!

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:08:49 PM EST
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Many headscarves in Istanbul?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:11:52 PM EST
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I'd say 5 to 15% (hard to gauge since I am biased towards the commercial and tourist districts but I have left them several times). Everyone else dresses like fashionable Europeans. (After two months in India I feel like a young Indian guy making his first visit to a European beach.)

Of those wearing the scarf, none show any skin beyond face and hands, which makes sense to me, as the concept at least on the surface seems be be whittled down to conservative muslims. About half wear full length coats, of those about half appear fashionable, the other half (more common among older women) wear drab gray wool Soviet-Russia looking coats. The other half wear long skirts with long baggy tops. I've seen a statistically insignificant number of women with the Saudi style get up (which still does and always will creep me out).

In Malaysia, the Malay women pay lip service to the whole idea - underneath they wear black, skin-tight full length tights and shirts, and over that wear what they would wear otherwise, usually short skirts and tops with very short sleeves.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:24:24 PM EST
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I think you're right about the Christian origin, and it isn't only Catholic. My SO and I were talking about it, and we said we had each seen a change since our childhood in the 1950s, when it was inconceivable that a woman enter church (RC in her upbringing, Protestant in mine) without a head covering - a scarf or a hat. This is not as strict an unspoken rule today.

And the biblical injunction on which this was based?

St Paul, 1 Corinthians, King James version

3: But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4: Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
5: But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6: For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.
7: For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
8: For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
9: Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
...
13: Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
14: Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
15: But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

And what was this a fashionable fossil form of?


by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:55:09 AM EST
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Reading the biblical injunction closely, it is utter nonsense. None of the statements are logically justified.

It's more likely Paul is reflecting pre-existing eastern Mediterranean mores.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:58:11 AM EST
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Of course he is, and providing them with the trappings of the new religion. All three religions - judeo-christian-muslim - have maintained patrirchal traditions of the semitic peoples in this way. This is why, imo, the hijab/niqab/burqa controversy is not properly speaking to do with religion.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:02:53 PM EST
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And that's the issue with the burka finally, its imposition is merely cultural, but is defended as if it is a religious requirement.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:47:09 PM EST
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I think it's what clouds the issue. The burqa is not an issue of freedom of religion, any more than excision, arranged marriages, and polygamy are. (Disclaimer: I'm not conflating these with the burqa).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 at 02:07:25 AM EST
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When I was little I thought women wore head scarves to keep their hair from blowing in the wind.  Of course, back then I thought women were weaker, less intelligent, less practical, and more emotional than men.  And back then I had never heard of a hijab or a burka, or that a woman should walk ten paces behind her man, or that a woman should submit without question to the authority of her father/grandfather/husband/uncle/brother/priest.  I didn't know patriarchal societies cast women in that role.  I thought they were just made that way.  I thought everyone knew that.

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:46:42 AM EST
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budr:
I didn't know patriarchal societies cast women in that role.  I thought they were just made that way.  I thought everyone knew that.
Priceless...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:53:46 AM EST
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And now you know better?! :-D
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:55:30 AM EST
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Well, I like to think so...

Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.
by budr on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:43:57 PM EST
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back then I thought women were weaker, less intelligent, less practical, and more emotional than men.

Ha !! You obviously never met my mother.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:45:38 PM EST
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Scarves went the way of hats in general.  Maybe they will make a comeback?
by jjellin on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:51:47 AM EST
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But anyone who is anyone wears a scarf around their necks these days.  I first noticed it in Europe, and came back all Euro-ed out with a scarf tied around my neck.  Now, you're a suit if you don't have a scarf around your neck.  Universal signifier of the lefty, intellectual, artistic, hipster or fashionista class.  

Dress is a form of self-expression, and I am all about freedom of expression.  Even when I don't agree with what is being expressed.  You know, what Voltaire might have said, but didn't actually say...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:21:30 PM EST
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There's a fashion discussion - and where's Izzy???

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:08:46 PM EST
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This eurostat document (PDF!) suggests that the effective rate on capital is significantly higher than on labor in the UK but not in most continental countries...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 11:38:05 AM EST
Al Jazeera English - Americas - US GDP 'better than expected'

The US economy shrank slightly less than previously thought in the first three months of the year, although overall economic activity remains weak, US figures have shown.

Gross Domestic Product (GDP), which measures total output within the US, fell at a 5.5 per cent annual rate in 2009's first financial quarter, the US commerce department said on Thursday, better than the 5.7 per cent it reported last month.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:18:43 PM EST
ceebs:
The US economy shrank slightly less than previously thought
When that's good news, you know you're in trouble.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:27:47 PM EST
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Economics and Politics - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com

And I laid out the following scenario:

So here's the picture that scares me: It's September 2009, the unemployment rate has passed 9 percent, and despite the early round of stimulus spending it's still headed up. Mr. Obama finally concedes that a bigger stimulus is needed.

But he can't get his new plan through Congress because approval for his economic policies has plummeted, partly because his policies are seen to have failed, partly because job-creation policies are conflated in the public mind with deeply unpopular bank bailouts.

It's only June, but Republicans are already claiming that the Obama economic plan has failed. (Yes, that's insane -- hardly any of the money has flowed to the economy yet -- but this was predictable.) Meanwhile, unemployment is already above 9 percent.



A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:39:45 PM EST
Even if Obama loses in the next election, I don't think we're looking at the risk of an ultra-nationalist "China needs to be nuked for stealing our god-given power" style politician getting elected until 2016 or 2020.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 12:43:32 PM EST
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It's true, but he doesn't have a credible opposition either.  The Republicans have spent five months blowing their own feet off, and they still don't show any signs of stopping.  (If anything, they're looking for better weapons to do it with.)

I think the health care fight will be the important one to watch.  If Obama gets a genuine universal program together that the typical person can afford, then I think it's probably Game Over for the Reps in 2012, because suddenly even the Bubbas are going to look around and say, "Huh, I got me some health care.  This Obama feller's lookin' out for me."

You can't beat that, even with a good nominee, which is why the Dems need to get it together and win this fight.  It'll make their lives a lot easier down the road.

Obama and the Dems have fucked up repeatedly so far on that, but thankfully they seem to be finally -- slowly -- finding their footing just as the Reps are again reeling and pissing on each other.  Note that Obama's -- and, to a lesser extent, the Dems' -- polling has improved since he decided to cut the shit and start hitting on the public option with a new PR push.

Three years is a long, long time in politics.  Remember that unemployment under Reagan was above 10%, too, and it was above 10% in the third year of his presidency, whereas Obama will face it in the first year of his (Most Important Rule in American Politics: Hope to God your recession comes early if one's going to come).

Add the fact that Obama's probably going to be raising $100m per month, and that no Republican is going to come close to that, and you see that, even if he's had a rough go of it, Obama will like be overwhelmingly favored.

And if the guy from the Young Turks is right again (after predicting al-Zawahiri's [or whatever his name was] demise) -- that bin Laden is now Dead Man Walking and gone in a year with the American and Pakistani forces breathing down his neck in Waziristan -- the Reps will really be finished.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:04:18 PM EST
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Drew J Jones:
I think the health care fight will be the important one to watch.  If Obama gets a genuine universal program together that the typical person can afford, then I think it's probably Game Over for the Reps in 2012, because suddenly even the Bubbas are going to look around and say, "Huh, I got me some health care.  This Obama feller's lookin' out for me."
Obama messes up on health care, big time - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com
Really bad news on the health care front. After making the case for a public option, and doing it very well, Obama said this:

"We have not drawn lines in the sand other than that reform has to control costs and that it has to provide relief to people who don't have health insurance or are underinsured," Mr. Obama said. "Those are the broad parameters that we've discussed."

There he goes again, gratuitously making a big gift to the other side.



A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:24:41 PM EST
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Maybe, but I think Father Paul is being a little too panicked over that statement.

Although he's right on the rest -- that the reformers need to go out and stiffen the administration's spine.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:38:19 PM EST
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the reformers need to go out and stiffen the administration's spine.

what spine ? I hope everybody is right about these green shoots of liberalism emerging from the White house cos all I see is the same old pre-emptive surrender to the repugs that disfigured the dems during the Bush administration.

I mean, Harry Reid is still there isn't he ? So that's a great big jellyfish-stained white flag all over DC to start with.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:43:33 PM EST
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I'm talking about the activists, not the politicians.

Obama can stand up there and talk about the public option until he's blue in the face, but if the work to get the asshats in Congress on board isn't done -- and that requires the activists -- then it ain't gonna happen.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:50:35 PM EST
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It's like something out of Mad magazine - trying to guess who's more incompetent.

'Over to you with my aggressively incoherent backhand!' [fumble, fumble]
'No, over to you with a wild shot which takes out a ballgirl!' [pitiful pratfall]
'Back atcha!' [serious self-inflicted eye injury with an angry Argentinian carp]
'Whuuu...!' [catastrophic collision with a soft toy vending machine]

Repeat until no one cares any more.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:45:55 PM EST
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You bin watching Wimbledoom.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:43:19 PM EST
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yup, it's like the whole world is getting a lesson in how not to run a government.

that last speech of obama's he had enough eyeliner,  mascara and lavender-hued eyeshadow on to give zsa zsa gabor a fit of envy.

it gave a bit of an some-girls edge to the grave, lofty peptalk, more saturnalia than saturnine.

i guess maybe he always used it, but not laid on with a trowel like now.

greasepaint is, er, un-statesmanlike, (unless you're dario fo...!)

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:19:45 PM EST
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Independent - Gay referee gets red card in Turkey

Turkey's football authorities were at the centre of a growing scandal this week after a referee they had sacked for homosexuality and outed to the press began fighting back in the courts and the press.
[....]
His principled stance brought him a wave of support. Three-quarters of Trabzon's 80 referees rang him up to congratulate him. Thirty thousand people signed a petition launched by Turkey's most influential newspaper backing his campaign. One columnist even compared him to Harvey Milk, America's first openly gay politician. Turkey's deputies brought his case to parliament. Most importantly for Mr Dincdag, his pious family, from whom he had kept his homosexuality secret, stood behind him.
[....]
Empowered by Turkey's European Union accession bid, the Turkish gay and lesbian rights lobby has become increasingly outspoken over the past decade. Activists say Mr Dincdag's fight for his rights has the potential to become a landmark case. "For years, the European Union has been talking about the importance of legislation on sexual discrimination in the workplace," said Ali Erol, a spokesman for KAOS-GL, an Ankara-based gay and lesbian rights group. "So far Turkey has not taken one step forward."


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:39:52 PM EST
Fun with Wordle

Wordle: Eurotrib


Somewhere in cyberspace, the ghost of de Chardin is smiling.

by budr on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:56:31 PM EST
BBC |  Drivers to quote Gandhi on Tube

The words of Gandhi, Einstein, Jean Paul Sartre and other great thinkers are to be quoted in service announcements on London's Underground.

Transport for London has commissioned Turner Prize-winning artist Jeremy Deller to compile a list of bon mots to be used by Tube drivers.

Among the quotes on offer will be Gandhi's, "there is more to life than increasing at speed".

Deller hopes they will make commuters' journeys a bit more thought provoking.

Cezanne's, "we live in a rainbow of chaos" and Jean-Paul Sartre's, "hell is other people" will also be recited by Tube drivers.

Deller's original plan was to abolish all public address announcements for a day.

And I thought "Mind the Gap" got annoying....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 01:57:14 PM EST
Yesterday aired the first episode of the series Mad Men on Dutch television. Apparently it wasn't meant to be broadcast, but high sales of the DVDs of the series might have got people to reconsider.

As South African (public) television was atrociously sucky, and as I then was stuck with a laptop without DVD player, I've gone through a dry spell with regard to good quality television series with grand story telling. At some point, probably when the cold returns, I'll have to finish The Sopranos and 6 Feet Under, both series which I found orgasmic material, in contrast to (blasphemy alert!) Dr. Who.

So watching Mad Men was like fresh rain on pattering parched soil and I'm keen to see more of it. In an aside, I've often glorified the sixties period in the States - I think I've repeatedly written before that the 1960s in the States, particularly the revolutionary final 5 years, always have had a hypnotic effect on me.

So, are other people watching Mad Men?

by Nomad on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:08:08 PM EST
it's over and done, here in italy, but was on last year.

i enjoyed it very much indeed, as tv series drama goes, it's as good as it gets. extra fascinating because my dad was an ad exec during that era, so some of the resonances are very interesting. the stylists really worked hard, and the result is as glossy, contrived and surreal as the Bernais-ian spells the agencies were casting.

six feet under and the sopranos had me hooked as well.

good tv drama, it's come such a long way...

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:22:34 PM EST
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Kill me, please.

...aside from the fact that it'd be against a shitload of really good laws?

Can't wait for her to be gerrymandered out in 2010.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:08:45 PM EST
She is well on her way to being a "serious" (RW) candidate on the national scene.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:37:31 PM EST
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is Clinical paranoia a disqualifying characteristic for public office?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:10:07 PM EST
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Is she really any crazier than Dick Cheney?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:38:52 PM EST
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is Clinical paranoia a disqualifying characteristic for public office?

Not in the US, especially not if it is seen by the RW as throwing out chum to the base.  It may be paranoia or it may be an act, but even if it is paranoia, it is a culturally normative paranoia among 20-30% of the electorate.  This is what was meant by the line: "Paranoia strikes deep in the Heartland!"  Under the appropriate circumstances the RW can recruit much more support for such beliefs, especially when they have a presentable front man, such as Ronnie or W.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:19:32 PM EST
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Are the Republicans going to call for civic disobedience on the census?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:24:39 PM EST
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Are the Republicans going to call for civic disobedience on the census?

If they do, it will hurt Republicans the most. Since I doubt liberals will follow their paranoid banner, the red state foamers will effectively reduce their numbers and hopefully their representation. Say if all-of Utah decided not to be counted, they'd be down to 1 representative in the U.S. House.

by Magnifico on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:10:54 PM EST
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As Magnifico said, they'd be essentially committing suicide.  First of all, it's against the law to not fill out your decennial Census form (I know there's a $5,000 fine and probably more).  Second, electoral votes and congresscritters are derived from the Census.

Which is fine by me, of course, and I'm sure the folks in Michigan, New York and other "shrinking" (relative to others) states wouldn't mind getting more.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:31:43 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Technology | Windows 7 pricing gets unveiled

Microsoft will not be offering an upgrade version of Windows 7 in Europe.

In the past Microsoft has given people already using Windows a chance to upgrade to a new version when it becomes available.

While that option will be offered in the US, Microsoft said its efforts to comply with competition regulations meant it could not do so in Europe.

European regulators dismissed the claim, saying the move limited choices rather than opening them up.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:08:56 PM EST
"Vista SP2 Windows 7: Only $200."

Helen, still waiting for your Windows rule to pop up.  Every review from the geekosphere I read says it's more stable but just as slow and basically as shitty.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:17:20 PM EST
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Well speed results should be a bit dubious, in theory there should be an extra pile of debugging code installed that will be removed to speed everything up before the final version is released. it all depends how much debugging is needed, and how much of the new version is just window dressing on Vista.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:00:11 PM EST
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But that would assume that Microsoft has bothered with debugging code, wouldn't it?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:12:38 PM EST
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Well they did do with the beta version of Vista, and it had a noticeable performance effect when they took it out.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:23:57 PM EST
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All I can say is that I never want to hear Microsofties bitching about OS X releases being "service packs that cost money" with this $200 piece of shit coming out.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:34:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well I still think the rule will probably hold.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:49:31 PM EST
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Everything I hear about 7 suggests my rule holds : vista was a pile of crap, so seVen will be okay.

It's a vista lookalike, but so far as I can tell from what people tell me, a lot of the stuff underneath that annoyed people has been removed.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:01:00 PM EST
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Not seeing it.  And I'm putting all of my money in chair-assembly stocks.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 05:35:11 PM EST
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Vladimir Putin humiliates Russian supermarket chiefs over expensive sausages

The prime minister abruptly interrupted a meeting with senior retailers at the Moscow White House, the seat of the Russian government, to drag them on an impromptu visit to a nearby branch of the Perekrestok supermarket chain.

 Striding angrily through the aisles with a retinue of glum executives in tow, Mr Putin came to a halt in the supermarket's cold meat section and gesticulated towards a packet of sausages priced at just under £5.
Rounding on Yuri Kobaladze, the chain's head of corporate relations, Mr Putin demanded: "Why do your sausages cost 240 roubles? Is that normal?" "But these are high quality sausages," Mr Kobaladze replied, looking crestfallen.

With a look of relief crossing his face, the executive spotted some cheaper sausages.

"Look, these ones are just 49 roubles," he said.

But the prime minister was not to be deterred. "Too expensive," he muttered, before conjuring up a price list from his pocket. "I can show you your mark up. Look at this kind of sausage. You've marked it up by 52 per cent."

The exchange was a classic example of the political theatre in which Mr Putin excels. It came just two days after an opinion poll revealed that the principal concern of 75 per cent of Russians was high food prices.

With a host of cameramen and photographers there to capture the scene, the stunt was likely to ensure Mr Putin's reputation as a man of action, and thereby absolve him from carrying any blame for the worst economic crisis in Russia for over a decade.

Having primed his victim, Mr Putin moved in for the kill. Consulting his crib sheet, he pointed towards a packet of pork fillets.

"This is double the (cost) price," he said to Mr Kobaladze. "Is this normal?"

"Is 120 per cent a high mark up?" Mr Kobaladze responded timidly.

"Very high," the prime minister said.

"It will be lowered tomorrow," the executive replied.

I want him to come to my supermarket.  Encased meats... mmmm....

Did anyone else trip up over the phrase, "the worst economic crisis in Russia for over a decade."  


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:53:23 PM EST
Brand News, 'Green Dam' | AP | 25 June 2009

Dell Inc., Hewlett-Packard Inc. and Taiwan's Acer Inc. -- the top three global producers -- are asking regulators for details of the order that takes effect July 1 to provide the "Green Dam Youth Escort" software with every laptop and desktop PC sold in China.

China is important to PC suppliers both as a major manufacturing site and a fast-growing market. It accounts for up to 80 percent of world production and sales that state media say rose to 147 billion yuan ($21 billion), up 12.8 percent from 2007. ...

Taiwan's Acer Inc., the No. 3 PC maker, says all its computers sold worldwide are produced by contractors in China. No. 2 Dell exports from one Chinese factory to Japan, South Korea and Hong Kong and operates another for sales in China. HP, the world's biggest producer, and China's Lenovo Group did not respond to questions about how much of their China production is exported and to where....

mmm MSFT Vista Windows 7? or Green Dam? Windows 7? Green Dam? WEEEE CANT CHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSE...

"Given how razor-thin margins are, anything that adds costs, even if it's just dropping a CD into the box, is not welcome," Clark said. Wolf said costs could rise if regulators decide the software must be pre-installed on every PC. That would force makers that sell computers without software, such as in corporate bulk orders, to pay for operating systems to support the filter.

MWAHAHAHAHA

The top U.S. trade officials said the lack of transparency and inadequate notice may violate World Trade Organization rules. In a letter to Chinese officials this week, U.S. Secretary of Commerce Gary Locke and Trade Representative Ron Kirk called on Beijing to revoke the order. ....

A California company, Solid Oak Software of Santa Barbara, says parts of its own filtering software were used in "Green Dam," raising questions about possible violations of intellectual property rights.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:55:30 PM EST
"Given how razor-thin margins are, anything that adds costs, even if it's just dropping a CD into the box, is not welcome," Clark said. Wolf said costs could rise if regulators decide the software must be pre-installed on every PC. That would force makers that sell computers without software, such as in corporate bulk orders, to pay for operating systems to support the filter.

well thats a laughable argument from the heart of capitalism, you just have to put your costs up slightly, if everyone in the market has to install the software, it's not going to give any of your competitors a competitive advantage now is it?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:14:51 PM EST
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I had a letter from the NSPCC yesterday, wanting me to sign up to a petition:


  1. Stop the use of software which allows the private viewing of child abuse images

  2. Block children's mobile phone access to adult content

  3.  Ensure social network sites protect young viewers by reviewing and removing offensive/illegal content

  4. Pre-install child safety software on all computer and mobile web devices.

  5.  Provide therapeutic services for children who have been abused and had pictures and films of the abuse appear on the internet.

  6.  Provide specialist training for professionals who deal with online offenders.

Point number 1 made me go a bit cold. The online version, here is a lot more reasonable:

Sex offenders are increasingly sharing indecent images of children by setting up private spaces online using `peer to peer' file sharing software. This is ordinarily used to share large files between friends or interest groups such as those featuring music downloads, big photographic images or academic material. The NSPCC wants the UK Government and industry to research and devise an action plan to stop the viewing and distribution of child abuse images in this way.

But that isn't the version I've been asked to sign and return.

by Sassafras on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 04:07:54 PM EST
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A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:32:40 PM EST
A glorious work!  I don't think I have ever heard a quartet of four cellos before.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:34:37 PM EST
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I saw them live yesterday. Oh, boy!

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 28th, 2009 at 01:34:24 PM EST
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Human Interest. In Nigeria | Igwe | 23 June 2009

... This is a situation where people are permitted to break taboos and deviate from traditions. This marriage practice pre-dates Christianity and the so-called western culture which most people today blame for all the moral and cultural wrongs in Africa. The same gender marriage is still practiced till date. In other words, there are some families today in Igboland where women are both husbands and wives, fathers and mothers.

There are some homes where woman-husbands are living happily with their woman-wives, though there are not many such families or marriages. Such unconventional marriages and families are in the minority. The fact is that they exist. The fact is that they are part of the local tradition and culture. They are not imports from the West. And this has in no way undermined social cohesion, public order and morality or family values....

Because of the secrecy, privacy and hypocrisy that go with sexual expression, no one can really say if these female partners have or do not have sex with each other. But like all couples they live together and run their families. But today, things are changing.

Individuals are becoming more open, more assertive and expressive with their sexual and marriage choices, desires, orientations and identities. The sexual and marriage dynamics are changing rapidly. And Africans must make the necessary social, cultural and legal adjustments in response to - and to accommodate - these changes.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:45:33 PM EST
BBC: 'Stoned wallabies make crop circles'

Australian wallabies are eating opium poppies and creating crop circles as they hop around "as high as a kite", a government official has said.

Lara Giddings, the attorney general for the island state of Tasmania, said the kangaroo-like marsupials were getting into poppy fields grown for medicine.

She was reporting to a parliamentary hearing on security for poppy crops.

Australia supplies about 50% of the world's legally-grown opium used to make morphine and other painkillers.

"The one interesting bit that I found recently in one of my briefs on the poppy industry was that we have a problem with wallabies entering poppy fields, getting as high as a kite and going around in circles," Lara Giddings told the hearing.




"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 03:56:07 PM EST
Words cannot express how awesome I find that.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:42:02 PM EST
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rumours are the Michael Jackson has died.

I know that the proper Michael Jackson, the beer guru died last year. But apparently a singer with the same name is well known and is in a bad way.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:05:42 PM EST
Reuters.com (where the story began) is overloaded at the moment. I saw it because an eager night editor at Ilta-Sanomat in Finland put it up.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:13:00 PM EST
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Sounds like they are just waiting for confirmation.

Damn.

The dude was a freak and probably a danger to children but such gigantic part of my childhood.  So weird.  Not the kind of person you think about being mortal.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:20:27 PM EST
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MSNBC reported that the Los Angeles Times is reporting that Michael Jackson has died.  Can't get to web site.  I always saw Jackson as a tremendously talented but tragically flawed person, especially for one who is a citizen of the USA.  He was the baby of the Jackson Family and the most gifted.  My guess is that the family, probably siblings, had some role in keeping him happy and satisfied under the stress of performance and that this lead to a psycho-sexual identity that became untenable as Michael grew older, especially in the USA.  He was 50 years old.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:36:05 PM EST
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The BBC are saying that 'Some US media' are saying that he has died.

I suppose there will be an official announcement at some point.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 06:55:00 PM EST
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The BBC midnight news had Uri Geller (the usual port of call for a celebrity pro Jackson quote) speaking of him in the past tense.
by Sassafras on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:14:19 PM EST
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Between that and the BBC removing the scare quotes around 'dies', that probably counts as the official announcement.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:20:16 PM EST
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BBC: Los Angeles coroner has confirmed.
by Sassafras on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:37:47 PM EST
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Poor devil.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:07:00 PM EST
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Oh dear, I'll now have to find something to do for the next week that doesn't involve watching news or lurking on Internet discussion forums.
by ectoraige on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:17:02 PM EST
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Yeah, cable news will be all Michael Jackson and Farrah Fawcett all the time for the rest of the night.  In the US PBS may be partially immune.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 07:42:29 PM EST
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And somewhere in South Carolina, a governor weeps for entirely new reasons....

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:36:15 PM EST
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Don't worry Drew, I'll laugh, even if everybody else thinks it's bad taste.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 at 03:22:24 AM EST
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Specter completes his complete flip-flop on health care, now supports public option.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 08:47:54 PM EST


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