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America's Most Overpriced Cars | Forbes slideshow |1-13 July 2009

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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 11:31:02 AM EST
The safety of a Chevy, the tackiness of a Ford.  Truly the ultimate white trash status symbol: the Dodge Ram.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:22:30 PM EST
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I wonder what FIAT is thinking with that ad campaign. American consumers like to be scared about the safety of small cars, that's a good marketing strategy for their 500?

P.S.

On July 9, the China Association of Automobile Manufacturers said the country's passenger car sales jumped 47.7 percent in June to 872,900, lifted in part by government stimulus measures including a halving of the sales tax on small cars and subsidies for buyers in rural areas.

The association said total vehicle sales for 2009 would exceed 11 million units.

That growth dwarfs the United States, where auto sales fell 27.7 percent in June to 859,847 vehicles and analysts now forecast 2009 sales of around 10 million units.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:48:58 PM EST
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I guess, I need to get briefed on the Escalade and Yukon/Takoma targets. I cannot figure those at all.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 02:58:37 PM EST
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Speaking of captive medical markets: This punk is not quantifiable. It's his ethics that are replicable.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 12:07:02 PM EST
Ha, a pro spinmeister made fun of...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 12:35:31 PM EST
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Kucinich is one cool cuc. I wooda jumped the dias and slapped the crap out of that dood.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:23:48 PM EST
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Yes, I agree, what an arrogant little shit.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice. Blog - Nice Experience
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 05:32:38 PM EST
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One of The Manhattan Institute's finest "scholars"!

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:48:07 PM EST
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We are wondering what happened to Sassafras, we haven't heard from her for a few days now and she has not anwered to my mail yesterday - I think you have her phone contact - could you find out if she is okay? Thanks.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 12:11:22 PM EST
Sorry, can't help, my number for her is corrupted and I can't sort out what it should be.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:05:06 PM EST
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I think she's off on holiday. But I've sent a text to check, just in case.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:05:43 PM EST
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Sorry-I've been more or less offline for a few days.  Just normal end of term burnout/falling asleep on the sofa after work.  Four more days to go...
by Sassafras on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 05:39:52 PM EST
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New Republic: Iran & the New Democrats

What we are witnessing right now in the streets of Tehran is, first and foremost, a political battle for the future of the Iranian state. But closely linked to this political fight is also an old theological dispute about the nature of Shiism--a dispute that has been roiling Iran for more than a century.

Shiism, like most religions, is no stranger to heated schisms. Shia and Sunnis split over the question of whether Muhammad had designated his son-in-law, Ali, as his successor (Shia believed he had). Some Shia, called Alawites, believe the only divinely designated successor was Ali, while another group, Zaydis, believe there were four imams. A large, intellectually vibrant third group is known as the Ismailis because it believes the line of imams ended with the seventh, Ismail. And the largest Shia sect is called the Ithna Ashari--or the Twelvers. Dominant in Iran, they believe in twelve imams and posit that the last imam went into hiding some 1,100 years ago. His return, bloody and vengeful, will mark the redemptive dawn of the age of justice.

It is within this branch that a further split took place beginning in the late nineteenth century--the moment when the Iranian elite began to confront the challenge of modernity. Ideas like rationalism, individualism, constitutionalism, rule of law, equality, democracy, secularism, privacy, and separation of powers began to find currency in Iran's political discourse. By 1905, these ideas, prevalent primarily among the intelligentsia, led to the Constitutional Revolution--the first of its kind in the Muslim world. The Shia clergy were faced with a historic challenge not unlike what the Catholic Church experienced with the advent of the Renaissance. How two rival ayatollahs reacted to that challenge would divide Iranian Shiism--and lay the groundwork for what is taking place today.(continued)



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 12:47:01 PM EST
His [Ali Shariati's] eclectic use of Marx, Freud, Sartre, and Fanon, and his attempt to combine them with elements of Shia faith, allowed him to create an ideology appealing to the intelligentsia and the Iranian middle class. It was part fashionable piety (the way Kabbalah is the spiritual fad of Hollywood) and part facile radicalism.

So much for the Prophet.

I wonder, How the author(s) would summarize an intellectual history of The New Republic, once the literary crock pot of New Deal liberalism?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:43:14 PM EST
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In the early '60s I found TNR required reading at the library on Saturday mornings, along with Aviation Week and Missiles and Rockets.  Lately, in its most recent aggressively neo-con incarnation, I have found it totally unreadable.  This article is a notable exception.  My thanks to Chris for bringing it to our attention.  Truly a diamond in a dunghill.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 02:11:12 PM EST
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Money Well Spent? | Bloomberg | 12 July 2009

Bank of America Corp. is trying to avoid paying billions of dollars in fees to U.S. taxpayers for guarantees against losses at Merrill Lynch & Co., saying the rescue agreement was never signed and the funding never used. Regulators contend Bank of America owes at least part of a $4 billion fee it agreed to pay in January -- even without a completed legal document -- because the company benefited from implied U.S. backing on about $118 billion of Merrill Lynch assets, such as mortgage-backed bonds, people familiar with the matter said. The Charlotte, North Carolina-based bank says it owes the Treasury nothing, according to the people, who declined to be identified because the negotiations are confidential.

Money Well Spent? | Teleeewgraph | 12 July 2009

UK Financial Investments (UKFI) said in its annual report that its loss on the two stakes - 70pc of RBS  and 43pc of Lloyds Banking Group - had reached £10.9bn at the end of June. The losses, which are not yet realised, have been wracked up since Gordon Brown was forced to inject billions into the troubled lenders in October....

The Treasury is hoping that the disposals of its stakes will eventually generate a profit for the taxpayer, after bailing out the banks when the system almost collapsed at the end of 2008 in the wake of the failure of Lehman Brothers.

int a = past performance machine (RFC, 20)

Stay tuned for unexpected developments in the great Stimulus III debate!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:20:02 PM EST
It looks a bit black over Bill's mother's

Leicester parlance for possible rain.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:22:33 PM EST
So what does impossible rain look like ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:28:22 PM EST
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like the deluge of moose and bear that we had earlier. It was impossible to go out.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 01:47:57 PM EST
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A really rather good examination of the themes behind the recent torchwood series

The real genius of Torchwood: Children of Earth, as well as those shit-scary screaming kids, was its effortless grasp of what is truly to be feared in this world. The series didn't need super-CGI, brilliant acting or massive fight sequences. It didn't even need to take the monster out of the fog: the actual aliens were barely on screen at all. Turns out that the monster was on the other side of the glass the whole time, in Westminster, ready to sell us all out for the promise of a quiet life.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 02:29:09 PM EST
I started to read it and then realised there were spoilers so I checked iplayer again and lo and behold.... subtitles!  Absolutely devastating but incredibly good.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 04:20:46 PM EST
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Ooops sorry, didn't realise they'd not done the subtitled version yet. Hope this didn't spoil the fun.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 05:05:03 PM EST
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No I realised there would be spoilers and went and found iplayer and the subtitles were on.  I waited all weekend and they weren't there til yesterday.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 02:50:34 AM EST
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Let It Be a Lesson | Mish, Correspondence | 11 July 2009

I work in the aircraft repair/parts industry in California and thought I'd let you onto something. Many vendors to the CDF (California division of forestry) air operations have outstanding bills going back to last year.

Business 101/Credit: Always schedule client's payments
(if not on delivery, invoice 50/50 or 33/33/33, customarily). If the payments stop, work stops. (Self) Employers, you know what I'm saying: clients never ask for credit; they always assume.

And, yes, the nature of the business --excluding imminent life-saving service-- is irrelevant to observance of the rule.

My company just put all California agencies on cash or credit card only. Many others are refusing to sell to the CDF because of huge amount of unpaid and late bills. We don't even get Registered Warrants [California "IOUs", ironically, NOT promissory notes]

Finance 101/Credit: Debt is good; equity is bad.
Being the antithesis of the first law of business, this statement expresses a client's perogatives either to default or to defer payment or to transfer payment obligations indefinitely.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 02:42:11 PM EST
CAvendors fight for their cash|CNN|13July2009

So far, California has mailed $354 million worth of IOUs and plans to issue a total of $3 billion by the end of July. Around $140 million of the warrants are expected go to small business owners. While the state controller's office won't say exactly how many small companies will be hit, it's likely to be a big number: The state's department of general services says it holds $2.7 billion worth of annual contracts with at least 14,000 small companies, most of them California firms....

Staff USA provides medical staffing for various state-run divisions, and Freeman says that California owes her hundreds of thousands of dollars, much of that for services she rendered early this year. In anticipation of receiving an IOU instead of money, Freeman has laid off five employees....

Most small businesses hope to cash in their IOUs at a bank, a process that's turning out to be difficult. Initially, all major California banks said they would honor the IOUs by charging customers a small processing fee [!!], paying out the face value, then taking over the interest. However, the state's largest banks, including Bank of America (BAC, Fortune 500) and Wells Fargo (WFC, Fortune 500), later imposed a deadline. They stopped accepting the IOUs on Saturday....

A number of California's community banks and credit unions plan to accept the IOUs indefinitely, but in many cases, the terms are tough.

"My community bank will redeem the IOU for a fee [!!], but I have no choice but to do it," says the owner of an 11-person firm who asked not to be named. "It's not worth my while to wait for this thing to mature. I'd be losing money." His company, which does $10 million in annual business with the state, has been providing goods to prisons, state hospitals, and schools for more than 20 years. This is the first time he's been confronted with an IOU....

As a last resort, cash-strapped companies may be able to redeem [meaning here, "sell,""trade," or "pawn"?] the IOUs at check-cashing storefronts or via online marketplaces such as Craigslist or eBay (EBAY, Fortune 500), but small business advisors warn against that because of the large fees [!!] and face-value discounts that would be incurred.

This "IOU" issue is supremely ill-conceived. Sacramento really screwed constituents. I suppose that means representatives expect to be re-elected.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 03:50:18 PM EST
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No doubt, California will continue to vote republican to help solve their problems. I fail to understand how a state that appears reliably democrat at national level can deliver the most retarded repugs to run the State itself.

As for Prop H8....

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 04:09:55 PM EST
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I fail to understand how a state that appears reliably democrat at national level can deliver the most retarded repugs to run the State itself.

Money interests have made effective use of the initiative process to provide the Republican Party with a veto if they can muster one third of the votes in either chamber.  Fiscal policy has also been gravely compromised by restrictions now written into the state constitution.  All of this needs to be repealed by intitiative.  Easier said than done, considering that the population has been conditioned to think that these provisions are all that keeps them in their houses.

If sanity be culturally normative, then by the norms of this culture I claim insanity.
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 04:44:38 PM EST
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Gullyvornyah delivers some pretty shitty Democrats at the federal level.  They're the ones who sent us Labour-worthy police state pigs like DiFi and Harman.

Granted, they gave us Waxman and Boxer, too, but I think the fascists trump the good guys on the Gullyvornyah balance sheet.

Not that Virginia's senators are much better, but I'll take Timmy over Der Gropenfuhrer any day of the week.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 04:52:48 PM EST
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Colman's diary from the other day about the new NATO strategy got me to wander over to the Atlantic Community website and deconstruct some of the Conventional Wisdom present in the article.

This appears to have caught the eye of one of their editors, who invited me to do an opinion piece for them. 5-700 words, with a "strong thesis" and optionally some concrete policy proposals as well.

So which important bit of Conventional Wisdom can we deconstruct in less than 700 words?

Security? Economics? Terrorism? The transition to a multipolar world? Something else?

Presumably it would be prudent to give them something that has relevance on both sides of the Atlantic, but other than that I think it's a pretty open barrel of fish.

- Jake

Tory Bliar for president prison!

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 03:02:18 PM EST
Presumably they want an op-ed on NATO, correct?  Or just any trans-Atlantic issue?  

What do you feel you know a lot about?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 03:24:50 PM EST
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I wouldn't claim to know "a lot" about geopolitics, but I think I could cook up a good argument for why The WestTM should be looking to their South (at Mexico and North Africa) rather than to the East (at Central Asia and the Near East), and to look with development glasses on rather than military glasses.

- Jake

Tory Bliar for president prison!

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 03:55:07 PM EST
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There are other interesting articles at TNR: Northern Exposure -Sarah Palin's toxic paradise.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 04:04:31 PM EST
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Like ... Nafta?  Oof...

Well, it's your op-ed.  Have fun!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 04:27:31 PM EST
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No. Like NAFTA but without the regulatory arbitrage flying the flag of convenience.

Specifically, a system that has as its first and final objective to improve the standard of living of Joe Median in the countries on our borders. Screw GDP, screw trade volumes, screw Wall Street, screw profits. Look at the literacy rates, life expectancy and incomes of the median percentile. If they are going down, you are doing something wrong.

That goes for our countries too, but it goes double for our trading partners. Partly because focusing on GDP and profits for our companies at the expense of the man on the street will create antipathy among the very people we need to convince that we are not their enemies, and partly because doing so will not solve the security issues:

Insufficiently fine-meshed health care that leads to border-crossing diseases, insufficient environmental security that leads to pollution of our common bodies of water, insufficient human well being that leads to political instability. That kind of things.

- Jake

Tory Bliar for president prison!

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 12:35:52 AM EST
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