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Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 10:42:04 AM EST

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Iran - time for a Plan B

People here have seen most of what I have to say, but not the people in Orange, where there seem to be quite a few misconceptions, I think.

All support gratefully received.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:05:47 AM EST
A good diary. Sadly of the sort likely to fall through the list in double quick time.

Quesiton, if leverage is unIslamic, how do banks work in the middle East now? they gotta turn a dollar (sic) somehow.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:17:44 AM EST
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how do banks work in the middle East now?

They work totally hypocritically.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:32:22 AM EST
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But was it always so? In what kind of culture could an aversion to usury develop? One clue might be that one of the pillars of Islam is charity, or alms giving. This is not a 'tithe' to the 'church', but an instruction to share wealth with the less well off.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:41:30 AM EST
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Another clue is that usury impoverishes a borrower by the amount of rent ("interest") demanded for the loan.

The harm entailed does not readily succumb to either immediate or future benefits purchased with the debt. The borrower's need is always less than the debt repaid. The lender profits from the neediness of the borrower.(Assuming the borrower honors his or her obligation, of course.)

Oddly enough, one underwriting maxim of P&C insurance is, the insured may not profit by the benefit claimed.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:46:58 PM EST
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Well, that's Scandinavia for you...

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 02:45:16 PM EST
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Tipped and recc'ed.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:59:01 AM EST
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I enjoyed the "how murderous is my country" debate.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:06:10 PM EST
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Yeah, thinking I shouldn't have let them in on the secret that Chris was from the UK.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:08:00 PM EST
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I took part on the London Gay Pride march yesterday, well half of it anyway cos I ducked out halfway through to go elsewhere.

It was fun, but with the route packed with applauding onlookers I was forced to question what there is left to prove. In fact, my Mum asked that very question this mroning.

All I can say is that being gay may well be pretty much accepted in London, even being trans isn't that much of a deal, but that isn't true for the rest of the country. Some regions of Britain, particularly the more rural places, more or less might as well be nigeria when it comes to absence of tolerance.

So, having  large (and accepted) march/party is more about broadcasting a message of tolerance to the rest of the country than it is to satisfy any need for the (rather smug and self-satisfied) gay community within London. Maybe that's me being patronising towards the rest of the country, but it can be difficult.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:05:56 AM EST
The American beer fest was too packed to be fun. It took ages getting served so I ended up drinking pints of very expensive beer simply because half pints made no sense.

however, my beer of the festival was, without any doubt, Stone Ruination IPA. With a bitterness count of over 100 it was absolutely fabulous. It's called Ruination cos that's what it does to your palete, after that you cna't drink anything else. Not that I wanted to.

I had it on both cask and keg (an ordering mistake), but the cask was so much better (being warm enough to taste helped).

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:11:26 AM EST
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I tried a Tommyknocker's Pick Axe Pale Ale last week in Idaho Springs, Colorado (in mountains west of Denver). Supposedly a terrific beer, but frankly I can't get past wanting a simple Guinness...

http://tommyknocker.com/idahoSprings.html

by asdf on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:31:25 AM EST
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Man, I'd really love to live in the mountains out west.  Outrageously pretty.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:54:34 AM EST
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Wow, when was the first picture taken ? It's great to see pubs with history like that. Especially if they do good beer (tho the hankering for guinness shames you :-)).

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 12:47:20 PM EST
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I actually found out that they have stone at a couple of the higher-end supermarkets here, and I've been meaning to check it out since seeing the list you had for the festival, but I just haven't gotten round to it yet.  Checked out their website, and they had something interesting-sounding stuff.

Still waiting on a reply from the Greene King distributor here on whether they'll get Olde Trip at some point (and hoping Greene King doesn't ruin it now that Kimberley's not doing it anymore.  I emailed a guy in Britain who said he could ship it over, but the cost was obscene.  £95 for 10 bottles.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:57:55 AM EST
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Which reminds me, I have souvenir of the festival which I'll have to work out to get to you somehow.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 12:48:30 PM EST
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Oh?  Do tell.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:00:24 PM EST
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they seriously overcharged me for my first round, so I presumed they'd sold me the festival souvenir glasses. So I kept them.

It's very nice with 3 US brewery names on.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:08:11 PM EST
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Oh, good call.  

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:19:49 PM EST
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There is still an absolute need to keep sending out a strong message of gay pride.

Change and repent, bishop tells gays - Telegraph

The Bishop of Rochester, Dr Michael Nazir-Ali, has defended traditional biblical teachings on homosexuality and said the Church should not be "rolled over by culture".

It may have felt like everyone in London was on your side at the Pride March but gay people are still persecuted across the UK.  For some young gay kid who is too terrified to come out, Pride gives hope.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:34:29 AM EST
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I believe there was a time, not too long ago, when the christian church felt it was an article of faith that god have sanctioned white men such dominion over the earth that they were allowed to enslave those of other, lesser, cultures. Funny how the strikingly brown Bishop Nazir-Ali doesn't still hold to that particular pillar of Faith.

However much f..wits like him believe that the canon is eternal, all faith is a cultural phenomenon and that which doesn't adapt, dies. Christianity has done back flips before in order to survive and will do so again. All of this hoo-hah about homosexuality is just political in-fighting between factions within the hierarchy. All sound and fury, signifying nothing (but pain for the gays whose lives are mere collateral damage)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 12:57:37 PM EST
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I'd add its there to remind yourselves that the past isn't that far away, and it isn't far to slide back to the bad old days.

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 11:36:28 AM EST
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SSRN-Measuring Rates of Return for Lobbying Expenditures: An Empirical Analysis under the American Jobs Creation Act by Raquel Alexander, Stephen Mazza, Susan Scholz
The lobbying industry has experienced exponential growth within the past decade. The general public, the media, and special interest groups perceive lobbying to be a powerful mechanism affecting public policy. However, academic research finds inconclusive results when quantifying the rate of return on political lobbying expenditures. In this paper we use audited corporate tax disclosures relating to a tax holiday on repatriated earnings created by the American Jobs Creation Act of 2004 to examine the return on lobbying. We find firms lobbying for this provision have a return in excess of $220 for every $1 spent on lobbying, or 22,000%.


I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 12:07:06 PM EST
Click on download above the abstract, it's free.

Looks interesting, good find.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 12:57:05 PM EST
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So it is.

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:58:00 PM EST
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MikeHuckabee has resigned with Faux News for three years.  Sez he's not running for Preznit.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:41:31 PM EST
That's "re-signed," not resigned.  Three-year extension.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 01:44:58 PM EST
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But did he give a speech ? With ducks loons (his only audience) ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:10:11 PM EST
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As in rolled over?

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 03:22:34 PM EST
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Yep.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 04:04:29 PM EST
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Right, Murdoch gives him a bully pulpit and money until 2012 and he's not running for president...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:35:41 PM EST
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Takes two years to build a campaign.  Being there until 2012 doesn't cut it.  Gotta be out by early-2011.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:59:08 PM EST
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are they convinced already that Obama isn't going to be a single term president, so are maneuvering to make sure someone else is the fall guy for the upcoming electoral failure?

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 03:01:17 PM EST
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Sounds like it.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 03:05:15 PM EST
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Jon Stewart has fun with Mark Sanford

God killed Michael Jackson to save your ass and you gave another interview ?


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:17:04 PM EST
Of course, as that's referred to in politics, he had the number four
huh?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:38:29 PM EST
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I dunno actually, I just assumed it was a comedic confection that there was a hierarchy of these things

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:59:07 PM EST
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Gail Collins comments on Sarah Palin. Laugh out loud funny. Go read.

People, what is going on with governors in this country? Are we doomed to see them go bonkers one by one, state by state?


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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:19:04 PM EST
So at the rate of one a week we've less than a year till they're all mad (At a maximimum, depending how many are mad already)

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:32:20 PM EST
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Or rather, until they're all certifiable.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:52:22 PM EST
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if enough are certifiable, will they all be republican?

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:59:32 PM EST
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Happy 4th (Doh) 5th of July.

Celebrate the independence of your country by blowing up a small part of it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 02:34:04 PM EST
Or setting it on fire, I guess - I'm watching this from my backyard:

july 5 fire

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 05:43:38 PM EST
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Peter not Michael.

I found a DVD of Peter Jackson's 'Forgotten Silver' in my local Filmtown rental emporium. This was released (on sponsors NZ TV) in 1995 as a TV documentary. It's a mock documentary about a Colin McKenzie, who advanced the art of film (first color film in 1908), first talking film (with unintelligible Chinese actors) and was present at some important moments of 20th C history, such as the Spanish Civil War. Various well known film people such as Harvey Weinstein of Miramax (RIP) contribute to the fiction.

The TV showing scandalized the Kiwi nation when it was revealed as a hoax.  

The archive film and stills  were lovingly reconstructed by Jackson, and the interviews and other action were directed by Costa Botes.

Worth watching.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 03:08:49 PM EST
For those who haven't seen it, the ed team suggests a look at this.

Still applies.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 04:13:17 AM EST
Did ET close shop? Nothing new on the fp for the past day (acc'd to the timestamp).

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:15:08 AM EST
It's six weeks of summer vacation...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:31:46 AM EST
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