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Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 10:16:27 AM EST

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Tuesday Open Thread | 87 comments (87 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
You beat me to it (4.00 / 3)
I was hoping to post that picture of a perfect summer sky: cloudy Normandy, with 24° temperature and wonderful colors



In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 10:29:51 AM EST
Re: You beat me to it (none / 1)
That's really very beautiful.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:55:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Look who's not downloading (4.00 / 3)
Centerpartister laddar ner minst - Digitalt - Sydsvenskan - Nyheter dygnet runt Center party sympathizers download least - Digital - Sydsvenskan - News around the clock
Nedladdning och politisk partitillhörighet hänger ihop. Centerpartiets sympatisörer har lägst andel nedladdare.Downloading and party membership goes together. The Center Party sympathizers have the lowest share of downloads.
Det visar en rapport från Som-institutet i Göteborg som refereras i Svenska Dagbladet. Enligt den väljer 63 procent av dem som står nära C att inte ta hem material från nätet.This according to a study by the Som-institute in Göteborg, referenced in Svenska Dagbladet. 63 percent of those who supported the Center party do not download from the internet.
Miljöpartiets anhängare är flitigast på att ladda ner från internet. 43 procent av sympatisörerna väljer enligt undersökningen att inte ladda ned.The Green party members download the most. 43 percent of sympathizers do not download, according to the study.
Efter Centerpartiet är det Kristdemokraterna som har flest antal medlemmar som inte laddar ned musik, film eller böcker på internet - 54 procent. Däreter följer Socialdemokraterna, Vänsterpartiet och Moderaterna med 48 procent.After the Center Party are the Christian Democrats with the largest number of members who do not download music, movies or books on the internet - 54 percent. Next are Social Democrats, Left part members and Moderate party members at 48 percent.
Nästan varannan svensk mellan 15 och 85 år uppger enligt undersökningen att de inte laddar ner material från internet.Almost every other Swede between 15 and 85 say that they do not download materials from the internet.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 11:06:38 AM EST
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 4)
Arrêt sur images - Levée secret-défense : Tibehirine oui, Karachi non ?State secret lifted : Tiberine yes, Karachi no ?

Nicolas Sarkozy "veut la vérité" sur l'affaire de la mort des moines de Tibehirine, en Algérie, et a assuré qu'il lèverait le secret-défense sur "tout document [demandé par] la justice" à ce sujet.

Nicolas Sarkozy "wants the truth" on the deaths of the Tibehirine monks in Algeria, and has assured State secret would not be opposed on "all document asked by the inquiry" on that subject.
En revanche, il ne s'est pas prononcé sur la levée du secret-défense, également demandée par la Justice, dans l'affaire de l'attentat de Karachi. However, he didn't talk about State secrets being lifted on the Karachi case, about which the Justice system has also asked.

The Tiberine monks assassination happened in Algeria in 1996, and was blamed on Islamists at the time ; it is now suspected the Chirac government of the time knew it was committed by the Algerian Army.

The Karachi case, OTOH, concerns Sarkozy who was a major minister of the Balladur government which accepted to give backchich (and possibly get kickbacks for the 1995 presidential campaign.)

Strangely, the press is talking about one of the scandals, but not the other one...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 11:22:46 AM EST
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 4)
FT.com / UK - UK slams EU hedge fund rules
A draft European Union law that would subject hedge funds to new regulatory controls needs "major surgery" before Britain can support it, Lord Myners, a UK Treasury minister, said on Tuesday.

The financial services minister, in a fiercely critical speech, hit out at European countries seeking to "make political capital" from advocating a clampdown on the hedge fund industry, calling their actions "woefully short-sighted" and "bordering on a weak form of protectionism".

"It is perhaps easy for other European countries to make political capital out of demanding intrusive regulation of an industry of which they have little or no direct experience," he said.



"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 11:52:36 AM EST
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 3)
Paul Myners, Baron Myners - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In 1985, he moved to pension fund manager Gartmore as chief executive, becoming chairman in 1987 and remaining there until 2001.[5] During this period the funds managed by Gartmore rose from £1.2bn in 1985 to £75bn in 2001,[4] and Myners earned an estimated £30m.[7] With his retirement from Gartmore in 2001 he chose to focus on a wider range of interests, acting as non-executive director and chairman in a number of companies and third sector institutions.[4]

He was a director at NatWest until it was taken over by Royal Bank of Scotland in the spring of 2000.[8] In 2000 he became Chairman of the Guardian Media Group, publisher of The Guardian and The Observer newspapers.[5]

EArlier in the article we learn that
Although his political views are not well known, The Independent reported that "a Labour Cabinet insider" said of him that "for a City grandee he has a genuine instinct for social justice."[4] Myners has never donated to the Labour Party, but in 2007 he gave £12,700 to Gordon Brown's leadership campaign.[5]


A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:06:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Honduras (4.00 / 10)
I think it is worthwhile to translate to English Honduras' Defense Minister Edmundo Orellana Mercado's letter of resignation.  To the best of my knowledge, the guy has impeccable credentials as well as integrity.  What he says helps put the lie to the legal excuses proffered for the coup.

Has anyone seen an english translation anywhere on the internet? (I started to translate it but it is turning out more difficult than I had anticipated).  If there is none, I will press on.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:06:08 PM EST
Re: Honduras (4.00 / 5)
Someone has thankfully done it!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:16:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
White House Dept of Law (4.00 / 8)
What an idiot.

But when I asked Palin if she ever decided to pursue national office again, as she did less than a year ago when she joined Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in the race for the White House, wouldn't she encounter the same political blood sport? Can such ugliness ever be avoided?

Palin said there is a difference between the White House and what she has experienced in Alaska. If she were in the White House the "department of law" would protect her from baseless ethical allegations.

"I think on a national level your department of law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out," she said.

There is no "Department of Law" at the White House.

Maybe they have one in the country of Africa.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:12:31 PM EST
Re: White House Dept of Law (4.00 / 3)
Never mind. With

Drew J Jones:

automatically throw them out

we get the message.

She should meet up with Burlesquoni.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:19:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: White House Dept of Law (4.00 / 3)
There really are no words to adequately describe her.  Caribou Barbie is powerful-stupid.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:30:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: White House Dept of Law (none / 1)
Nah, she's too old for him -- maybe her daughter...

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:04:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 3)
Ruh Roh, Shaggy | WSJ | 7 July 2009

A group of the biggest U.S. banks said they would stop accepting California's IOUs on Friday, adding pressure on the state to close its $26.3 billion annual budget gap....

[I]f California continues to issue the IOUs, creditors will be forced to hold on to them until they mature on Oct. 2, or find other banks to honor them. When the IOUs mature, holders will be paid back directly by the state at an annual 3.75% interest rate. Some banks might also work with creditors to come up with an interim solution, such as extending them a line of credit [BWAHAHAHA], said Beth Mills, a California Bankers Association spokeswoman....

The group of banks included Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo & Co. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., among others. The banks had previously committed to accepting state IOUs as payment. California plans to issue more than $3 billion of IOUs in July.

Rall ror rash ris rine.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:29:56 PM EST
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
MarketTrustee:
[I]f California continues to issue the IOUs, creditors will be forced to hold on to them until they mature on Oct. 2, or find other banks to honor them.
Or they can use them to pay taxes and administrative fees to the State of California, surely?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:39:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 6)
people don't pay taxes in California - that's the problem to start with!

:)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (jeromeguillet@yahoo.fr) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:57:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 2)
They don't pay property taxes.

Proles do pay state income tax, sales tax...

The problem is every tax has had its revenue earmarked for particular purposes so there's no money in the general fund.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:58:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
That's direct democracy for ya...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:47:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 4)
Echoing Starvid (and stealing from Bill Maher), the problems are numerous.  One major problem is direct democracy -- a state of children voting for initiatives that only come in two forms: (1) Spend Lots of Money on Cool Stuff and (2) Don't Raise My Taxes.

"Could you sign this petition to make earthquakes illegal?  They're really starting to bother me."

Having a state constitution that requires a supermajority to pass a budget is also insane.  Even the Senate isn't that fucked up.

And then there is, of course, the property tax regime.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:29:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
Drew J Jones:
initiatives that only come in two forms: (1) Spend Lots of Money on Cool Stuff and (2) Don't Raise My Taxes.
And (3) Okay, you can raise my taxes, but only if you earmark the revenues for the particular kind of Cool Stuff that's fashionable right this minute.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 05:59:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
But the tax raising gets done by the legislature, not the referenda, doesn't it?

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:27:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
Often the tax raise goes to a referendum and the initiative includes the earmark as a sweetener.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:28:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0)
Ah, ok.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:30:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0)
In theory, I'm not sure. But I doubt that the state would dare to refuse them - they might have a revolt on their hands....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:48:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
The State of California is missing a golden opportunity for a (successful) experiment in local currency.

Instead, they're alienating everyone and likely failing at their fiscal goals.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 06:01:26 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0)
Uh... why?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:50:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0)
Creditors (big banks) have already said they won't accept the IOUs...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:52:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
Of course they won't.

Breaking the Money Monopoly would undercut one of their major pillars of dominance.  

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:57:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
But the State of California is allegedly making the IOUs more illiquid than they need to be by adding a "notarization" hurdle to transfer of IOUs.

They're shooting themselves in the foot by doing that because (never mind the big banks) people, by design, can't find a use for those IOUs before maturity.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:00:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 2)
I can think of five reasons:

  1.  The State Controller's Office didn't think it through

  2.  A secondary market establishes a "Market Price" and should (when?) the face value falls the state would have to increase the interest rate

  3.  There are some fairly arcane laws regarding who can issue money and this is a way to get around them

  4.  Given their experience with electric deregulation the state is trying to avoid Goldman Sachs, or whoever, from buying these things up, and pulling some kind of scam

  5.  Something else ;-)
\

Madness takes its toll. Have exact change ready
by ATinNM on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:17:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
SHHHRAAAAAAAAAAAGGY!!! | CNBC | 7 July 2009

IOU recipients are beginning to trade them like currency [sic], forcing the California state treasurer's office to issue guidelines if they are sold through eBay (EBAY), Craigslist or other means.

California's treasurer is telling recipients of the IOUs that if they sell them to third parties, they will be redeemed by the state treasurer's office only if accompanied by a notarized bill of sale signed by their listed payee.

taxalert.Copythat?taxalert. ht Mish

Speculation is rising over whether California's tax-exempt IOUs, technically registered warrants [as opposed to bill of exchange (indemnity or payment)*?], can be bought, sold and traded.

The Securities and Exchange Commission must first determine if the IOUs are securities [certificate of ownership or beneficial interest?] to regulate them, said Ernesto Lanza, general counsel to the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board, adding that the board was not working directly with the commission on that decision.

"It looks like it has all the hallmarks of a security," Lanza told Reuters. "If they are securities, I think they're pretty clearly municipal securities."

------------
*bill of exchange, an ancient American cheque:"Exchange in relation to barter not of goods but of the value of goods, a payment in one place being exchanged for a payment in another place. The popular statement of the theory of exchange represents four principals involved in two transactions. A and B are two persons residing in one place different from the cash from C, so that, assuming the two transactions to be of equal value, one piece of paper satisfies the four parties to these two transactions, and the trouble, expense and risk of sending money from both places are avoided. The piece of paper which performs the service may be a telegraphic order, cheque or bill of exchange."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by MarketTrustee on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:50:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
Second thought: I guess, if these things carry a maturity date and interest rate, I'd call 'em debentures. Certainly not warrants. Clearly distributed as payment plus consideration for services and goods rendered to teh CA.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:01:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 4)
if they can't be sold, spent or traded without lawyerly oversight, I'd call them a scam.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:14:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 2)
If they can be sold to anyone for cucs or cash--EUR,USD,GBP,YEN--I call that damn fortunate for the bearer  :)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:33:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 2)
How many cucumbers is a lawyer worth?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:45:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
mmmm, one per week?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:52:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
At that rate, you can have my cucumbers when you pry them from my cold, dead, drunken hands.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:28:55 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
California's treasurer is telling recipients of the IOUs that if they sell them to third parties, they will be redeemed by the state treasurer's office only if accompanied by a notarized bill of sale signed by their listed payee.

You've got to be kidding me.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:04:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Exhibit 130 (none / 0)


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by MarketTrustee on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:29:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 3)
If they are like securities, shouldn't we already have a derivates market for them?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:37:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Master and Margarita (4.00 / 2)
Who read the book? WHat do you think of it?

I haven't read the book, but finished watching the ten-part Russian TV series (2005). I can understand why both the Church and the Party hated this work: the Satan himself descends on Moscow, raises hell, especially in the circles of the literary establishment; and rewards the lover of an indexed writer who wrote a book on Pontius Pilate in the end; while the NKVD tries to prove that the band of devils was just a hypnotist.

Ethical message? I'm not sure -- and it seemed a bit reactionary.

THe TV series? It was big-budget, with lots of CGI; and at times out to draw the masses with the basest attractions (lots of spilling blood and bared breasts); but, at the same time, a great many good actors with remarkable faces: Kirill Lavrov as Pontius Pilate, Oleg Basilashvili as Woland/Satan, Aleksandr Abdulov as Koroviev... and so on. There was one major problem, though: the love between Master and Margarita just wasn't convincing.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:23:54 PM EST
Re: The Master and Margarita (4.00 / 2)
It's one of the best novels I've read (and I have read a few (and afew's)

"Ne te courbe que pour aimer..." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:44:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: The Master and Margarita (none / 0)
I second that. It's great. But the TV series was just too damn slow, 20 hours or something.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:48:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: The Master and Margarita (none / 1)
I read it.  I have to admit that a lot of the religious stuff was a bit lost on me.  This is probably one of those books you need a whole class devoted to in order to fully appreciate.  Still - it's brilliant, both for the social satire/critique, but also for the sheer entertainment factor.  Woland's gang is a hoot.

While it is explicitly meant to address the Soviet system, it has staying power.  I've never read a more spot on depiction of the Moscow I knew.  That's not a very politically correct thing to say, but it's true.

Not sure how I feel about CGI ... though how would you ever do it without CGI?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:50:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: The Master and Margarita (none / 1)
A while back I wrote something about a huge balck cat who had mysteriously taken up residence at the Bulgakov Museum & no one here knew what I was talking about.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:54:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: The Master and Margarita (none / 1)
Sorry I didn't catch your remark. I actually have read the book...
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:16:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: The Master and Margarita (none / 0)
The CGI wasn't bad, it wasn't too obvious until the setting of the Walpurgis Night ball -- but Behemoth was done without. (A dwarf actor.)

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:04:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
There but by the grace of the Kurds go I (4.00 / 4)
Some days, like today, it's sheer luck that I make to where I plan on going. I'm now in Mardin, not far from Syria.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:26:58 PM EST
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 0)
Can someone please tell me how to embed a non-YouTube video?

Thanks.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:58:12 PM EST
Copied from ET User Manual (4.00 / 2)
Currently, European Tribune allows you to embed vimeo, Youtube, Google Video and dailymotion videos by the use of so-called macros.

You first have to look at the link of the video you want to embed, and copy the video identity code. As an example, the ID is highlighted in the three links below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvAuqYFVrqI&search=
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8396144199570910608&q=eu
http://www.vimeo.com/993998

This is what you write:







You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:05:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Copied from ET User Manual (4.00 / 2)
Ooops - it made the links.

But anyway you embed the ID in double parentheses...

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:06:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
In the NUG, you can find the ways to embed video from sites enabled. The general html code ueed for video embedding is not enabled.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:06:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
Does that mean you can't embed videos from places other than the 3 you listed?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:16:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
The 3 Sven listed and dailymotion, yes.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:34:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
Those Sven listed, sorry, yes.  (Thanks Sven.)

So ... But I want to embed a video or 2 or 3 in a diary I'm attempting to write.  I think it's very important that I do so.  :D  What century is this?  If I can link a video on facebook I should be able to do so on ET.  Right?  You can do high-speed trans but not video links?  :(

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:53:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (4.00 / 2)
I can refer the whys (spam fear? SCOOP spam fear by default?) and hows to the techies. But, from where would you want to embed?

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 03:00:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Re: Tuesday Open Thread (none / 1)
http://www.charlierose.com/view/content/10450

http://www.charlierose.com/view/content/10445

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090713/cohen_video

The spam filter looks for spam in diaries?  Not just comments?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 03:08:03 PM EST
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Fear, not filter.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:18:31 PM EST
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The Charlie Rose ones are actually Google Video embeds, excerpts from the same one hour video; here are the Ids:

-7312327222922932627%3A1197000%3A2017000
-7312327222922932627%3A230000%3A959000

Here is the embed test:




*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:50:33 PM EST
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Hm.  I looked for them on Google Video and they weren't posted.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:03:42 PM EST
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Here is the complete uncut video. It was posted titled "tswtre" - must be some idiotic way they thought to keep it confidential.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:28:19 PM EST
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Explains why I couldn't find it.

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by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:33:27 PM EST
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Wait, does that mean someone other then CR put it on Google Video?  It's aired on tv and archived on their site - I don't think it is meant to be confidential.

Are the sep clips you posted and the google link you provided different video ids?  And how did you find those ids?

I seriously think it would be a lot easier just to let people embed videos than sending them on some scavenger hunt looking for ids for pirated Google videos.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:40:43 PM EST
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Wait, does that mean someone other then CR put it on Google Video?

It might mean that CR didn't want it accessed another way than through CR.

it would be a lot easier just to let people embed videos

Limiting the use of HTML seems a feature in SCOOP. To make embeds work, a number of HTML tags and options would have to be enabled one by one, while macros allow a backdoor way around. But, again, I will refer this to people who know more about it.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:48:21 PM EST
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poemless,

so I asked the techies, and the consensus seems to be that the "object" tag, which is also used for video embedding, is a security risk: spammers could use it to embed malware rather than a video. We don't know how Facebook deals with the problem: with an elaborate protection or not at all. But, ET shall keep it safe and keep it to macros. But, in tonight's OT, I will request proposals for further video sites that could be enabled this way.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 01:18:56 AM EST
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spammers could use it to embed malware rather than a video

Or malware in a video.

We're implicitly trusting that youtube, vimeo, google video etc are deploying a "clean" flash applet and not deploying malware to people's computer when they play an embedded video.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 02:02:37 AM EST
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Can you show me what you did to post those?  

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by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:05:34 PM EST
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It's all in the NUG...

((googlevideo [video ID]))

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:25:54 PM EST
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Is "-7312327222922932627%3A1197000%3A2017000" the video ID?

How on earth did you find that?  I don't see it listed on the CR weblink.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:35:38 PM EST
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It was in the Embed HTML offered by Charlie Rose. "-7312327222922932627" is the video ID, "%3A1197000%3A2017000" tells the player which part (from when to when) to cut in from the complete video.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:40:23 PM EST
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I mean, short version: yes, put that in the googlevideo macro.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:41:40 PM EST
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Is there a reason (such as copyright) that you can't upload it to youtube yourself?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:04:33 PM EST
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I updated the NUG page on videos (two of the examples were no more live or embeddable, and dailymotion apparently changed its structure).

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 02:59:06 PM EST
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What?  I'm the only ET-er who watched the Michael Jackson memorial?  My favorite part - Rev. Al telling the kids "there was nothing strange about your daddy" to Prince, Paris, and, uh... Blanket.  

I think I've just O.D.'d on surreal...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 03:56:25 PM EST
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Izzy:
I'm the only ET-er who watched the Michael Jackson memorial?

Oh, surely not... I was only prevented by, er, circumstances beyond my control, and I'm certain everyone else... No?

How's things, Izzy?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:01:18 PM EST
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Things are ok, except that I'm now one tooth short.  I was thinking about having a big memorial for it, except in my howling pain, I didn't have my wits about me enough to ask the dentist for it.  Do you think if I laid out a little closed box with a flower on it anyone would know the tooth wasn't in there?

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:13:19 PM EST
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I'm sure. Unless they're expecting it to get up and dance.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:18:14 PM EST
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Is your surname Jackson? ;)

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:26:53 PM EST
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We're all Jacksons today...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:30:10 PM EST
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was it safe for the dentist to work wearing only one glove?

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:50:03 PM EST
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There's a coincidence.

Just had one of my wisdom teeth out so I'm that much dumber, I guess...

The injection was the worst bit...I've always hated needles since I was a kid and they seemed like garden syringes then...

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:47:10 PM EST
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Why was it so early?  America is at the office and Japan is asleep.  

My brother was live-IMing it for me.  Said the casket was on some cheap rolling cart thing.  I said I thought it wouls be cool if he came out as a zombie and did the Thriller dance with some other undead dancers.  Because, honestly, that's how I fondly remember him.  Zombie dancing.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:02:53 PM EST
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Why was it so early?  America is at the office and Japan is asleep.  

Wait, I thought the whole world came to a standstill, right?

I didn't see the cart thing - I tuned in a little late.  And there was no zombie dance, but the whole Jackson family sat in the front row, each wearing one white sequined glove. Although in what was perhaps a subtle protest, one brother wore it on the opposite hand - I think it was Tito.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:09:48 PM EST
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sorry if I here reveal some innate lack in my psyche, but why would I want to ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:07:33 PM EST
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 on the off chance it was going to turn into the thriller video?

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:08:14 PM EST
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I forgot about it.  Until I got a text from my auntie saying she was crying watching it.  Oh and Swansea boy Shaheen performed as far as I gather.  But I have iplayer and Torchwood to catch up with to recover from work today (Can't wait for a week for a tape to turn up!)

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:40:28 PM EST
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I think if you grew your hair you'd be a spit for Gwen Jones.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:16:04 PM EST
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I would not!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:44:43 PM EST
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