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Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 09:59:34 AM EST

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Apparently so. I'd prefer it to be Friday though.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:14:04 AM EST
Or, as Jeremy Clarkson once said, "Some say he invented Thursdays. We don't know, but we do know he's called The Stig !!"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:47:38 AM EST
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You mean Michael Schumacher? He invented blitzprix didn't he?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:51:15 AM EST
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Yes, that's the chappie. Who regards F1 as a bloodsport.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:04:47 AM EST
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Huh?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:48:59 AM EST
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One-horn cow talk. Don't mess with it.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:05:02 PM EST
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danke, won't even chew my cud.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:18:18 PM EST
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Think Progress » Arizona state senator argues for uranium mining by claiming the Earth is `6,000 years' old.
On June 25, the Arizona Senate's Retirement and Rural Development Committee discussed the prospects for uranium mining in the state. During the hearing, State Senator Sylvia Allen (R), the vice chairman of the committee, argued in favor of mining by saying that the earth "has been here 6,000 years, long before anybody had environmental laws, and somehow it hasn't been done away with."


I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 10:53:20 AM EST
Well, Repugs have never been fond of reality. Their kind of verifiable evidence is if their mates agree with them.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:06:56 AM EST
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And then there's really bonkers

New Delhi) India's Supreme Court agreed Thursday to hear a petition from a Hindu astrologer who is seeking to annul a recent landmark ruling that decriminalized gay sex.

In his petition, Sushil Kumar Kaushal said "even animals don't indulge in such activities," adding that allowing gay sex would help spread HIV/AIDS.

The latest development indicated that despite a recent Delhi High Court ruling, gays in India still face a long battle to gain acceptance - social and legal - in this deeply conservative country where even heterosexual sex is talked about in hushed tones.

"If such abnormality is permitted, then tomorrow people might seek permission for having sex with animals," Kaushal said



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:08:36 AM EST
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A lot of the anti-gay religious types seem to have a worrying obsession with sex with animals.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:10:01 AM EST
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Yet "not even animals indulge such practices". Which reveals a worrying ignorance about how animals procreate.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:16:29 AM EST
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I think the last four words are unnecessary.

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:28:03 AM EST
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Maybe he's just putting the zoo into zodiac.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:33:00 AM EST
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I suppose it could be a spectacularly dyslexic spelling of zoophilia.

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:39:39 AM EST
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Hindu astrologers are terribly important in India, something on par with economists in the Western sphere. Nothing is undertaken without consulting an astrologer, above all marriages.

I would imagine that astrologers there would be out of business were humans to congregate with their fellow animals. It would entail devising charts for those species.

Whatever, it could be a new business venture. Drawing up compatability charts for one's favourite gander or lamb before getting serious.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:00:38 PM EST
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de Gondi:
Hindu astrologers are terribly important in India, something on par with economists in the Western sphere.

Mwahahahaha! :)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:05:39 PM EST
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Fox News Host: Americans "Keep Marrying Other Species" (VIDEO)
OH NOES! What happened on Fox and Friends today, people? According to Gawker, the bright and shiny lights have once again dazzled Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade (the Brown-Haired Guy) into pure befuddlement, and this subsequently caused a series of idiot words to pour forth from his cakehole.


I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 07:37:32 PM EST
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Caloric Restriction Extends Life In Monkeys, Study Finds / Science News

A 20-year study found that Rhesus monkeys fed a nutritious, low-calorie diet have fewer age-related diseases than counterparts on a normal diet, researchers report July 10 in Science. Also, MRIs reveal less shrinking with age in areas important for decision-making and controlling movement in the brains of calorie-restricted animals, report Ricki Colman and Richard Weindruch, both of the Wisconsin National Primate Research Center at the University of Wisconsin-Madison, and colleagues.

These results show that calorie restriction helps preserve primates' bodies and brains, says Luigi Fontana, of Washington University in St. Louis and the Italian National Health Service in Rome. Calorie restriction has already been shown to extend the lifespan of mice and dogs, as well as yeast, fruit flies and worms.

The findings may have ramifications for fighting aging and disease in humans, Fontana says. "I'm confident that everything that happens in [non-human] primates will happen in humans." Since both groups of monkeys are on a very healthy diet, people who go from a high-fat Western diet to a healthy, restricted diet may experience even greater health benefits than seen in this study.



A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:22:25 PM EST
And the headline here:

Chicago Tribune: 1 in 4 Illinois adults is obese -- a record

The CDC found that in 2008 Illinois was among 32 states where 25 percent or more of adults were, to put it bluntly, fat. Officially, obesity counts as having a body mass index - a ratio of weight to height - of 30 percent or higher.

To put that in perspective, two decades ago no state counted more than 15 percent of adults as obese. That hurdle was passed in 1991 by four states, including Michigan.

In 1996, three states, including Indiana and Kentucky, passed the 20 percent mark. In 2001, Mississippi became the first state where at least 25 percent of adults were excessively heavy. Four years later, three states - Louisiana, Mississippi and West Virginia - topped 30 percent.

Illinois has never been the fattest state, but residents have been gaining girth along with the rest of the country.

In 1985, as far back as the current CDC report goes, fewer than 10 percent of Illinoisans were obese. Two years later, the figure jumped to 10 to 14 percent. In 1994, it rose again to the 15 to 19 percent range. Five years later, obesity rates in Illinois soared to 20 percent or more. Then, last year, rates climbed again, to the 25 to 29 percent range.

Frankly I'm surprised it isn't higher.


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:33:42 PM EST
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Fortunately, the solution is obvious: Raise cigarette taxes again.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:47:37 PM EST
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I like it!
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:48:10 PM EST
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It'd be funny if it didn't seem to work that way.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:52:54 PM EST
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This is kind of silly, isn't it?  "Scientists discover eating non-shitty food makes you healthier."

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:49:05 PM EST
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Just as silly as "scientists discover smoking is bad for you".

In other words, the food industry can no longer hide behind "we just feed people what they ask for"...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:52:52 PM EST
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Yeah, good luck with that.  As long as the typical American happily weighs more than a European car, the food companies have nothing to worry about.

This is, after all, the country in which the morbidly obese can sue airlines for charging them extra because they require two seats.  And win.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 12:57:21 PM EST
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Can smokers sue airlines any longer for throwing them out of the plain if they light up?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:08:36 PM EST
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No, but smoking is a choice.  Being fat and taking up half of my seat is not, for some reason.

(Note: Yes, I know for some people being fat is not a choice.  I submit, however, that they are an incredibly small minority.)

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:12:57 PM EST
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There is a big industry whose profits depend on super-sized portions. That's like the tobacco industry.

Tobacco is addictive and so is food and some people have metabolic issues, too...

Unlike with tobacco, there isn't a "passive eater"...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:44:18 PM EST
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Unlike with tobacco, there isn't a "passive eater"...

Yes, hmmm, well, children usually get the diet of their parents, so there is some kind of secondary negative effect to poor diets, too.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 04:40:25 PM EST
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Not to mention things like the higher cost of healthcare for everyone, the suffering of factory farmed animals, and the way we're killing the planet in order to protect the rights of Americans to consume as much as humanly possible...  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 04:50:30 PM EST
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Not necessarily on the health care.  The findings I've read on it actually suggest the obese and smokers are cheaper to society over their lifetimes than healthy people, due to the fact that they generally die much earlier.

I wouldn't base an opinion on those reports, and much of it probably depends on how much they nickel and dime each group, but I think, on balance, the evidence suggests that there's not an enormous difference in cost to society.  If anything, smokers and the obese may be a little cheaper.

The rest I agree with you on, although, really, I can't personally claim to be innocent in the "consume lots" department.  I'm sure I consume more than I should.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:32:34 PM EST
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you've obviously never shared a flight with an obese neighbour, complete with supersize passive farting...

If'Madness is the absence of work'(Foucault), then Sanity is the presence of play..
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:16:43 PM EST
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I'd suggest the preposition "on" as in "out on the plain..." ;]
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:15:35 PM EST
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No, apparently it's ok to ask things of smokers, but not anyone who is overweight.  It's ok to lecture people who are too thin about ruining their health and having perverse priorities, but not people who are too fat.  And I'm not talking about anyone who is less than ideal.  I'm not talking about making unrealistic demands on people.  No, question people who make the personal choice to spend of hours in front of the tv mindlessly eating crap, and you are discriminating against them.  I've no doubt they really are discriminated against, by prospective employers, etc.  But asking people to accept responsibility for the consequences of their actions?  That's not discrimination.  I make the personal choice to smoke occasionally.  As a result, I'm singled out for tax, I'm banned from entering anywhere but my home while doing it, and scowled at by passersby.  And I'm ok with that.  But if it were a bag of Cheetos in my hand and not a cigarette, I'd be off scott free.  I'd get two seats for the price of one.

wtf?

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:34:50 PM EST
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I'm not bitter or anything. :)  Seriously, I've gained a good 5 lbs since the smoking ban took effect.  


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:37:08 PM EST
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good five pounds? is it only the bad ten after that that you'd have to worry about? ;)

I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 06:58:41 PM EST
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Actually, I saw the dr last night, and science refuted my suspicion.  So make that an imaginary 5 lbs.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:13:03 PM EST
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There are cheaper ways to get weighed ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:26:10 PM EST
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LOL.  But not cheaper ways to get drugs, sadly.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:27:47 PM EST
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You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:36:14 PM EST
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Nope. They say both diets in the experiment were healthy, the only difference being calorie intake.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:05:24 PM EST
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this is nothing new - the theory that a low-calorie diet slows aging has been out there for quite a while. It looks like many of the people, like the Hunza, who used to become very old, had low-calorie diets.

And I think there have even been studies on  humans too, here just an example.

Low-Calorie Diet May Lead to Longer Life - New York Times

A low-calorie diet, even in people who are not obese, can lead to changes in metabolism and body chemistry that have been linked to better health and longer life, researchers are reporting.

The findings lend support to the theory that eating less, long known to prolong life in rats and mice, may do the same for people, by preventing heart disease, cancer, diabetes and other diseases, and by slowing aging.

The notion that going hungry could be the fountain of youth has captivated scientists and the public. Calorie restriction, the scientific name for a regimen high in nutrients but low in calories, is the subject of intense research, and some people have already begun trying it on their own.

There is a Calorie Restriction Society with members all over the world, and its president, Brian M. Delaney, estimates that the people experimenting on themselves number in the thousands.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:03:48 PM EST
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in some of the first health food shops in london, mid sixties, you could buy little dried hunza apricots, reputedly high in natural silver. they were unbelievably delicious, we used to crack open the seed and eat the kernel, for the laetrile.

i got curious about the hunzas, and learned they would happily walk every morning 5 miles to their fields and work there all day.

tough people, serious survivors.

If'Madness is the absence of work'(Foucault), then Sanity is the presence of play..

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:21:28 PM EST
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i eat less in a week now than i ate in three days growing up, and am much healthier for it.

the reasons it's so un-PC to criticise fatties is that they just eat more if you do.

besides, the problems people carry around that you can't see are much worse than the ones you can.

a government that cared about its people would ban junk food, for its effects on future generations, and the gene pool in general, as well as the horrendous environmental degradation it causes.

If'Madness is the absence of work'(Foucault), then Sanity is the presence of play..

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:28:39 PM EST
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i heard also a possible apocryphal story that prisoners in the concentration camps had no tooth decay, and that the reduced diets and greater reliance on wholegrains during the war led to much less sickness, that then returned to 'normal' afterwards...

If'Madness is the absence of work'(Foucault), then Sanity is the presence of play..
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:30:44 PM EST
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I haven't heard about the concentration camps, but read about various reports of people being healthier during war time, because they ate reduced calories and fat.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:33:50 PM EST
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And now that I think about it, that is amazing as during the war people must have been under tremendous stress and despite of that they seem to have been healthier.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:37:15 PM EST
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Well, I guess it all depends on the war and the camp.  I've heard stories that people starved to death in places like Auschwitz and Leningrad.  Like, A LOT of people.  Apparently lack of food can cause death in some people...

Now, let us please return to our sanity.  Thanks.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:43:33 PM EST
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point taken poemless, it's too easy to lose perspective sometimes.

what is amazing is how many people didn't starve to death, considering the conditions. the ability of the human body to stay alive notwithstanding the cruelty, with no reserves, negligable nutrition, and bitter cold beggars belief.

the fact that they had less tooth decay is relatively trivial, yet curious just the same...  

If'Madness is the absence of work'(Foucault), then Sanity is the presence of play..

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jul 11th, 2009 at 12:54:42 AM EST
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Jack of Kent: Blogging vs Internet Journalism?
Last week Ben Goldacre explained how a Telegraph story on rape badly distorted a press release.

The details of what happened are not only discrediting, but also revealing about the respective merits of Blogging and early internet journalism. And I think the latter will soon change.

A good Blog always seeks to source statements. This is the beauty of the Hyperlink.


I'm tired of this backslapping, aint humanity great BS, we're a virus with shoes Bill Hicks
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 01:26:41 PM EST
I've just discovered I got my upgrade to 10Mb broadband (from 2Mb) today.

I'm glad I haven't paid any extra for it, because I seriously hadn't noticed.

by Sassafras on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 04:44:16 PM EST
Episode 4 of Torchwood on iplayer isn't subtitled and the others are.  Bah. I hope they sort it out quickly.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:45:22 PM EST
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I bumped mine up to, I think, 25Mbps when I moved to DC.  Makes a huge difference, depending on what you're doing.  And it only runs about $50/month.  Which is about what I was paying for 2Mbps in Tallahassee.

They're offering 50Mbps now, too.  The city's done a good job of pushing competition between the providers in recent years.  We've gone from being able to get no better than 3-5Mbps to 50Mbps in two years.  The Fios cables and putting the cable companies in competition with the traditional phone companies has really changed the game.

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:46:59 PM EST
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There is some weirdly entertaining spammish insanity in the recent diaries...


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:43:37 PM EST
i couldn't stop reading. painfully hilarious, precarious. her stealing into the ICC meeting. the sexual undercurrent. the wandering mind. the sad life story.

the computer viruses. Led Zeppelin. casual criminality in the background.

i've already had a shower. why can't i remember Master and Margharita?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 05:55:23 PM EST
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You left out the partially nude sunbathing!

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 06:00:21 PM EST
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i partially remembered.

i'm so relieved to know i'm not the only one who took the ride. whew.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 06:05:48 PM EST
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Really ?? Where ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 06:03:18 PM EST
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If you don't know I can't tell you.  

But you just have to read the bit about driving a Jaguar to a secluded NJ rest stop...

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 06:05:11 PM EST
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difficult to do that when I don't know which diary it's in.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 06:07:32 PM EST
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Can send by email. Easy conditions - buy now, pay later. Discretion guaranteed.

From the "author"'s "blog":

War Crimes investigator and scholar. I want my readers to be cognizant I have two blogs now for technical reasons. I will be continuing to post follow-up articles on this new one h2tp:---usa.----blogs.com For some unknown reason my other blog located at h2tp:----.----blogs.com no longer allows me to post.

"For some unknown reason", neither does ET.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:13:47 AM EST
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Huh ?? Now I know how poemless felt when she said to Migeru "the more you explain, the more confused I become"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:24:24 AM EST
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I love you too, Helen.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:44:12 AM EST
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:-))

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:38:30 AM EST
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The person who posted these diaries is a spammer.

Clear enough?

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:21:15 AM EST
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Ah, so I'll never know about the New Jersey Jaguar.

Ho hum ... ;-)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:39:18 AM EST
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He offered to drive me up to the spot in his fancy brown Jaguar.  I had never really been in a Jaguar before and it drove really smooth.
That's it.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:46:17 AM EST
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But

Nikola and I spent several hours just chatting

Letdown.

When locusts move on, they leave nothing behind

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:50:37 AM EST
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The chat was brainy
just chatting about Serbia and the illegal NATO actions undertaken against his country
afew:
Letdown.
Ah, but there is lots of hopeful foreshadowing...
and when we commenced, he drove me back to my car waiting by the restaurant and we decided we would meet again for lunch in about a week; he would give me call soon.


A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:56:03 AM EST
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Hmm, maybe we should consider it an attempt to replace the ET classic Gone with the Windmill...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 04:57:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not any longer...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 10th, 2009 at 03:45:02 AM EST
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