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Blair Means Big..?

by afew Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 09:40:32 AM EST

Europe has to decide whether to think big or behave small. Big means Blair.

The quote is from Denis MacShane, but it's in an Independent article by Donald McIntyre that looks like the beginning of a serious announcement of Tony Blair's candidature for the post (to be created if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified) of President of the European Council.

Euro star: Could Tony Blair become the first EU president? - Europe, World - The Independent

an Irish vote in favour of Lisbon will be enough to trigger a wave of speculation on who will emerge in what could be the role of "Mr Europe" over the next five years. And without even uttering a word to say he wants the job, Mr Blair is already being discussed in Brussels and across the capitals of the 27 member states as the biggest figure among the potential candidates. If all goes to plan, a decision could be taken at next month's EU summit.

"Mr Europe", of course, gives the game away from the start. The essential argument for promoting Blair's candidature is, and can only be (because Blair wouldn't be interested otherwise), that the job description is "EU President" or "Mr Europe" or the man Henry Kissinger is supposed to be trying to call, and not the more limited definition of Article 9B (6) of the Lisbon Treaty:

6. The President of the European Council:

(a) shall chair it and drive forward its work;
(b) shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council in cooperation with the President of the Commission, and on the basis of the work of the General Affairs Council;
(c) shall endeavour to facilitate cohesion and consensus within the European Council;
(d) shall present a report to the European Parliament after each of the meetings of the European Council.

The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.

The post is so big, the argument goes, that only Blair can fill it. Never mind that "without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative" - these will be new positions, and the first incumbents will shape them for a generation to come. And that's why Blair is the man for the presidential job: he will shape the function into Big™ , high visibility, high profile, high communication. So Blair is big enough for a job he will shape into something big enough for him. Circular argument? No problem.


The article begins with an attempt to win back lost ground. Blair, it has been suggested, is not getting the support he might among EU leaders because of his inexistence in the job of Quartet Envoy to the Middle East. Donald McIntyre (Jerusalem correspondent but former Chief Political Commentator of the Independent) obviously spent some time with Blair "on the job" working with West Bank Palestinians on checkpoint problems. The first half of the article paints a glowing portrait of Blair's tireless - but oh so modest - efforts :

Persistently upbeat...he does not betray the slightest frustration. He works pretty hard here on his monthly one-week trips, energetically pressing a detailed if unglamorous shopping list of improvements...
the inevitably slow progress is hardly surprising, given that a powerful new US President has just failed to persuade Israel to freeze settlement construction for a year.

OK, we get the picture. Blair has been toiling away quietly like the jolly nice chap he is, and the fact that he has done nothing visible in two and a half years is only to be expected in the circumstances, see Obama. Next access of shyness on the part of the jolly nice chap:

Yet though he would never give the slightest hint of it, you cannot help wondering if just occasionally he would like to be free of the limits on a role whose mandate is inevitably narrowed by the fact that the US is going to be the only external agent that can force through the real political progress he knows is needed. Especially since, just possibly, a job with a rather wider remit could soon be in sight.

Here we go. The UK is backing Blair's candidature, says McIntyre, but the Sarko-Merkel axis is vital. And lo and behold!

Charles Grant, the well-informed director of the Centre for European Reform [CER], Britain's leading EU think-tank, says he believes both Merkel and Sarkozy are now on board for a Blair presidency – which he therefore thinks is "looking quite plausible" at present.

Most commentary so far seems to agree that neither Merkel nor Sarkozy want Blair, but we all know it's a sine qua non for victory that a candidate look like a winner. So let's say he looks like one. Here is a "well-informed" person who, we are told, deduces (therefore) from his personal belief (believes both Merkel and Sarkozy are now on board) that it's "quite plausible" Blair will be President of the European Council. This is very convincing. All the more so when one considers that the Centre for European Reform is an Atlanticist, neo-liberal, New Labour set-up that was once called (in the same newspaper) "Tony Blair's private think tank".

The article does go into consideration of the opposition to Blair, especially on the left, with the fear that he might fall between two stools, identified as a leftie by the right and a rightie by the left (the possibility that he might deserve that fate is not discussed). Doubts about Blair's pro-European image are brought up too. Someone (Charles Grant?) seems to have fed the journalist with an intricate counter-argument on this:

But in any case enthusiasts for a Blair candidacy point out that the worry that Blair is not sufficiently European for the job, is actually perverse....
...to choose a leader who as a Prime Minister failed to take his country into the eurozone and chose to break with "old Europe" over his bitterly controversial support for the US military invasion of Iraq may actually be the most "European" thing to do....
...the return to office of a British Conservative government whose hostility to pooling even those elements of national sovereignty which give the EU's members – including Britain – a greater global influence on issues from climate change to world trade, could pose real problems. In that event, the argument goes, what better counterweight than having at the helm of the EU the one British figure capable when necessary, by influencing British public opinion in a contrary direction? ...
if the Europeans want to avoid the big knock-down destructive fights with its second-biggest net contributor that characterised the Thatcher years, then having Blair in the most powerful EU job may be an insurance policy against it happening.

It's no insurance at all, in fact: one could even say that the mere fact of Blair being in Brussels would just raise the heat of the conflict. But isn't it a clever argument? (If you think this is an instance of insular Brit-centricity, you clearly misunderstand today's global world in which... Oh, never mind. Europe needs a British boss to deal with the problems Britain is going to cause. Britain is just so relevant, you know...)

The main argument, however, is fairly simple.

Yet these complaints may miss a crucial point. For whether the member states like it or not this is – assuming the Treaty is approved – a defining moment for the EU. The formal powers of the job remain vague. But what they are will depend very much on who has it, and particularly who has it first, since that may define its remit for a generation or more. One possibility is that the new president is not much more than a chairman of the European Council, a relatively-faceless bureaucrat who remains constantly overshadowed by the heads of the main member states. But the idea behind it was to give the EU a new cohesion as a bloc, to help it punch at or above its weight, and provide – finally – an answer to Henry Kissinger's famous question: "Who do I call if I want to talk to Europe?" Yet that role can only be established if the new president has enough stature to fill it.
This entirely depends on pro-Blair definitions: if that was "the idea behind it", whose idea was it? Why doesn't everyone agree? Why doesn't the treaty text define the post in that way? Above all, why must we define ourselves according to an American imperialist sneer that Atlanticists never fail to repeat? The post of President of the European Council has nothing to do with answering Henry freaking Kissinger's calls. Nothing. But it goes on:

The CER's Charles Grant confesses to "mixed feelings" about Blair's potential candidacy. On the one hand he worries about his deep unpopularity among elements of the European centre left , because of the Iraq war. "The fact that some people actually regard him as evil could make him less effective in the job," he says. On the other he has no difficulty in spelling out the case for Mr Blair. "I have spent time in Russia, China and India recently and people there say: 'If you want us to engage with the EU, choose someone we've heard of, don't pick Jean-Claude Juncker [Prime Minister] of Luxembourg.'" And secondly, he's a damned good communicator, which is hugely important for an organisation as complex as the EU."
The case for Mr Blair is, then, that Russia, China, and India do not engage with the EU and would do so even less, if that were possible, if the President of the European Council were a person they've never heard of, like someone they then go on to name. Fortunately, Blair is a "damned good communicator" and will perhaps be able to get us to understand what his little pal Grant is trying to get us to swallow.

And so on to more of the same (from McIntyre, insofar as one can separate the strands of what is quoted from what has been "suggested"):

The danger of the coming argument on his eligibility for the job is that it may avoid the biggest question of all, which may not be posed again for a generation: what sort of Europe does Europe want?

Ah, the generational decision, to which Denis MacShane supplies us with the "vision and communication thing" shared by Churchill, De Gaulle, and Jacques Delors. And Tony Blair.

Of course.

Display:
The CER seems to have been preparing arguments and talking points in favour of Blair's candidacy.

For different takes on the CER, founded by rightwing Labourite Nick Butler, see Wikipedia, also here and here.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 09:54:46 AM EST
Nice deconstruct, afew.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 11:57:11 AM EST
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indeed. Well done.

But it means they're not giving up.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:48:25 PM EST
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European Tribune - Blair Means Big..?
Blair is a "damned good communicator"

better...

The only way he'd be supportable would be if he came 100% clean on iraq, and that sunk bush & cheney in jail.

one can dream


It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 01:18:51 PM EST
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narrative building "it will be Blair" prior to the Lisbon Treaty having been decided, then the narrative "No to Blair" should get some extra fire power.

There was talk of another roll-out of Stop Blair, and press releases. Press releases can be prepared in advance. Should we?

by Nomad on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 10:06:58 AM EST
Surely we should, but is this article the occasion on which to do it?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 10:49:30 AM EST
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Why is Blair not disqualified from consideration in the first instance? He's neither a head of state nor of state legislature nor state minister.

And why shouldn't one identify alternative candidates  among current members of EU parliament or Commission  --if current executive status in a member government is not a requirement of candidacy?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:39:50 PM EST
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He's neither a head of state nor of state legislature nor state minister.

Under the Lisbon Treaty, the job is to be a full-time one.

why shouldn't one identify alternative candidates

The Council President won't be democratially elected, it will be elected in the Council -- meaning, there will be lots of cattle-trading and backroom deals and spin campaigns; and lots of names will be brought into discussion (have been brought up) before any official candidacy, some to push the candidate, some to burn the candidate.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:48:16 PM EST
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Thanks.

Under the Lisbon Treaty, the job is to be a full-time one.

I'm to understand then, one of Blair's crucial qualifications is that he's currently unemployed and available to begin "work" immediately?

The Council President won't be democratially elected, it will be elected in the Council

This I understood. And if the honor is emeritus, an election created for Council pensioners by Council members, cultivating popular disapproval of Blair's candidacy is void. Unless some language in the treaty permits Council constituents to disqualify a candidate.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 01:58:59 PM EST
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I'm to understand then, one of Blair's crucial qualifications is that he's currently unemployed and available to begin "work" immediately?

Well he is employed, but bored of the job... as Middle East envoy. He is bored, but I would more say that that disqualifies him....

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 02:03:49 PM EST
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My meaning was somewhat facetious :) as Blair is a "retired" prime minister, is he not? I would be reluctant to argue that his many "part-time" occupations entail few obligations other than the odd dinner theater engagement and salary collection.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 03:51:39 PM EST
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However, there is indirect democratic effect. The Council isn't themost popular EU instittution... in fact it is the least popular one. So one reason many consented to ther permanent President idea was that such a President could give a higher profile to the Council, and a good pick could give a better image to this club of the powerful (who would continue to make their backroom deals behind our backs nevertheless).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 02:08:07 PM EST
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Hmmm. Taken together with the concern down-thread about Council president-elect undermining the EU president, wouldn't a campaign to "stop Blair" acquire greater potency if tied to a campaign to discredit the office itself? The long view suggests, this G8 privilege to disrupt member rotation of influence through EU presidency even as the union expands.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 04:18:37 PM EST
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The office itself doesn't need to be discredited, just kept down to size. Who holds the office for the first term will largely help define the post, and it is imperative that this first person be someone who is diplomatic, widely respected and has the proven ability to broker agreements among EU member states and the interest to engage in the boring bits of the job. Blair fails on all counts. He wants the job for self-aggrandizement, he would want to encroach on at least one of the other 4 top EU jobs (the High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy), he is a divider and highly controversial, and he failed to mediate any important agreements among member states while the UK holds the rotating presidency.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 05:48:04 AM EST
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The Council President won't be democratially elected, it will be elected in the Council

Uh, the members of the Council will elect the President: sounds democratic to me.

Repeat after me: the members of the EU are the states.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 02:06:09 PM EST
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And states vote with weighted votes.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 02:09:10 PM EST
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Still democratic.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 05:42:36 AM EST
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Then, is a stockholder vote democratic?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 01:32:52 PM EST
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I suppose so.

What are the conditions for democracy? Is one-man-one-vote one of them? Is representative democracy democratic?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 01:36:05 PM EST
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There is a fundamental difference here: In the Union, voting weights are determined by population (although in a slower than linear manner), in a stockholder meeting the voting weights are determined by monetary clout.

The analogy to the stockholder's meeting would be accurate if voting weights were determined by GDP. Or by GDP pro capita.

(That aside, the parallels between the modern Western, spin-mediated version of democracy and the stockholder's meeting are eerily accurate at times.)

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 02:43:25 PM EST
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Two points.

First, is the IMF not democratic since votes are proportional to budgetary contributions?

What of Penrose's square-root rule and the power index? Why is "slower than linear with population" a bad thing?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 02:48:04 PM EST
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First, is the IMF not democratic since votes are proportional to budgetary contributions?

Yes, the IMF is not democratic. (The fact that votes are weighted according to budget contributions is probably the least of the democratic problems, but that's the IMF for you...)

What of Penrose's square-root rule and the power index? Why is "slower than linear with population" a bad thing?

I didn't mean to say that they were a bad thing. There are as many sound cases for having slower than linearly increasing voting weights as there are sound cases against it.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 04:01:27 PM EST
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Colman:
The Council President won't be democratially elected, it will be elected in the Council

Uh, the members of the Council will elect the President: sounds democratic to me.

Does not sound democratic to me.

Suppose you elect an assembly that elects an assembly that elects an assembly that meets behind closed doors to elect a person. Sure you got to vote, but put in that many steps between your vote an the last decision and you will have no influence over that last decision. (I think that is what they use in Cuba.)

Colman:

Repeat after me: the members of the EU are the states.

And I think the hallmark of democracy it that the citizens - the demos if you like - is the deciding power.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue Oct 6th, 2009 at 04:41:13 AM EST
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Grooks by Piet Hein
MAJORITY RULE

His party was the Brotherhood of Brothers,
and there were more of them than of the others.
That is, they constituted that minority
which formed the greater part of the majority.
Within the party, he was of the faction
that was supported by the greater fraction.
And in each group, within each group, he sought
the group that could command the most support.
The final group had finally elected
a triumvirate whom they all respected.
Now, of these three, two had final word,
because the two could overrule the third.
One of these two was relatively weak,
so one alone stood at the final peak.
He was: THE GREATER NUMBER of the pair
which formed the most part of the three that were
elected by the most of those whose boast
it was to represent the most of the most
of most of most of the entire state
-- or of the most of it at any rate.
He never gave himself a moment's slumber
but sought the welfare of the greater number.
And all people, everywhere they went,
knew to their cost exactly what it meant
to be dictated to by the majority.
But that meant nothing, -- they were the minority.

Is that about Tony Blair?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 6th, 2009 at 04:51:48 AM EST
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Euro star: Could Tony Blair become the first EU president? - The Independent
Mr Blair's instincts, if not always his achievements, were decidedly European

No comment...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 10:33:59 AM EST
It's strange how Blair hides his talents. In ten years at Downing St, his achievements were un- or anti-European, but all the time (unbeknown to us), his instincts were all the other way. In two and a half years as Quartet Envoy, he has had nothing to show, but all the time (unbeknown to us) he's been working away tirelessly.

This disconnect between the secret "real" Blair and the public "false" Blair makes me wonder if he is really such a great communicator after all.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 10:56:53 AM EST
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The easiest way to stop Blair is to present a credible alternative and promote a positive campaign for that alternative candidate.  

But who is the electorate?  It seems that Merkel/Sarkozy/Brown are the key players who hold a veto on any prospective candidate - whilst not having quite enough power to impose a candidate no one else wants.  So who does Berlusconi, Zapatero, Tusk want?  It seems that Blair has the inside track with a lot of these guys as a former equal and colleague.  

But do they want someone with an ego even bigger than theirs and a determination to steal much of the limelight away from them?  From their point of view, the biggest problem with Blair is that he might be seen to diminish them.

But from our point of view, the biggest problem is the lack of a credible alternative who might command the consensus support of the Council.  The popular opposition to Blair is based on his support for the Iraq war and the perception that he is a used car salesman without principles who simply can't be trusted - by any side.  Can the Council trust Blair to pursue their agenda, and not his own?

So who could we promote as a viable alternative - someone sufficiently prominent to be regarded as a peer by the key Council members, but not too uncontrollable or prominent to steal their limelight?

Bertie Ahern was very highly regarded at the time he brokered the agreements to the Constitutional Treaty and the appointment of Barroso - but rather badly dirtied his copybook with financial scandals since.  (He was actually offered the Commission President post, but didn't want it).  We was a fixer and a deal maker who could be relied on not to have too much of an agenda of his own.  Hardly an inspirational choice for the rest of Europe.

But who is?  Daniel-Cohn Bendit/Joska Fischer  - not a chance of getting support outside the minority left/green movement? Jan Peter Balkenende?  Probably very attractive to the EPP majority.  With Barroso safely re-appointed, what is to prevent them having a second bite at the cherry after the Treaty is ratified?  At least Balkenende wouldn't have quite the baggage Blair has, and who cares what the Brits now think anyway?

The reality is that there are very few good choices likely to be ideologically and personally acceptable to a large majority on the Council.  This won't be our choice to make, but the Council's.  Are there any candidates likely to be acceptable to the Council that we could support?

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 11:08:21 AM EST
Frank Schnittger:
But who is the electorate?  It seems that Merkel/Sarkozy/Brown are the key players who hold a veto on any prospective candidate - whilst not having quite enough power to impose a candidate no one else wants.  So who does Berlusconi, Zapatero, Tusk want?  It seems that Blair has the inside track with a lot of these guys as a former equal and colleague.  

But do they want someone with an ego even bigger than theirs and a determination to steal much of the limelight away from them?  From their point of view, the biggest problem with Blair is that he might be seen to diminish them.

Zapatero definitely doesn't want a diva like Blair to overshadow the Spanish EU presidency in the first quarter of 2010. Let's not forget that the "Council President" does not replace the rotating presidency, it just gives the council a visible head and some "continuity". Currently, most of the functions of the new "Council President" are carried out by the Secretary General of the Council who has been Javier Solana for many years, consurrently with him holding the position of High Commissioner for the Common Foreign and Security Policy.

Also, Medium- and Small-size countries are less than pleased with the recent tendency of the big three (UK, France and Germany) to run the EU from mini-summits with Barroso, presenting the results as fait accompli to be rubberstamped by the Council at large. Belgium will hold the EU rotating presidency in the second hald of 2010, and has already voiced concerns about this issue. Hungary is also concerned.

But opponents of a Blair presidency might be blindsided if they allow Blair to line up his ducks without doing anything to present an alternative candidate.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 11:16:59 AM EST
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Migeru:
Spanish EU presidency in the first quarter of 2010
First half, that is.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:07:52 PM EST
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Is it not that the President of the European Council will be the sole permanent President of -- well -- the European Council, while the rotating Presidency will be that of the then fully separate Council [of the European Union]?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:53:13 PM EST
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European Council - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There would be a number of changes to the European Council under the proposed Treaty of Lisbon.[17]

The treaty would make the European Council a formal institution, separate from the Council of the European Union (now the Council of Ministers). While the Council of Ministers would continue with the rotating presidency, the European Council would have a single, fixed, President of the European Council with a renewable two-and-a-half year mandate. The position would stay a non-executive, administrative role. It would have an important role in organising work and meetings, providing external representation (including working with the CFSP) and being able to call extraordinary meetings beyond the four that are now formally required to take place.[18]

The role of the council is clearly separate from the Council, and primarily follows previous definitions. In separating from the Council of Ministers, the European Council gains no legislative power. It does however gain a greater say over police and justice planning, foreign policy and constitutional matters, including: the composition of the Parliament and Commission; matters relating to the rotating presidency; the suspension of membership rights; changing the voting systems in the treaties bridging clauses; and nominating the President of the European Commission and the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy. The High Representative, along with the new post of President, are the only formal changes in composition. Further more, under the "emergency break" procedure, a state may refer contenious legislation from the Council of Ministers to the European Council if it is outvoted in the Council, although it may still be outvoted in the European Council.[18][19][20]

Although there may be some informal changes; currently the President of Finland informally takes part in the European Council as s/he is responsible for the Finland's foreign policy outside the EU. This is alongside the Prime Minister who deals with policy within the EU. Under the new treaty the Council becomes a formal EU institution and deals with foreign policy (making it EU policy). Hence, some see the President's attendance would no longer be justified.[21]

There has been speculation on who would be the first (full time) President of the European Council, being dubbed as the President of the European Union. Currently the most common name is former British Prime Minister, Tony Blair.[22][23] This was backed up further when, in June 2007, French president Nicolas Sarkozy was the first leader to propose that Blair be the first president.[24]. On July 15th 2009, BBC News reported that the UK Minister for Europe Baroness Kinnock had confirmed that Blair would be a candidate for the role and would have British government support. However in August 2007, there has been specuation that Bertie Ahern, the former Irish Taoiseach, could also be a contender[25]. The Bulgarian government has floated the name of former Prime Minister Simeon Saxe-Coburg-Gotha[26]. In September 2009, the name of Dutch Prime Minister, Jan Peter Balkenende, was reported in the Dutch press[27] as a possible contender for the new post. Balkende has firmly denied that he was a contender, dismissing the claim as "claptrap"



notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 01:42:11 PM EST
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Something like that... So the rotating presidency still does all the work and the SuperMegaPreznit™ gets all the media attention?

By the way, wasn't this "Council President" Blair's idea to begin with?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 05:37:34 AM EST
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I, too, think that the best way to prevent Blair from becoming the president of the European Council is to find a credible alternative. However, were we willing to do so, I do not think we (ET) are in a position to propose/support a candidate.

What made the small success of the StopBlair petition is the fact that it federates people from all venues and opinions who strongly oppose his nomination. Furthermore, it send a very clear message that got (and might still get) the attention of the media because we were the only ones to do so. If we were to launch a campaign for a particular candidate, our message would most probably be lost in the political noise. By the way, we would first have to agree on a candidate, which is not as likely as it might seem... ;-)

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:23:43 PM EST
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It is always easier for any group to define what they are against rather than what they are for.  I am surprised that to should suggest we should take the easy way out...  :-)

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 01:51:27 PM EST
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What about the one whose name Russian, Chinese and Indian diplomats supposedly spelled out even though they never heard it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 02:07:59 PM EST
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Well we clearly can't displease those diplomats when making our decision.  that might upset the Foreign Office...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 02:19:00 PM EST
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What about Václav Klaus?

<ducks>...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 04:00:27 PM EST
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Maybe that might convince him to approve the Lisbon Treaty.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 05:41:48 AM EST
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Klaus trying to herd the cats that are the EU heads of statesand governments... LOL, that would be a show!

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 01:34:42 PM EST
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It's not the easy way out, it's the only way in for us. It has nothing to do with easiness and everything to do with strategic assessment.

Do you really think that, if ET were to promote a candidate, we would be noticed, let alone listened to?

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 03:51:08 PM EST
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Ah yes, poor little ET, no one cares about us.  But does that give us the licence not to make any hard choices ourselves?  C'mon Mela - who ya up for?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 09:43:44 PM EST
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Why not draft Gorby? He's done more for European integration than most of the bozos that're actually running.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 05:11:42 AM EST
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Gorby's one of my heros - I don't have many - but even I have to concede that he is past it...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 09:31:10 AM EST
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True.

When's the next Spanish general election? Is ZP gonna be free before Lisbon is ratified?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 09:57:28 AM EST
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Last election was in March 2008, though there are calls for early elections over the handling of the crisis.

ZP will hold the rotating presidency of the Council of Ministers in the first half if 2010. See how you like him after that :P

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 10:00:08 AM EST
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I'm not sure I like him, but he's actually qualified for the job. Which is better than can be said for most of the field.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 10:12:02 AM EST
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On second thought: is he? He can keep together his own party, but when has he conducted something involving equal partners?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 01:37:20 PM EST
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In that respect he seems to have run his party like Blair did - by sidelining all dissenters and possible challengers.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 01:39:33 PM EST
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As professor Bruwer said in André Brink's great novel "A dry white season":
"There are only two kinds of madness one should guard against.  One is the belief that we can do everything.  The other is the belief that we can do nothing."

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 06:30:13 AM EST
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Dead on.  On the one hand, and on the other...  -get off the fence!!!!  What ya doin'?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 09:27:23 AM EST
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How is being against Blair being on the fence?

I think Melanchthon's right that our campaigning for a candidate would have little or no effect. Helping spread the message that Blair sparks off immediate and strong opposition is something we can do with effect.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 10:02:14 AM EST
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the main thing is to derail any possibility of an aura of inevitability for Blair.

As long as we can drum up noise against him, we can accomplish our task.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 06:27:10 AM EST
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Frank Schnittger:
The reality is that there are very few good choices likely to be ideologically and personally acceptable to a large majority on the Council.  This won't be our choice to make, but the Council's.  Are there any candidates likely to be acceptable to the Council that we could support?

Angela Merkel. Now we just need her to lose on Sunday.
by someone (s0me1smail(a)gmail(d)com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:57:47 PM EST
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Yeah!

But, seriously, small states wouldn't like it. I still think that one of the BeNeLux candidates will be the winner.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 01:46:09 PM EST
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Given that Frederik Reinfeldt is on record as saying that most smaller member states don't want "a strong leader" as European Council president (e.g. European Voice, 2 July) the only chance for Blair is strong support from Merkel, Sarkozy and Brown. A big part of their thinking (well not so much Brown's ;-)) is going to be to what extent they're willing to allow themselves to be eclipsed by the new president. In that context, obviously Blair is a very different proposition from Balkenende, amongst others.

Both Merkel and Sarkozy have recently held the presidency of course, and won't expect to do it again. Whereas i.a. Spain's, Poland's and others' leaders will have their own expectations regarding their forthcoming presidencies and thoughts about the sort of person they will wish to "share" with. No member of the European Council is going to want to hang around like a spare part during their national presidency, so that factor will surely weigh heavily on the choices of those next in line.

On another point, this article seems to take it for granted that the most important role of the president is to be the face of the EU, but I would argue that the behind-the-scenes role is more important.

Firstly, the president needs to be able to achieve consensus in the European Council. Then they need to be able to build mutually supportive relationships with the Commission president, the high representative, the foreign minister and leader of each successive six-monthly presidency, and to a lesser extent with other presidency-country ministers, Commissioners and key figures in the EP.

And what about the officials supporting the president? Look at the importance of the permanent rep in the current rotating presidency. Is the president going to have a representative in Coreper, or will the permanent reps run rings around them? Will the president have the staff to get to work in the member states' capitals, as the embassies of rotating presidencies currently do?

This sort of article is about focusing on the aspects of the job for which Blair supporters presumably believe he is best qualified. But what about the rest, is it really his thing?

by koksapir on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 11:50:38 AM EST
Excellent comment. In order to push Blair for the post, they first need to define the post as if it were tailormade for Blair, or those supposed facets of Blair they think are "marketable".

And they also have to ignore the aims and hopes of a very considerable slice of the EU, both in terms of leaders and functionaries, but also of member states: the smaller states have no interest in seeing a president from a major country define the presidency for years to come as a high-profile job for big-country candidates.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:24:11 PM EST
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article is about focusing on the aspects of the job for which Blair supporters presumably believe he is best qualified

You have to remember whose ideait was to put the European Council President into the Constitution and then the Lisbon Treaty. Yes, Bliar. And he was mightily displeased back then that the others, for all the reasons you name, cut back on the remit of this post compared to his original vision.

So the article is focusing on the aspects of the job Bliar wanted to create the job for in the first place.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:43:46 PM EST
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"I have spent time in Russia, China and India recently and people there say: 'If you want us to engage with the EU, choose someone we've heard of, don't pick Jean-Claude Juncker [Prime Minister] of Luxembourg.'"

BWAHAHAHA!!! So they name him by name and post, but they never heard of him?... Such lousy astroturfing.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:35:55 PM EST
Oh, sorry, you point that out yourself in the diary... but it was such a hoot I had to hit the reply button.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 12:37:13 PM EST
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It's worth saying again!

Charles Grant, afaik, does not sport a Moustache of Understanding. But he seems to be taking a leaf out of Friedman's book. "I'm just back from (younameit) and over there they've all been telling me what I want to hear. My taxi driver said...".

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Sep 25th, 2009 at 01:06:34 PM EST
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Yes could see Blair as Europe's president - Analysis, Opinion - Independent.ie

An intriguing question, and one which is certain to arise sooner rather than later if Ireland votes Yes and the Lisbon Treaty enters into force, is who is to become the new President of Europe. The job description in the Lisbon Treaty suggests the main job will be chairing meetings of the European Council, the regular meetings of heads of state or government. But the reality is that he or she will be the person who will answer the Kissinger question posed 30 years ago by the US Secretary of State: "Who do I call when I want to call Europe?"

The one candidate who might be thought to have the hedgehog quality is Tony Blair. He knows one big thing at a time: Northern Ireland and Iraq being the obvious examples of the good and the bad hedgehog at work.

Blair certainly has the ability to face down other European leaders. But would it not seem odd for Europe to choose as its interface with the outside world someone who for 10 years failed to persuade Gordon Brown of the merits of joining the euro (despite his own personal conviction that it would be the right policy) and divided Europe disastrously ("old and new Europe" in Donald Rumsfeld's dismissive phrase) over the invasion of Iraq?

The German chancellor and the French president appear to be prepared to forgive and forget the Iraq imbroglio. But the Conservatives, having originally appeared unfazed about a Blair appointment, have now attacked it in vigorous terms.

Insufficiently European for some on the Left in Europe, he would for the Right, particularly in Britain, have the opposite fault.

For an Irish voter, not that any will be allowed to vote in this ultimately undemocratic presidential election, a further consideration might be the fact that the drafters of the treaty, (and I spoke to the man who drafted this section of it last week,) envisage that the president of the council's job should ultimately be merged with that of president of the commission.

Given the importance smaller countries rightly attach to the commission's role in protecting their rights and interests, this proposed merger should cause some unease.

It must be right for the European Council and the commission to coexist in a state of useful tension not joined at the hip by a common president.

Ruling such a merger out would have been a further useful 'clarification' for the Irish government to have extracted from the EU.

Sir Ivor Roberts, President of Trinity College, Oxford, is a former British Ambassador to Italy, Ireland and Yugoslavia.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 05:49:18 AM EST

the fact that the drafters of the treaty, (and I spoke to the man who drafted this section of it last week,) envisage that the president of the council's job should ultimately be merged with that of president of the commission.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 06:22:59 AM EST
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Yeah. I'm checking back on the conflicts in 2002-3 that led to the phrasing of the "Constitution" on this point, phrasing which wasn't changed from the first treaty to Lisbon (with the exception of the title of the High Representative).

Who might claim to have actually written the language I don't know, except that it was on the side of the Juncker and small-country camp, and certainly not the A-B-C camp (Aznar-Blair-Chirac). And the Juncker side was/is certainly not in favour of a powerful president of the European Council also taking over the attributions of the Commission president. So I don't know who or what Ivor Roberts is talking about.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 06:31:56 AM EST
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BTW it seems that the main proponent of the idea that the presidency of the European Council and that of the Commission should merge, was Charles Grant himself, in 2002.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 11:11:34 AM EST
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ifri
Pierre Lequiller, representative of the [French] National Assembly in the Convention, suggested for example a single president of the European Council and of the Commission.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:27:08 PM EST
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