A-B-C, The Seven Dwarfs, And The Giant Bird

by afew
Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 03:45:09 AM EST

In a recent discussion of Blair's candidacy for the post of President of the European Council, the question was asked:

Migeru:

wasn't this "Council President" Blair's idea to begin with?

Well, kind of. UK Government claims it was his idea, while other observers say it was Chirac's. In any case, it rapidly became known, in the spring of 2002, as the A-B-C proposal, after its champions Aznar-Blair-Chirac. It was bitterly opposed by the Seven Dwarfs. It also ran contrary to the European vision of the EU's largest member state.

The reasons why the proposal made it through to the Lisbon treaty, but in a watered-down form and with a lack of clear definition of the role of the presidency with regard to the rotating member-state presidency, to the Commission presidency, and to the functions of the "High Representative for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy", are already suggested by the breakdown of proposition/opposition above.

Here's how it happened.

Originally posted 1 Oct, bumped by afew


The European Council, a (previously informal, undefined in the treaties) meeting of the heads of state and government that had taken place once or twice a year since 1974, grew with the increase in member states to fifteen into a more complex and important occasion that made vital overall policy decisions, yet with little in the way of system or formal structure. The old format of refined dinner-parties and fireside chats was clearly outdated, yet a more businesslike organization had not replaced it. Frustration grew with poorly-prepared haggling sessions, reaching its peak at Nice in 2000.

Blair calls for change after Nice 'circus' - Europe, World - The Independent

Tony Blair demanded sweeping reforms to the way European Union leaders take big decisions yesterday after a shambolic five-day summit in Nice finally approved a new governing treaty for the EU.

...

The fractious Nice meeting ended at 3.25am yesterday, when the 15 EU leaders buried their differences over their voting power and agreed changes to the union's decision-making process to allow it to admit 12 new member states.

With another full-scale review of the EU already looming in 2004, Mr Blair sought to capitalise on the disarray and chaotic late-night wrangling displayed in Nice. "We cannot do business like this in future," he said bluntly, adding that changes were essential to ensure a more rational decision-making system.

That "we cannot do business like this in the future" was pumped through the media as Blair marked demand for change with his brand. There was a generous subtext there of businesslike Brits needing to knock some sense into the hopeless Continentals, and it wasn't only meant for home audiences. However, there was general agreement that the European Council would not be able to face the challenge of enlargement to 25 then 27 member states without serious organizational change. The six-monthly rotating presidency that was responsible for organizing European Council meetings simply couldn't rise to that challenge, given that the government of the member state currently holding the presidency had other matters of importance to deal with in its own country, that the number of European Council meetings and the importance of their agendas was increasing, and that meetings would run to upwards of sixty negotiators round the table. A six-monthly change in the presidency also meant a lack of time to prepare and to follow up on meetings, a lack of familiarity with the dossiers, a lack of perspective.

The need for redefinition of the EU's decision-making structures led to a decision at the European Council of Laeken (Dec 2001) to hold a Convention that would make proposals for a new treaty. The Convention began its work in February 2002. By that time, the idea was going around that the six-monthly rotating presidency should be replaced by a fulltime president elected by the European Council for five years. The French were in favour, both President of the Republic Chirac and Convention chair Valéry Giscard d'Estaing: the idea fits with France's presidential régime (in which the Prime Minister is appointed by, and takes her/is orders from, the president - there was a possible parallel there with the position of the Commission president that some did not hesitate to draw, whether for or against). Apart from the efficiency theme, the "presidential theme" had its backers:

Philippe de Schoutheete*: Integration (pdf)

A separate argument given was the need to have some permanence, at the highest level, on the international scene if the Union wanted to "shoulder its responsibilities in the governance of globalisation" and to become "a stabilizing factor and a model in the new, multipolar world" to use the words of the Laeken declaration.

(*Philippe de Schoutheete, former Belgian permanent Ambassador to the EU, member of the think tank Notre Europe, author of excellent historical analysis of the institution of the European Council, is a signatory of the Stop Blair! petition.)

Italy was favourable (Berlusconi had become PM in mid-2001), though Romano Prodi as Commission President was reserved. Above all, Aznar and Blair (an extremely "presidential" prime minister) backed this idea of a "big" president who would knock the EU's proceedings into shape and symbolize Europe to the world.

There were opposing views:

Philippe de Schoutheete: Integration (pdf)

Arguments against were based on the risk of upsetting the institutional balance, by strengthening the intergovernmental pillar, identified with the European Council, to the detriment of the supranational pillar, namely the Commission and its President. The innovation was perceived as a presidential system à la française, which is alien to the political tradition of other countries. More implicitly there was the fear that a new structure of this sort would, in practice, be dominated by a group of bigger member states, and the fact that those states were all in favour of this proposal seemed to confirm that suspicion.
The arguments are more fully set out here:

De Schoutheete, Wallace: The European Council

The merits and shortcoming of the six month rotating presidency are being sharply debated, notably at the Convention, and arguments can be put forward in various directions. In the case of the European Council, however, the options for change are limited. It is not reasonable to suppose that an incumbent head of government could exercise the presidency of the European Council for a much longer period of time, say two and a half years. National tasks and responsibilities, at that level, are too constraining. They can, with difficulty, be combined with European tasks and responsibilities for a short period. To prolong a period of absorption in European affairs, involving a distanding absence from national politics, would in many cases amount to political suicide. And of course presidency tasks will be more demanding in an enlarged Union: more contacts, more travel, more problems, more external obligations. This means that the system of "team presidencies", favoured by some, whereby presidencies would be shared out between a group of countries for a period of several years, could not be applied at the highest level, because no incumbent head of government could undertake the presidency of the European Council for a long period of time.

In practice that leaves two options open for the presidency of the European Council:

  • To appoint a president who has been, but is no longer, an incumbent head of government.
  • To keep the present rotation, but to accept that the role of the president would be limited to that of a chairman

The idea initially put forward by Chirac, and supported later by Blair and Aznar, of electing a full-time President of the European Council, chosen from among former heads of government and for a period of, say, five years, would certainly enhance efficiency, visibility and authority. The President would have time adequately to prepare meetings through numerous contacts and preliminary work. S/he might chair coordinating meetings of the GAERC in order to focus on follow-up work. S/he would ensure continuity, acquire an extensive knowledge of issues and personalities, and develop the skills needed when chairing a large group of prominent political figures. S/he would give a face to the European Union both in the Union itself and to the outside world.

But difficult issues arise.

The first concerns divergences in political culture: the personalization of power, which is implicit in a presidential, or quasi-presidential, system of this sort, is a political fact in some major countries in Europe, but it is not prevalent in the majority, specially in the smaller ones, where coalitions are the rule, and parliamentary assemblies play a major role. Linked to suspicion that the President would always be chosen from a big country, this proposal could exacerbate the divide between bigger and smaller member states. Some preliminary reactions to the proposal are indicative of this danger.

The second concerns the impact on the institutional balance of the Union and specially the relationship between the President of the European Council and the President of the Commission. The proposed system would elevate to the highest level the sort of tension which is known to exist between the functions (not the persons) of Patten [Commissioner for External Relations] and Solana [High Representative for the Common Foreign and Security Policy], and which most observers think should be remedied. If, as would seem probable and desirable, the President of the Commission were to receive more democratic legitimacy from, or through, a vote of the European Parliament, we would have a conflict. Supranational legitimacy from the European Parliament versus intergovernmental legitimacy from the European Council. Europe, it seems to us, needs to combine and reconcile those two legitimacies, not to oppose them.

The last objection would fall if, as suggested by some (Grant 2002), the President of the Commission, appointed by the European Council, were also to chair that body. Given that the President of the Commission is the only member of the European Council dealing exclusively with European affairs, that s/he is also (with the exception of the Belgian Prime Minister) the only one to reside permanently in Brussels, s/he would have the time, occasion, technical knowledge and infrastructure to exercise this presidential task. Dynamics in the system would increase because leadership would flow from a very formidable political figure, combining both forms of legitimacy, able to call on support from the European Council, approval from Parliament, independence and technical know how from the Commission. How would this impact on the collegial character of the Commission ? Would this help or hinder the capacity of the Commission to steer forward major policy reform packages? Are member states ready for this sort of step?

On the last point, Charles Grant:

CER Policy Brief

WHO SHOULD CHAIR THE European Council? Jacques Chirac wants the heads of government to elect a senior figure - such as a former prime minister - as `European President'. Tony Blair is sympathetic. Chirac argues that in a crisis, the EU lacks a credible figure to speak for it at the highest level, as the equal of Bush or Putin; and that such a president would show that democratically elected governments, represented in the European Council, were in charge. However, the Commission already has a president and the creation of another might lead to confusion and rivalry among the institutions. The European President would also be likely to compete against the High Representive. In any case, the smaller countries and Germany see this idea as an attempt to weaken the Commission and may well block it.

The heads of government should think seriously about allowing the next Commision president, due to take office in January 2005, to chair the European Council. So long as they, rather than the Parliament, continue to choose the Commission president, the heads of government could probably accept a more prominent role for this figure. Such a change would help to ensure that the various EU institutions pulled together.

Grant was not alone in proposing the merger of the functions of Commission president and president of the European Council: the idea drew backing from, among others, former Commission president Jacques Santer.

So opposition was partly based on small countries' fear of loss of influence as the majors took aver an increasing share of power - and the Seven Dwarfs (Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Austria, Finland, Ireland, Portugal) were adamant in their rejection of the creation of the presidential post. Those countries were attached to the rotating presidency, which gave even the smallest countries an equal slice with the big, in terms of institutional and media joy, allowing them to showcase their countries by hosting European Council meetings and show their home electorates that their country was more than just a cipher in the EU scheme of things. And, in general, they were suspicious of the growing intergovernmental axis of power in the EU, preferring to support the supranational elements, Parliament and Commission, where they were better represented than on the shifting diplomatic ground of government-to-government relations, where the majors more easily got their way.

It happened that Germany's view was, for somewhat different reasons, also in favour of Parliament and the Commission. The classic German view of the EU is (was?) federalist, favouring a parliamentarian system with strict delimitation of competence (cf Länder). The European Parliament and the Commission should work together on legislation, the Commission deriving its legitimacy from Parliament (election of the Commission president by the EP). The European Council might be useful, but in this scheme it should not become preponderant. The "big president" idea did not fit with German ways of seeing things.

These positions held throughout 2002, while the Convention avoided institutional issues because they were the ones most likely to inflame. So that in the end (de Schoutheete, Integration):

the institutional debate in the Convention , including matters which had been hotly debated in previous intergovernmental conferences and had led to laborious and convoluted compromises, was limited to a few plenary meetings held in an atmosphere of increasing time pressure.
It wasn't the Convention that would settle the question of the presidency of the European Council, it was intergovernmental bargaining between the two historic majors, France and Germany. Chirac and Schröder met in January 2003, and decided on a halfway house regarding their different options. Schöder accepted the notion of a presidency of the European Council as long as it did not diminish the role of the Commission President. Chirac accepted a restatement of the central position of the Commission and the Commission president's election by QMV of the European Parliament.

It was all over bar the bluster. The Convention plenary that followed was largely anti:

From a UK House of Commons research report

At the end of the debate the Chairman, Hanja Maij-Weggen, estimated that, out of the 91 speakers, 12 supported the Franco-German proposal, 64 were against and 15 had serious reservations.
The Commission too spoke against the creation of two executive posts. By spring 2003,

UK House of Commons research report

On 1 April 2003 the Heads of State of seven small EU Member States (the so-called "seven dwarfs": Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Portugal, Austria, Finland and Ireland) held a summit in Luxembourg to prepare their common position on institutional reform, with a view to submitting a contribution to the Convention. The seven governments aimed to create a united front to try and prevent the larger Member States from dominating the future Union. They initially rejected proposals for an EU president, which was regarded as one of the reasons why Denmark had not been invited to join the group (Denmark supported the proposal).

By the Athens European Council on 16 April 2003, 16 of the smaller Member States and accession states had signed up to a paper entitled Reforming the institutions: Principles and Premises.10 This called for the maintaining and reinforcing of the `Community method'. It took a firm stand against "any arrangements which sought to establish a hierarchy of Member States"11 and was against establishing a permanent Council president. To prevent large state dominance the small countries want to maintain the current six-month rotating Presidency, to which they attach symbolic importance.

But, within a month, the Benelux countries had shifted their position, and the front did not hold as far as preventing the institution of a "permanent" president of the European Council goes. Just as a little game, here's the Franco-German agreement of January 2003 (UK House of Commons report, Appendix 3):

1. European Council
  • A stable presidency to give the leadership of the European Council continuity, stability and a higher profile.
  • A five-year full-time elected president or a term of two and a half years with re-election.
  • President would prepare, chair and organise the proceedings of the European Council and ensure its decisions are carried out
  • President would represent the Union on the international arena at meetings of the heads of State or government, without prejudicing the responsibilities of the Commission and its President. The European Minister of Foreign Affairs would conduct the day-to-day business relating to the CFSP.
Here's the text of the Lisbon Treaty, (which is that of the "Constitution" treaty):

5. The European Council shall elect its President, by a qualified majority, for a term of two and a half years, renewable once. (...)

6. The President of the European Council:

(a) shall chair it and drive forward its work;
(b) shall ensure the preparation and continuity of the work of the European Council in cooperation with the President of the Commission, and on the basis of the work of the General Affairs Council;
(c) shall endeavour to facilitate cohesion and consensus within the European Council;

(...)

The President of the European Council shall, at his level and in that capacity, ensure the external representation of the Union on issues concerning its common foreign and security policy, without prejudice to the powers of the High Representative of the Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy.

Apart from the "day-to-day business" language in the Franco-German agreement, that seems to diminish the role of the "Minister" (now reverted to "High Representative" because the Brits thought "Minister" made it sound like the EU was a country with a government, shudder), there's not much difference between the two. So what we have to define the roles (that will in all likelihood come into conflict) of the three top permanent members of the European Council, is a rough-and-ready compromise that Schröder and Chirac knocked together to show willing, and that has gone through the following treaty-writing processes essentially unchanged.

The anti-presidential camp might all the same consider the glass was half full rather than half empty. Jean-Claude Juncker in summer 2003 (thanks to DoDo for the translation):

Jean-Claude Juncker: Wissen nicht, wohin die Reise gehtJean-Claude Juncker: We don't know where this is taking us
Profil: Der Zwergenaufstand der kleineren Länder gegen die großen war erfolglos. Ist dieser neue EU-Ratspräsident noch zu verhindern?Profile: The "dwarf uprising" of the smaller countries against the big ones was unsuccessful. Can this new EU Council President still be prevented?
Jean-Claude Juncker: Wir haben ja diesem im Anflug befindlichen Riesenvogel, der den Europäischen Rat präsidieren soll, massiv die Flügel gestutzt. Zumindest ist jetzt auf dem Papier klargestellt, dass der Kommissionspräsident der eigentliche Spielmacher in der Europäischen Union bleibt und der Ratspräsident nicht zum Vorstandssprecher der Europa AG werden kann. Allerdings muss man eines klar sehen: Wenn es einen Kommissionspräsidenten geben sollte, der seine ihm durch Vertrag gesicherten Rechte nicht voll ausnützen würde, und parallel dazu einen gewählten EU-Ratspräsidenten, der seine Rechte auf Kosten des Kommissionspräsidenten auszuweiten versucht, dann werden wir Konflikte an der Doppelspitze haben. Das wird zu einer weiteren Unleserlichkeit der europäischen Politik beitragen.Jean-Claude Juncker: Well, we have massively cut the wings of this approaching giant bird which is to preside over the European Council. At least on paper, it has now been clarified that the Commission President remains the real playmaker in the European Union, and the Council President can not become the management board spokesman for Europe Inc. However, one must see one thing clearly: if there is a Commission President who would not exploit the rights guaranteed to him by the [Lisbon] Treaty in full, and in parallel, an elected Council President who is trying to extend his rights at the expense of the Commission President, then we will have conflicts of the dual leadership. This will lead to further illegibility of European politics.
Profil: Wer wird denn eigentlich die Union nach außen hin vertreten?Profile: Who will really represent the [European] Union externally?
Jean-Claude Juncker: Leider ist die äußere Vertretung der Europäischen Union durch den Konvent mitnichten klarer geworden. Die Europäische Union wird nach außen hin vertreten vom gewählten Ratspräsidenten, vom europäischen Außenminister und vom Kommissionspräsidenten. Dann werden drei Europäer über den Laufsteg spazieren, über den George W. Bush alleine marschiert. Was daran klarer, effizienter, zielorientierter sein soll, konnte mir bis heute niemand erklären.Jean-Claude Juncker: Unfortunately, the external representation of the European Union was made by no means clear by the [European] Convention [the drafter ofthe failed EU Constitution]. The European Union is represented externally by the elected Council President, the European Foreign Minister, and the Commission President. Then, three Europeans will walk on the catwalk walked by George W. Bush alone. What is supposed to be clearer, more efficient, and target-oriented about that, [is something] no one has been able to explain to me up to now

Half full, half empty? The interesting point is that Juncker considers that the "giant bird" big president option has been seriously trimmed. It would seem, all the same, that that will depend on who gets in there first to shape the post in the absence of precise treaty definitions. If Juncker, it will be a president who seeks to make the European Council work more efficiently while looking for the least friction with the Commission president and the High Rep. If Blair, it will be the "giant bird" option all over again - nothing, in Blair's past as authoritarian British PM, or world grandstander, allows one to conclude otherwise.

And this may have an influence on the outcome of the election within the European Council. How many small countries will (after their defeat on the issue) be willing to back a candidate who is not only from a "major" country, but is likely to give the post the highest possible profile? What will be the German attitude (if Merkel really cares)?

However, Blair may well turn out to be the hungriest (if not the only) candidate and will force his way through. A dangerous outcome for the balance of power in the EU's institutions.

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Comment by Convention president Giscard at the Athens European Council in April 2003, related in the UK House of Commons report:

At the Athens summit Mr Giscard d'Estaing noted that two smaller states, Denmark and Sweden, had recently announced their support for the idea of an EU president. The creation of such a post would, he thought, help to settle the question posed by the former US Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger, of whom to call in Europe in an emergency, and it could also help to prevent a repetition of the arguments that erupted over military action
in Iraq. Candidates for such a post were rumoured to include Mr Blair, Fogh Rasmussen, the Danish Prime Minister, and José María Aznar, the Spanish Prime Minister.

Now why is it that, whenever that old Kissinger chestnut is rolled out, it's always followed by something Atlanticist? And the only Serious™ candidates for "president of the EU" just happen to be Washington-petted poodles?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 03:03:19 PM EST
It's so much more convenient when you can give your orders to just one guy, and let him do the legwork of telling everybody else.

(that Kissinger comment was before modern IT, presumably. He could just send an email, these days)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 06:05:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Candidates for such a post were rumoured to include Mr Blair, Fogh Rasmussen, the Danish Prime Minister, and José María Aznar, the Spanish Prime Minister.

<barf>

If it's a consolation, Bliar is the only one of those three who is still at large. Aznar faded back into relative obscurity after he got spanked in the '03 election and Fogh has a cushy gig at NATO, where at least he won't do any appreciable harm (NATO is already a branch of the Pentagun, so having a Quisling there doesn't really matter).

So all that's left is to hope that Bliar has an accident involving a stray bullet while visiting Palestine. But of course, that would require him actually going outside his air-conditioned hotel and - y'know, doing his job. So that's unfortunately unlikely to happen.

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 06:41:28 PM EST
[ Parent ]
with your feelings for Blair, I can't endorse wishing for his death, even of the accidental kind. Your other proposal, ie having him in a cell in the Hague, after due process, seems a lot more attractive to me.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 04:09:17 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In all normal circumstances, I would agree with you. Both for tactical and ethical reasons.

But Hague isn't going to happen for Bliar. Hague is for brown people who speak funny. And Russians, of course. Now, if he had retired to relative obscurity, like Aznar or Bush the Lesser, I could live with that. I don't think that Bush or Aznar are going to be in a position where they can murder people again. Bliar is actively planning to assume such a position (or at least his faction of oligarchs is).

Or to put it another way, would you have been similarly shocked if I had expressed happiness with the passing of Pinochet, Castro or Milosevic? Almost by any accounting, Bliar has more blood on his hands - and a smaller prospect of ever facing determined prosecution for it - than the other three did when they were alive.

</hijack>

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 05:22:09 AM EST
[ Parent ]
A question that isn't being asked is - who's in the faction of oligarchs?

We don't know who's pulling his rather jerky strings. This could be a useful thing to find out.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 06:29:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Why is Mandelson still around? Who are his powerful friends that made him such a valuable ally to Brown that he had to bring him back from Brussels to manage a "business" portfolio? And why was he such a valuable ally to Blair that he brought him back from resigning a cabinet post not once but twice?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 06:53:56 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Helen:
Telegraph - Rat plans to leave sinking ship Lord Mandelson: I would work for Tories

In an interview, the Business Secretary said he would be willing to put his experience at the disposal of the country, if Labour lost power. "As I grow older, I can imagine more ways of serving my country than simply being a party politician," he said.

The best way he has ever served the ocuntry was when he was (serially) walking out of downing St having been sacked.

What is Mandelson (or the Torygraph) playing at? The following doesn't sound like a job application...

ceebs:

John Rentoul - Flibbertiwhat?
My esteemed colleague Andrew Grice noticed Peter Mandelson's description in his speech today of David Cameron as a "shallow flibbertigibbet", and says it is a word he has not heard for some time.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 07:04:28 AM EST
[ Parent ]
UK Government claims it was his idea, while other observers say it was Chirac's. In any case, it rapidly became known, in the spring of 2002, as the A-B-C proposal, after its champions Aznar-Blair-Chirac.

Interesting, I somehow missed or don't remember Chirac's central role in this.

*Traitor*, n.
A benighted individual who perceives an illusory distinction between serving his nation and abetting the criminals who govern it.

by DoDo on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 04:41:38 PM EST
The funny thing is that, otherwise, he and Blair were at loggerheads.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 04:44:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Maybe it's iike Bethe on the Alpher-Bethe-Gamow paper. He's there to provide the "C".
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 04:44:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Thanks for this excellent diary, afew!

Juncker:

if there is a Commission President who would not exploit the rights guaranteed to him by the [Lisbon] Treaty in full, and in parallel, an elected Council President who is trying to extend his rights at the expense of the Commission President

I think this would be the case if Blair was elected. In fact, I am afraid there would be little leadership conflict: Barroso would become Blair's poodle.

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 05:48:00 PM EST
Yes, I think that's a likely outcome. In which case the fears of those member states that hold for a strong Commission as guarantor of equality through supranational institutions will come true: the Commission will lose influence to an autocratic representative of the big countries.

One could also imagine that the European Council might choose a yes-man as High Representative to leave the field clear for Big Blair.

All of which supposes that the small countries will line up in European Council to submit to the big countries' power rip-off. Will they, won't they..?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 01:25:41 AM EST
[ Parent ]
If I were the Brits, I would not want to have that role set out to become very powerful, given France's experience in capturing a large number of international positions (think that right now, the heads of the IMF, WTO and ECB are French, and not long ago, you also had the bosses of EBRD, OECD and others I forget)...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 06:03:57 PM EST
But the Brits have successfully mentally captured France, so...

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 06:17:37 PM EST
[ Parent ]
but hopefully and likely reversible.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 03:45:51 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Jerome a Paris:

"There is no longer an Anglo-Saxon world and a European world," said Nicolas Sarkozy, the French president,

Because of the capitulation of the European elites, encouraged and pushed by people like Sarkozy (and the ThirdWayers who put the left in such a discredited mess as a result)



En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 04:47:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When was the last time you had sane foreign policy coming out of Downing Street?

Snark aside, I don't believe that this is about long term Franco-British balance of power for the people pushing Tory Bliar. As long as Bliar can hold on to that gig long enough to repay his backers for their support, it's a net win. Britain, in this calculus, is expendable - the private interests of the pro-Bliar faction of the British oligarchs are not.

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 06:55:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
sadly, this seems to be an increasingly common theme in many countries (France, the US, Russia come to mind) - the take over of governmental powers by a very, very narrow caste, constituted of a small number of billionaire tycoons or the like.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 03:47:27 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When you attack the idea of the common good to the point of eroding the public service ethos of the civil service, what else is left but oligarchy?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 04:46:32 AM EST
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This can be seen as the logical progression of capitalism as the socio-economic paradigm towards a conclusion.  All aspects of society are subordinated to the perceived needs of dominant capital, which is represented by the most profitable corporations.  This follows the post-Marxist analysis of Nitzan and Bichler in Capital as Power. where there are alternating regimes of "breadth" and "depth".  Regimes of breadth involve extending the system into new areas, such as the former Soviet Union, India and China and converting societies from subsistence to market based orientations. Regimes of depth involve making the differential accumulation abilities of the dominant corporations more effective, such as killing, assimilating or neutering your competitors. Breadth regimes tend to be associated with times of economic expansion while depth regimes tend to be associated with times of contraction.

Thus, as the capitalist paradigm has totally triumphed in much of the world, power has come to be further and further concentrated into the possession of a few dominant organizations who have effected a relatively complete mental capture of the political processes of the various countries in which they operate. The value of this is that when the profitability of these dominant organizations fail, as in 2008, they can rely on their capture of the government to insure their survival even in the face of their failure at their primary tasks.

The end of this process is that hereditary feudalism based on serfdom is replaced by financial feudalism based on debt slavery.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 11:17:54 AM EST
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Well, the historical evidence is that the Brits were all for it, and the government is apparently backing Blair officially. And currently, France is not doing so well in gaining top jobs in the EU...

Sarkozy can always imagine working well with Blair, which of course Chirac could not.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 01:31:17 AM EST
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For what its worth, Blair is popular in Ireland as the first British PM to really take the Irish seriously and spend the time required to facilitate the Peace process to a largely successful conclusion.  He is almost unique in this regard.  So while the Iraq war was very unpopular in Ireland, you don't have the same anti-Blair sentiment here as elsewhere in Europe.

I suspect that similarly, anti-Blair feeling is much less pronounced amongst the electorate - the heads of Government - than elsewhere in the political system.  His election would give the appearance of balance - a nominal socialist to balance the CD Commission and Parliament Presidents without creating any ideological friction with the Christian and Liberal democrats.  The emergence of the FDP in Germany might also support his liberal economic and atlanticist leanings.  Now that Blair is a Catholic he might even get the Med vote...

Allied to that, his election might help to head of secessionist tendencies in the UK and receive the backing of atlanticist eastern European heads of Government.  So the only remaining problem with his candidacy might be the fear that he would try to be too much of the big bird - in which case Balkenende and Juncker might come into the picture.

The reality is that those who oppose him most - the European left - have been roundly defeated in most recent elections and Iraq is history as far as the Heads of Government are concerned.  But are the other former Heads of Government completely out of the picture?  Chirac (too old?), Schroeder (not interested?), Prodi (too old and opposed by Berlusconi?), Aznar (Opposed by Zapatero?), Ahern (damaged goods?).  It's not too late for a dark horse to appear and I suspect the back rooms have been buzzing as deals are being done.

I suspect the media and academic speculation is only so much hot air.  Those who will really make the decision don't need any affirmation from the media or academics.  They will be talking to prospect candidates to ensure that their concerns will be addressed.  Some may deliberately "promote" some candidate as a cover for their real intentions and get a good deal for appearing to compromise later.

But you guys aren't discussing the real problem:  Where is the European White House?  You can't have poor Tony living in some Hotel room or gloomy Belgian Castle.  Lets have a competition to identify a suitable Palace for the future King of Europe.....

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 08:09:39 PM EST


notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 08:13:00 PM EST
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But you guys aren't discussing the real problem:  Where is the European White House?  You can't have poor Tony living in some Hotel room or gloomy Belgian Castle.  Lets have a competition to identify a suitable Palace for the future King of Europe.....

There are perfectly fine cells in Hague, if Tony is looking for accommodation suitable for his august personage.

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 09:32:19 PM EST
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Where is the European White House?

The Vatican? I'm sure if Blair asked nicely, his friend Berlusconi would be happy to evict the current occupant.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 01:36:25 AM EST
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The job probably requires that the president resides in Brussels. We could move the Vatican there, though.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 02:15:14 AM EST
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Frank Schnittger:
Those who will really make the decision don't need any affirmation from the media or academics.

True, but

Frank Schnittger:

They will be talking to prospect candidates to ensure that their concerns will be addressed.

Only partly. This is not just any job they're hiring for. This will involve a real surrender of power within the European Council. Up to now, the European Council's work was run by the head of government of the current presidency country, who was de jure a member on equal footing of the council - and respected as one who currently exercised real responsibility for her/is country. Now the European Council has to bring in someone from outside, who will not be a head of government in exercise, for a job with (potentially) considerable power. The interests of small member states, which are losing part of the attributes of the rotating presidency that they are attached to, are not necessarily, in any case, aligned with this transfer of power within the council, and much less so if the candidate comes from a big member state. So I think you're oversimplifying the game.

Anyway, though I appreciate the Irish may have reason for more pro-Blair feelings than others, I think anyone who imagines just striking a deal with Tony in which "their concerns will be addressed" has their head... in the clouds.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 02:05:51 AM EST
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I've taken all the great details you've put into your diary about small country concerns etc. as read and just added my 2 cents.  Of course its a lot more complex - wheels within wheels - but bottom line, the rotating Presidency will lose a huge amount of its kudos whoever gets the job.  with c. 30 member states it was only coming around once every 15 years anyway - way beyond the planning horizon of any career politician...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 07:48:20 AM EST
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On a tangent, but it might interest you:

Mr Dick Roche (Gvt, Irl) said that a permanent Presidency of the European Council might even lead to an institutional coup d'état.

That's from the summary of the plenary debate on the Franco-German proposal, at the European Convention on 20 Jan 2003 (quoted in the UK Commons report).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 09:37:11 AM EST
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I'll ask him about that next time I see him!

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 10:43:14 AM EST
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This castle would make a nice palace for Tony Blair in Brussels:



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 05:07:24 AM EST
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Unless thats a jail, can it be rebuilt so the defences face inwards?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 04:40:28 AM EST
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It is the St Gilles prison in Brussels.

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 10:17:35 AM EST
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Excellent diary, afew.

I personally dislike the compromise achieved over the European Council president. I think it would make a lot more sense to have permanent presidents of the 'nine configurations' of the Council of the European Union in the way that the Eurogroup has a permanent president.

But for these, the rotating presidency will be maintained. Well, except for the external relations council which will be chaired by the High Representative. I think it is likely that this is where the main competition will be. The European Council president and the rotating presidency will have to struggle over the privilege of agenda-setting. The upside is that a capable president of the Commission could use that conflict to his/her benefit.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 05:34:40 AM EST
The upside is that a capable president of the Commission could use that conflict to his/her benefit.

Yeah, a capable Commission president would be nice. And while we're dreaming, I'd like a pony too.

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 05:55:18 AM EST
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And, is it not a pity Felipe González is all but retired?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 06:55:05 AM EST
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If Lisbon passes I expect no major treaty changes for twenty years, so I'm looking beyond the current five-year horizon :-)

Then again, a big part of the 'roles' should be defined in the next five years, which is the downside, and which is all the more reason to Stop Blair.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 07:16:54 AM EST
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Would it not make more sense for these 9 configurations to be chaired by the relevant senior Commissioners acting as Commission vice Presidents?  And perhaps ultimately for the President of Commission and Council to be combined?

Its hard not to see the rotating Presidencies as a transitional feature which may come to be seen as a bug - as in the case of the Council itself.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 12:29:56 PM EST
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There's an institutional problem there, in that the Commission proposes legislation that is approved (or not) by Council (and here this is not the European Council). Having the 9 configurations chaired by the Commissioners responsible for legislative projects is not exactly a recipe for clarity.

I don't know, on the other hand, what to think of the proposal of uniting the functions of Commission President and European Council president. Except that there is probably something of the above objection to be expected.

On the rotating presidency: the small countries don't want to lose it entirely, and the fact that it remains in the Lisbon treaty is probably a concession that helped calm their revolt. (I say probably, no historical certainty on that!)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 02:33:29 PM EST
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Jon Worth once had a campaign - called whodoicall.eu - proposing the European Council Presidency and the Commission Presideny to be merged. I had a short exchange with him back then, and I have the same opinion now:
The Council and the Commission are very different bodies (the first intergovernmental, and mainly legislative, the second supranational and mainly executive). I don't think that they should have one head, as the roles are very different.

I'm also not happy about the new single Council presidency and hope that the position will not become one of great power.

An appointed Council President is appropriate insofar as the body is intergovernmental -- of the Member States.


Interestingly, Kissinger himself can't recall ever having said the "who do I call" line.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 06:21:58 AM EST
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Brilliant! Kissinger's call:

FT.com | Gideon Rachman's Blog | Kissinger never wanted to dial Europe

The Kissinger "who do I call" remark was trotted out at almost every seminar I ever went to Brussels. So I'm delighted to add it to the list of "famous sayings that were never said".

Reginald Dale of the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington (and before that of The Financial Times) has written to me to say: "Kissinger never made the famous remark about Europe's telephone number. According to the late Peter Rodman, who knew him well, the saying is apocryphal, and in fact Kissinger's concern was the precise opposite - he was fed up with having to deal with a Dane whom he regarded as incompetent and ineffective, who was trying to represent the whole of the EU as President of the Council. Kissinger himself has disowned the remark, and it seems that he was actually seeking to divide and rule in Europe, rather than be restricted to a single voice on the telephone."

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 2nd, 2009 at 07:30:41 AM EST
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Do we have a summation of whats in the Treaty in diary form somewhere to point people at? or reasons why the treaty is a good thing? I was asked yesterday evening.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 04:43:39 AM EST
He is an enormously malleable person, with driving personal ambition but apparently no actual moral center or coherent political vision. Blair's PM tenure was marked by his servility to the City and to Bush but those influences would not control his EU office and Blair's EU in the Obama Age might be anything at all.
by rootless2 (redacted) on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 04:52:23 AM EST
Snowblog - Has Iraq sunk Blair's presidency hopes?
My sources in Brussels and elsewhere report a rapid sea change in the former prime minister's fortunes as ratification of the Lisbon treaty creeps closer (the Czech president could reluctantly sign it within a week).

Those sources tell me that Blair's candidacy has been hit heavily by the opening of the Iraq inquiry.

European leaders are now horrified at the thought that the EU's first president could find himself almost immediately under very heavy public scrutiny at a formal inquiry into the Iraq war.

The "blood on your hands" incident at the St Paul's cathedral memorial service last week added to the misgivings. The idea that assorted families might continue to accuse Europe's president of having blood on his hands does not appeal to those who have to make the decision as to who should become the European Union's figurehead.

But the message has also been heard loud and clear in the European Council that for Mr Blair to become president will have no positive effect on Britain's attitude to the union. Indeed, diplomats are warning them that the effect might even be dramatically negative.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Oct 20th, 2009 at 10:08:25 AM EST


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