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I joined a new gym today. Closer to home and way cheaper than the old one. It isn't a new year's resolution though, I was just waiting for the January offers.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 11:34:17 AM EST

I'm starting at the local swimming pool tomorrow - not really a resolution, more that I am giving up my car in March and it will be less cost-effective for those kind of trips. A taxi to the station and by local train into town, for business, is a deductible - and will also make me feel better about my footprint. In any case, the people with whom I share the house go to town every day because they run an office there.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:25:04 PM EST
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If i make it until April, it will be one zear since i've been in a gym. and i'm paying the price. (after a life of staying somewhat in shape.) stay with it, you, best investment one can make, says the new german bier belly.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:26:20 PM EST
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China Invades America - Sort Of - China Real Time Report - WSJ

Good luck, I really miss having a gym to go to. Belatedly I realise how spoiled I was at the BBC where i had a great gym that was practically free.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 01:36:22 PM EST
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Red Dawn 2010 (4.00 / 3)

Chinese reaction is mixed between nationalism and skepticism. Some applaud the idea of an invasion and China's rising military strength. Others applaud America's freedom to be able to produce such a film, pointing out that it would be impossible to get a movie of an American invasion of China past the government's censors.
While there may be some scaremongering at work here, there's some evidence the movie will take a more complex tack. It could be a satire of capitalist consumer culture now tarnished by financial meltdown and banker bonus scandals. Rich American consumers taken over by the poorer country that makes the stuff they buy.
As one movie-set poster points out under a picture of 10 donuts: "Obscene choice. A weapon of mass destruction. We are here to help."
And there's hope that one overblown fear may turn out to be just as unfounded as the last one.

La Chine dorme. Laisse la dormir. Quand la Chine s'éveillera, le monde tremblera.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 11:53:13 AM EST

What is this bullshit! (none / 1)

I've been calling this one for YEARS!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:49:39 PM EST
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Re: Red Dawn 2010 (4.00 / 3)

In Sac we have idiots who are applauding the building of more Walmarts. "YAAAAAA! Jobs!"

Friggin' idiots!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:58:41 PM EST
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Analyze this !! (4.00 / 2)

You know, some psychiatrist could really have a field day analyzing america's nationalistic psychoses.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 01:39:36 PM EST
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Re: Analyze this !! (none / 1)

"nationalistic?" au contraire (How French of me.) We see the end of days of living the good life at the expense of the rest of the planet, there's nothing we can do about the slide, and it's SO obvious that our government is only taking care of themselves. The body has been dying since Raygun and we're now waking up to its inevitability. psychosis - don't think so. Reality sucks! Long overdue!

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 04:58:34 PM EST
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Believe it or not, I just noticed Krugman is a former Calhoun college tenant. Epiphany changes everything.

Paul's World, Paul's World ...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:10:24 PM EST

Didn't you run into Jodie Foster when you were there?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:28:24 PM EST
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yep. close encounters. off campus. but wait...

conscience of a liberal ...

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:52:40 PM EST
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Thinking of putting a wind turbine on our property in the 100,000 kwh range. Running the financials, near as I understand them at the moment, it is very favorable. Offsetting our electric consumption gives us a (non-taxable!) nine cents per kilowatt hour.

We are living in an area where the wind can gust up to 75 mph and sustained winds of 55 mph. Dust blowing into the gearing is a certainty so the covering needs to be both tight and easily removed for maintainence.

Since were in town, I've concluded we need a minimum of 100 foot to get the turbine into 'clean' airflow.

Questions:

Is there a wind turbine in the 100,000kwh that is built to last 20 years in our conditions?
I've been estimating the wholesale price of electricity at 50% of retail. Is that reasonable?
I'm reading the cost of erecting a wind turbine runs $1,000 to $1,350 per kwh. Is that accurate?

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 12:55:56 PM EST

first things first (4.00 / 6)

Good thinking, but it seems you're confusing a few things. 100,000 kwh is a measure of annual output, but wind turbines are sized and sold based upon nominal generator size, i.e 1kw - 10kw for residential.

Gusts and sustained don't matter, it is absolutely essential to get an accurate prediction of mean annual wind speed. There is nothing better than setting up your own anemometer on the site, but one can begin to extrapolate from airport, government and university data. For certain there's a group which has already studied NM winds, and likely state gov reports publically available. AWEA site has the NREL map of wind speeds.

You have to check whether NM has net metering, and what the permitting situation is. 100 ft elevation is likely too low "in town" as you need to get above turbulence.

AWEA has a site dedicated to answering questions about small wind. Two residential companies i can recommend are Bergey Windpower and Southwest Windpower. There you'll be able to see what you need for 100,000 kwh per year. Off the top of my head, that sounds impossible for a residential turbine.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 01:30:37 PM EST
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The Bible (4.00 / 9)

resources

Wind Energy FAQ

How Can I Calculate the Amount of Power Available at a Given Wind Speed?

Contributed By Eric Eggleston, 5 February 1998

Because air has mass and it moves to form wind, it has kinetic energy. You may remember from science class that:

kinetic energy (joules) = 0.5 x m x V2

where:
m = mass (kg) (1 kg = 2.2 pounds)
V = velocity (meters/second) (meter = 3.281 feet = 39.37 inches)

Usually, we're more interested in power (which changes moment to moment) than energy. Since energy = power x time and density is a more convenient way to express the mass of flowing air, the kinetic energy equation can be converted into a flow equation:

Power in the area swept by the wind turbine rotor:

P = 0.5 x rho x A x V3

where:
P = power in watts (746 watts = 1 hp) (1,000 watts = 1 kilowatt)
rho = air density (about 1.225 kg/m3 at sea level, less higher up)
A = rotor swept area, exposed to the wind (m2)
V = wind speed in meters/sec (20 mph = 9 m/s) (mph/2.24 = m/s)

This yields the power in a free flowing stream of wind. Of course, it is impossible to extract all the power from the wind because some flow must be maintained through the rotor (otherwise a brick wall would be a 100% efficient wind power extractor). So, we need to include some additional terms to get a practical equation for a wind turbine.

Wind Turbine Power:

P = 0.5 x rho x A x Cp x V3 x Ng x Nb

where:
P = power in watts (746 watts = 1 hp) (1,000 watts = 1 kilowatt)
rho = air density (about 1.225 kg/m3 at sea level, less higher up)
A = rotor swept area, exposed to the wind (m2)
Cp = Coefficient of performance (.59 {Betz limit} is the maximum thoretically possible, .35 for a good design)
V = wind speed in meters/sec (20 mph = 9 m/s)
Ng = generator efficiency (50% for car alternator, 80% or possibly more for a permanent magnet generator or grid-connected induction generator)
Nb = gearbox/bearings efficiency (depends, could be as high as 95% if good)

If there is any single equation that the beginning wind enthusiast should memorize, this is it.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 01:31:58 PM EST
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Re: first things first (none / 1)

Thank you for your reply.

While putting up a residential sized wind turbine is do-able I would prefer to do this as a money-making business. 100,000 kwh - and I know that means annual production - is what is required to make the "math" work, ROI, income stream, & all that.

BTW, I need to be concerned about peak wind speed as I'd just as soon not have the tower crashing down on one of the structures 'round here, the turbine ripping off the top of the tower and flying away, etc., etc.

Being a Designated Cynic isn't merely my job, it's my passion.

:-)

H'mm. Let me try and recast my question.

My requirements, at the money I can afford to throw at the situation, are larger than the normal "residential" market and way too small for the serious players. Before I put a lot of personal time - of which I have little free - I need to find out if there is a reputable manufacturer with a reliable product in my (admittedly minuscule) market niche.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 08:30:14 PM EST
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Did You Read Other Comments? (4.00 / 3)

1. Until you have some idea of your wind resource, you have no idea of how much swept area (watts/m2) you need to produce 100,000 kwh/yr. Once again, you can bet that UNM and the local dealers have a handle on the wind resource, which is your first step. Click here for larger

As you can see, NM basically has strong ridgelines, and little else. This is why certain areas already have windparks, as in the Guadalupe Mtns. Hardly anywhere has over 500 w/m2. (Compare to Scotland with much over 700w/m2)

This map indicates that New Mexico has wind resources consistent with utility-scale production. The largest contiguous area of good-to-excellent resource is in central New Mexico between Albuquerque and Clovis. Other notable areas of good-to-excellent resource are located near the Guadalupe Mountains in southern New Mexico, near Tucumcari, and in the northeastern part of the state near the Colorado and Oklahoma borders.

They are not talking about residential here. It's highly likely that you will need to put the turbine at the loneliest ranch high up halfway to Roswell, and pay the owner something, before you can get anywhere close to 100,000 kwh.yr.

No, you don't need to be concerned about peak wind speed, unless you have strong hurricane winds a few hours a day, in which case you don't live where you live. Certified turbine tower combinations are designed to survive 150 mph winds, and be able to return to power production after 120.

I already gave you two very reputable manufacturers of different scale, and local dealerships, which you didn't acknowledge. If you need a larger turbine, the strongest turbine in the world comes from Northern Power Systems, and operates well in polar regions or at microwave repeater stations high in the Canadian Rockies with maintenance necessary only when the repeater station is visited. But they are expensive of course.

Being a Designated Cynic doesn't absolve you from doing your own homework. And how does "getting the math to work" work if you need to keep investing in larger and larger swept area to get your 100,000 kwh per year?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Mon Jan 4th, 2010 at 03:19:16 AM EST
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Re: first things first (none / 1)

There was a company taking down old DoE turbines and refurbishing them and selling them (apparently the space is now valuable enough that it is worth taking down the old units for newer larger models).

by njh on Mon Jan 4th, 2010 at 05:19:59 PM EST
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Skystream 3.7 (4.00 / 5)

As i thought, from wiki,

SkyStream is the first device to be spun out of the U.S. Department of Energy's Wind Energy Program. That program includes the National Renewable Energy Laboratory Wind Technology Center in Boulder CO. Andrew Kruse estimates that one SkyStream will produce about 100 MWh of power over its 20-year design life. At a typical total installed cost of $15,000, that gives an average energy cost of 9 cents per kilowatthour.[2]

That means your estimate of 100,000 kwh per year is way overboard. The earliest 100 kw turbines in the windy Altamont Pass averaged less than 200,000 kwh per year, and residential scale is a tenth to a hundreth that.

Your costs are also way off. A Bergey 10 kw turbine is $29K, tower $15K, electronics and installation extra. Small wind remains very expensive, except where there's a truly strong wind resource, and net metering combines with high residential rates on the order 14-16¢ kwh.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:10:33 PM EST
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Bergey in NM (4.00 / 3)

ELEMENTAL Resources
Attn: Christopher Dow
9445 Coors NW #1017
Albuquerque, NM 87114
Tel: (505) 301-5123
E-mail: dowenerchi@mac.com

Padilla Industries
Attn: Pat Padilla
11 Cuerno de Vaca Dr.
Santa Fe, NM 87507
Tel: (505) 474-5511
Fax: (505) 474-5523
E-mail: patpadilla@aol.com

Ace In The Hole
Attn: Ed Blue
P.O. Box 178
Estancia, NM 87016
Tel: (505) 269-6994
Fax: (505) 384-5221
E-mail: aceinthehole@wildblue.net

Lynx Electric Co.
Attn: Tom Walstrom
501 General Somerwell SE
Albuquerque, NM 87123
Tel: (505) 271-8773
Fax: (505) 271-0246
E-mail: twalstrom@lynxelectric.com
Web Site: http://www.lynxelectric.com

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:11:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Average Project (none / 1)

An example of a small wind project at Inn Serendipity.

I'd bet your costs would be higher, and you'd get about 20-30% greater annual production with the new blades.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:50:36 PM EST
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Re: Average Project (4.00 / 2)

Just want to tell you that I watched the last two thirds of "Around the Universe" the other night and I was riveted by it.

I'm planning to watch it again soon with my spouse.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 03:11:06 PM EST
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Um, Across the Universe (none / 1)

You can drill out the rivets if you want to be able to move again.

Glad you enjoyed it, perhaps we should make a diary to discuss it, though no discussion is as good as seeing it. That way we try to recreate your old film threads.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 03:28:23 PM EST
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Re: Um, Across the Universe (none / 1)

I'll see if I can get a handle on it. The film is of particular interest to those of us who lived the sixties, which may be the reason for its lack of commercial success. There's not enough of us old guys around who are still able to get to a cinema ;)

The problem with doing a film diary is getting enough people to watch the film in advance.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 04:48:48 PM EST
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Re: Sunday Open Thread (4.00 / 5)

It might be worthwhile doing a careful comparison of wind versus photovoltaic solar, combined with passive solar house features. Here in Colorado Springs, a few hundred miles north of you, straightforward passive solar can almost get you through the winter, with just a bit of additional heat on the coldest and nastiest days. Household appliances are the biggest consideration after heat.

To get an idea of ideal wind conditions, take a trip to a nearby wind farm. It's somewhat surprising to feel how strong and steady the "breeze" (more like hurricane) is at ground level at these sites.

Useful site: http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/ECMD/renewableenergy/wind.htm

It looks like New Mexico does have an aggressive net metering plan
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2007/01/new-mexico-expands-net-metering-to-80-m w-47156
which is really good because then you're basically using the grid as a battery: You put power into it when you have an excess, and take from it when you need it. Hopefully balancing out at the end of the year...

by asdf on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:33:25 PM EST
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Photovoltaic isn't there yet. Been through it upside, downside, and all around the block. Retro-fitting this house to solar heating was the preferred solution and the approach I was going to take until I learned about the NM net metering plan.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 08:34:43 PM EST
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Passive solar ain't so great, but active solar can be tremendously effective, even in places like Montana (see my friend's site: http://builditsolar.com) with payback periods measured in months for some designs. Incidentally, I've got a friend in CS who I think you should meet: how best to contact?

by njh on Mon Jan 4th, 2010 at 05:18:34 PM EST
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Re: Sunday Open Thread (4.00 / 6)

large healthcare graph

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 01:34:07 PM EST

OFF THE CHART!! schweet.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:06:44 PM EST
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I did spend several secnds looking for the good old USA before I noticed the sicly looking red line.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:09:20 PM EST
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That graph should be banished to the outer reaches of bad visuals. There is no scale on the x-axis. What does the slope of the lines mean?

(Nothing.)

by asdf on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:35:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Jeebus, have these people not heard of a scatterplot?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:39:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It may be bad but its given me a stupid idea. And a stupid idea levened with republican quotes and logic might result in a diary.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 09:09:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ZH case

Yet, two themes are apparent. As we indicated before the math is simple: [1]we know how much money is being spent on unemployment insurance and [2] how many people are collecting said money.

...any given week: total "unemployed" = (initial + current + extended) less exhausted. Good luck with that!

There are two options: [1] those on benefits have stealthily seen their paycheck [sic] increase by 48% compared to a year ago (all else equal), or, [2a] more realistically (especially if you discuss this topic with people on insurance benefits, who will tell you that very few of them have actually seen any improvement in their weekly Uncle Sam "payroll"), either a shadow group of "unemployed" is getting more and more payments which is, as of yet, unaccounted for in the DOL database, or, [2b] and most dangerously, the Federal Government is somehow compensating for declines in State budget funding for insurance payments.

Benefit cap varies by state. So to each "initial unemployed" minimum 26 wks. accrues extended benefits, iirc, maximum 13 wks. x 2 = 26 wks. depending on state coverage. Oh, and controlling for UCI recidivists, i.e. persons eligible for UCI having satisfied minimum employment period(s) --13wks to 35wks, depending on state coverage-- between applications. Good luck with that! "Average" benefit payment of 50 states plus territories won't get you where you want to go. Wherever that is.

Zero Hedge will perform a state by state analysis of insurance outlays next to control for this particular variable.

ah, ja. Don't forget variable state UCI trust commitments!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:30:26 PM EST

for a giggle http://wisdomofcameron.com/

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:32:16 PM EST

? My security software is showing that as a known fraudulent website.

Obviously anything to do with Cameron's wisdom has GOT to be fraudulent, but is there anything else going on?

by Sassafras on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 03:59:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]

not that any of mine has picked up.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 04:21:01 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Weird...

by Sassafras on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 04:35:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Using antivirus to censor political comment.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 04:54:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I wonder...

by Sassafras on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 04:59:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I've reported it as a false positive. Let's see if the Branson empire listens.

by Sassafras on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:19:58 PM EST
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It is one of the big problems with internet filtering software, either it is produced by right wing conservative religious organisations, or they see their customers as primarily conservative organisations. Because of that the lists of filtered websites tend to be more left leaning. Unless the person running the hardware and software has an interest and the time, then it does tend to get installed as-is

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:41:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]

dKos is banned at my local library.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:48:06 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Its the practical Overton window.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 06:09:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That's weird. Over here, the public libraries are the last bastion of freedom of speech. You can look at anything with a library account (except XXX stuff). The homeless guys spend most of their days in there researching various conspiracy theories.

The geography of the homeless in Colorado Springs is interesting. The old Catholic church is in the middle of town, so that's where the Catholic Charities office is. They organize the soup kitchen, which is across the street in one direction, next to the old formal city garden--now the central homeless camp. Across the street in the other direction is the public library, where anybody can go during the day to sit in an easy chair and read the newspaper--or log on and do Internet research.

Soup kitchen:

by asdf on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 06:39:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I wish Americans paid more attention to British politics. You may be 6-8 years ahead of us. Your suppose-to-be liberal govt. (NULAB?) did not deliver as expected (Obama anyone?) and now you're going back to the more wealthy idiots to make things better? Looks like Palin to me.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:05:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Palin, schmalin! She doesn't have a prayer on the national stage.

However, if the evangelical nutjobs would let go of their queasiness about Romney, Obama could be in big trouble next time around.

Here in Colorado, the Republican party bigwigs "convinced" (broken kneecaps in evidence) one of the potential candidates for governor next time around to drop out of the primary. This allows their selected candidate to stay closer to the center. But another whacko has come out of the woodwork with threats to take the primary over to the libertarian-anarchist right wing.

...a modern Republican needs to pass various ideological purity tests, such as proclaiming his pro-life credentials while insinuating that people who can't afford health insurance might as well just die. Or leading chants of "Drill, baby, drill" even when the topic is oil shale, which is not produced by drilling. For a few while, I thought McInnis had avoided this problem after various GOP financiers and heavyweights paid a visit to his main challenger for the nomination, Josh Penry, a state senator from Grand Junction and a former staffer for McInnis. Thus McInnis would have the nomination without having to promise state subsidies for the poor, beleaguered gas-drilling industry, or declaring it a financial necessary to close every public college and university except Mesa State.
However, there is still another announced Republican candidate, Evergreen businessman Don Maes. On Dec. 12, he appeared at a "Defend the Republic" rally of Tea Party types on the state Capitol steps, telling them, "It's time to find a candidate you believe in."

Palin will bring the same problem to whomever the Republican party tries to anoint asatheir presidential candidate...

by asdf on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:44:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]

God, I hope you're right. (none / 1)

Palin, schmalin! She doesn't have a prayer on the national stage.

and

Here in Colorado, the Republican party bigwigs "convinced" (broken kneecaps in evidence) one of the potential candidates for governor next time around to drop out of the primary.

Really? Was he too far to the left (gasp!) or what?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Jan 4th, 2010 at 08:13:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Want to know how to stay healthy and happy until old age. Guess you have to ask someone who knows.

Age Less, Live More

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 02:49:55 PM EST

How to live to be old: Choose parents who lived to be old.

by asdf on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 05:46:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I had a comment largely composed when I went to google for fact check. One of the sites I clicked on got me what I feared was a malware bot. It informed me that my computer was vulnerable to malware and, without my permission, started to download its fix. I could click the close "X" button and it just started its thing. So I powered down my computer. Repowered it and restarted, hoping that a restore previous would get me back my comment. Instead, it got me back my malware, so I quickly again powered down, rebooted and ran Spyware Dr. Spyware Dr. is up to date but doesn't stop this software. I wonder it it is a sales aid for Spyware Dr.

GGGRRRRR!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 03:17:33 PM EST

Iran? ...or Honduras? (4.00 / 5)

the France 2 channel displayed images of a protest against the Honduran dictatorship, passing them off as images from a recent protest in Tehran, as proof of just how repressive and violent the Irani police are against civilian populations. The international media, of course, has ignored these images in their original context.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 03:25:11 PM EST

LA then and now (4.00 / 4)

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-then-now-pictures-html,0,6274618.htmlstory

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 3rd, 2010 at 03:52:46 PM EST