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by In Wales
Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 10:51:58 AM EST

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Roads are still a mess here.  We had to go get more food, and the place was almost completely cleaned out.  Guessing the supply trucks haven't been able to get in since the storm.  No beef, no vegetables, very little bread.  So we're basically eating hotdogs and brats for the next few days.

Cars sliding around everywhere.  Pretty much anyone who doesn't have a heavy vehicle with 4WD can't get around, so there were all of five of us managing on the road to the store.

Next storm starts tomorrow.  5-15" still.  Hooooboy.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 11:45:34 AM EST
Now you're getting the idea why the rest of us view snow as just a pain.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 01:47:02 PM EST
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Truth be told, I probably could've made it into work this morning if it had been open, because the schools are shut down, so I would've had the truck.  It's not that big a pain to me, although my arms are still miffed about the shoveling.

Where it's really going to wreck stuff is to the NW near the Sixth Circle of Hell ("Baltimore," as the natives call it) and Annapolis.  Lotta people from our group live out there, and they're completely stuck.

Especially problematic, because we're at crunch time with our big tax survey nearing deadline (need to have it done by Friday to allow time for the press release, web updates, and all kinds of launch/PR horseshit that the higher-ups care about but the rest of us see as, well, PR horseshit).

But whatever.  I'm enjoying my big snowstorm.  So screw it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:22:33 PM EST
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We are now on the receiving end of your "nest storm" and now have approaching 2", 5cm, of snow. I just got back from the store, (with ingredients for a pot roast), and the snow has yet to start sticking to pavement of any kind. The temp. is right at freezing but is slowly dropping. The forecast called for an inch overnight. Check. It calls for 5-8" during the day but may not make it to 5" at the rate it is going now, and it calls for 3" to 5" tonight with lows in the mid teens, -8 to -10C. Currently we are getting big, wet flakes that are accumulating on the ground, trees, roofs, etc. but not yet on pavement. That could turn out to be a blessing for the road crews and the schools, which are already out of snow days in their schedule.

We are now in excess of 30 days this winter with noticeable snow cover on the ground and are expecting another snowstorm later in the week. At least December and January are gone. But I recall getting over a foot of snow on the 21 of March when I was a kid and was living at about the same latitude, but about 180 miles west, over in north central Oklahoma. At least no tornadoes, yet.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:50:57 PM EST
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They just upped us to 10-20 inches for the Tuesday/Wednesday storm.

Fuck me, I'm tired just hearing that.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:14:30 PM EST
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Well, we only have about 3" by 4:30. Probably will end up with 4-5" total.  But so far nothing has stuck to the roads.  If that holds a few more hours that could be very good news for the county and city.

You, on the other hand, can expect what I am getting to blow through and merge, at least partly with another system further to the north.  Glad for your sake that the federal government is generous with days off.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 06:28:14 PM EST
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I loved snow and winter with all my heart until I was about 16 - which jut happens to coincide with desiring adulthood and getting a drivers license.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:23:09 PM EST
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I read the WTO article on the train before I had my coffee. That's bad for my mental health.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 12:57:55 PM EST
I love it when my clients try and teach me English. I just love it.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 01:19:36 PM EST
Didn't you know? Seeing something on television makes a person an authority on a subject.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 01:34:50 PM EST
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Do they speak louder at you, too?  That's my favorite.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 01:38:41 PM EST
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That's a bit of a universal.

In a school where most of the kids are British Asian (and have English as a second language), I've found it quite entertaining to see the Asian kids SPEAK ENGLISH LOUDER at the central European kids just acquiring the language.  SHOUTING AT FOREIGNERS is supposed to be a particularly Anglo vice, so I don't know whether it's innate to these children or whether it's something they've learned because they or their parents have been on the receiving end of it.

I've found that explaining (in French) that shouting doesn't help and then repeating myself LOUDER AND LOUDER generally gets the point across.

by Sassafras on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:32:10 PM EST
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At what point do you tell them...?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 01:50:45 PM EST
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I try and break it to them in a manner that befits our mutual awareness of who will be billing whom when all is (badly) said and done.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:18:04 PM EST
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My thanks to both Millman and Drew for making my Superbowl so enjoyable last night. It's great being able to chat with people about the plays in real time (almost)

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 01:48:10 PM EST
It was a good game - we've had an unusually good run of quality super bowl games over the past decade.

The Saints historical failures (they've been horrible for the vast majority of their existence) and Manning failing to cement his legacy were both very interesting subplots.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:21:11 PM EST
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Saints have got a lot of guys whose contracts are ending now, too.  Whether they can keep themselves up to championship level is an open question.

It's funny.  I was talking to my dad on the phone while discussing it with you two on here, and he kept saying, "Damn, they're running that slant to Wayne a lot.  Saints have to pick up on that eventually."  Boom -- pick 6.  Went to the well one too many times.  Manning went to the well one too many times.

All things considered, another very good Super Bowl, though.  Good to see NOLA partying like it's...well, any other Sunday night on Bourbon Street, but a bit more lively.

Now I'm going to spend some more time fuming over the fact that that little shit Nick Saban chose Dante Culpepper over Drew Brees for the Dolphins before he ditched for the Crimson Tide.  Hope U of Alabama burns to the ground for the 629 ways that little weasel fucked us.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:29:13 PM EST
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aaaah, there is no hatred so implacable or unreasonable as a sporting one

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:31:41 PM EST
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I know, I know.  He's still a toad.

On the other hand, one of his disciples, Jimbo Fisher, is now the head coach at FSU.  And he's been awesome so far.  So let's call it 90/10 Haterade/Thankfulness.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:37:27 PM EST
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I liked the stat that, until recently, Manning (senior) lost more games for the Saints than the two Manning bros had wins

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:29:45 PM EST
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Yeah, they were awful during Archie's time in NOLA.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:38:01 PM EST
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A new T-shirt slogan for America;-

2L4O

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 02:27:38 PM EST
AlterNet - Could U.S. Air Strikes Push Pakistan into Khmer Rouge Type Genocide?

this is a terrifying argument, cos it seems entirely possible

Washington's widening war in the region: self-deception.  The CIA drone program, which the Agency's Director Leon Panetta has called "the only game in town" when it comes to dismantling al-Qaeda, is just symptomatic of such self-deception. [....]

As a result, the seeming cleanliness and effectiveness of the drone-war solution undoubtedly only reinforces a sense in Washington that the world's last great military power can still control this war -- that it can organize, order, prod, wheedle, and bribe both the Afghans and Pakistanis into doing what's best, and if that doesn't work, simply continue raining down the missiles and bombs.  Beware Washington's deep-seated belief that it controls events; that it is, however precariously, in the saddle; that, as Afghan War commander General Stanley McChrystal recently put it, there is a "corner" to "turn" out there, even if we haven't quite turned it yet.

A more provocative -- and perhaps more ominous -- analogy (than between AfPak and Vietnam)today might be between the CIA's escalating drone war in the contemporary Pakistani tribal borderlands and Richard Nixon's secret bombing campaign against the Cambodian equivalent.  

By this January, there was a drone attack almost every other day. Even if, this time around, no one is using the code phrase, "the ball game is over," Washington continually hails success after success, terrorist leader after terrorist leader killed, implying that something approaching victory could be somewhere just over the horizon.

As in the 1960s in Cambodia, these strikes are, in actuality, having a devastating, destabilizing effect in Pakistan, not just on the targeted communities, but on public consciousness throughout the region.

John Arquilla, a professor of defense analysis at the Naval Postgraduate School who frequently advises the military, says that an expansion of the drone strikes "might even spark a social revolution in Pakistan."

Indeed, even General David Petraeus, head of U.S. Central Command, wrote in a secret assessment on May 27, 2009: "Anti-U.S. sentiment has already been increasing in Pakistan... especially in regard to cross-border and reported drone strikes, which Pakistanis perceive to cause unacceptable civilian casualties

What happens next is the $64 million question. Most Pakistani experts dismiss any suggestion that the Taliban has widespread support in their country, but it must be remembered that the Khmer Rouge was a fringe group with no more than 4,000 fighters at the time that Operation Breakfast (bombing of Cambodia) began.

And if Cambodia's history is any guide to the future, the drone strikes do not have to create a groundswell for revolution. They only have to begin to destabilize Pakistan.....A few charismatic intellectuals like Khmer Rouge leader Pol Pot always have the possibility of taking it from there, rallying angry and unemployed youth to create an infrastructure for disruptive change.

What threw Cambodia's fragile government into serious disarray ....was the devastating spillover of Nixon's war in Vietnam into Cambodia's border regions. It finally brought the Khmer Rouge to power.

Pakistan 2010, with its enormous modern military and industrialized base, is hardly impoverished Cambodia 1969.  Nonetheless, in that now ancient history lies both a potential analogy and a cautionary tale.  Beware secret air wars that promise success and yet wreak havoc in lands that are not even enemy nations.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:09:49 PM EST
Cambodia was going to go through a post-colonial power vacuum period of less than ideal government either way - the bombing campaign (probably) ensured that the most radical of the communist contenders won out (and there were others).

Destabilizing any country promotes radicalized leaders, but the qualifier in the last paragraph of your quoted piece is the question mark. Have we seen an industrial state devolve as Pakistan would if the Taliban took over? (No "USA" jokes please.)

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 04:37:30 PM EST
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I think he'd probably say that broad swathes of pakistan are not remotely industrialized, yet these areas could provide the insurgency that would create the power vacuum the Taliban could exploit.

I don't think he's saying there's a straight line from drones to taliban takeover, but I believe he's making a credible case that it's entirely possible.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 05:10:53 PM EST
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I like to get all these different prices, lol

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:42:03 PM EST
I'd get a better filter

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:43:16 PM EST
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this is caught by the filters (that's why it's green). I just look regularly at my spam files in case something gets dumped there - which does happen once in a while as I often get emails from people who have never written to me before. I just noticed the pattern of slightly different price reduction numbers and found it amusing.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:59:19 PM EST
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"Valued customer", huh?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:54:09 PM EST
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Packing for LAX San Diego.  windpower finance & investment conf, where i'm a guest.  then weekend in LaLa, perhaps Mardi Gras at Farmer's Market.  beach hotel, should be soothing.  will i really get it all done before leaving here for 6AM flight?  

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 03:46:24 PM EST
Have fun. there's a good chilli shop in the Farmer's market just off Wilshire. If I could remember the name of the chilli mustard I'd order some from you

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 04:43:57 PM EST
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And the state and local governments are running out of money for snow clearing.

Awesome.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 04:32:03 PM EST
Well, they could do what they do in the UK. Not buy any of the kit in the first place and then shrug helplessly while saying " Waddaya expect ?"

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 05:00:44 PM EST
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I could live with that, assuming they can still get food to the stores.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 05:02:50 PM EST
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More precisely: "You wanted low local taxation, waddya expect?"
by Sassafras on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 05:55:56 PM EST
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That happens in Minnesota too when the winter is significantly worse than usual. The media makes a stink over it, the state takes money out of the general fund to cover it, then everyone forgets about it.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Feb 8th, 2010 at 07:16:34 PM EST
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