Mercantilism Rules, OK?

by afew
Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 10:38:32 AM EST

Posted by Melanchthon in the Salon:

FT.com / Columnists / Martin Wolf - China and Germany unite to impose global deflation

China and Germany are, of course, very different from each other. Yet, for all their differences, these countries share some characteristics: they are the largest exporters of manufactures, with China now ahead of Germany; they have massive surpluses of saving over investment; and they have huge trade surpluses. (See charts.)

Both also believe that their customers should keep buying, but stop irresponsible borrowing. Since their surpluses entail others' deficits, this position is incoherent. Surplus countries have to finance those in deficit. If the stock of debt becomes too big, the debtors will default. If so, the vaunted "savings" of surplus countries will prove to have been illusory: vendor finance becomes, after the fact, open export subsidies.

I am beginning to wonder whether the open global economy is going to survive this crisis.

To which Migeru responds:

I am beginning to wonder whether the Euro will survive Germany's idiocy.

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There's a macro-economic argument there from Wolf that seems fairly solid (though contrary opinions welcome).

And there's a political view: what use is mercantilism if it consists in seeing your customers as the opposition, and clubbing them to their knees? (Your mileage may vary there too).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 10:45:22 AM EST
what use is mercantilism if it consists in seeing your customers as the opposition, and clubbing them to their knees?

How is that compatible with the political values of the European Union? Are the rest of the EU member states Germany's opposition, to be clubbed to their knees?

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 10:51:17 AM EST
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That's the European part of my question.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:22:10 AM EST
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Well, it worked for the British Empire, for a little while at any rate.
by Zwackus on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 05:30:19 PM EST
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To which I responded (with a correction):

The Germans would have to be damn fools to go back to the costs and hassles of cross-currency activity.  If nothing else, their food prices would rise as there is no chance in hell - AFAIK - that the Danes and Poles would prefer the DM over the Euro, implying the German consumer would end-up paying for the costs of cross-currency transactions for both the importing and exporting companies.  

Politically, European stability, by that I mean "not shooting each other," stems from the Germany/French Post WW2 alliance.  Germany withdrawing from the Euro would certainly cause 'tensions' in that alliance and, to an extent I cannot comment on, put that alliance in doubt.  

Merkel & her band like to pretend they are oh so fiscally responsible but it's been demonstrated elsewhere on ET that's a lot of malarkey.

All of which leads me to suspect Merkel & Co. are playing some kind of Game.  What Game and Who it is directed to/at are questions I defer to those who have greater insight.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:16:57 AM EST
All of which leads me to suspect Merkel & Co. are playing some kind of Game.

You may be giving them too much credit. Maybe they don't understand what they're doing, and their macroeconomic policy is based on a number of nice-sounding but incompatible soundbites they picked up somewhere.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:31:07 AM EST
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I think this is a key point... in particular there's no recognition of the seriousness of the global recession... German leaders are talking as though all the economic trauma is over already... as though interest rates are not near the zero-bound across the world.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:37:56 PM EST
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Communication/ soundbites / leaks from Germany have consisted for over a month now in back-and-forth "they're secretly planning to bail Greece out" / "they have no intention whatsoever of doing so", "rather the Greeks or other Club Meds be kicked out of the euro" or even "rather Germany should quit the euro".

The impression one gets is that no one in Germany is receptive to the idea that Germany benefits from the Union, the single market, the single currency, or that German policy over this decade in depressing wages and social budgets in order to gain competitive advantage and keep inflation and therefore ECB interest rates low, has had any conceivable ill effect on Eurozone partners (such as, for example, helping offer lower real interest rates to countries that might have been wiser to borrow less... and whose private and some public debt has gone into buying German consumer and capital goods).

If, behind this convincing display of obtuseness and arrogance, there is a secret Game Plan, it's devilishly well hidden. What might it be?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:33:45 AM EST
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I think there's a simple explanation: rightwingers don't do 'we'.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:38:02 AM EST
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Germany is acting like the English caricature of Germany.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:38:11 AM EST
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Maybe Migeru is right and I'm giving Merkel & Et.Al., GMBH, credit for more brains than they've got?

The key - in my estimation - conflict is NOT the Greek government bond foo-foo or even the euro per se; it's whether the Post War dollar hegemony is going to continue.  The euro is poised to be a acceptable alternative to the dollar.  Naturally those who depend on the dollar hegemony aren't happy which includes other financial and economic entities outside the US, inside the eurozone.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:38:33 PM EST
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politicians are scared to ask the German population, which is already, to a good extent, a victim of these policies, in the form of stagnant wages, and savings destroyed by stupid investments in crazy products by dumb banks they are bailing out as taxpayers, to pay again for Greece.

Germans are unhappy of their economic situation, but feel righteous about it (they took the stagnation on the chin rather than thriftily borrowing to keep on spending).

They would probably welcome increased wages, but have been brain-washed, for good and bad reasons, that this would be a dangerous thing to do (bring back inflation, make them less competitive, cost jobs, etc...).

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:40:37 PM EST
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hey, where did the Keynes quote go???
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:47:11 PM EST
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Gone With The Wind ;)
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:48:36 PM EST
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word punnery par excellence :-)
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:50:11 PM EST
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In the long run, all quotes are changed.

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 01:13:31 PM EST
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Sometimes I wish our American politicians were so scared of us American taxpayers who have similarly had no wage growth that they refused to bailout the bankers.

Ah, who am I kidding??!

by Upstate NY on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 04:35:47 PM EST
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they are scared enough  of using taxpayer money to help Greece, but not enough to not bail out the banks....

Propaganda works, if you get such results...

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 05:20:29 AM EST
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More idiocy here.

Appart from Merkel telling the German Parliament that countries which persistently break Eurozone budget rules should be expelled as long as their name is not Germany, Schäuble wants to use hedge funds allegedly bringing down the Euro exchange rate against the dollar as bogiemen to resurrect Stasi 2.0

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:19:35 AM EST
Heaven is where the Police are British, the Chefs are French, the Mechanics are German, the Lovers Italian and it's all organised by the Swiss.

Hell is where the Chefs are British, the mechanics are French, the lovers are Swiss, the Police are German and it's all organised by the Italians.

Close enough, anyway.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:21:46 PM EST
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Police are British? Arresting you if you try to take a picture of anything and so on?

Lovers are Italian? Berlusconi.

I think this joke needs to be updated.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:54:00 PM EST
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Nah, c'mon, that's too hard on the Italians.

Fair enough on the Brits and their police state, though.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:56:49 PM EST
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I tell the joke at conferences once in a while, because in offshore wind farm finance, the bankers are French, the engineers are British, the lawyers are German, the manufacturers are Danes, the food is provided by the Dutch and the regulators are eurocrats...

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 01:17:35 PM EST
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I agree with the consequence of massive vendor finance (i.e. Germans building BMWs, selling them to US citizens who got their money through home-equity loans which were securitized as MBS which were the basis of Lehman certificates (i.e. bonds) sold by German Sparkassen to German grandmas...). IE German Grandma gave Californian citizen money to buy the BMW in the hope to get the money paid back in the form of a 10 year bullet loan (the certificate). In the end, the Americans will own the BMW and the German Grandma will have lost her savings and everything is "fine" again...

However, what role does "Germany" (as in the German government) really play in this? Did the German government pass laws forcing Germans to build good cars and save money and not spend it all and get all indebted? No! That is what is, IMHO, missing in this whole discussion. The Chinese government greatly influences the economy, but what specifically does "Germany" do or rather what did "Germany" do? Can someone please explain??? Thanks!

by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:22:31 AM EST
However, what role does "Germany" (as in the German government) really play in this?

Low taxes, low social transfers, stagnant wages, running a budget deficit in good times, keeping gross public debt above 60% every year since 2001.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:26:55 AM EST
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low taxes and low social transfers? I beg to differ if I look at my paycheck.

stagnant wages - thats the unions and the employers association, NOT the government

running a budget deficit - what does that have to do with current account?

by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:48:49 AM EST
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Current account balance plus government budget deficit equals private sector surplus.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:57:25 AM EST
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sorry, which way does the whole cause and effect go (if you're already simplifying very complex processes)?
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:00:41 PM EST
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if you're already simplifying very complex processes

I'm just considering macroeconomic aggregates. You're the one who turned the macroeconomic aggregates into a presumably easier to understand metaphor about German grannies lending Californias the money to buy BMWs.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:07:11 PM EST
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ok, sorry, you win :-) Still, I think the cause and effect (ie the process) needs to be looked at, not just the static end-product...
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:15:02 PM EST
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crankykarsten
which way does the whole cause and effect go

See this and thisthis comment on ET and/or thisthis and thisthis linked articles by Robert Parenteau and Yves Smith.


As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 02:15:45 PM EST
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I think you'd agree your personal salary is anecdotal?

But:

From DIW (German Economic Institute) Weekly Report, October 2009 (pdf), "Real Wages in Germany: Numerous Years of Decline".

The line that the government has nothing to do with this, that it's just the unions and bosses, is the line being pushed right now by the German government. Yet there is no doubt that wage "restraint" is part of a deliberate policy beginning in the early '00s under Schröder. One of the obvious ways a government can create an economic environment in which unions are weakened in pay negotiations is to reduce social security safety nets (unemployment benefits, etc), so that workers are willing to accept tougher conditions rather than lose their jobs, and this is the series of programmes associated with the name Hartz.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:00:57 PM EST
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The line that the government has nothing to do with this, that it's just the unions and bosses, is the line being pushed right now by the German government. Yet there is no doubt that wage "restraint" is part of a deliberate policy beginning in the early '00s under Schröder.

In addition, the German social model has traditionally involved a political consensus involving the employers, unions and the government. To deny that now is disingenuous or market-worshipping ignorance.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:03:45 PM EST
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I'm afraid I don't fully understand the graph, but I would say the gross wages went upt from 1991-2007, but net wages barely moved, therefore underpinning my point that taxes and social transfers (from income from emplyoment!) actually increased!
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:07:26 PM EST
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I'm afraid I don't fully understand the graph

Try this: real wages (whether gross or net or 'total compensation') peaked in 2003, so they have not kept up with GDP growth.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:12:34 PM EST
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Forget about the US in connection with Germany. Half of Germany's exports are to the rest of the EU. There, Germany benefits from the single market, can use Euro membership to effectively keep their currency undervalued with respect to what the DM would have done had it not been for the Euro. In addition, German capital enjoyed access to new markets where they could buy assets cheaply when the EU expanded in 2004, while at the same time claiming that the had an economic crisis going on at home and they could not allow the Eastern Europeans to work in Germany after 2006 (this was at the peak of the business cycle!).  

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:47:09 AM EST
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Migeru:
Half of Germany's exports are to the rest of the EU

Two-thirds.

43-44% to the Eurozone.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:53:06 AM EST
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The last third is the most important one.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 07:38:45 AM EST
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Because the rest of the world can indefinitely absorb the exports of mercantilist countries? That's what this thread is about.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 05:18:53 PM EST
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What is the point of Mecantilism? To own your trading partners or to pwn them?

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 21st, 2010 at 06:42:13 AM EST
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ok with your remark that taking away the others option to devalue by introducing the EUR. That's true. However, why did other countries always have to devalue against the DM?

German capital was able to move just like any other capital. And I would assume that the capital in another country could possible be positive for that country current account.

Eastern Europeans working in Germany. OK, there were some restrictions but a LOT of stuff on the construction market (housing, streets) is done on the black market. What the net effect of that is, I don't know...

by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:53:59 AM EST
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However, why did other countries always have to devalue against the DM?

Because German monetary policy has a deflationary bias, and because German industrial policy is export-driven.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:59:52 AM EST
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what German industrial policy ?
by crankykarsten (cranky (where?) gmx dot organisation) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:09:21 PM EST
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Increasing competitiveness of German industries is hardly that novel a policy goal.
Add to that pressure on the low-wage sector and VAT increases that both decrease domestic purchasing power and of course imports and you end up with unsustainable large trade surpluses.

Wait this is important. Someone is wrong on the Internet.
by generic on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:47:24 PM EST
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Let's dissect the German situation...

  1. they run a trade surplus
  2. they run a budget deficit
  3. they go to unconstitutional lengths to cut down their welfare state and they keep real wages stagnant

Who is benefitting from this? Not the government, not the people. Just the business owners.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:24:48 AM EST
Not most business owners, I'd imagine.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:28:10 AM EST
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Not the ones that cater to the domestic demand, that's for sure.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:32:18 AM EST
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Too lengthy:

(1) Germany believes in magic ponies.
(2) Germany attempts to force other eurozone members into believing in magic ponies.

I think that pretty much covers it, no?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:34:07 AM EST
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"Magic ponies will appear before Greece competes with German industry inside the span of 10 years."

I believe that was uttered before Greece entered the Eurozone.

by Upstate NY on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 04:39:46 PM EST
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Why are the Germans doing this?

Might it have something to do with coming into competition with exporters (e.g. China) who are able to achieve a competitive advantage by shortchanging workers and the environment?  So that the only way to compete is to adopt those rules, creating a race to the bottom?

Might it be that the Western financiers who have poured investment into China are aware of this?  That what motivates their move to China is the ability to bring products to market in the West that legal and social constraints would make impossible to be produced in the West (in terms of pollution, if not just worker's wages and conditions of employment?)

So that in essence, the point of this exercise isn't natural competitive advantage, but instead the destruction of the laws and regulations that "humanized" the market in the Western economies?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:40:35 AM EST
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Wage and regulatory arbitrage, as they say. I suspect that the same dynamic is at work in Germany as was at work in the USA. A few at the top of the business world in each country understood that they could continue to make money only or most readily by going down this path. From there it is an easy step for them to conclude that their profitability was crucial to the entire economy and that for the economy to survive, sacrifices were necessary. It is relatively easy for them to convince conservative politicians of this, as they believe it anyway. CEOs of mass media aspire to being "serious people", which is most easily accomplished by currying the support and patronage of business leaders, so they produce news story after news story that writes this general idea into the brains of the average voter. Turn this self serving rationalization into conventional wisdom and even left wing politicians will be unable to deny its reality without seeming "un-serious" and will have to endorse the CW and ally themselves with the most accessible and politically sympathetic members of the business community, as with Clinton and Blair, and here we are.

The processes varied between the US and UK on the one hand and Germany on the other. The Anglo world went with rent extraction by the financial sector by any means possible, including the cannibalization and destruction of most of their own industrial base in the interest of the financial sector and large retailers. Germany elected to hold on to manufacturing by going for high priced items and depressing wages.

Through this process it is likely that relatively few people really understood what was happening, or if they grasped that there was a problem, such as Ross Perot did, they failed to get the details correct and were not able to prevail and change the CW. As always, the politicians' need for money clouded their understanding.

A common approach would still work for China, if not Germany. Impute a value to acceptable standards of social and environmental services and costs, put a tariff equal to those costs on goods from countries that do not meet those standards. Rebate that tariff to those countries only for purposes that serve those ends. But, practically, the financial sectors of the US, UK, and the financial-industrial hegemons in Germany would have to be brought to heel and wealth distribution trends would have to be reversed for these policies to work.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 01:12:47 PM EST
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A common approach would still work for China, if not Germany. Impute a value to acceptable standards of social and environmental services and costs, put a tariff equal to those costs on goods from countries that do not meet those standards. Rebate that tariff to those countries only for purposes that serve those ends. But, practically, the financial sectors of the US, UK, and the financial-industrial hegemons in Germany would have to be brought to heel and wealth distribution trends would have to be reversed for these policies to work.

Great minds think alike.  This is the way that I think it best to go to.  By placing a tax on the conditions of production, you avoid the issue of disparate treatment solely on the basis of country of origin.  The issue is the conditions of production, regardless of country.

A lot of the competitive advantage of the Chinese comes from externalizing costs, this would bring those back in.  

What we need is either a multilateral system that creates a common, basic standard.  Or a bilateral system that allows countries to have a tax that removes the advantage created by firms not being forced to produce products under conditions that reflect the legal regime where they are sold.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 01:22:44 PM EST
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Given the nature of Chimerica it may be possible for the USA to do this unilaterally to great effect. Who else can consume what China needs to produce? But to do this may require bringing down Wall Street's power. But I don't know. Perhaps Wall Street figures they have already profited as much as they can from sending all the manufacturing to China and would be willing to make money on bringing it back.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 01:34:58 PM EST
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If so, the vaunted "savings" of surplus countries will prove to have been illusory: vendor finance becomes, after the fact, open export subsidies.

That line is worth a thousand words.

Think about it. In a commonsense world, trade requires reciprocation. But, in a multilateral world in which money is treated as a commodity, that disappears. The problem is that the value of money depends upon its ability to be exchanged for items of actual use value. So when the stock of money increases (through "vendor financing") against the stock of items of use value, the real value of money falls.

Now the trick of "vendor financing" is that allows this inflation to be obscured, because it is the source of drops in the price of exported items.  But, in the end, if buyers default, that vendor financing becomes nothing more than export subsidies.  

What the buying states give the exporters in exchange for goods is nothing more than promises, e.g. money.  So that the principal export business of the buying states is making money.  And the way that they do that?  The expansion of the financial sector against the real economy.

Eventually that has to hit a wall, and in the end that means the exporting states end up without their cash surpluses (but have developed the industrial base to make items of value) and the buying states get the goods they bought for "free" (but really at the harsh cost of the destruction of their industrial bases.)

The system is brought into equilibrium.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:35:05 AM EST
I am pleased that Melanchthon, a European, put up the Martin Wolf article. I had seen Yves' post on the subject but hesitated to post that. A lot of the problem is that the leaders of both Germany and China have publicly framed criticism of their economic policies in nationalist terms, in the process stirring up domestic nationalist sentiment in support of these policies. The chief beneficiaries of an inequitable system are always the last to accept that it is inequitable--or unworkable. As Yves said:
This battle of wills is rooted on every front in domestic politics, plus a collective inability to recognize that our current version of globalization is no longer workable. But we appear likely to test the current system to destruction rather than come up with less drastic ways out.

Edward Harrison, who was a national security analysts before he turned to economics, discusses this in a recent article in Credit Writedowns:

Can external pressure precipitate change in a command economy like China?

....

So, as Americans look to threaten to punish China for China's protectionist exchange rate policy, we should all understand that these threats will have no effect.  The Chinese will not do anything because of threats. More likely, they will dig in their heels. The Telegraph's Liam Halligan has it right when he says:

    When it comes to China, the West needs to face the truth. The more America calls for China to revalue the longer Beijing will take to do it. Chinese politicians are as unlikely to buckle in the face of Western pressure as their Western counterparts would be given a tongue-lashing from Beijing.

    China's government is petrified of social unrest. Given the importance of the export sector for continued high growth and jobs, this again makes it impossible to Beijing to be seen yielding to pain imposed by the West.

What is more likely to occur is that American politicians, pressured by the upcoming mid-term elections, will create binding legislation to retaliate against China for their undervalued currency. China will not budge - in part out of pride and in part out of need to prevent a hard landing. As a result, the binding legislation will become operative and a trade war will ensue.

For more on how a trade war would affect the global economy read Michael Pettis' piece How will an RMB revaluation affect China, the US, and the world?. He notes that surplus countries like China have the most to lose and feels that the short-term losses for the U.S. will be less. I agree that surplus nations have the most to lose. But I disagree about the short-term effects on the United States; any economic shock to the United States will tip into a double dip recession, precipitating higher unemployment, a renewed meltdown in the financial sector and the attendant deleveraging. That is very bearish for equities, I should add. Moreover, the Chinese would make their UN Security Council veto work and stymie any efforts the U.S. makes toward controlling Iran. I see a lot more risk in a Chinese trade war for the United States than Pettis.

This is what I have labeled Murder-Suicide in Chimerica. But, I believe this could be where we are headed -  now more than ever.



As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 11:45:15 AM EST
Remember that Bundesbank chief Axel Weber is the front-runner to succeed Trichet in the ECB 18 months from now.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:01:44 PM EST
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Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:05:53 PM EST
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The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:09:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
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Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 12:12:27 PM EST
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AT LONG LAST I think I finally understand what Keynes was talking about in The Economic Consequences of the Peace when he said that the reparations being imposed on Germany would destroy the manufacturing bases of the recipient countries. That is the cost of "free" goods or cash from abroad, how ever they are obtained. This is most clearly shown by the cost of cheap goods from China.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer at eurotrib.com) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 01:47:55 PM EST
This post on Seeking Alpha is vaguely relevant.

China, Iran and Fair Trade -- Seeking Alpha

China looks to be the next hurdle on President Obama's busy schedule.

Concerns about China started the market lower this week, before the Fed relief rally eventually stymied the decline Tuesday. The China threat is no surprise to "The Greek," though, as we have been warning about this pending trouble for some time now. Earlier this year we relayed these thoughts in our article entitled "Obama's Financial Regulation...":

My response...

China, Iran and Fair Trade -- Seeking Alpha

It's the Energy, Stupid.

For 100 years the primary aim of US foreign policy has been energy security. Why should we think China is different? It differs only in its methods.The Chinese have always been inward-looking and have despised foreigners: the Chinese Wall indicates the lengths they will go to secure their borders from the barbarians.

In my view a seminal moment in world history - I call it a 'Suez Moment', analogous to the way the US pulled the economic plug on the British Empire - was in or around early 2007 in Iraq.

When I read in the FT in June 2007...

lists.econ.utah.edu/pi...

...that the Chinese had revived a Saddam era contract I knew that the world had changed. That, for me, marked the end of the US empire.

Anyone who thinks that Iran will be attacked by the US or the Israelis does not understand the new bipolar China/US relationship. The Red Line for China is anything that puts their energy supplies at risk - attacking Iran would do just that, in Spades - End of Story.

Otherwise, the Chinese are quite happy to let the US expend thousands of lives and hundreds of billions of dollars to keep the world safe for their mercantile state capitalism. But in truth, both sides know that in a world of finite resources this is not sustainable even in the medium term. They are like two drunks holding each other up.

As for Iran, I've probably had more high level contacts there than most in the last couple of years, including the OPEC rep; heads of state corporations (including NIOC, which equates to Gazprom in terms of importance); leading parliamentarians and so on.

They actually think the US sanctions policy is either dumb or insane. In the aftermath of the Lehman meltdown they were laughing at the fact that US financial sanctions had the perverse side-effect of insulating Iran's economy from contagion.

The last time I was there they couldn't believe that the US was pushing for gasoline sanctions which would enable them to put up gasoline prices, cut their huge subsidies, and blame the Great Satan for it. It would also make fortunes for the IRGC and Bonyads who have a lock on contraband - but they didn't mention that.

Counterintuitively, the best strategy the US could follow is to pour investment into Iran. 70% of Iranians are under 30 and most of them want the lifestyles you have. The current regime is increasingly an oligarchy rather than a theocracy, and is reminiscent of the Russian post-Communist phase. But I doubt whether they are capable of keeping control of a Knowledge economy.


Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 03:17:14 PM EST
There is a very simple reasoning which shows the absurdity of mercantilism as a dogma. I call it Reductio ad Orbem (or ad Mundum) :

If all the countries in the world were to become net exporters, to whom would we export? The Klingons?

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Thu Mar 18th, 2010 at 07:31:40 PM EST
In game theory terms, mercantilism is "rational but not superrational".

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 12:48:55 AM EST
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A great summary of what I was trying to diary about recently.

My follow on question: what is a good economic strategy for prosperity that doesn't rely on net exports?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 07:11:10 AM EST
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