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LQD: Gays blamed for Srebrenica Massacre

by Frank Schnittger Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 10:44:41 AM EST

Gays blamed for Srebrenica defeat

Dutch government officials reacted angrily today to claims by a retired US general that Dutch forces were overrun in Srebrenica in 1995 in part because of the presence of gay soldiers.

At a US congressional hearing yesterday on allowing gay soldiers to serve openly in the military, former Supreme Allied commander John Sheehan said there was a link between having homosexuals in the Dutch forces and the massacre at Srebrenica.

I wonder which Dutch leaders told General Sheehan that gays in the military were at fault? Is this also his explanation for why the Dutch are pulling out of Afghanistan to be followed by various other Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys? No doubt the ending of the Don't Ask Don't Tell policy in the US Military will result in defeat in the War Against Islam Terror and the end of the Roman US empire as well. The future of Christendom is at stake!


Bosnian Serb forces overran lightly-armed Dutch soldiers in the United Nations-designated enclave of Srebrenica in July 1995 and subsequently massacred more than 7,000 Muslim men and boys.

Reports on the hearing said Mr Sheehan blamed a post-Cold War effort by European nations to "socialise" their forces by, among other things, letting gays serve.

"That led to a force that was ill-equipped to go to war. The case in point that I'm referring to is when the Dutch were required to defend Srebrenica against the Serbs," Mr Sheehan said.

"The battalion was under-strength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them."

Carl Levin, chairman of the US Senate's Armed Services Committee, asked: "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it was because there were gay soldiers there?"

"Yes, they did. They included that as part of the problem," Mr Sheehan said, according to a webcast on the website of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

The Dutch Defence Ministry issued a statement calling Mr Sheehan's claims "absolute nonsense" and adding that gay Dutch soldiers routinely co-operate with the US military in the Nato mission in Afghanistan.

Renee Jones-Bos, the Dutch ambassador to the United States, said in a statement, "I couldn't disagree more" with Mr Sheehan, adding there was no evidence of his claims in the extensive record of research on Srebrenica.

Dutch press agency ANP quoted the head of the military union AFMP, Wim van den Burg, as saying Sheehan's comments were "ridiculous" and "out of the realm of fiction".

The events in Srebrenica remain a sensitive subject in The Netherlands, where a six-year investigation into the massacre led to the government's fall in 2002.

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That anything former Supreme Allied commander John Sheehan says about anything is going to be bigoted rubbish.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 11:39:00 AM EST
I'm not sure that many Europeans understand this but there is a fundamentalist Christian apocalyptic cabal at the highest ranks of the American military, and it's not a secret. See these statements through that lens. The Dutch could save time and just recognize that.
by Upstate NY on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 12:27:38 PM EST
Recognizing that is one thing; drawing the consequences is another; and having the cojones to move on them is yet another...  (not holding my breath)
by Bernard on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 01:47:09 PM EST
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Move on it how?

This is the guy's deranged opinion.

Are you saying America should institute psychological tests for soldiers?

by Upstate NY on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 02:37:16 PM EST
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Nope; I was thinking of: moving out of NATO, Afghanistan and other US Empire delusional adventures.

Oh, and I agree that psychological tests for soldiers would do wonders to reduce the size of the US military.

by Bernard on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 04:06:44 PM EST
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What, and increase the unemployment rate?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 04:34:58 PM EST
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Well, that would be a bit of a pickle... Oh well, throw'em in jail; this oughta do it... (the other Great American Unemployment Abatement Institution)
by Bernard on Sat Mar 20th, 2010 at 04:47:54 AM EST
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We do have psychological tests for soldiers, specifically the MMPI (which most shrinks consider outdated).

I took it as well as my best friend, sleep deprived at 2 AM in the morning.  I mentioned my best friend because one of the questions was "do you like mannish women?".  He, feeling a little froggy, wrote in the margin instead of filling in the yes/no bubble, wrote, "I don't know, I've never been to the country of Mannish".  I found the reply hilarious, but he was called in to speak with the shrink about it for about two hours.

On a more serious note, I will say that Timothy McVeigh, the Oklahoma City bomber, failed the MMPI and was therefore drummed out of the US Army Special Forces program.  I was already in SF at Ft. Bragg in 7th Group and did a couple of weeks support duty at the JFKSWCS selection program (the Special Forces selection program is based off of the Australian SAS and British Para selection programs - the US Army Delta Force selection program is based off of the British SAS selection process) at the time but didn't know about that until after the OKC bombing.

If he was allowed to complete SF training, the damage could have been much worse than it was.

So yes, the US military does rely on psych tests for its elite troopers, but it is too expensive for simple basic training like every other country.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 06:00:12 AM EST
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I mentioned my best friend because one of the questions was "do you like mannish women?".  He, feeling a little froggy, wrote in the margin instead of filling in the yes/no bubble, wrote, "I don't know, I've never been to the country of Mannish".  I found the reply hilarious, but he was called in to speak with the shrink about it for about two hours.

Reminds me of how the physicist Richard Feynman was found psychologically unfit for military service in WWII...

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 06:30:56 AM EST
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Didnt think it was till after the war (As he was busy with the bomb)

Myspance/Richard Feynman-    
Uncle Sam Doesn't Need You!

After the war the army was scraping the bottom of the barrel to get the guys for the occupation forces in Germany. Up until then the army deferred people for some reason other than physical first (I was deferred because I was working on the bomb), but now they reversed that and gave everybody a physical first.

   That summer I was working for Hans Bethe at General Electric in Schenectady, New York, and I remember that I had to go some distance-I think it was to Albany - to take the physical.

   I get to the draft place, and I'm handed a lot of forms to fill out, and then I start going around to all these different booths. They check your vision at one, your hearing at another, they take your blood sample at another, and so forth.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Mar 24th, 2010 at 06:56:12 AM EST
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Does this not in part explain the European reluctance to engage in the war on Terror - the devout Tony Blair and the representatives of Conservative Catholic Spain and Italy not-withstanding - and the fall now of two Dutch Governments trying to implement such policies in the more secular Netherlands?

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 01:56:41 PM EST
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Yes, but it doesn't explain why the U.S. wants armies with so many gays in them to engage in this war.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 02:07:01 PM EST
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The only good gay is a dead gay?  Hey - some of them yurpian armies even allow soldiers to have long hair - which proves their really only hippies in drag...

notes from no w here
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Mar 19th, 2010 at 02:26:19 PM EST
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There was some blogging about it and it sounded like a limited set of fanatics, but didn't seem it could be an outspoken group at this level, so it's really hard to gauge.  How widespread is it?  Is it related to the big fundie groups, the Brownback roomies, bibles for soldiers and all that?  

Religious people should count on their idol, not their weapons...

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 at 05:25:52 PM EST
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Some of these comments could use the old
<snark> guards TM
and all that around them, couldn't they?  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Tue Mar 23rd, 2010 at 05:12:59 PM EST


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