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LQD: Printing Money.....and Zimbabwe

by ChrisCook Fri Mar 26th, 2010 at 05:21:22 PM EST

This blog post gives an interesting counter-view to the prevailing Keynesian and Monetary Orthodoxy which apparently goes by the name of Modern Monetary Theory (MMT).

What If the Government Just Prints Money?

As Congress gets set in the near future to consider raising the debt ceiling yet again, my fellow blogger L. Randall Wray creatively suggests not raising the debt ceiling but instead having the Treasury continue spending as it always does: by simply crediting bank accounts. As he puts it:

The anti-deficit mania in Washington is getting crazier by the day. So here is what I propose: let's support Senator Bayh's proposal to "just say no" to raising the debt ceiling. Once the federal debt reaches $12.1 trillion, the Treasury would be prohibited from selling any more bonds. Treasury would continue to spend by crediting bank accounts of recipients, and reserve accounts of their banks. Banks would offer excess reserves in overnight markets, but would find no takers--hence would have to be content holding reserves and earning whatever rate the Fed wants to pay. But as Chairman Bernanke told Congress, this is no problem because the Fed spends simply by crediting bank accounts.

This would allow Senator Bayh and other deficit warriors to stop worrying about Treasury debt and move on to something important like the loss of millions of jobs.

Wray's proposal is based upon modern monetary theory (MMT) that is the focus of this blog and those by Bill Mitchell, Warren Mosler, and Winterspeak. Of course, given the lack of understanding of basic reserve accounting at the heart of MMT and Wray's proposal on the part of the public, the financial press, and the vast majority of economists, one can already anticipate the outpouring of criticism suggesting that such a proposal amounts to "printing money" and thereby destroying the value of the currency. Some probably will even argue that this would put the US on the road to a fate much like Zimbabwe's (for a good analysis of what's actually happening in Zimbabwe, see here).


The MMT analysis appears to be along the same lines as my amateur brand of Coarse or Reality-based Economics, and to recognise, as Henry Liu points out, that credit and debt are mirror images and that the money which is emitted by credit intermediaries in our deficit-based system is in fact a credit instrument, rather than a debt instrument.

The models of almost the entire economics profession are based on the false premise that it is debt which is being monetised. It is in fact credit that is being monetised, and this completely wrecks their assumptions.

My way of explaining the difference is to say that an undated Debt instrument is redeemable at the option of the provider of the finance, as anyone with a bank overdraft will know; while an undated Credit instrument (quasi-equity) such as QE, or notes and coin - which are essentially anonymously held QE (akin to bearer shares) - are redeemable/retirable at the option of the user of the finance.

But there is another nugget in the blog, in the link to a fascinating blog post on the subject of Zimbabwean inflation, which is always trotted out to illustrate the horrors of monetary and fiscal incontinence.

billy blog » Blog Archive » Zimbabwe for hyperventilators 101

Zimbabwe is the new Weimar Republic. Not! Zimbabwe is the front-line evidence that shows that government deficits will generate hyper-inflation. Not! Zimbabwe is the demonstration of the folly of a fiat monetary system. Not! Zimbabwe is an African country with a dysfunctional government. Yes!

The case made here is quite simply that the Zimbabwean inflationary problem was due to the complete collapse of the productive capacity of Zimbabwean land, made doubly lethal by the fact that it is in large part an agrarian economy.

Now, this case may be thought of as a self evident truism, of course, but it is entirely consistent with my view that far and away the greater part of money in existence today is actually based upon the use value of location/land, and that the solution to the credit crunch is therefore to monetise land rental value in a new way.

When you so comprehensively mismanage the supply side of your economy as the Zimbabweans did the only way to avoid inflation is to severely contract real spending to match the new lower capacity. More people would have starved and died than already have if the Government had have cut back that severely.

But this disaster has nothing much to do with budget deficits as a means to ensure high levels of employment in a growing economy (where capacity grows over time) where the non-government sector also desires to save. A private sector investment boom would have caused the same outcome both in inflation and the political problems of fighting it. So will the hyperventilators also say we should not have net private investment?

The historical context is important to understand because it created the political circumstances which have made the hyperinflation inevitable. But these historical vestiges from the colonial white-rule bear very little relevance to the situation that a modern sophisticated fiat monetary system will face.

Conclusion

So hyperventilate as you like but Zimbabwe does not make a case against the use of continuous budget deficits in defence of full employment.

Bad Governments will wreck any economy if they want to.

A wise government using the fiscal capacity provided to it by a fiat monetary system can engender full employment and equity yet also sustain price stability.

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The models of almost the entire economics profession are based on the false premise that it is debt which is being monetised. It is in fact credit that is being monetised, and this completely wrecks their assumptions.

If it is true that debt and credit are "mirror images," what difference does it make to insist credit not debt is monetised, i.e. represented by currency?

Moreover, if it is true, credit is monetised, why bother selling debentures (bonds)? Treasury can flip a switch and roll the presses, literally, then as some suggest, solve the putative problem of inflation by taxing incontinence out of existence.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 11:08:56 AM EST
Debt and credit are not mirror images ... they are different camera angles of the same thing. Debt is not credit in the mirror ... debt is what the other party called credit, and credit is what the other party called debt.

The problem is trying to use language to describe intrinsic features of physical items to discuss "things" that are rather collections of contractual rights and obligations.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 11:16:53 AM EST
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as Henry Liu points out, that credit and debt are mirror images

And I asked, what difference does it make to insist credit is monetised? Some explanation was given

and that the money which is emitted by credit intermediaries in our deficit-based system is in fact a credit instrument, rather than a debt instrument.

that I found unsatisfactory. It is glib. I understand, currency representing credit in the sense that specie is a fungible store of value, a unit of measurement.

For the sake of sanity though, why mix metaphors? Restate the relationship of a government treasury to a central bank as parties to a contract for the purpose of producing currency (new) --OR-- distributing currency (surplus), if one likes. I should think then, the bond is the contract, reproduced for each instance of currency demanded by the borrower, supplied by the lender. The currency represents security notes.

The concept is not novel.

A question remains. Why bother selling debentures?

Why contract with a central bank ("intermediaries")?

That question is not novel either.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 11:53:14 AM EST
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On this:
that I found unsatisfactory. It is glib.
... that would be because it is glib and unsatisfactory. That is, after all, Henry Liu, not Modern Monetary Theory.

I should think then, the bond is the contract, reproduced for each instance of currency demanded by the borrower, supplied by the lender.

A question remains. Why bother selling debentures?

The bond is just a financial instrument that allows the pool of reserves on account and in bearer-notes to be regulated on a day by day basis. The purpose of the Fed selling bonds is to drain reserves out of the system and the purpose of buying bonds is to inject reserves into the system.

Any bonds created over and above the amount required for those operations are pure kabuki theater ... selling the freshly created bonds in the open market and then immediately buying them back to maintain the target cash rate is quite obviously pointless posturing, pretending that the monopoly issuer of a financial liability has to "borrow" that liability from someone else.

Why have the Treasury write out those bonds to be held by a parastatal Central Bank? Historically, because in early modern Europe, relying on exports of American silver to balance trade with South and East Asia, as in all developing economies the international currency of the wealthier economies was something to be dedicated to trade with the wealthier economies, with other assets used to trade among and within the developing economies themselves.

The system of draining the Hapsburg Empire of its Spanish Silver to be used to buy into the lucrative carrying trade in East and Southeast Asia relied on an international banking system, and so European monarchies had to interface between domestic and international currencies by using that international banking system.

So it started out with actually writing out debt contracts and then the intrinsic instability of an unregulated free market monetary system led to greater and greater regulation until it was finally worked out that operating the bank settlement system through some form of public monetary authority is required to avoid periodic banking system panics.

By the 1800's, the European economies had become as wealthy as the East Asian economies, and were growing more rapidly. By the turn of the previous century, there was no longer any reason to continue the act, but there was also no pressing reason to discontinue the act, either.

Since there is less institutional resistance to adopting and adapting existing institutions than to inventing new institutions from scratch, existing financial instruments were normally adopted and adapted to establish central monetary authorities, rather than new financial instruments invented from scratch.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 01:11:28 PM EST
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Why have the Treasury write out those bonds to be held by a parastatal Central Bank?

My guess is that this is to maintain the appearance of the necessity of the transaction, which does benefit private banks when the treasury sells into the private sector. And, after all, the Federal Reserve System is privately owned, anyway. Creating money this way seems to be purely a boondoggle for private banks, which is consistent with the ownership of the government.

Did it not facilitate the re-capitalization of the TBTFs by giving them money for 0.2% that they could lend against or invest in the stock market, etc.? The Treasury could have just given them the amount of money that they have made off the spread in Nov.'08, and had much the same effect, except that there would have been a much greater outcry at the unseemliness of the operation. In fact, the TARP program did give them over $350 billion, which they have paid off largely thanks to the profit they "earned" off of the spread. Meanwhile they are charging hapless credit card holders as much as 30% p.a. with the approval and even the encouragement and expectation of the Fed and Treasury. "Go forth and loot some more!"

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 02:51:26 PM EST
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... owned, but when a corporation operates under the directorship of an external board appointed by the President and confirmed by Congress, that is not a normal privately owned corporation.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 04:10:14 PM EST
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The 12 regional reserve banks are investor owned. The US government holds no secured interest in any of those banks or the FRB, which is ostensibly a non-profit organization, formed for the purpose of supervising "federal" reserve banks' asset management and sales of US treasury bonds. For the latter purpose, the FRB is an agent of the US Treasury. The US Treasury is an agent of the US Congress. The US Congress is the only department of the federal governement vested by the US Constitution to coin currency and appropriate, expropriate, or obligate revenue collected according to statutes enacted by that branch. In short, the FRB is a statutory contractor and severable. As such and in consideration of the fiduciary duties of agent, the Banking Act requires the executive authority to nominate and the Senate to confirm members of the FRB.

There is no other "normal" to speak of with respect to the relationship past or present of these entities to each other.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 05:01:18 PM EST
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The Federal Reserve banks are pro forma privately owned:
The 12 regional reserve banks are investor owned. The US government holds no secured interest in any of those banks or the FRB,

...

In short, the FRB is a statutory contractor and severable. As such and in consideration of the fiduciary duties of agent, the Banking Act requires the executive authority to nominate and the Senate to confirm members of the FRB.

... while the Federal Reserve System operates under the direct control of a board appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 05:09:22 PM EST
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... while the Federal Reserve System operates under the direct control of a board appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate.

....while the President and Senate are elected by the people with campaign contributions coming largely from the banks that the Federal Reserve System allegedly supervises--that being the essence of our current situation.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 05:48:55 PM EST
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Even if we regained control of the House and the White House, leaving Corporations only with their traditional majority in the Senate, without an organized movement to demand otherwise, the Board of Governors are normally selected within a frame of not upsetting Wall Street. That's part of what leads the appointed majority of the FOMC to run monetary policy to directly oppose the full employment policies that they are formally supposed to pursue.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 04:46:07 PM EST
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The first and largest obstacle to changing the policies of the Fed is the systematic mis-education of the public as to the possible range of policies. If people understand that a much better society for 99% of the people is possible if only we rein in the 1% the prospects for action would be considerably more favorable.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 12:37:03 PM EST
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Without an organized movement taking on the spreading of the information about the real policy possibilities, the corporate frame spread via the TV machine will naturally dominate political discourse in the US.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 01:00:30 PM EST
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Quite true. The task seems daunting, but the re-education can be cast as a message of hope and optimism, much like Henry George's message, or that of Hughie Long. Something that is understandable and that offers a path to a better world in the midst of chaos could have strong differential appeal over the old "you have to take the lesser of two evils" nostrums of Neo-Classical Economics.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 04:25:58 PM EST
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re: arbitrage
March 26 (Bloomberg) -- JPMorgan Chase & Co., Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. and UBS AG were among more than a dozen Wall Street firms involved in a conspiracy to pay below-market interest rates [below cost] to U.S. state and local governments on investments, according to documents filed in a U.S. Justice Department criminal antitrust case....

None of the firms or individuals named on the list has been charged with wrongdoing [yet]. The court records mark the first time these companies have been identified as co-conspirators. They provide the broadest look yet at alleged collusion in the $2.8 trillion municipal securities market that the government says delivered profits to Wall Street at taxpayers' expense....

The government's probe became public in 2006 when federal investigators raided CDR and two competitors and issued subpoenas to more than a dozen firms. The "co-conspirators" on the list released in court this week also included Wachovia Corp., which was purchased by San Francisco-based Wells Fargo & Co. in 2008. Elise Wilkinson, a Wells Fargo spokeswoman in Charlotte, North Carolina, didn't return a call today seeking comment.

October Indictments

The indictments released in October didn't identify any of the sellers of the investment contracts involved in the alleged conspiracy. They were identified only as Provider A and Provider B. They paid kickbacks to CDR after winning investment deals brokered by the firm, according to the indictments.  

Read more...

re: FRB banks,' i.e. primary dealers, reserves

March 27 (Bloomberg) -- Brian Sack, head of the markets group at the New York Fed, said the financial system can't operate well without leverage and signaled that he supports the return of a "properly" structured securitization market.

"Securitization is a powerful vehicle that should play an important role in the intermediation of credit in the economy," Sack said in a speech delivered by video conference from New York to an audience in Sydney. "We should also understand that a reduction in leverage to near zero in the financial system is not desirable."

except that Bernanke's on record planning to eliminate reserve requirements.

Read more...

Which definition of leverage do you prefer?
"leverage is an advantageous-condition of having a relatively small amount of cost [unsecured ZIRP] yield a relatively high level of returns."

or "1. The use of various financial instruments or borrowed capital, such as margin, to increase the potential return of an investment; 2. The amount of debt used to finance a firm's assets."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 04:28:03 PM EST
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what difference does it make to insist credit not debt is monetised, i.e. represented by currency?

Debt instruments are the monetization of credit.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 04:37:09 AM EST
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... was not "the Weimer Republic" of Faith-Based Monetary Theory either.

The hyperinflation of the Weimer Republic followed, as Keynes in part predicted in "The Economic Consequences of the Peace", from the collapse of the economies in Germany's former major export trade zone, combined with an increased structural dependency on imports with the French occupation of the Rhineland industries.

Combine that balance of payments position with a demand that the Weimer Republic hand over regular reparations payment, and it is quite like a badly governed African nation that has to pay the debts to the World Bank and other transnational corporations incurred with no expectation by the lending agencies that the result of the projects funded would be sufficient foreign exchange earnings to pay off the loans.

A dependent economy experiencing a meltdown of their currency in foreign exchange markets that has obligations denominated in foreign currency willexperience hyperinflation if it tries to use the currency melting down to pay the foreign obligations.

The same thing happened in Southeast Asia during the Asian Financial Crisis, when many Southeast Asian economies succumbed to heavy handed pressure to "open up" to international finance, which led to speculators basically using their economies to bet on the strength of the Yen against the US$ by borrowing US$ to finance investments that would yield income in Yen.

The Yen dropped against the US$ when the Japanese abandoned their neoliberal monetary policy in favor of a more sane monetary policy, and all the bets that a given Yen trade surplus could finance a given US$ capital deficit went sour.

Malaysia did far better in the aftermath than Thailand did, because Malaysia rejected the "help" of the IMF / World Bank and temporarily froze of capital flows.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 11:28:33 AM EST
for a good analysis of what's actually happening in Zimbabwe, see here

Where is the analysis of actual fiscal or monetary policy implementation in Zimbabwe, as distinct from what happened in the Weimar Republic 80 years ago?

This analyst has an aversion to IMF consulting (1, 2) citations, for example.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 12:11:29 PM EST
This analyst has an aversion to IMF consulting (1, 2) citations, for example.

Yes, Bill Mitchell makes no bones about his critique of the coherence of IMF technical analysis.

But what would one expect? For the most part, IMF technical analysis explicitly adheres to faith-based monetary economics.
 

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 01:17:00 PM EST
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Where is the analysis of actual fiscal or monetary policy implementation in Zimbabwe, as distinct from what happened in the Weimar Republic 80 years ago?

I thought Bill Mitchel explained both Wiemar and Zimbabwe rather well. The same dynamic was at work. In an already stressed economy external events destroyed productive potential. In the case of Germany it was the seizure of the Ruhr by France and Belgium, who had no interest in operating these industries which, after all, were competitive with theirs.

In Zimbabwe it was the seizure of the large land holdings which produced large amounts of agricultural products and their distribution to new holders who were un-interested and/or incapable of properly operating them.

In both cases production tanked but people still needed food and other necessities. It is less the printing of money than the fact that the money did not serve to replace production that led to inflation. The money in Zimbabwe was worthless because it could not buy what was most needed--food. In Germany industrial production became impossible because the starting product, steel, came to be unavailable in the German economy. And still Germany faced demands for large reparations payments to France and the U.K.

It is rather simple in both cases. Thanks to Bill Mitchel I now understand the underlying factors of a seminar assignment I had in 1965! It was "The Reaction of the British Quality Press to the Occupation of Ruhr." The short answer was that there was none--the dog that did not bark. The only guidance I had then was Keynes' excellent "The Economic Consequences of the Peace" which was written in 1919. That was what started my interest in economics. Where were you when I needed you Bill?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Mar 27th, 2010 at 03:26:04 PM EST
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There is a lot to talk about here, but this is something that I have been raising myself as an alternative to the usual rightist, doomsday end game for high deficit spending to employ people in my own small part of the policy world -- agricultural finance. It's not necessarily inflationary for governments to print money to pay bills and keep or even expand operations when economic or political situations prevent them from raising cheap money from credit markets.  However, the connection between money, credit, and debt hinges on the very word that brought the world's financial system to a halt in 2007 -- "trust."

"Credit" means "trust," and money is therefore largely a function of trust.  Inflation, which I think still can be described as Milton Friedman said -- entirely a monetary phenomenon -- occurs when people have lost trust in the capability of a currency to adequately secure one's claims to resources. It's not, therefore, that land ceases to be productive, but rather that people can't trust political authorities to spend in economically sustainable ways given the productivity of land or other resources. Central banks and treasury ministries are political institutions whose primary purpose is to establish an institutional framework for social trust regarding governmental spending vis a vis private claims to wealth.  

It's not that Zimbabwe or the Weimar Republic printed money instead of taxing people to pay bills -- it's that people completely lost confidence that political institutions could refrain from just printing money instead of finding a political solution to very real resource constraint problems. When printing money is viewed as merely punting a critical resource constraint problem down field instead of dealing with it, rational actors can reasonably expect that claims to real resources represented by a national currency to become more uncertain, thus reducing the value of a currency relative to the things it could purchase. And even if you don't believe in the rational actor framework, the same logic holds for discourse- or psychological-based explanations for how politics works: If people's values and their discourse around those values holds, as one would hope, that social claims to resources match up in some reasonable way to the real resources that are available, a weak or irresponsible government that prints money in order to solve political contests can expect that people will lose confidence in social claims to resources backed by the word of that government, resulting in high or even hyper inflation.

A current example can be seen in the high inflation environment of Venezuela today, as it was seen in a number of South American democracies in the 1990's. For example in 2000, Ecuador, in the midst of a national crisis that saw its economy contract by 1/3 (sending 10% of its population to the US, Spain, and Italy) while inflation skyrocketed (having been over 50% for a few years previously), opted to enact a radical institutional barrier to force its polity to deal with the real resource distribution issue instead of punting it to a later time: It abandoned its own currency completely and unilaterally adopted the US dollar, substituting trust in American social claims to resources for much of its own credibility.

One way of summarizing is to say: Inflation is, indeed, everywhere and anywhere a purely monetary phenomenon, but money is, everywhere and anywhere, a purely political phenomenon.

by santiago on Sun Mar 28th, 2010 at 08:24:32 PM EST
Money is trust, great! But not all trust is created equal. My impression (say, of the rather recent "heating" in the Baltic states) is that people don't keep up with worrying about trust. They just accept or try to live with whatever deciding trust is acting. The deciding trust is not a democratic phenomenon, and most of it comes from outside.

This is not to say that there are no economic rationale for inflation rates. It was fun to observe how inflation was mild during the credit boom in the Baltic states (when the monetary volume was expanding), but it indeed took up when wages started to rise. But the speed of this wages/inflation correlation does not support the standard theory (of people expressing their higher consumer demand potential with higher payments) at all. A much simpler explanation is that entrepreneurs immediately rise prices to compensate higher labour costs - and by the time you could determine whether consumers like that, there is already a depressing crisis under way (as it the case in the Baltics now).

Yet, peculiarities of the developed "trust" system may be overwhelming all purely economic and industrial gyrations. The financial tail wags the whole economy dog. Some trusters do much more trusting than others, and with much better knowledge. Particularly, we have only two historic examples of the dreaded hyperinflation. Couldn't they actually be just two experiments of eager trusters? It is funny how theorists are focused on inner governing of the Weimar example, when a big elephant is the outside reparations trust pressure. And yeah, Hitler miraculously solved the problems (by rather blatant printing) when the outside trusting pressure was manifestly absent. Inflation is a political phenomenon indeed. Some interesting commentary is here and here.

by das monde on Sun Mar 28th, 2010 at 10:53:07 PM EST
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But the speed of this wages/inflation correlation does not support the standard theory (of people expressing their higher consumer demand potential with higher payments) at all. A much simpler explanation is that entrepreneurs immediately rise prices to compensate higher labour costs - and by the time you could determine whether consumers like that, there is already a depressing crisis under way (as it the case in the Baltics now).

A cost-plus-markup theory of prices appears to be much better supported by evidence than any of the marginalist price theories.


The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 04:13:35 AM EST
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Migeru:
A cost-plus-markup theory of prices appears to be much better supported by evidence than any of the marginalist price theories.

This is what Gunnar Tomasson is talking about with his term 'Final Demand Inflation'. The demand by an intermediary for a 'mark-up' is by definition and accounting identity inflationary. In terms of morality the demand for maximisation of profit might be thought a useful description of 'greed'.

Thomasson's recent paper with Dirk Bezemer What is the source of profit and interest? A classical conundrum considered is relevant.

The concepts of Profit and Loss came about through the development of double-entry book-keeping, which itself was a response to increasing intermediation in trade. Then the legal protocol of the Joint Stock Company - originating in recognisable form in the early 17th century proto-Companies like the Dutch East India Company - gave us the 'shareholder value' form of capital wherein profit is embodied.

From this emerged the conflict between profit-maximising rentier owners, and the rhetoric that has since developed is written from the perspective of the rentier owner/landlord class and defines all other stakeholders as 'costs' to be 'cut'; labelling anything other than private producers of profit as being 'unproductive; drains on society; and so on.

But I digress.

In due course the privilege of gratis Limitation of Liability (which was pretty controversial at the time) turbocharged the development of this form of capital, and it has reached its zenith in the almost entirely sociopathic 'absentee landlord' Public Limited Company (Plc or Inc) - 'the Corporation'

So the demand for profit maximisation in excess of costs is the proximate 'cause' of inflation, and this demand is fuelled by the use of interest-bearing credit provided by 'for profit' credit intermediaries, which results in one of the costs being subject to an exponential function.

The permanent cure for inflation is simple.

Dis-intermediation.

In the dis-intermediated Economy 3.0 I have been involved in mapping there is no profit and no loss, because transactions take place between stakeholders within a partnership protocol.

There is no double-entry book-keeping either, and instead there is a shared transaction repository (ie who owes what to whom) and title repository (who has what rights over what productive assets). In this decentralised but connected Economy 3.0, intermediaries either become service providers, or go out of business.

The online music industry emerged as the test-bed for this process of 'partnerisation' or 'napsterisation' and where the music industry has led, the financial services industry will follow, beginning with 'Peer to Peer' mobile payments,and with a parallel path of 'Peer to Peer' direct investment in the use value of productive assets.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 05:44:26 AM EST
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Should read

From this emerged the conflict between profit-maximising rentier owners and all other stakeholders.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 05:55:06 AM EST
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I'm not sure that this is so.  Cost plus markup might explain very well how entrepreneurs try, or budget, to price their wares, but it's a lot harder to show that the prices they actually receive match up very well to a cost plus markup scheme.  We can find evidence all over the place, on the other hand, where goods are sold for less than their costs of production.  Agricultural commodities provide a lot of data for that.

The problem is that a lot of variables make up total costs of production, so it's often easier to fix, contractually or otherwise, a sales price than it is to fix input costs, making it impossible to truly do cost plus markup pricing.  Entrepreneurs are really just guessing at input costs while they set their sales prices with more certainty, so entrepreneurs are effectively working instead in the opposite direction -- minimizing costs to an acceptable level below a sales prices, not cost plus markup.  This shows that marginal pricing is probably a more realistic way of describing what actually happens in the world.

by santiago on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 09:55:34 AM EST
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santiago:
Cost plus markup might explain very well how entrepreneurs try, or budget, to price their wares, but it's a lot harder to show that the prices they actually receive match up very well to a cost plus markup scheme.

I don't think that detracts from the fact that profit maximisation is de facto inflationary.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 10:05:00 AM EST
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It would be except for the fact that at a society-wide level, individual efforts toward profit maximization lead to zero profits, i.e., the benefits of production tend to be distributed to consumers, land owners, and laborers and not to firm owners. In any given industry over a long period of time, profits tend toward zero unless monopoly conditions persist.

The distribution of profits, if you were to take the companies that make up a stock index, will show some firms at high profit levels, a lot more firms at quite small profit levels, and a number of firms at negative profits. Since firms at consistently negative profits eventually close down and have their capital distributed to society in the process, there is also a truncation effect in the data, which means that the average S&P return of 6% over the last century would be closer to zero if one could account for the net distribution of resources to society that would occur if unprofitable firms could continue to operate.

by santiago on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 10:39:20 AM EST
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santiago:
In any given industry over a long period of time, profits tend toward zero unless monopoly conditions persist.

There has been pretty much a 300 year monopoly on credit creation, and the profits from this industry - which accrue to private bankers on the one hand and to property owners on the other - are probably the key drivers of inflation overall.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 03:40:16 PM EST
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Perhaps.  But some monopolies are natural, and credit creation may be one of them.

Consider what credit is. It's trust that someone places in the hands of a partner that the partner has both the intention and the power of delivering on the commitment.  Lots of people or groups can have intentions, but real power -- what might be called sovereignty -- belongs to only a few.  That's why the US government is such a strong creator of credit while being a mediocre money manager at best. It's in a class by itself with respect to sovereignty.

by santiago on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 04:34:00 PM EST
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santiago:
Perhaps.  But some monopolies are natural, and credit creation may be one of them.

There are several natural monopolies, and credit creation is one of them.

The appropriate enterprise model for a monopoly is something that I have been working on for more than ten years now since I set up a 'Dot Com'; found that I had stumbled upon a natural monopoly (generic transaction registration); and eventually realised (after essentially bankrupting myself) that there was no satisfactory way of developing the business in the absence of a new enterprise model.

I wrote Market 3.0 in the aftermath and it marked - right at the end - the first appearance of the idea that a partnership approach might be an optimal enterprise model for a monopoly market utility. In the last couple of years one or two people are beginning to pick upon these ideas, which essentially envisage a monopoly in neither State nor Private hands, but rather held in Common, and operated within a partnership framework.

But re credit creation, the fact is that we do have a private monopoly, and that the obfuscation, and continuation, of this cosmically profitable (and IMHO de facto inflationary) monopoly is totally engrained into our economy and indeed our language to an extent that we cannot even conceive that anything other than private credit creation could exist.

QE, of course, proves that it can.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 05:19:09 PM EST
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I'm not sure that this is so.  Cost plus markup might explain very well how entrepreneurs try, or budget, to price their wares, but it's a lot harder to show that the prices they actually receive match up very well to a cost plus markup scheme.  We can find evidence all over the place, on the other hand, where goods are sold for less than their costs of production.  Agricultural commodities provide a lot of data for that.

Blind economists describing different parts of the same elephant?

Consider large firms with market power.

Of course, in markets without product differentiationa and lots of competing producers (such as the agricultural commodity markets you study) there is something close to "ideal" pricing conditions and the commodity producers are price-takers.

But the share of primary agricultural goods production in GDP is small enough to not affect inflation much. Most of inflation comes from all the transformative and service industries where wages for ancillary (not directly producing) workers as well as "cost plus markup", coupled with price-setting firms, does lead to inflation.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 11:54:14 AM EST
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Ag products is just an example for which there is ample data. Most products are commodities - electronics components, services, etc. Lots of firms are losing money at any point in time while others are making money.  Profit is in no way built into a firm's real outcomes in any way approaching certainty. If it were, it would be a lot easier to get rich investing in the stock market than it actually is.
by santiago on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 12:08:54 PM EST
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Please describe your experiences as a proprietor (owner, operator) of a going concern situated in a non-farm industry sector. Your market may be B2B or B2C, I don't care, as long as you've been in business the 5 years prior. Explain, if you would, broadly your operating expenses --variable and fixed costs-- of production and distribution, as a percentage of total revenue. Then in two words or less reveal your "exit strategy," denoting expected rate of return on personal equity invested in the enterprise.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 06:47:08 PM EST
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Why don't you describe it first regarding your own experience, since you seem to think it's relevant to the discussion here?
by santiago on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 09:59:52 AM EST
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ahh, that is the reply I expected from one whose theory of "certainty" seems to derive from "decompositions" of aggregated, historical price (revenue) reporting within a particular industry (here). This declaration is one of several grandiose claims, revealing your analytic bias (industrial? AG) and confusion perhaps about the general utility of contract(s) to minimize losses attributable to unforeseen events ("risks," unknown "input costs" like NON-PAYMENT) and forecast revenue generation and ultimately the profitability of an enterprise.

The problem is that a lot of variables make up total costs of production, so it's often easier to fix, contractually or otherwise, a sales price than it is to fix input costs, making it impossible to truly do cost plus markup pricing.

I wanted to assure myself that you had some other experience observing cash flows and operating practices (MOE - working capital, nominal capital structure, real capital req.s, output volume, etc) within other industries. Because the values attributed to these ubiquitous terms --price components-- vary widely by industry and by firm (revenue) model within an industry.

entrepreneurs are effectively working instead in the opposite direction -- minimizing costs to an acceptable level below a sales prices, not cost plus markup.

This statement is incoherent -- the cart before the horse. This is NCE-speak to say nothing descriptive: "I observe reported revenue ("sales price"). Therefore, all firms select an "acceptable level" (cost) of production less than or equal to "sales price" rather than cost plus markup." Have you any idea, what is the mathematic difference between "sales price" and cost of production? Please, do not answer "value-added."

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Now, a demonstration of entrepreneur's known costs of production.

A non-farm industry. Professional Services >
Management Consulting >Marketing Communications >Pre-production
Market. B2B sectors: advertising, retail finance, retail consumer products, publishing-books, periodicals, catalogs-, broadcast tv y radio, primary research
Business the 5 years prior. 1991-2001
Operating expenses (a percentage of total revenue)
-- variable. 20% (utilities, consumables,  professional fees, credit*, equipment)
-- fixed costs. 80% (leases, utilities, professional fees, salary, insurance, statutory license(s))
Revenue model. 90% billable hours, 10% IP sale. 0% resale.
"Exit strategy," denoting expected rate of return on personal equity invested in the enterprise.
cash out - 0%, $0.00

::

So. If you have no entrepreneurial experience to share, I must assume, we have nothing further to discuss on this subject of entrepreneurial "certainty."

---
(*) credit, or borrowing, includes interest bearing lines drawn and non-interest bearing lines extended to customers


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 01:43:41 PM EST
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but I DO have significant personal, entrepreneurial experience, both within and outside of agriculture (finance, consulting, education), and frankly, from what you've said regarding your business experience, and the importance you place in this discussion on terms like "variable," "fixed," "revenue model," and "exit strategy" -- you're using them as "How to Write a Business Plan" buzzwords, devoid of meaning in a discussion of how to find prices -- I doubt if you're in my league. (Have you ever had to meet a payroll, for example?)

I just wanted to know the context of your question (and your state of mind) before answering it, and now I see that my suspicions were correct -- you think I'm an egghead economist with no experience in the business world of which I opine. (LMAO, especially because it's such a rightist, anti-intellectual narrative you're employing.)

But let's keep this to your experience level here, because it's probably sufficient. When you were consulting/whatever, what determined how much you  charged your clients, and how far off were your rates from your peers?  And if you really did just charge at costs plus markup, why didn't you charge more, and thereby increase your profit margin?  

by santiago on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 03:51:55 PM EST
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I don't think that this is a particularly productive direction, so let me posit the following.

Any return on capital to the owners (eg shareholders of a corporation) of a 'For Profit' business is - by definition - inflationary.

Discuss.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 04:21:21 PM EST
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I'm traveling right now, so I can't respond right away, but I'll think about it.  Some questions in the meantime:

Why is return to capital necessary inflationary and not return to labor or other factor, if, as I think you've argued elsewhere, production is function of several factors, not just labor?

And, can you think of conditions where return to capital might not be inflationary and why?  This will help me understand your reasoning on this.

by santiago on Wed Mar 31st, 2010 at 12:08:49 PM EST
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It is the 'unearned' return on purely financial capital eg Equity in a joint stock corporation, that I postulate is - by definition - inflationary. One could say the same about rent payable to a landlord which is a demand which inflates the price of production from land.

ie any unearned income derived from property rights is inflationary.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Mar 31st, 2010 at 12:49:49 PM EST
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What is the definition of inflation you use? Simply rising prices or something different/more specific?

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Wed Mar 31st, 2010 at 02:30:18 PM EST
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Rising prices.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Mar 31st, 2010 at 08:24:49 PM EST
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So really what you mean by profit is what others would call "rent." Is rent inherently inflationary, meaning does rent, by its nature as rent, make prices rise?

I think you might mean that unless the exchange value of something -- it's price -- is tied to something concrete -- food value, or energy value, or human effort expended then it must cause prices to rise.  That is, if someone can find ways to gain access to real resources through superior manipulation of social relationships instead of by doing productive work that increases the amount or quality of real things available to people then it must be inflationary because it increases the claims upon resources without increasing the total amount of resources available.  Is am reading you right?

by santiago on Mon Apr 5th, 2010 at 11:09:43 PM EST
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Bill Mitchell provides the following as context and background for his Zimbabwe for hyperventilators 101 post. It is a simple, sane statement of what should be the governing principles of progressive societies:

Responsible fiscal practice

Now at the risk of repeating myself a million times, this is the macroeconomic sequence that defines responsible fiscal policy practice. This is basic macroeconomics and the debt-deficit-hyperinflation hyperventilating neo-liberal terrorists seem unable to grasp it:

  1. The sovereign government, which is not revenue-constrained because it issues the currency, has a responsibility for seeing that the workforce is fully employed.

  2. Full employment means less than 2 per cent unemployment, zero underemployment and zero hidden unemployment.

  3. The sovereign government can purchase any real good or service that is available for sale in the market at any time. It never has to finance this spending unlike a household which uses the currency issued by the sovereign government. The household always has to finance its spending (as do state and local governments in a federal system).

  4. The non-government sector typically decides (in aggregate) to save a propoportion of the income that is flowing to it. This desire to save motivates spending decisions which result in the flow of spending being less than the income produced. If nothing else happened then firms would reduce output and income would fall (as would employment) and households would find they were unable to achieve their desired saving ratio.

  5. The government sector must in this situation fill the spending gap left by the non-government sector's decision to withdraw some spending (in relation to its income). If the government does increase its net contribution to spending (that is, run a budget deficit) up to the point that total spending now equals total income then firms will realise their planned output sales and retain current employment levels.

  6. The government sector's net position (spending minus revenue) is the mirror image of the non-government's net position. So a government surplus is equal $-for-$, cent-for-cent to a non-government deficit and vice versa. So if the non-government sector is in surplus (a net saving position) then income adjustments will render the government sector in deficit whether it plans to be in that state or not. If income is falling in fhe face of rising saving behaviour of the non-government sector and that spending gap is not filled by government net spending then the budget deficit will rise (as income adjustments cause tax revenue to fall and welfare payments to rise). You end up with a deficit but the economy is at a much less satisfactory position than would have been the case if the government had have "financed" the non-government saving desire in the first place and kept employment levels high.

So a responsible government will attempt to maintain spending levels sufficient to fill any saving. You will note I have discussed this in broad aggregates (government - non-government) rather than taking the so-called leakages and injections approach which decomposes the non-government sector into foreign and domestic and considers tax, saving and import leakages against the government spending, investment and export injections. No particularly interesting things emerge at that level of aggregation which are relevant here. We get all the basic insights by keeping it simple.

I would only say that it might be less that neo-liberal deficit terrorists cannot grasp the above principles and more that those who do definitely do not like the implications of those principles.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Mar 29th, 2010 at 12:04:26 AM EST
... proposition when their income depends on disagreement is a difficult thing.

An important task is helping those whose income are undermined by the neoliberal faith to see it in those terms.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 01:14:40 PM EST
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I always thought it was Upton Sinclair.
It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!
Was he merely quoting Twain?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 02:59:23 PM EST
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If one googles the quote Wiki comes up with Upton Sinclair as a source. I always thought it was his.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 04:39:33 PM EST
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I obviously had the source second hand from someone who could not tell Sinclair and Twain apart.

Difficult to tell them apart, I admit, but the skinny teetotaler who ran for Governor of California with a Socialist platform on the Democratic Ticket, primarily dined on fresh fruits and vegetables and who's idea of a binge was gorging himself on ice cream was not Twain.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 07:50:54 PM EST
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Those whose income depends on not understanding are a lost cause, at least until they too no longer have an income. But they are greatly outnumbered by those whose future income and survival could well depend on their understanding and then acting and voting based on that new understanding.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 04:32:31 PM EST
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ARGeezer:
and then acting and voting based on that new understanding.

Acting yes: not voting, it only encourages them.

"The future is already here -- it's just not very evenly distributed" William Gibson

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 04:37:51 PM EST
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If they both had that understanding and voted on it, primaries would have a quite different shape to them.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 07:52:18 PM EST
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Acting yes: not voting, it only encourages them.

I sincerely hope that some version of Market 3.0 does supersede our existing parasitical monstrosity of a market of monopolists, but I fear that TPTB will use some of their power to do some damage to anything that threatens their system. So, until I see more definite signs of triumph I will continue to vote when it seems to offer some hope of a change, as with Obama. :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Mar 30th, 2010 at 09:08:11 PM EST
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