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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 11:20:17 AM EST
BBC Sport - Football - Football's lawmakers reject goal-line technology

The International Football Association Board has ruled out the use of goal-line technology and video replays.

"The door is closed. The decision was not to use technology at all," said Fifa general secretary Jerome Valcke.

The decision was reached after watching presentations of two systems, Cairos - a chip inserted in a ball, and Hawk-Eye - used in tennis and cricket.

The Football Association and Scottish Football Association had both voted in favour of further experiments.

<snip>

Patrick Nelson, chief executive of the Irish FA, also backed Fifa's position.

"We very much appreciate the human side of the game, the debate, the controversy, that's why the board has taken this decision," he said.

Im surprised he wont get lynched when he returns to Ireland.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 11:54:41 AM EST
We very much appreciate the human side of the game, the debate, the controversy

They mean the part where the referees, who should be unobstrusive, become the central players?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:08:32 PM EST
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that's the stupidity. The human side of the equation is about the judgement calls about fouls etc. But determining whether the ball has crossed the line or not should not be a judgement call, it is a black/white yes/no decision.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:18:13 PM EST
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I'm still aching from my efforts yesterday. spent the morning digging out a new vegetable patch just in time to catch the last frosts of the year.

then in the afternoon I removed all of the vertical branches and dead wood from the bramley apple tree at the end of the garden. So hopefully this years crop will be within reach and not fall from a great height on the ground and bruise.

then, feeling I had deserved it from both the dya's effort plus being on my alcohol free diet for a month I allowed myself to go to a beer festival nearby. But I walked, 7 miles in total (just over 10 km). I was already aching by the time I got to the pub. I was in pain when I got back despite the general anesthetic.

And I'm still ache-y today.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 01:01:54 PM EST
Should have drunk more then ;)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 02:58:07 PM EST
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no, although the beer was okay, I'd gone more out of curiosity about the pub which I'd never actually entered before. And I wasn't impressed; crowded and noisy and I didn't really feel comfortable. So, I lost any temptation I might have had to over-indulge .

Also I'd tried most of the breweries represented and wasn't impressed. So I had the ones I knew I'd like and left.

I was just using it as a warm up for the London Drinker fest thursday and Friday where I'm working.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:11:19 PM EST
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Just learned that a good friend from graduate school is getting married this July in Rennes, so I'll be making my first-ever trip to France (my wife traveled through there in 2002). Don't know if anyone will be around the weekend of July 10-11 in Paris, but it would be interesting to meet some of you in person.

Otherwise, gray morning here in Monterey, listening to my wife singing along to Joni Mitchell as she whips up her own pancake batter from scratch. A Sunday morning tradition.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 01:58:55 PM EST
Oh, I'll probably be there.

Just like last year, this year's projects at work seem to have key milestones coming up in July-August, so summer vacations will be short and probably around e/o July, early August. Since our kids are all "growed' up", our vacation schedule are no longer constrained by academic calendars anyway...

You'll get a prime opportunity to ride the high-speed TGV from Paris to Rennes, and also the SNCF web site and its bizarre mix of French and English languages. Anyway, July is a great time to come and visit; weather should be OK if not on the hot side.


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:20:11 PM EST
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Definitely looking forward to the TGV trip out to Rennes. It'll count as research for my work with Californians For High Speed Rail. I'm planning to contact SNCF to see if I can meet with some officials while there.

And the world will live as one
by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 06:36:59 PM EST
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one of my friends works at RFF (the network company, now separate from SNCF) and they are in charge of building the new high speed lines. Also, my former bank is heavily involved in the PPP financings for these new lines, so I could certainly put you in touch with people involved in bidding  for and financing such projects.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Mar 8th, 2010 at 05:37:52 AM EST
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Thanks - I'll be in touch once I have plans more clearly defined.

And the world will live as one
by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:48:32 AM EST
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I may be away for the week-ends at that time, but I should be around for weekdays - let's hook up in Paris, for sure.

Otherwise, I'll be in LA/Vegas or at least a week later in July for NN10...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Mar 8th, 2010 at 05:38:50 AM EST
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A weekday evening might well work - my wife and I are still making plans. I'll be headed directly to Vegas and NN10 from France, should be interesting!

And the world will live as one
by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:48:11 AM EST
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NN10 is starting to sound like it might be worth the trip.  

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:07:31 AM EST
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I brought my motorcycle home yesterday. I was going to wait until today to ride due to being tired and out of it yesterday, but I gave in after a few hours.

The first 10 minutes were a uh, adventure. Until you have a sliver of muscle memory on where the clutch starts to catch, you're not in control of the bike. I thought I had it down after a good 20 practice tries in the driveway without any throttle to make me move, but when I hit the throttle for the first time, holy shit. Uncontrolled acceleration straight toward a wall (this is where living in the suburbs with wide, flat streets would have been nice). So I recover from that somehow, head up the hill (good 7% grade), get it into 2nd gear, try for 3rd, and kill it. A car is coming up behind me, so I manage to roll it down the hill toward the curb without falling. After five or six tries on the hill start I get going again.

After that I had no problems at all. Low speed u-turns were easy and I had the clutch down. I went up and down the street 10 times then put it back in the garage.

Today: millman attempts to drive to the gas station and refuel.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:18:34 PM EST
... and next Sunday, you'll be riding along Skyline Boulevard and stopping at Alice's Restaurant for a Jalopy Burger.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:26:53 PM EST
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heh, don't tempt me. The twisties on the way to Alice's are already calling my name...

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:30:17 PM EST
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How does Facebook know which people know me?

  1. I haven't joined Facebook or had anything to do with it.

  2. A person invited me to join, so I got an email (it's immaterial that I've never met this person, it just happens that we're on a mailing list and she kindly invited the whole list to be her friends...)

  3. After the kind invitation from 2., Facebook reminds me that someone else invited me about three years ago. Well, I knew about that, and had at the time mailed that one separately to say thanks, but I don't want to join Facebook.

  4. Next, Facebook tells me there are other people I perhaps know on Facebook. There follows a list of people I do in fact know. Some of them are ETers, others not.

Not one of those people has invited me to join FB or be their friends (or anything nice). At least one is someone I've had no contact with for five years.

The only thing these people have in common is that, at one time or another, they have corresponded with me at the email address I received the FB mail at, so that address is in their email address books.

So, when you join Facebook, do you give them the right to peek into your address book and collect non-FB members' addresses?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:40:19 PM EST
They ask you if you want to let them mine your address book from whatever web based email address you have. They don't require it, though.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:44:18 PM EST
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OK, thanks for the info. Presumably people allow that without realizing quite what it means in terms of others' privacy.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:49:48 PM EST
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Linked In is the same. I did't select opt-in to one or more address books though, explaining my initial freak out having completed a skeletal profile, the age of contacts returned. I don't use any IM. I don't subscribe to facebook or myface. Registering for Twitter just to peek a year ago was a mistake, too.

An application that lets users point a smart phone at a stranger and immediately learn about them premiered last Tuesday at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona, Spain. Developed by The Astonishing Tribe (TAT), a Swedish mobile software and design firm, the prototype software combines computer vision, cloud computing, facial recognition, social networking, and augmented reality.

"It's taking social networking to the next level," says Dan Gärdenfors, head of user experience research at TAT. "We thought the idea of bridging the way people used to meet, in the real world, and the new Internet-based ways of congregating would be really interesting."

Read more...

Not that I've much to lose.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:49:00 PM EST
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It's taking social networking to the next level ...

is happy Sales Talk for being nosy, intrusive, assholes.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:54:18 PM EST
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well, yeah :)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 09:25:01 PM EST
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hmm, worrying. If the person who invited you on either occasion was known to any of us, it's entirely possible it constructed the list from us as friends.

But other than that, I guess it went fishing in our address books. Which I didn't even know was possible.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:47:24 PM EST
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The previous inviter is only known to In Wales, of ET members.

As MillMan explains, they can get permission to fish if signers-up don't realize what they're allowing.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:52:05 PM EST
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I think they work on taking all the people you know, then comparing the people who are friends of more than one of them, and sending back invites for those people. Im sure its mostly done without rifling through your email accounts.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:28:39 PM EST
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They do that, too.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:35:57 PM EST
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That takes us back to the top-level query: how do they know who I know? I'm not on Facebook.

But the answer seems clear: a member can run a feature designed to find people they know on FB, using their email address book (for a web-based account). They probably don't realize (maybe are not clearly informed) that FB will store the addresses retrieved in a dbase.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:36:46 PM EST
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Yes, I get invites sent to my work address, "blah de blah has invited you to join this shitty website" - not just for facebook but for other stuff like dating websites and other social networking things I've not heard of.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:41:38 PM EST
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That results from an invitation, though.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:44:51 PM EST
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Well there is the worry that the more authoritarian organisations will be able to use these social networking software pieces to aggregate left wing groups, environmental groups, etc. As a strategy to avoid this it might be a good approach if you are a member of these sites to add some random people as chaff to their understanding.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:49:05 PM EST
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In the US it's a given that various entities are data mining the internet.  At last report the number of false positives are giving them fits.  Some recent "information received" indicates they may be, in some manner, becoming more efficient.  They could have done this using non-standard, but known, computer information processing and decision making procedures without a leap in Information Processing Theory.

So ...

If you are reading this the probability of your internetting becoming part of a file is ever so-slightly increased by talking to US citizens.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 05:01:40 PM EST
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They can run a search using your information against all the data they have in their database.  Then build a chain of valid inferences using ISA comparison operations to get the indirect connections.  

Straight forward Set Theory, in other words.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:52:02 PM EST
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I never let facebook go through my address books, or any application for that matter.  Lots of addresses are people I don't want to send some random silly invite to, and for anyone else I'd search to see if they already had an account and if they didn't I'd leave them alone!!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:35:34 PM EST
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You're not on the list.

You don't know me.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:37:22 PM EST
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Don't speak to me.

STRANGER DANGER!!!

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:38:59 PM EST
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You don't want to be on facebook.

You don't know anyone.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:39:09 PM EST
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I'm not on Facebook.

I am no one.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:43:13 PM EST
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My god!  I was 100% fooled.  The Turing Test has been passed!

:-)

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 05:04:03 PM EST
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Whereas at least one poster here im not sure about ;)

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Mar 8th, 2010 at 07:04:44 AM EST
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People aren't aware of the length of memory persistence on cybernetic systems.  Fortunately data retrieval and association technology are simplistic and brittle so only the most gross referential data and information can be extracted.

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 03:59:20 PM EST
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Yeah, I don't expect they're reading my disk or anything. Still, the gross referential data that is my email address is in their db without my having permitted them to have it (permission implied when you send a mail to someone).

Of course, I "unsubscribed" from their mails (as if I'd ever "subscribed").

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:29:12 PM EST
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when you join Facebook, do you give them the right to peek into your address book and collect non-FB members' addresses

Not automatically, but social networking sites have tools which allow you to ask the server to look for people you might know based on your webmail address book.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:04:50 PM EST
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I was wondering about the same thing, not to long ago - all the lists of people I might know, had only in common that one time or the other they exchanged emails with me and were in my adressbook.

This confirmed my convicting not to become a member of facebook.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:06:29 PM EST
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I have wondered about this myself. The way it has to work is that those people have given facebook access to their email contacts when they signed up or tried to find people they knew on facebook. Facebook will then put those email addresses in a database and match the people who provided them when someone sends an invite to your address.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 04:25:48 PM EST
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In Soviet America, Internet surfs you!

/oblig

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Mar 8th, 2010 at 04:28:32 AM EST
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Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Mar 7th, 2010 at 09:33:22 PM EST
great, Chris!

love that slide intro, and the guitar tones throughout.

his spacey-deadpan vibe is funny too.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Mar 8th, 2010 at 02:34:55 AM EST
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