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by In Wales
Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 10:28:54 AM EST

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Day two of civil service strikes here.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 10:35:55 AM EST
How is the strike affecting you?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:43:25 AM EST
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Me directly, not at all.  I think most of those on strike are civil servants in the Assembly, tax office, job centres, courts etc.  So there will be delays in getting work moved forward on a general level.

BBC News - Thousands of public servants in Wales on 48-hour strike

The month-long action, starting with a two-day stoppage, is part of a dispute over changes to redundancy terms.

The UK government is trying to impose new rules, which would mean a maximum redundancy payment of two years salary for those earning over £30,000 a year.

Five trade unions have accepted the changes, but the PCS - which represents half of all civil servants - is fighting them.

BBC News - Business leaders criticise strike

Business leaders have criticised a decision to postpone a meeting of the full Welsh assembly due to strike action by civil servants.

CBI Wales Director David Rosser said it sent "the wrong message" and complained of a lack of leadership.

Four assembly members joined striking civil and public servants at a rally.

An assembly commission spokesman said the plenary had not been cancelled, but rather the assembly government had withdrawn its business.



Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:01:43 PM EST
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8556920.stm

Brazil slaps trade sanctions on US over cotton dispute

The Brazilian government has announced trade sanctions against a variety of American goods in retaliation for illegal US subsidies to cotton farmers.
The World Trade Organization (WTO) approved the sanctions in a rare move.
Brazil published a list of 100 US goods that would be subject to import tariffs in 30 days, unless the two governments reached a last-minute accord.
It said it regretted the sanctions, but that eight years of litigation had failed to produce a result.
It said it would raise tariffs on $591m (£393m) worth of US products - from cars, where the tariff will increase from 35% to 50%, to milk powder, which would see a 20% increase in the levy.

Cotton and cotton products would be charged 100% import tariff, the highest on the list.
The Office of the US Trade Representative said it was "disappointed" by Brazil's decision and called for a negotiated settlement.
Critics say the US has given its cotton growers an unfair advantage by paying them billions of dollars each year.
In 2008, the WTO ruled that subsidies to US cotton producers were discriminatory.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:45:47 AM EST
http://vizthink.com/blog/2010/03/09/google-launches-public-data-explorer/

http://www.google.com/publicdata/home

Google Launches Public Data Explorer

Yesterday Google flipped the switch on their newest Google labs product "Google Public Data Explorer", a tool that allows anyone to browse, compare and visualize information from a dozen or so public data sets (World Bank data, US Census Information, Eurostat etc.). While a limited in what you can do today it provides some interesting insight into what might be coming down the pipes.

Data visualizations can also be linked to, or even embedded in a webpage (as I've done below) and, where the data exists, the charts can even be animated to show the progression of time. There's loads of options to explore and tinker with.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:47:06 AM EST

Europe bars Wall Street banks from government bond sales

European countries are blocking Wall Street banks from lucrative deals to sell government debt worth hundreds of billions of euros in retaliation for their role in the credit crunch.

For the first time in five years, no big US investment bank appears among the top nine sovereign bond bookrunners in Europe, according to Dealogic data compiled for the Guardian. Only Morgan Stanley ranks at number 10.

Goldman Sachs doesn't make the table. Goldman made it to number five last year and in 2006, and number eight in 2007, the data shows. JP Morgan was in the top ten last year and in 2007 and 2006 but doesn't appear this year.

"Governments do not have the confidence that the excessive risk-taking culture of the big Wall Street banks has changed and they still cannot be trusted to put the stability of the financial system before profit," said Arlene McCarthy, vice chair of the European parliament's economic and monetary affairs committee. "It is no surprise therefore that governments are reluctant to do business with banks that have failed to learn the lesson of the crisis. The banks need to acknowledge the mistakes that were made and behave in an ethical way to regain the trust and confidence of governments."

European sovereign bond league tables are now dominated by European banks such as Barclays Capital, Deutsche Bank, and Société Générale, the Dealogic table shows. Their business model is usually seen as more relationship-based, while US investment banks have traditionally been focused on immediate deal-making.

Good. Hit them where it hurts.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 12:18:24 PM EST
European Energy Review

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 12:20:52 PM EST
I recommended this to the principals of CLEEN, the so-called Finnish SHOK (Strategic Center of Excellence) focused on the Energy and Environment sectors. I told them it was required reading if I was going to work with them ;-) ET and TOD were included in the list also.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:05:38 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Wales | Family see Jesus image in Marmite
It may not be immediately obvious to everyone, but one family are convinced they can see the face of Jesus on the lid of a jar of Marmite.


Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:03:25 PM EST
I certainly eat it religiously ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:07:13 PM EST
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How much do you need to ingest before you see Jesus?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:23:18 PM EST
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It's probably one of those things like nutmeg, where you'll throw up before you can ingest enough to have a perceivable effect. Or then again, like peyote, the throwing up (or georging, as the Finns will have it), maybe part of the cleansing process.

But what hit me today (and I know the rest of you know this already, so don't shout at me) was that the average medicine dosage, say in pill form, and not counting the inert delivery material, is a few milligrams. So a sprinkle of nutmeg - not counting the delivery material - has to be doing 'something'. In fact I've always loved using a wide range of spices in cooking not only for the creative taste possibilities, but also because all these exotic spices must contain bizarre mixtures of elements and molecules. It stands to reason!

I like sumac for instance, it's a souring spice made from genus Rhus and related genera. That's a flowering plant. Great in cooking rice.

I mean, every plant does something to you apart from taste and aroma. Do we trust the natural pharmacopoeia?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:50:24 PM EST
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My preferred mind-altering hallucinogen is Roquefort

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:57:36 PM EST
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Ah yes. The host with the most.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:51:29 PM EST
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Sven Triloqvist:
It's probably one of those things like nutmeg, where you'll throw up before you can ingest enough to have a perceivable effect.

perhaps these weak psychoactives were discovered by half starving, bored sailors on long voyages, or prisoners almost at the point of hallucination anyway, and being in such a sensitive condition, it took very little to tip them over some edge in their minds, whereas the average well fed westerner now would have to eat so much of it to affect himself, it would indeed be quite toxic. nutmeg does contain traces ofmyristicin and safrole, and can be a precursor to MDMA though i think they're so small as to be negligible.

certainly the aroma of fresh grated nutmeg over mashed potatoes, or with baked apples is intoxicating.

cinnamon, nutmeg, vanilla and cloves are all heavenly flavours, combining really well.

where's the line between getting pleasured by something and getting high from it?

precisely, mind... none of yer vagueries

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:00:31 PM EST
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Nutmeg is one to definitely avoid, the level where it becomes lethal is only twice the ammount required to cause the hallucinatory effect. so its very easy to mess up terminally

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:08:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC NEWS | UK | Wales | Family see Jesus image in Marmite

"People might think I'm nuts, but I like to think it's Jesus looking out for us.

"We've had a tough couple of months; my mum's been really ill and it's comforting to think that if he is there, he's watching over us."

Work your way through the cog diss and see how people work. The more life kicks them the more they want to believe, even when they don't believe.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:28:44 PM EST
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um, how do you know what they believe?

cyber-stethoscopically?

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:02:41 PM EST
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By reading what the lady says.

quote:

if he is there

suggests doubt or not entire belief.

quote:

but I like to think... it's comforting to think...

suggests that belief is an attractive option.

Otherwise, I'm relating that to what I've seen of life and people, FWIW.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 01:46:26 AM EST
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I've heard it said that if you smoke enough of the good stuff you'll see god in everything.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:53:24 PM EST
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You see meaning in everything, but I wouldn't call it god. More the essential rightness of everything, tragic or comic. It all makes sense in the satori moment.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:48:10 PM EST
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Sven Triloqvist:
but I wouldn't call it god

because that would make you a ventriloquist.

oh wait

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:04:36 PM EST
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Gottle o' geer ;-)

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:23:42 PM EST
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From NBC New York
Chevra Mehadrin, a Jewish group in Monsey, N.Y, recently released a list of food items that should no longer be considered kosher.

According to the group, a tiny parasitic worm called anisakis that is found in smoked salmon makes it unfit for kosher cuisine.

The Rabbi responsible for this ruling is Rabbi Moshe Karp....On the other hand
Despite reports, some are skeptical of the radical claims made by the extreme groups.

"This issue has been resolved in Jewish law for hundreds of years already,"  Rabbi Moshe Elefant [not kosher either...] of the Orthodox Union, the largest kashrut certifying organization in the world reported to the NY Post.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 01:39:36 PM EST
We all know what Rabbi Karp is fishing for.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:50:41 PM EST
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A trout, surely?

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:30:45 PM EST
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Now I'm using fireFox, I saw melo and afew's discussion about tribext today and it piqued my curiosity.

what is tribext ? What does it do ? And does it run on FF 3.6 (melo says no) ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:03:26 PM EST
I'm sure people have told you before to use tribext for this or that reason, but you replied you were using IExx...

Tribext is a Firefox add-on specially for ET, written by someone. Unfortunately someone is hideously busily occupied with making black holes, so hasn't been able to develop it beyond Firefox 3.5.x (so it doesn't run on FF 3.6)

Tribext with FF 3.5 can allow you to

copy into a blockquote with title and link above it, an excerpt from an html page (article etc, or other ETer's comment or diary...) which you paste into your comment without further ado... that's how the news items in the Salon are done, like this, done with tribext:

Helen:

what is tribext ? What does it do ?

go straight to new comments in a thread without having to scroll for them.

should also provide for dynamic rating as on DKos, but I don't get that feature with FF 3.5.

There are other things I'm forgetting. But for the clip with title and link alone, it's invaluable.

Look down the left column till you see it mentioned.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:38:50 PM EST
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Making black holes to swallow the earth down (ker-plunk) is one way to get out of updating user software, I suppose.

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:44:00 PM EST
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I dont know, Ive never been able to get out of helping users through my plans for world domination.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:06:40 PM EST
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(From one compu-software hacker to 'nudder ...)

It's never the software.  It's the user's expectations.

You just need to work on their mind, a bit.

;-)


No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:46:00 PM EST
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Oh, and a translate feature that you see with one language on the left, the other on the right.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:47:10 PM EST
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try it helen, you won't believe how much energy you save.

tidy little thing, a blogger's boon.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:07:19 PM EST
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sadly I've got FF 3.6, so no tribext for me.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:16:20 PM EST
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its worth downgrading to earlier versions just so it works, really.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:09:08 PM EST
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That's what I did.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:43:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How'd ya do that ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:55:48 PM EST
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I googled to find the earlier versions and took 3.6 off the computer and replaced it with an earlier one.  I'm trying to remember which old version I downloaded though...

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 06:02:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Help menu, About Mozilla Firefox.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 02:14:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]
3.5.8 - thanks!

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 03:38:24 AM EST
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Instructions in yesterdays salon

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 08:26:28 PM EST
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Oh (2), and double-click on an acronym and you get its definition.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 01:57:37 AM EST
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My locals are saying..."I just had to ask."

And it's all Helen's fault.  ;)

Following a tip from her, I bought a 1000 litre water tank from ebay, and I thought I'd arranged to have delivered in the first week of the school holidays.

I came home tonight to find it left in front of the front door.  And it was at this point I realised, that although I'd measured carefully where it was going to go, I hadn't actually given any thought as to how it was going to get there.

At its narrowest point, it's 40cm wider than the gate.  And too heavy for the three of us to lift over.

We've had to take down a fence panel, and both sides of the greenhouse frame...

Not one of my more glorious days.  Oops...  :)

by Sassafras on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:03:36 PM EST
Have you fitted the glass yet?

(Obviously not if its all in bits again ;)_

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:10:57 PM EST
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Fortunately not  :)

Lucky the tank was delivered early...

by Sassafras on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:15:40 PM EST
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A MIRACLE!

Have you checked your Marmite jar lids recently?

Maybe someone is watching over you.  


No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:41:10 PM EST
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Hahahaha ... {evil chuckle - my work here is done}

Stilll, you got it in okay. which is more than I did. Found the perfect 1500 lite tank and then got distracted and forgot to bid for it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:30:43 PM EST
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Been there done that.  We ended up lifting it over a neighbours fence with 6 people (in our case it was a 4.5kL tank).
by njh on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:41:08 PM EST
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Greece Police Photos
In this five pictures combo, taken Sunday, Dec. 6 2009, a uniformed motorcycle policeman and a plainclothes officer are seen placing a bottle in a white backpack which is then left next to a detained youth in pyjama trousers, as three more policemen stand above in the northern Greek city of Thessaloniki. Greek police have apologized to the 23-year-old, who was arrested during riots Sunday and charged with having a petrol bomb in his bag. The youth denied any link with the riots - saying he was caught up in the fracas when he left home to put the rubbish out - and said the bag was planted on him during his arrest. After video footage emerged backing his claim, police withdrew their initial evidence and said the bag had been erroneously linked with the suspect. A prosecutor has ordered an investigation into the incident, which police described as "very serious." AP


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:09:26 PM EST
I finally figured out the strategy the current administration will employ in order to reduce the deficit at my university.  Create angry controversy with all kinds of unsubstantiated leaks, ... then close down all the campuses when the unions and the students go on strike.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:29:24 PM EST
Locals here are saying, "Yippie, hound dawg!"  (We talk like that in the Wild, Wild, West©.)

Our local corrupt bottom-feeding political machine was decisively beaten in recent election, just when they thought they could make a come back.  Truth be told, there was an opening for their resurgence.  That door has now closed and I don't think they can wedge it open again; they will have been out of power for too long and their political contacts in Santa Fe will have evaporated.

The thing is ... you can't win in local government.  There's not a lot of good that can be accomplish.  There IS a lot of harm that can be done and has been done here by graft, skimming, & so on.  We're a poor community - the joke is we aren't noticing the recession because we've never moved out of the Depression - and the 'liberating' of $10,000 here, $5,000 there, hurt us bad in the past.  The last town administration really cleaned-up and this one promises to continue to spend Public monies on the Public.

So in one small corner of the world: A Win.


No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:33:17 PM EST
ATinNM:
you can't win in local government.

Yes... But as you point out immediately afterwards, you can sure as hell lose.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 02:44:38 PM EST
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... "Come out to Dupont Circle and raise h-e-double toothpicks!" said a caller-in to WPFW 89.3 this morning. Dozens mustered to arrest insurance employees at the Ritz, 10:30am - 14:00pm.

ja. And in other rumor, milleniatti pwnd again.

Tague told students a canard about Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. stepping down, students promptly spread the news into the blogosphere. Later in class, Tague revealed that the tip was false, part of a lesson on credibility...



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 03:08:13 PM EST


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:19:10 PM EST
I like days like that

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:10:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Your laptop is not going to get better.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:42:05 PM EST
Gotta give Kos some serious credit.  Very few people saw Crist's demise coming.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:44:36 PM EST
...adding, the headline numbers (Republican Senate primary):

Rubio 60
Crist 28

Among conservatives within the GOP:

Rubio 71
Crist 17

Crist is the current (very popular) Governor of Florida.  Stunning, really.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 04:47:00 PM EST
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I take it that there isn't a real democrat who stands a chance here.

it's just that the dems do seem to have an issue with defecting repugnicans who turn blue dog DINO in office.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:09:43 PM EST
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Exactly my concern with Crist jumping parties.  

Party labels in the US are rapidly becoming even more meaningless, a development I thought was impossible.  There's every chance Crist could win the Dem primary and go on to win the seat without changing any of his positions, such as they are.  From a governance POV: a disaster.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:16:48 PM EST
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You order a disaster, I give you Florida.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:20:37 PM EST
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Do I get fries with that?

Can I SuperSize®?

Been so busy with other stuff - life, reality, & all that - I haven't been paying attention to the ebbs and swells.  Need to get busy getting informed.  This election year is shaping up to be one massive Charlie Fox for both major parties.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:35:16 PM EST
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I'm with Kos on the election.  I keep hearing through the mainstream press that the Dems are d00m3d, and I'm just not seeing it in the polling.

Gonna lose some seats in the House.  Feels like they lose about 20, leaving them with what would still be a pretty solid majority.  And the 20 losers would mostly be Blue Dogs anyway.

That seems like a decent bet.  And pretty normal, historically.

In the Senate it's much more mixed, because there are many seats in which the Dems have a good a shot at offsetting losses or even making a gain or two, when you take Ohio, Missouri, etc, into account.

In either case, I think you're heading into 2012 with both houses of Congress and probably better than even odds at gaining back much of what you lose and the presidency.

Not a guarantee or a prediction or anything really.  But that's how it feels to me right now.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:49:58 PM EST
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The real Democrat isn't incredibly real.  He's Kendrick Meek, a congressman who got his seat when his mother left office.  He's a DLC legacy admission.

He's also down 20 points in the general against Marco Rubio, the wingnut, and the gap is growing.

His pathetic campaign hasn't helped.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:18:43 PM EST
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Ah yes.  

The OTHER reason the Florida Senate race is a constant source of amusement.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:36:49 PM EST
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Stunning?  Not really.  We know the GOP Wing-Nuts are a fringe on the US political landscape.  This is another bit of evidence.

The question I would now like to know the answer to is if the Tea-Bagging Wing of the GOP is going to be embolden to enter primaries in other districts.  That could get down-right interesting.


No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:10:31 PM EST
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Also, who would have thought our future right wing nationalist party was going to be called the Tea Bag Party?

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:30:45 PM EST
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It's these little political moments Absurdist Street Theater that keeps my interest fresh.

Just can't make this stuff up, can one?

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:42:36 PM EST
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Nate jumps into the UK election.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 05:55:30 PM EST
I look forward to seeing his read of what's going on. But as this'll be his first UK election I'm wondering how much he'll get blind-sided by some of the cultural weird stuff that happens.

Bascially, i'm wondering how much he'll be doing an msm report

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 06:00:16 PM EST
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I suspect he'll do stuff looking at the historical data and building one of his magic models, as he did for the US election.

The cultural stuff is all nice and fun to talk about, but sticking to the numbers is the better way to do it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 06:04:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Agree.

If the model and the numbers plugged into the model are accurate the cultural stuff takes care of itself.


No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 06:18:56 PM EST
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Ooh - polly fun. That's going to be interesting to watch.

I see from YouGov that the current Tory lead is 4-5%.

It takes talent not to be able to win during the worst recession since WWII, against an awesomely unpopular PM who happens to be partly responsible for the recession, and is also a war criminal.

Hats off to Wax-on Wax-off Dave. This can only be a good thing for UK politics.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 06:18:23 PM EST
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It would be one of the most awesomely epic fails in political history if Cameron didn't win this election.

There aren't even words for it.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 06:22:01 PM EST
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But then, having an uncharismatic neoliberal war criminal as the lesser of two evil is quite a fail in itself...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 10:21:08 PM EST
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That's true, but, then again, that's what they've had for the past 13 years anyway.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 04:29:52 AM EST
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Just saw that, at the current trajectory, in a hundred years all of South Florida below Lake Okeechobee will be gone.

Proving once again that Al Gore is fat.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 07:04:50 PM EST
My netbook keyboard suddenly won't type odd numbers between 4 and =. Argh!
by asdf on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:18:41 PM EST
I had a ZX81 that did that.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 02:50:10 AM EST
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A little translation help, if someone would be so kind ...

<<vill ni att jag vänder om>>

is translated by Google as:

"I want you to turn on"

doesn't vänder (to turn back, to return, to the original) + om translate better as "turn back, turn around?"

so this would be better translated as:

"I want [Imperative] you to return"

?

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Tue Mar 9th, 2010 at 11:20:41 PM EST
Playing with it in Google Trans, it looks more like it should be

do you want me to (turn back, return, come back)

Try "vill ni att jag" in GT, it's "do you want me", not "I want you".

(Disclaimer: this is not Swedish For Dummies, it's A Dummy Does Swedish.)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 02:12:24 AM EST
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Thanks (or should I say Tack?)

GT is good for somethings buh-ut ...

Here's what it did to a delightful little song by Astrid Lindgren:

Bom Sicka Bom

Tycker du som jag, så rider vi,
för då känn' för då känn' för då känner jag mej jag mej fri.
Lille häst lille häst vilka skutt du tar,
sitter svans sitt' svans sitt' svansen ändå ändå kvar.
Så far och flyg och ryk och ränn
och bom sicka bom ä du me' på den så spring och skrik
och kom igen och bom sicka bom ut i mässingen,
och tut och tjut och tjosan sen
och bom sicka bom va' de' small i den.
Så far och flyg och ryk och ränn
och bom sicka bom ä du me'på den
och bom sicka bom ä du me'på den
och bom sicka bom ä du me'på den. (Ja!)

here's what it sounds like

And here's what GT made of it:

Do you like me, so we ride,
for then feel 'for which features' because then I know myself I myself free.
Little horse little horse which leaps you take,
sit his tail 'its tail' tail yet still remain.
So father and flight and Ryk and gutters
bom bom sick and you're being me 'on it, run and scream
and came back and boom boom out sick in brass,
and toot and howl and tjosan ago
and sick boom boom va 'de' in the template.
So father and flight and Ryk and gutters
and boom boom you're being sick me'på the
and boom boom you're being sick me'på the
and boom boom you're being sick me'på it. (Yes!)

Yes!  I'm being boom boom sick.

Granted it's 'poetry' but ... still

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Wed Mar 10th, 2010 at 04:13:50 AM EST
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