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Storm in a bowl of cha?

by afew Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 04:40:40 AM EST

Quite a kerfuffle going on about Chinese exports, internal consumption, and currency, no doubt because the US Treasury will publish in mid-April its annual report on other countries' currency policies, in which it may brandish against China the dread category of "currency manipulator". (Not as if the US hasn't long been complicit in the renminbi's dollar peg, but I digress).

Op-eds from Stephen Roach and Jim O'Neill in the FT, cited here recently in the Salon, have offered a position in which China is seen as essentially a future importer, and/or the renminbi is seen as correctly situated with respect to other currencies. Move along, no problems here...

Nouriel Roubini, in an email newsletter excerpting his analysis The U.S.-China Currency and Trade Collision Course (subscribers only), says:

...every year, the United States bases the decision of whether to label China a currency manipulator more on politics than on economic facts...

...There is no doubt that China is manipulating its currency: After re-pegging to the U.S. dollar in the summer of 2008 and accumulating about US$400 billion dollar a year of additional FX reserves (which now stand, in total, near US$2.4 trillion), there is no doubt, from an economic standpoint, that manipulation is taking place. It looks like a duck and acts like a duck—it is clearly a Peking duck.

Hmm, ha-ha, but read on for more of Roubini's case against China's foreign exchange policy...


This year, several factors have increased the likelihood that China will be branded a currency manipulator. First, the U.S. unemployment rate is at almost 10%, and 17% if you include underemployed and discouraged workers. Second, three quarters of the China trade surplus is with the United States. Third, China re-pegged about 20 months ago and shows no signs of wanting to change its currency policy. Fourth, the political pressure from Congress to get tough on China is at an all-time high: A bipartisan group of 130 representatives have signed a letter arguing that it is time to label China a currency manipulator. Meanwhile, the number of protectionist bills against China in Congress is rising. Fifth, in spite of sharply rising unemployment during the recession, the U.S. refrained from taking sharp protectionist actions. The only clear and explicit case of such protectionism was the case against imports of Chinese tires, a fairly minor trade action given the severity of the U.S. recession. In the U.S. view, China abused this restraint by maintaining the peg and increasing its global trade market share, violating the open-trading system and the WTO regime by not showing flexibility on the currency issue to attempt to rectify the trade imbalances.

The sixth and most important reason China is more likely than ever to get the manipulator stamp: The U.S. administration feels that the policy of keeping quiet on China and engaging its leaders privately has failed. The U.S. grudgingly accepted for a while that China was bound to re-peg in the middle of the economic and financial storm of 2008-09, as it was rapidly losing exports and experiencing a sharp growth slowdown. In fact, had China not pegged, the RMB might have depreciated. But by late 2009, China's aggressive policy actions had led to a rapid resumption of economic and export growth and rising inflationary pressures that could have been contained in part via currency appreciation. Thus, one would have expected China to start—or at least start signaling—the resumption of slow appreciation of the RMB. Instead, when Barack Obama went to China late last year he was effectively told to take a hike on the currency issue. He was ridiculed by the Chinese for the U.S. fiscal and current account deficits, as well as the accumulation of public and foreign debt. So it was only after months of quiet diplomacy failed to nudge the Chinese to move that the U.S. administration's patience ran out, and the White House and Congress became publicly vocal on the currency issue.

And Roubini cites, among others, Paul Krugman as being a tough-on-China advocate.

Should we get tough on China? Can we? What methods would be efficient?

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By "we", of course, I'm including Europe with the US.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 04:42:58 AM EST
Aren't European issues with China structurally different than those between amurka and China.  Hasn't the Euro already been under attack for some six months, again changing the game?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 06:22:42 AM EST
As the euro has slid against the USD since the beginning of the year, it has also slid against the CNY (see the ECB site for an interactive graph). A euro bought about 10.3 yuan at the beginning of 2010, now about 9.2 yuan. Making imports from China dearer, exports to China cheaper.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 07:38:52 AM EST
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While the USD - CNY relation has remained stable:

The straight lines are peg-related. The downward curve between 2005 and 2008 corresponds to CNY revaluation after the peg was lifted in 2005. It was reinstated in 2008 (in a slightly fancier way), and today we have a flat straight line.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 09:15:23 AM EST
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That's at Wikimedia Commons.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 09:17:27 AM EST
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Thanks for that chart.

Back in October 2008, before the reestablished peg was evident in the data, I used a similar chart in my diary Musings on the savings-glut theory

... when Wolf claims that this pattern was reinforced by China's choice of an export-oriented development path, partly influenced by fear of what had happened to its neighbours during the Asian crisis, it is worh noting that china established its peg of the Yuan at 8 to the dollar in 1996, and did not change it in response to the Asian Crisis in fact keeping the peg at the same level until 2006.

...

... Wolf continues:

Despite being a huge oil importer, China emerged as the world's biggest surplus country
and the interesting thing is that it appears from other data

that China had been using the dollar peg to manage its exposure to the price of oil, and that it only dropped the dollar peg in 2005 when the dollar started to come under real pressure from oil prices.

The fact that China re-established its peg to the dollar at the end of 2008 might have something to do with the fact that the dollar price of oil collapsed in the middle of 2008 and has hovered around $70 for some time...

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 04:37:32 AM EST
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but do try to negotiate with them to convince them that "some gradual appreciation of the RMB is also in the Chinese interest":

Jim O'Neill: ... at the end of the day, people do what's in their own interest, and it's in China's interest to move the currency, in my opinion.  Not necessarily by a large amount, but in order to create more flexibility for their own monetary policies.

My hunch is that despite being annoyed with Washington, they will do something in the next couple of months.

John Thornhill, FT News Editor:  And what, Nouriel, do you think would happen if the US Treasury does brand China as a currency manipulator?

Nouriel Roubini:  Well, I'm worried that that's going to have a severe effect on financial markets, not because a trade war would start right away -- most likely we would have a period of negotiation -- but certainly every time something happens with China, even an increase in the required reserve ratio, markets are rattled, rightly or wrongly.  The signal they are branded as a manipulator would be a signal maybe there is a trade war between the most important relation in the world, between China and the United States.

And I'll give you one example:  There was twenty plus years ago, a case in which we had a large current account deficit against Japan and Germany, the dollar was weakening, but the Germans and Japanese were resisting, and the US got angry.  And the US Secretary of the Treasury Baker went on TV on a Sunday and said, If you don't let it move, we are going to trade retaliate.  And the next day the stock market crashed 20%; that was the famous crash in October of '87.

So markets are fragile: if you start signaling trade war or actually start trade wars, you don't know what is going to be the reaction of the market.  That's why avoiding this kind of branding as manipulator and trying to negotiate an agreement, and everybody agrees that some gradual appreciation of the RMB is also in the Chinese interest, should be the rational thing to do.

FT video interview with Jim O'Neill and Nouriel Roubini

So O'Neill and Roubini seem to agree so far as that goes.  And despite himself, Stephen Roach's op-ed also supports the argument that China should appreciate the RMB.

The point is not to be right, but to get to right.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 06:54:26 AM EST
Strains Easing, Chinese Leader Plans U.S. Visit - NYTimes.com 1:53 AM ET

President Obama and President Hu Jintao spoke for an hour by phone and expressed a desire for healthier ties.

For now, the United States is setting aside potentially the most divisive issue in the relationship, deferring a decision on whether to accuse China of manipulating its currency, the renminbi, until well after Mr. Hu's visit, according to a senior administration official. That decision, the official said, reflects a judgment that threatening China is not the best way to persuade it to allow the renminbi to appreciate against the dollar.

Many economists expect China to act on its own to loosen the tight link of the renminbi to the dollar -- a policy that keeps the currency's value depressed and makes China's exports more competitive in global markets.

despite domestic political pressure:

Still, the administration's decision not to force the currency issue now could carry political risks at home. Lawmakers on Capitol Hill have introduced legislation calling for trade sanctions against China if it does not change its currency policy. And unions and manufacturers cite the undervalued Chinese currency as a major culprit for lost jobs.


The point is not to be right, but to get to right.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 07:59:30 AM EST
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NYT:
Many economists expect China to act on its own to loosen the tight link of the renminbi to the dollar -- a policy that keeps the currency's value depressed and makes China's exports more competitive in global markets.

Many economists tell many fairy tales...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 08:23:16 AM EST
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There is this from the March 25th NYT:

China Officials Wrestle Publicly Over Currency

BEIJING -- Signs are emerging of conflicting views among China's leaders over whether to allow the country's currency to rise against the dollar. The current drama began on March 6 when the governor of China's central bank stunned analysts by saying that the bank's policy of keeping the renminbi at a constant exchange rate against the dollar was a "special" response to the global financial crisis.

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The conflict, which has broken into rare public view, seems to be mainly between China's central bank and its Commerce Ministry. But how it is eventually resolved could decide the course of trade tensions between China and the United States.

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The new description suggested to many economists that the current value of the renminbi was temporary and that the central banker, Zhou Xiaochuan, was preparing the Chinese public for a stronger renminbi.

But other Chinese officials, particularly at the Commerce Ministry, have fought back in the last two weeks, stoking nationalism and anti-American sentiment by loudly declaring that China would not be told what to do by the United States.

"It seems like they are talking from different perspectives," said Li Wei, the director of the American studies department at the Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, speaking of the Chinese officials. He added that he supported the Chinese government's overall stance of resisting American pressure.


Translation: In China only western appeasing central bankers foolishly concerned with the mighty surging Chinese economy would consider yielding to pressure from the feckless US Government. Until and unless senior government leaders come to the support of the central bank the peg will hold. The central bank is reluctant to speak out publicly and Commerce officials can do so with impunity. If Commerce relents, they would at least share blame for any negative consequences. If they "stay the course" and the economy crashes, they probably (correctly) think the central bank will get most of the blame.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:14:41 AM EST
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There was twenty plus years ago, a case in which we had a large current account deficit against Japan and Germany, the dollar was weakening, but the Germans and Japanese were resisting, and the US got angry.  And the US Secretary of the Treasury Baker went on TV on a Sunday and said, If you don't let it move, we are going to trade retaliate.  And the next day the stock market crashed 20%; that was the famous crash in October of '87.

Oh for pete's sake.  Talk about post hoc ergo promptor hoc.

The '87 crash was caused by (1) projected returns of stocks versus US Treasury Bonds and (2) automatic trading systems.  

The week before the crash 30 year Treasuries had gone to 10%.  When that happened the weighting of treasuries versus stocks within the 'where should we put our money' decision making processes within the computer trading system flipped from "Stocks" to "Bonds."  Everybody flooded the system with "Sell" orders and initiated a positive feedback loop as stock prices fell making bonds that much more attractive, and down she went.

US/China trade was negligible in '87.
 

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 03:02:59 PM EST
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that your comment complements his main point:

So markets are fragile.

Your comment explains why they were so fragile at that particular time in 1987 -- and careless "signals" unleashed the deluge.  A case could be made that a similar fragility in the markets exist today, and therefore caution should be taken in the sorts of "signals" that are given by powerful politicians and bureaucrats.

Or maybe Roubini just doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.

The point is not to be right, but to get to right.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 04:34:32 AM EST
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Maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about, or maybe having a hammer all he sees are nails...

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 04:39:01 AM EST
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marco:
but do try to negotiate with them to convince them that "some gradual appreciation of the RMB is also in the Chinese interest":

Let's certainly try, but AFAIK currency policy has very often been a matter of ideology throughout history.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 03:35:25 PM EST
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EU 'imports' a third of its carbon emissions

EU emissions are much higher if goods made overseas are included
Rich countries including several EU nations are "importing" about a third of their CO2 emissions, says a study.

US-based researchers used a global trade database to track goods and services, and assigned emissions to the countries where they were used. Nearly a quarter of China's emissions come from goods exported to the West.

Writing in the journal PNAS, the researchers say this is an ethical reason why rich countries should lead global attempts to cut emissions. "We expected to find this net flow from developing countries to the developed world," said lead researcher Steve Davis.
"But what stood out was how much of the global flow is accounted for by bilateral trade between China and the US."

China recently passed the US to become the most highly-emitting country. But 22.5% of China's emissions are generated during production of goods and services consumed overseas, and 7.8% are embodied in exports to the US alone.



Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:22:20 AM EST
It is well known that a large fraction of the overdeveloped world's ecological footprint actually consumes biocapacity in the places where we import our consumer goods from and export our pollution to...

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 04:30:52 AM EST
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More Evidence of Lack of Competitiveness of Many Chinese Exporters


From Bloomberg (hat tip reader Michael):


The profits of China's makers of household appliances, automobiles and cell phones may plunge by between 30 percent and 50 percent if the Chinese currency were to strengthen by 3 percent, according to a state media report.

Small and medium-size exporters with low price-negotiating powers will face losses and may even go out of business, according to the Xinhua News Agency's Economic Information Daily newspaper, citing the results of a "stress test."

"The ultimate result of a currency that strengthens too quickly and by too much may be the irreversible damage to our economic structure, rather than improving our economic structure," the report said.

Yves here. A 30% to 50% fall in profits on a mere 3% rise in the RMB (already an admission that they compete only on price), says their margins are unhealthy even with the benefit of a cheap RMB.

by Detlef (Detlef1961_at_yahoo_dot_de) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 12:32:04 PM EST
And those low on the totem pole will disproportionately take the hit in the coming increase in steel prices as the almost doubling of iron ore costs ripples through manufacturing costs, as they have the least pricing power. Could be shake-out time in China, especially, due to the large number of small manufacturers.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 03:49:56 PM EST
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Who was it that invested in Swedish iron mines a couple of years back?  I confess I thought it was a bit weird, at the time, and, I think, I even said so.

My bad.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 05:52:15 PM EST
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At this rate even bog iron might make a comeback!

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 06:02:45 PM EST
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You mean after 40 years my eddimacation in Bronze and Pre-Roman Iron Age Scandinavian Studies may Pay Off!?!

WOW!  

lol

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 06:11:18 PM EST
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Hope springs eternal in the human breast

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Apr 2nd, 2010 at 10:11:04 PM EST
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Could be shake-out time in China

The Yuan has a long way to appreciate against the dollar to increase their bidding power for raw materials.

I linked to the FT's front page story on this in the Salon last week:

FT.com: Steel prices set to soar on iron ore deal
The deal by Vale of Brazil and Anglo-Australian BHP Billiton with Japanese and Chinese mills marks the end of the 40-year-old benchmark system of annual contracts and lengthy price negotiations. The industry instead agreed to move to quarterly contracts linked to the nascent iron ore spot market.

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The new system is a response to last year's stalemate in the negotiations between miners and Chinese steelmakers, when both sides were unable to reach an agreement on annual prices. The balance of pricing power has shifted in the miners' favour due to the emergence of China as a voracious consumer over the past 10 years.

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The new price system will lift the cost of iron ore to Asian steelmakers to about $110-$120 a tonne during the April-June period, up between 80 and 100 per cent from the $60-a-tonne level at which the 2009-10 annual contracts were settled.

A triumph for the financial market paradigm and the quarterly view of economic planning.

The story does say that Brazilian and Anglo-Australian miners could not agree on prices with Chinese and Japanese manufacturers and the miners won, so it would seem that Chinese manufacturers lost out.


The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 04:04:43 AM EST
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See my diary What China wants from two weeks ago (March 14th, 2010)
... during NPC sessions the Chinese leadership holds press conferences with foreign reporters, and this is one of the few opportunities Western reporters have of asking unscripted questions of the Chinese leadership.
This press conference happened yesterday and is being covered by the international press, with varying focus. ...

...

The gist of the economic comments, the way I interpret them, is that China thinks they have the US over a barrel because of the latter's debt, and they are willing to use their massive reserves as leverage to force the US into technology transfer to China. ...

Let's see how this saga is playing out by the end of the month...

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 04:14:50 AM EST
U.S. delays China yuan ruling ahead of Hu visit | Reuters

(Reuters) - Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said on Saturday he was delaying an April 15 report on whether China manipulates its currency but pledged to press for a more flexible Chinese currency policy.

China

The decision follows Thursday's announcement in Beijing that Chinese President Hu Jintao will attend a nuclear security summit meeting in Washington April 12-13 and seemed to be a tactic to keep tensions over currency in check.

The Obama administration is seeking broad global support for measures to curb Iran's nuclear ambitions, making it an inconvenient time to risk inflaming the political dispute over China's currency policy.

Analysts said it would have been "a slap in the face" to Beijing if Washington had labeled China a currency manipulator days after Hu's visit.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Apr 3rd, 2010 at 03:42:18 PM EST
FT.com: China set for renminbi policy shift (April 7 2010)
A senior government economist told reporters in Beijing yesterday China could widen the daily trading band for the renminbi and allow it to resume the gradual appreciation it halted in July 2008 in response to the global credit crisis,

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Speaking at a press briefing organised by the Foreign Ministry, Mr Ba said the current peg was a temporary emergency measure that would be abolished at some point.

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Both sides have made conciliatory gestures following months of strained relations, with the US delaying a decision on China as a currency manipulator and Beijing moving diplomatically in tandem with Washington on Iran and nuclear security.



The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Apr 7th, 2010 at 04:40:30 AM EST


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