UK Elections: the Coalition Government

by Migeru
Thu May 13th, 2010 at 07:22:21 AM EST

The Coalition Agreement between the Lib Dems and the Tories has been published.

Looking at the Lib Dem Blogs aggregator, the mood seems to be cautiously positive, with some important endorsements such as Craig Murray (in his case almost entirely on the Civil Liberties part of the deal).

This Scottish MP candidate lists all the Lib Dem manifesto items which are included in the agreement (a list distributed by email to members by the party Chief Executive, Chris Fox) on: education, fair taxation and economic reform, political reform, sustainability, pensions and civil liberties; ending with

that is a great deal there to be proud of. I'm somewhat upset that more of our fair start for children proposals don't appear on this list especially the things that many young families were so enthused about like shared parental leave. Maybe we'll just have to lobby Iain Duncan Smith about going further.

frontpaged with minor edit - Nomad


See also a note from Lynne Featherstone MP: Strange Bedfellows
I was very keen on opening up talks with Labour as, like many others, I had a long cherished vision of a realignment of the left of politics and a progressive alliance. Those talks were opened on that request.

Given most people will now have seen the events unfurl - it became clear that Labour either didn't wish to realign with us or were not capable of doing so - even though Gordon Brown stepped aside to make it possible. To all those who are angry about a coalition with the Conservative - why not email Labour to ask why they didn't want to offer a viable alternative?

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This is uncharted territory - and all I can say is that if low earners are taken out of income tax, our children in Haringey get fair funding, we move to a sustainable green economy and politics is reformed - then that is a deal worth doing.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 03:29:02 PM EST
Currently at the top of Lib Dem Blogs, a post critical of the lack of gender balance in the new cabinet.

Heled Duffett: Where's the coalition of the sexes?

With most of the key cabinet posts now announced, and other positions coming at a trickle, the new government so far looks overwhelmingly male.

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I dislike tokenism - the best person should have the job. But I'd be surprised if all the male Conservative MPs were better qualified for cabinet posts than all the female MPs, whether Conservative or Liberal Democrat.

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After all the media focus on the leaders' wives during the election campaign it would be especially fitting to see elected women making a real difference in government.



The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 03:32:26 PM EST
tbh apart from the leader's wives, women were airbrushed out of the campaign almost completely. theresa may suddenly appeared after the polls closed like they'd finally let her out of the cupboard she'd been locked in for a month.

Absolutely disgraceful behaviour by all three parties.

Seems like the boys have decided that Serious Politics has to be done by Serious People, where women don't count as Serious.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 11:22:48 AM EST
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thefword:  Cabinet so far, so white, so male
http://www.thefword.org.uk/blog/2010/05/cabinet_so_far

UPDATE: Theresa May named as Home Secretary... and Minister for Women & Equality (@newsaboutwomen quips "I wonder why she's expected to do two jobs? Is she going to be Minister for Women in her spare time, when she's not Home Sec"). Also see May's abysmal voting record.


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by metavision on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 07:12:15 PM EST
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A random Lib Dem Blogs post summarizes the situation like this: Didn't they do well?
The agreement includes an awful lot of Lib Dem policies, including lots of versions of what appeared in our top 4: more money for disadvantaged children, lots on sustainability, lots on fairness in tax.

But just how this all works will only be revealed in the fullness of time.

And certainly many of us have grave concerns about what happens next. Can the Tory right really be kept happy with the agreement? And the Lib Dem left? and our own members?



The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 03:39:47 PM EST
In many ways I am shocked at the lack of concrete details of the agreement.  Given that it was likely compiled by trawling through the Con and Lib Dem manifesto proposals and including all that was agreeable, covering what was not agreeable with suitably vague language, and including a few areas of active disagreement to keep the partisans on both sides happy, it seems a poor return on a few days work by policy specialists.

The devil is always in the detail of these things and how generic aspirations are actually implemented.  Without a lot more detail cast in stone the Lib Dems are hostage to the Tory's good faith and unwillingness to use their majority to ram things through cabinet.

It all still reads like a composite election manifesto than an actual five year programme for Government.  Governing is about more than PR and policy implementation is about more than vague aspirations.  I suspect that the Lib Dems inexperience of Government will cost them as times moves on, events take their toll, and the Civil Service meat grinder turns all their grand aspirations (limited as they are) into paltry tokenism.

The other thing that bothers me is Clegg's lack of a substantive portfolio with a serious department to back him up.  Other Senior Lib Dems have done well to get strong portfolios - Business and Banking (Cable), Environment and Climate Change (Huhne) and Treasury (Laws).  But 5 out of 22 isn't much and what substantive policy role will Clegg have - or is he just the front of house PR guy?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 04:37:36 PM EST
Governing is about more than PR

What gave you that Unserious idea?

and policy implementation is about more than vague aspirations.

What, no hope and change?

- Jake

"Terraforming your own planet to make it uninhabitable hardly counts as epic win." - ThatBritGuy

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 04:43:03 PM EST
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What, no hope and change?

The change will be a Tory government with fire in their eyes for any slob making less than £100,000/year.

The hope seems to be this government will soon be one with Nineveh and Tyre.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 04:51:29 PM EST
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JakeS:
What, no hope and change?

Read all about it here!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 05:10:28 PM EST
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This "coalition" came because the Tories had to do it.

Parties in the UK, as I grasp the matter, are not used to and nor do they want multi-party government.  Thus, neither side is knowledgeable or skilled in the necessary to-and-fro required for a stable multi-party government.  It goes against the grain.

OK, if that is so then it's possible to predict the Tories will run the government as if they had a majority and the Lib/Dems can suck it.  Clegg, the dumbass, has come into government and, to some extent, has to make it work in order to build the perception the LD is a Serious Party© or at least a Serious coalition partner.

That implies, to me, he is going to have to support essentially Tory policies and legislation.  The obvious danger is building belief in the general voter's mind 'A vote for Lib/Dem is a vote for the Tories.'  Something Labour should be licking their chops over.  

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 04:47:47 PM EST
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well Apparently there will be a civil service policy book that will be out in a couple of days with more concrete details

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 04:55:50 PM EST
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Who gets to introduce legislation? Is it the responsibility of the respective minister/secretary?

In that case one might expect the five lib dems in the cabinet to push the parts of the coalition agreement falling under their brief. Supposedly Clegg does have a large brief including overseeing electoral reform. Then there's banking reform (Cable) and energy and environment (Huhne). Question: what does the "Chief Secretary to the Treasury" do and how does that relate with the Chancellor's portfolio? If the Chancellor does the budget, what does Laws get to do from his Treasury position? Finally, what can be expected of Danny Alexander as Scottish Secretary?

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 05:53:49 PM EST
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Apparently Laws' job is primarily about controlling Departmental budgets which means he will become known as the "Minister for cuts" whilst Osborne at least gets credit for some tax cuts and any economic growth...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 06:48:53 PM EST
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I just love the libdem idea that the first 10,000 pounds of salary should be tax-free. And the fact that the tories have agreed to realise this policy gradually, supposedly during the next 5 years.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 06:45:19 PM EST
You can see the current tax allowances here
Income Tax allowances table
Income Tax allowances 2008-09 2009-10 2010-11
Personal Allowance (1) £6,035 £6,475 £6,475
Income limit for Personal Allowance Not applicable Not applicable £100,000
Personal Allowance for people aged 65-74 (1)(2) £9,030 £9,490 £9,490
Personal Allowance for people aged 75 and over (1)(2) £9,180 £9,640 £9,640
Married Couple's Allowance (born before 6th April 1935 but aged under 75) (2)(3)(4) £6,535 Not applicable Not applicable
Married Couple's Allowance - aged 75 and over (2)(3) £6,625 £6,965 £6,965
Income limit for age-related allowances £21,800 £22,900 £22,900
Minimum amount of Married Couple's Allowance £2,540 £2,670 £2,670
Blind Person's Allowance £1,800 £1,890 £1,890

(1) From the 2010-11 tax year the Personal Allowance reduces where the income is above £100, 000 - by £1 for every £2 of income above the £100,000 limit. This reduction applies irrespective of age.

(2) These allowances reduce where the income is above the income limit - by £1 for every £2 of income above the limit. For the 2008-09 and 2009-10 tax years they will never be less than the basic Personal Allowance or minimum amount of Married Couple's Allowance. However, from the 2010-11 tax year the Personal Allowance for people aged 65 to 74 and 75 and over can be reduced below the basic Personal Allowance where the income is above £100,000.

(3) Tax relief for the Married Couple's Allowance is given at the rate of 10 per cent.

(4) In the 2009-10 tax year all Married Couple's Allowance claimants in this category will become 75 at some point during the year and will therefore be entitled to the higher amount of the allowance - for those aged 75 and over.



The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 07:01:46 PM EST
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Anybody know who the 5th. Lib Dem cabinet Minister is?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 06:50:44 PM EST
Clegg-Huhne-Cable-Laws-Alexander, which one you missing?

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 06:53:46 PM EST
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oops - I clearly can't count as I had included all of the above!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 06:58:41 PM EST
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Clegg (which means "slime" or "gunk" in Swedish), Cable, Huhne, Alexander, Laws.

I for one look forward to seeing Hague as Foreign Secretary, that certainly is a man with the gift of speech who is due for a comeback.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 06:54:05 PM EST
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Who are the key Lib Dems to miss out - Simon Hughes?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 06:59:41 PM EST
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It appears the Lib Dem negotiating team was led by Danny Alexander, and included Laws, Huhne and Andrew Stunnell. Stunnell didn't get a cabinet post.

Must be that Hughes was not part of Clegg's trusted circle.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 07:08:33 PM EST
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Also, the number of cabinet positions (5) is roughly proportional to the 57:307 MP ratio if you include the 6 people "also attending cabinet" (wikipedia list).

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 02:12:37 AM EST
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Bankers tighten their grip
http://www.debtonation.org/2010/05/bankers-tighten-their-grip/#more-3996

Now, in my book the most obvious candidate for the job of Chancellor, or Chief Secretary to the Treasury,  was surely Vince Cable, a man credited for his prescience in predicting the financial crisis, respected for his ongoing analysis of that crisis and regarded as a "scourge of City `fat cats'."

Why was he shunted across to the toothless Department of Business, Innovation and Skills? And why was a man who until now has had absolutely no record of speaking out on the financial crisis, elevated to a powerful post at the Treasury?

Could it be that Vince Cable is unacceptable to the City? That he was likely to threaten the oligarchical role of the British banking community, and their grip on the UK Treasury?
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With a totally inexperienced and economically inept Old Etonian in charge: with David Laws playing the role of decoy in this proposed Great Bank Robbery, and aided and abetted  by subservient economists, the Treasury remains within the firm grip of Britain's most powerful oligarchy.



Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.
by metavision on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 07:27:33 PM EST
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good catch, mv.

"Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do." Jim Hightower
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 08:27:43 PM EST
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But surely the Chancellors job is to represent the "City's" interests to the country, and not the countries' interest to the City?  Osborne is their man in the Cabinet whereas Cable is the token populist...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:20:11 AM EST
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See also Profiles: The Liberal Democrat, Conservative and Labour negotiators from The Guardian.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:28:40 AM EST
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Pick your favourites from the Liberal Democrat Front-bench team (Wikipedia)

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 07:16:06 PM EST
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Any you would have a high regard for?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 07:55:04 PM EST
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It would have been nice to see Sarah Teather or Lynne Featherstone getting a cabinet post.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 02:06:47 AM EST
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I found a non-scientific poll of Lib Dem activists...

Liberal Democrat Voice: What Lib Dem members think about talking to the Tories: LDV poll results (10 May 2010)

Lib Dem Voice has been conducting a survey today of party members registered on our members' forum asking them for their views of the discussions that have been taking place between the Lib Dems and the Conservatives. Here's what you've told us ...

  • 89% support Nick Clegg's decision to let the party with the most votes and most seats try and form a government;
  • 90% support Nick Clegg's decision to enter into discussions with the Conservative party on that basis;
  • 80% say that significant progress on electoral reform is a deal-breaker;
  • 98% rate Nick Clegg's performance during the campaign as effective or very effective, with Vince Cable scoring 85%.


The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 07:11:49 PM EST
Yeah, I saw this, too.  I suspect the pollsters will deliver some proper polling on this in the next few days.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed May 12th, 2010 at 07:22:36 PM EST
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If this gig does not work out he could probably become minister-president van Nederland.

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by RogueTrooper on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 07:59:44 AM EST
I think Lib Dem fortunes live or die on three issues:

  1. If they get a referendum on AV and win it, that will help them along as a party, (and the proposals for the elected 2nd Chamber don't hurt either). Of course, if they get AV, it's unlikely Britain will get any further down the electoral reform route for another 100 years or so.

  2. If Cable can push real banking reform that's a real vote-winner, in addition to being incredibly important.

  3. In the long term, if they can push the greening of the economy that is of course vital for the country, but the electoral payback may take a long time...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 11:03:35 AM EST
the proposals for the elected 2nd Chamber don't hurt either

It appears that the proposal is AV for the Commons and PR for the Lords. That seems like a sensible thing to so since electing both houses by the same method at the same time just duplicates the composition and is a waste.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 11:27:21 AM EST
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So will we have one list for the Queen, one list for the Aristocracy, one list for the Church of England, and one list for the plebs?  After all, why replicate the part system in the second house either?  :-/

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:26:35 AM EST
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Indeed.
Shame about the Magna Carta. Without that, Britain might have had a proper revolution like the rest of the world, and it wouldn't still be essentially feudal.


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by Number 6 on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 06:21:42 AM EST
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According to Deborah Orr in the Guardian (an LDP member) AV is not much of an improvement, if any, over FPTP. The goal is STV and they don't think the stepping stone idea works cos it doubles the cost of introduction without really helping along the way.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 11:45:53 AM EST
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AV is only different from STV for multi-member constituencies which I don't think are in the cards for the UK in any case.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 11:53:51 AM EST
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... since it as replacing a clearly archaic institution with a new one. And there's no argument that amplifying majorities is a good thing, since its a House of Review rather than a House of Government.

Regional PR with 10% or higher thresholds would be my first guess.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 07:27:37 PM EST
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Or is this an opportunity to revisit the West Lothian question and have a separate list for each of England, Scotland, Wales, and North East Ireland (and a proportionately larger list for England).

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:31:56 AM EST
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I would elevate the London Assembly to the same level as the other devolved assemblies and make "England" "England minus London".

It is very unfortunate that New Labour botched devolution by defining the English regions top-down rather than bottom up, thus having them fail.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:33:50 AM EST
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All of the UK already has a well defines local Government system, so why not define constituencies by County (which have many traditional and practical identifiers) and only combine Counties where a low population would result in a constituency having less that (say) 3 seats.  Effectively that used to be the case in Ireland, although boundaries have been mucked about since.  Cities could be subdivided into more than one constituency where they exceed (say) 5 seats to retain some level of local identification with candidates.  The larger the constituency, the more it favours larger nationally organised parties over local or single issue candidates with lesser funding/organisation.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:53:26 AM EST
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On the other hand, the fewer the seats per constituency, the harder for national minor parties to get representation - there was a big difference in the Australian Senate when they went from 5 Senators elected per state each election to 6 elected per state each election, and 7 would be even more dramatic.

So I might put the lower threshold at 4 and the upper threshold at 7 before subdividing down to four each.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 12:25:30 PM EST
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That's what I meant by regional - Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, Southeast, London, Southwest, East, East Midlands, West Midlands, Yorkshire and the Humber, Northeast, Northwest.

The regions for England have already been defined. Only London has its own elected assembly, while the others recently had their assemblies stripped from them and replaced with Local Authorities Leadership Boards.

The regions are already the English constituencies in the European parliament.

Unless it is separate PR in Wales and Scotland, the regional parties won't go along. Having it by regions in England itself makes Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland as distinct regions just "more of the same".

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 12:13:03 PM EST
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AV is already a big improvement by removing the "spoiler effect" and allowing people to vote their true first preference while voting for the lesser evil in their second preference.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu May 13th, 2010 at 11:56:22 AM EST
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In practice it doesn't eliminate tactical voting though.  For instance, in my own (multi-seat STV) constituency, I would vote first for a local independent, second for a Green, third for Labour, and possibly forth for the lesser of two evils (Fianna Fail/Fine Gael) knowing full well that the Independent and the Green will be eliminated, that my vote will probably help elect the Labour candidate, and failing that (or in the event of the Labour candidate already having a quota) elect the lesser evil.  In that way I can encourage the development of local community politics, the Green Party, and Labour whilst at the same time ensuring that the worst candidate/party has a lesser chance of getting in.  Effectively my vote is counted 3/4 times and has a role in determining the final seat.  In other words it helps shape the development of politics long term, helps shape choices, but is ultimately determinant.  

It encourages the participation of minor parties//candidates, and of voters who might otherwise say "a plague on all your houses" as there is no candidate that remotely reflects their views.  Of course in a 5 seat constituency, it is also quite possible for a candidate with less than 10% of first preferences to get elected provided they can pull in enough second and lower preference votes as other candidates are eliminated.

Extremist parties parties do less well as they get lesser transfers of lower preference votes (many people will never give a preference to e.g. Sinn Fein or Fianna Fail) but an outstanding candidate, e.g. Joe Higgins of the tiny Socialist Party can get elected.

Of course such a system is hopelessly complicated for the Brits and really only suitable for the Irish...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 04:44:12 AM EST
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A second preference vote is simpler, and likely simple enough for even the English electorate. Vote X for the one you want and 2 for the Lesser of Two Evils.

If the first preferences are also used as the vote for a party list in a PR component (either mixed representation or House of Lords), there's an even stronger incentive to keep your LOTE vote as your 2 vote.

And its a lot easier to announce 2nd Pref, Instant Run-off votes on the night than Full Preference, Alternative Vote.


Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri May 14th, 2010 at 12:16:47 PM EST
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I tend to think there is one ideal voting system we must all seek, like a Grail, but your post makes me wonder if a certain amount of cultural relativism might be appropriate.

I have a particular hatred for STV (complicated, non-transparent, open to manipulation by the major parties), largely based on Australia, where it's an unmitigated failure in terms of boosting representivity. But that's perhaps because Australians are particularly (bites tongue and does not type "stupid") lazy about politics, they expect the major parties to be cynical and corrupt, and in their majority they play along with them. This is worsened by the fact that voting is compulsory, so that large numbers of people who really don't give a toss turn up and tick the box for a party's rort ticket.

The Irish counter-example is fascinating.

by eurogreen on Sun May 16th, 2010 at 06:19:41 AM EST
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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 06:48:52 PM EST
Frank Field defects to be the nation's 'Poverty Tsar' | Mail Online

Former Labour Minister Frank Field is to `defect' to David Cameron's new coalition Government by taking on the role of Britain's `Poverty Tsar', it was revealed last night.

Social conservative Mr Field is to lead a major review into poverty as part of Mr Cameron's promise to tackle what he calls `Broken Britain' - social breakdown, rising crime and the benefits dependency culture.

The move is a major boost in Mr Cameron's attempt to show that his new Liberal-Conservative coalition can command the support of elements of the Labour Party.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 06:49:43 PM EST
The Commons returns to work on Tuesday. Its first job must be to get rid of Speaker Bercow | Mail Online

It is well known that the election of John Bercow as Speaker last year provoked a considerable amount of ill-feeling in the House of Commons.

Chosen almost entirely by the Labour Party, his election was not a vote of confidence in the man, but was used in the words of a Labour whip to `stick it to the Tories'.

On Tuesday, the House will return to business and the first job of all MPs will be to re-elect the Speaker of the House.

We will be summoned by Black Rod to the House of Lords, to hear a commission read out, instructing us to go back to the Commons and elect a Speaker. We will then take our seats and a backbencher will propose that we appoint Mr Bercow to the Speaker's chair.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 06:51:11 PM EST
Some suggestions that if  it happens that the speaker gets thrown out, then the new one would possibly be Ming

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 06:52:54 PM EST
Interesting how people unfamiliar with British politics wouldn't understand that at all. I've lived here five years and I still did a double take.

I did like Max von Sydow in this role, so it would be nice to see him again. Perhaps we could get Christopher Lee as Black Rod, and we have to have Brian Blessed back. Who would play Flash, though?

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by Number 6 on Mon May 17th, 2010 at 06:04:59 AM EST
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Well if Brian was given a role it would have to be DEPUTY SPEAKER

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon May 17th, 2010 at 06:16:45 AM EST
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INDEED. I mean, indeed.


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by Number 6 on Mon May 17th, 2010 at 06:21:34 AM EST
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Leaked memo reveals what Whitehall really thinks of its new masters - Telegraph

The documents, instructing senior officials at the Department of Communities and Local Government how to woo their new bosses, give a checklist of what are called "hot button", Tory-friendly words, to be dropped into conversation whenever possible. These include "families," "radical," "neighbourhoods" and "progressive."

The briefing - to be kept strictly from ministers - shows that DCLG officials are worried about their new bosses. "Do they like us? Want to work with us?" it asks, adding: "There may be challenge over our part in what they see as failed policies/ delivery

To overcome this, civil servants are told to "talk of efficiencies / value for money without prompting" and advised to deploy blatant flattery, with suggested phrases including: "Congratulations! I had so much confidence in you, I might get complacent!"

The documents order mandarins to "smile!... Lean forward!... Be interesting!" They are told to engage in "supportive listening," and "take cues from the Secretary of State." Officials are advised that "eye contact [is] the real currency."



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 06:56:14 PM EST
Another great tactic is to first appear to be sceptical, but then gradually be 'won over'.

'OBE, Humphrey.'

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by Number 6 on Mon May 17th, 2010 at 06:06:50 AM EST
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Who should be voting on electoral reform? « Dr Aust's Spleen

PPS An interesting game for conoisseurs of British political "third party" trivia is to spot the former SDP members in the current cabinet. Interestingly, they are by no means all to be found among the Lib Dems. As best I can tell, the list is as follows (Cabinet Ministers in bold):

Ex-SDP Tories:

Andrew Lansley (Sec State, Health), Greg Clark (Minister, Decentralisation), Chris Grayling (Minister at Dept of Work & Pensions), Stephen O'Brien (Minister at Dept for Int'l Development).

And ex-SDP Lib Dems:

Vince Cable (Sec State, Business), Chris Huhne (Sec State, Energy & Climate Change), (Lord) Tom McNally (Minister of State, Ministry of Justice) Paul Burstow (Minister at Dept of Health)



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat May 15th, 2010 at 07:09:05 PM EST
+++ Lib Dem special conference overwhelmingly approves Lib Dem / Conservative coalition agreement
Estimates in the hall, where about 1,500 Lib Dem members debated the coalition, suggested that about 50 conference representatives voted against the motion endorsing the agreement: the rest of the hundreds eligible to vote were all in favour.

Here's some of what Lib Dem Leader and Deputy Prime Minister, Nick Clegg, had to say immediately after the vote:

It is five days since I accepted the position of Deputy Prime Minister. Just five days, and we now know there will be no ID cards, no third runway at Heathrow, no more fingerprinting in schools without parents' consent, no more child detention.

"Changes Liberal Democrats have spent months, years, campaigning for, are happening. Promises we were making to people on their doorsteps just a few weeks ago are becoming realities.



By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon May 17th, 2010 at 06:59:28 AM EST


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