UK Election Grand Finale Open Thread

by Migeru
Tue May 4th, 2010 at 04:48:08 AM EST

Are we there yet?


Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password

Display:
By popular request.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 04:48:40 AM EST
I thank you

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:09:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
FT.com: Clegg open to talks with Cameron (May 3 2010)
Nick Clegg, Liberal Democrat leader, on Monday held open the prospect of talks with David Cameron in a hung parliament after he said that a commitment to electoral reform was not a "precondition" to any deal.
Say it isn't so!
Mr Clegg said it was vital that all parties worked together to address Britain's £163bn deficit and warned Mr Cameron that he would be taking grave risks if he attempted to do it alone.

"I think that's a recipe for profound political and social tensions," he told the Financial Times, arguing that a minority Tory administration would have to reach out to other parties.




The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 04:50:53 AM EST
What's-a-going on here? Just a week ago,

The Independent: Clegg: Electoral reform a 'pre-condition for renewal' (26 April 2010)

Liberal Democrat leader Nick Clegg indicated that a deal on proportional representation would be essential to any pact if his party holds the balance of power, describing it as an "absolute pre-condition" for renewal of Britain.

At a press conference at Conservative HQ in London, David Cameron avoided making an explicit commitment to preserving first-past-the-post voting for Westminster elections when pressed on the issue this morning.

But the Conservative leader made clear he does not want to ditch the existing system. And he made it more difficult for himself to strike any eventual deal with Lib Dems by saying a change to PR would be "a big, big mistake for this country".



The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 04:53:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Hmm... posh boy speaks with forked tongue...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:18:32 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The truth is that, if the numbers are right, any of the three major British parties is capable of making a deal with any of the others.

A Conservative/Labour coalition or understanding is by no means impossible. Such arrangements have been seen in English local government.

An arrangement between Brown and Cameron may have the merit (for Brown and Cameron) of letting both men retain their party leadership (despite a weak election performance). It also spreads the blame, if the government is going to do unpopular things. Above all, it means no need to compromise with the Liberal Democrats on electoral reform.

I would not be at all surprised to see a grand coalition emerging from this election.

by Gary J on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:26:31 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm starting to run out of stamina.
2 more days and the talking stops... 3 more days until we find out if we're doomed to Tory government...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:19:34 AM EST
And to find out just how perverse the UK's electoral system is.
by IdiotSavant on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:46:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Those of us who've been here for a number of elections already know the answer to that: very.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:49:33 AM EST
[ Parent ]
... even more perverse.

Oh, that reminds me, its primary day in Ohio! Hurray!

Today I cast a Democratic primary ballot in the state-funded election to select candidates for "those" {cough two cough} parties that meet the thresholds for state-funded primaries.

Utsukushikereba sore de ii

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:22:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
and another month to prise Brown's hands off the levers of power.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:22:37 AM EST
[ Parent ]
How I will vote... « The New Adventures of Stephen Fry
It's none of your business. How you will vote is none of my business. This country cannot proceed along any lines that make sense or promise hope unless we can all get along no matter how we vote and unless we respect the primacy of the secret ballot. Having said which, open and free discussion of the people, parties and policies up for consideration is all part of democracy too.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:52:21 AM EST
Armando Iannucci: The Duffy affair turned the media into a pack of shrieking gibbons - Commentators, Opinion - The Independent

Every election has its FFS moment. That's the point when normal politics is disrupted by an event so stupid it makes me swear at the telly a lot. The FFS moment is usually something that's got nothing to do with the issues and everything to do with the media being so bored that they suddenly get very very excited indeed over something like Labour's Party Political Broadcast about Jennifer's ear in 1992 (remember that?) or John Prescott thumping someone for having the audacity to wear a mullet in 2002. These moments when they happen are often described as the "defining" moment of the campaign, generate a lot of headlines and then go on to have no influence on the eventual outcome whatsoever.

I thought this election was going to be different. The seriousness of the financial meltdown that is its background noise, coupled with the dominant and obviously historic position of the live televised debates within it, seemed to be enough to feed the media beast. The closeness in the polls, and Clegg's sudden rise to the role of Kingmaker Apparent (remember that?) was all the excitement we needed.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:53:21 AM EST
Every election has its FFS moment. That's the point when normal politics is disrupted by an event so stupid it makes me swear at the telly a lot.

I believe we call these moments "every fucking day" here in the states.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:56:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC News - Election 2010: Labour ministers urge tactical voting

Labour's Ed Balls and Peter Hain have backed tactical voting in marginal seats to "keep the Tories out".

Schools Secretary Ed Balls told the New Statesman that he always wanted Labour to win but recognised there was "an issue" in Lib Dem/Tory marginals.

But Gordon Brown told GMTV he did not back tactical voting and wanted people to "vote Labour" .

The Lib Dems called it "desperate". David Cameron said it showed voting Lib Dem vote could keep Mr Brown as PM.

In other election developments on Tuesday:



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 05:54:48 AM EST
Faisal Islam (faisalislam) on Twitter
Ipsos-Mori saying 36 pc of voters in marginals still 'undecided' . normally 10pc undecided on the day -- amongst my friends, I'd say higher


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 07:15:44 AM EST
Faisal Islam (faisalislam) on Twitter
Rumours reach me of TV cameras waiting outside the offices of #philippastroud


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 07:29:14 AM EST
that'd be nice, even if they took their time.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:20:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well it would have been even nicer if they'd turn them on...

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 12:22:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm hearing rumours of legal writs, those "you can't even mention you've been silenced" gagging orders being served on the whole of the media.

This Stroud woman may say she believes in gay "equality", but I think the definition of equality she's using is unusual, to say the least. She seems to believe that gay people suffer from demonic possession and that they'll get straight if her church can cast out the demon, aka pray away the gay.

Frankly, if a gay person were to vote conservative, as Matthew Parris does, I expect it will be because of their economic policies. But if they do so because they believe that the conservatives are now tolerant of gay people, then they must be completely delusional

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 08:47:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Well there have been many rumours that the reason that Dave didn't turn up for a Channel 4 interview last night was that several C4 reporters had suggested that he would be questioned about it.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 10:25:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
No anger over Philippa Stroud? | Patrick Strudwick | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

The "progressive" Tory mask hasn't just slipped; it's dropped to the floor and smashed. Behind it, the true face of Cameron's party is coming sharply into focus. It's a face distorted with hatred, religious fervour and old-fashioned prejudice.

Last weekend The Observer revealed that Philippa Stroud, the head of a thinktank set up by former Conservative leader Iain Duncan Smith (the Centre for Social Justice), and the Conservative candidate for Sutton and Cheam, has been trying to drive demons out of lesbians, gay men and transsexuals.

"She wanted me to know all my thinking was wrong, I was wrong and the so-called demons inside me were wrong," said "Abi", one of her victims, according to the Observer. "The session ended with her and others praying over me, calling out the demons. She really believed things like homosexuality, transsexualism and addiction could be fixed just by prayer."

When Cameron was asked on the BBC Asian Network whether he thought that like Stroud he believed homosexuality could be cured, he replied: "I don't believe that, and she [Stroud]'s actually put out a very clear statement to say she was completely misreported; she believes in gay equality." This is an unequivocal misrepresentation of Stroud's statement, which simply says she doesn't believe homosexuality is an illness.

But then the reaction to the story raises many sinister questions.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 12:13:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Exclusive: Philippa Stroud's lawyers warn media over `gay cure' claims - from Pink News - all the latest gay news from the gay community - Pink News

PinkNews.co.uk has been told by solicitors representing Philippa Stroud that a number of media organisations have been contacted warning them of their duties not to publish "false" allegations about a parliamentary candidate in the run-up to tomorrow's general election.

Mrs Stroud, the Conservative candidate for Sutton and Cheam, was accused in The Observer of having founded two churches that helped people who believed their homosexuality was caused by demonic possession and that it could be overcome through prayer.

The newspaper quoted testimony from a number of people who had claimed they had been helped by the churches and one person who worked for one of the churches.

On Sunday, PinkNews.co.uk contacted Mrs Stroud to ascertain if she rejected the claims.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 01:15:00 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Dispatches - Features - Election Uncovered: Survey - Channel 4

A Channel 4 survey reveals that people cannot recall specific policies set out in the TV debates.

The survey's results were revealed in Dispatches: Election Uncovered, in which journalist Ben Laurance asks how democratic our election system really is.

All figures in the survey are from YouGov Plc for Dispatches. The total sample size was 2,351 adults. Fieldwork was undertaken between 29 April and 1 May 2010. The survey was carried out online. The figures have been weighted and are representative of all GB adults aged 18 and over.

As we enter the last few days of the election campaign, this survey reveals that:

The majority cannot recall specific policies set out by each leader during the debates: 67% could not recall Labour policies; 56% could not recall Lib Dem policies; 63% could not recall Conservative policies.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 07:46:10 AM EST
But over 80% of the country didn't watch the debates.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 08:10:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
But I bet 80% have an opinion on them.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:19:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
When is this 'election' you keep talking about?

(Seriously, I have missed what date it is.)

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 10:36:42 AM EST
This Thursday, May 6.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 10:46:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bond traders ready gilt sell-off for hung parliament | This is Money
Bond traders ready gilt sell-off for hung vote By Alan O'Sullivan & Daily Mail reporters
4 May 2010, 8:28am Reader comments (5)

City vultures are waiting to swoop and plunge the economy into turmoil if voters leave Britain saddled with a hung parliament.

Bond markets will open at an unprecedented 1am on Friday - three hours after the polls close - because traders want to be able to sell UK gilts and effectively offload their shares in the Government.

In a stark warning about the economic consequences if no one party wins a working majority, the futures market Liffe has been forced to open its doors after coming under pressure from investors.

This gives traders and investors the chance to dump gilts - Government bonds - in the event of a hung Parliament or to load up should there be a shock result to their liking, as happened in 1992 when the Conservatives won.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:02:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
More Fear, Uncertainty doubt from the Daily Mail, aka the world will end if Britain doesn't vote Conservative

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:18:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Bond markets will open at an unprecedented 1am on Friday - three hours after the polls close - because traders want to be able to sell UK gilts and effectively offload their shares in the Government.
Nice way to say "vote for our candidate or else".

The Daily Mail seems to have trouble picking their villains here. Is righteous anger supposed to be directed at the bond traders?

City vultures are waiting to swoop and plunge the economy into turmoil
or at the voters?
if voters leave Britain saddled with a hung parliament.


The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:22:48 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Shorter Mail: Vote Tory.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:42:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You'd almost think Cameron was in on it weeks ago.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 01:20:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
VIVAAAAA POSHBOOOOOOOY!!

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:24:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
In a stark warning about the economic consequences if no one party wins a working majority, the futures market Liffe has been forced to open its doors after coming under pressure from investors.

This is ridiculous.

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 11:30:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Republic | In the News
A leading constitutional expert has warned that plans for a 'Tory coup' - in which David Cameron declares himself Prime Minister - would bring the Conservative party into direct conflict with Buckingham Palace.

Professor Stephen Haseler, professor of government at London Metropolitan University and director of the Global Policy Institute, said:

"This plan is a direct challenge to the role of the Queen. It will put the Tory party on a collision course with the monarchy."

"The monarch, under our constitution, must wait until the outgoing Prime Minister has advised her to appoint his successor. This convention is designed to avoid the Queen being maneouvred by politicians."

"Cameron's coup would not only embarass the Queen and draw her into political controversy, it would also raise serious questions about the future of the monarchy."


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 01:00:04 PM EST
For a politician to declare himself the winner of an election is constitutionally meaningless. It may be an attempt to make any other outcome to the election seem illegitimate, in the eyes of members of the public who do not understand our constitution.

The Conservatives do seem to reject, in principle, the concept of Parliamentary government (where any number of individuals might serve as Prime Minister during a Parliament - depending upon the shifting tides of support in the House of Commons). They seem to favour something more like a Presidential system, with the winner of a plurality of seats in the House of Commons being the only possible Prime Minister. Cameron's suggestion that if there is a subsequent change of Prime Minister during a Parliament, then there must be a new election within six months, is a direct challenge to the constitution as it has been for the past few centuries.

by Gary J on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 08:29:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Im sure we'll see Sky declare Cameron the winner much as Fox did in 2000

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 08:32:13 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Tory! Tory! Tory! Most Brit Newspapers Back Cameron as Election Nears | The Nation
This Thursday the Brits vote in their general elections, and most recent polls suggest the Conservatives--with the decline of Prime Minister Gordon Brown--now hold a slim lead. Another indicator: the endorsements made by Britain's top national papers this past weekend.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 01:01:29 PM EST
Britons give votes to Afghan citizens - Channel 4 News

On the eve of Thursday's general election, text messages will be sent out to the Britons who have agreed to the scheme, instructing them which political party their 'partner' in Afghanistan wants to vote for.

The Give Your Vote project aims to drive democracy outside UK borders, in a "symbolic gesture" of global equality.

"There are local elections for local decisions, national elections for national ones, but no global elections for global decisions", said May Abdalla of Egality, which runs the project and is manned by a dozen volunteer aid workers, researchers and documentary makers.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 01:12:57 PM EST
PoliticsHome | The view from the regions: 4 May 2010 | Research
Since last week, support for the Lib Dems has fallen back in many regions - particularly in the North East and the East Midlands - however, they have held firm in some areas of the country

The latest regional voting intention data from PoliticsHome and YouGov shows the Liberal Democrats falling back across the country, although they are still in a strong position in many regions.

The threat to many of Labour's heartland seats, especially in the North East where Nick Clegg's party were poised to win Newcastle Central, Newcastle North and Newcastle East last week, has receded. The Liberal Democrats have dropped six points in the region in the last week, while Labour have gained five.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 01:22:36 PM EST
@jonsnowC4 Strange Cameron cancelling interview with C4news..he'd agreed for 23rd April then postponed to yesterday now cancelled mmm

So we'll see where he turns up having avoided one of the harder questionings he would have received during the campaign

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 01:24:32 PM EST
Tories: 'Give us the keys to No 10, Liz' | Sunder Katwala | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Despite accusations of Conservative complacency in this election campaign, the party has put a great deal of effort into planning what happens if parliament is hung and they are some way short of an overall majority.

Here is what has emerged as the Tory plan:

* Declare victory anyway.

* Have the party's media allies strain every sinew to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy.

* Insist on being given the keys to No 10 without having to talk substantively to any other party first - to avoid a coalition or any substantive policy concessions.

* Make a partisan challenge to the civil service in seeking to overturn any existing constitutional convention or practice that might conceivably get in the way, or even slow this down a little.

* Threaten to drag the monarchy into political controversy for partisan advantage by challenging the conventions designed precisely to avoid this.

* Hold out against electoral reform, whatever the election result.

* Threaten apocalyptic political and financial meltdown if anybody disagrees.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 01:54:31 PM EST
BBC - Newsnight: Michael Crick: Labour's election rally at Granada TV

Hilarious goings-on at Granada TV in Manchester tonight, where strangely ITV had agreed to host Labour's big election rally with Gordon Brown and his Cabinet.

At one point a workman was seen unscrewing a big sign with the ITV logo. In the studio itself studio-hands were told to replace their T-shirts which had ITV logos.

Funniest of all my BBC reporter colleagues have been asked to do their pieces to camera so that the Granada TV sign is not in view.

I am told that at one point a flustered Granada manager came out and said to the TV crews something to the effect of "Archie Norman doesn't want to be associated with the fact that the Labour Party is using the studio".



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 02:42:47 PM EST
Snowblog - The missing leader

In the absence of a three leader debate on Channel 4, Messrs Clegg, Brown and Cameron pledged to do wide-ranging individual interviews with me for Channel 4 news. 
 
Interviews with Mr Clegg and Mr Brown duly took place on the agreed dates.

You may have heard me billing them as "the first" and "the second of three interviews with the main party leaders".
 
Obviously, we try hard to be fair to all the parties, but in this case I'm afraid we won't be able to deliver on that promised third interview.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 02:56:21 PM EST
Why Endorse The Tories? - Paul Krugman Blog - NYTimes.com

Yglesias is right. For sure, Gordon Brown -- like the Rubinites here in America -- made the great mistake of buying into the promises of high finance. But is there any doubt that a Tory government would have done the same?

And I understand the sense that Labour has been in office too long. If I were British, I might well consider voting Lib Dem.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 03:40:28 PM EST
STOP DAVE.

"David Cameron is an idiot. A simpering, say-anything, dough-faced, preposterous waddling idiot with a feeble, insincere voice and an irritating tendency to squat near the top of opinion polls. I don't like him. And I've got a terrible feeling he'll be prime minister one day. Brrr." (Charlie Brooker, 2007.)

Brrr indeed. With just a few days until the general election, the prospect of "Call me Dave" running the country seems almost inevitable. Almost



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue May 4th, 2010 at 06:40:42 PM EST
If Parliament Hangs, Queen Could Veto Fresh Election - The Lede Blog - NYTimes.com

She makes no speeches on the hustings; she remains aloof from the political fray. She admits no party affiliation and is not permitted to vote or stand for office. Yet, she addresses Parliament with bejeweled and regular fanfare; for more than half a century, she has held  secret conversations with a cavalcade of 11 prime ministers; and, in a peculiarly British way, she could be cast in a central, yet largely powerless, role if Britain's elections on Thursday stray into the gray zone known as a hung Parliament.

Queen Elizabeth II was  crowned as Britain's sovereign in 1953 -- a time when Winston S. Churchill was Prime Minister of England and Dwight D. Eisenhower was President of the United States.

And often enough since then her role has seemed ceremonial -- touring far-flung outposts of onetime colonies (the United States, for instance), receiving state visitors at Buckingham Palace (George W. Bush, for example), shaking hands, nodding politely, asking non-intrusive questions: "and what do you do?" she is said to inquire when she meets her subjects.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 06:59:44 AM EST
"The appointment of the Prime Minister and the granting of a dissolution of Parliament are both prerogative powers of the monarch," said a House of Commons report published in March. "On the former, the Sovereign must appoint that person who is in the best position to receive the support of the majority in the House of Commons."

But she faces a dilemma: since the Queen has no executive power to intervene in the running of the country, how can she usurp the role of politicians, not to mention the voters, in choosing a government?

"A hung parliament may lead to a political crisis, but that is something for the political leaders, not the sovereign, to resolve," the historian Vernon Bogdanor was quoted as saying in the House of Commons report. In other words, the Queen must wait for the politicians, aided by civil servants, to find a way out of the impasse and advise her accordingly.

What concern-trolling bollocks.

Heads of State in most European parliamentary systems would meet with the leaders of the various parliamentary factions and then propose to the Parliament a candidate for a confidence vote as PM. Why isn't something like that possible in Britain? Why can't the leaders of the parties be invited to Buckingham Palace in order of decreasing number of seats? Why can't they be invited after they had had meetings among themselves? Why can't they be invited twice, the second time after they have had meetings among themselves?

See DoDo's European countries' confusing political systems... (May 11th, 2006)

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 07:19:35 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Heads of State in most European parliamentary systems would meet with the leaders of the various parliamentary factions and then propose to the Parliament a candidate for a confidence vote as PM. Why isn't something like that possible in Britain?

Because the central bargain in the UK's constitutional monarchy is that the monarch keeps out of politics in exchange for Parliament not cutting their head (or, in this more civilised era, their money) off.

Another reason for the UK to become a republic.

by IdiotSavant on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 10:39:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
But that's how it works in the rest of Europe's parliamentary monarchies. So, why would the UK need to become a Republic in order for the UK monarch to do what the rest of the monarchs do?

The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:47:03 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Entirely agree. The Queen will take advice from major politicians, of course, first and foremost the outgoing PM. She should then invite the party leader most likely to be able to command a majority in the Commons, to form a government. He can accept or refuse. If he accepts, he makes a stab at it. If the wheels fall off his coalition, then he'll have to resign and either someone else is invited to form a government or there's a new election.

Just because the FPTP two-party system rarely produces results like this doesn't mean they're impossible to deal with.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 12:06:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So what is this Tory proposal for a Bill of Rights? | Opinion | The Lawyer

The Conservatives are committed to replacing the Human Rights Act 1998 with a British Bill of Rights.

But what does this actually mean?



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 07:06:05 AM EST
Lallands Peat Worrier: A Tory Atlas, juggling human rights...
I notice that Alan Miller, the Chairman of the Scottish Human Rights Commission has a piece over at the Guardian mentioning some of them. Devolution poses an undeniable problem to the Tory policy. Its worth being precise about how this would work. The problem isn't the Human Rights Act itself. Even if that were repealed - its the  European Convention Rights and not the Human Rights Act simpliciter which is part of the Scotland Act. It constrains ministers, it constrains the legislature. In case you won't take my word for it, here are the sections of the Scotland Act which make the distinction clear:


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 07:12:25 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Tories say privately they are not where they wanted or expected to be in the polls, says the Beeb man on the Cameron bus


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 07:40:41 AM EST
Johann Hari: Welcome to Cameron land - Johann Hari, Commentators - The Independent
This is a dispatch from David Cameron's Britain, the country that could be waiting for us at the other end of the polling booths and the soundbites and the spin. I didn't have to take a time machine to get there; I just had to take the District Line. In 2006, a group of rebranded "compassionate Conservatives" beat Labour for control of Hammersmith and Fulham Council, a long stretch of west London. George Osborne says the work they have done since then will be a "model" for a new Conservative government, while Cameron has singled them out as a council he is especially "proud" of. So squeezed between the brownish dapple of the Thames and the smoggy chug of the Westway, you can find the Ghost of Cameron Future. What is it whispering to us?


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 07:41:27 AM EST
Powerful piece - well worth reading - shame it's only published today...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 08:39:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
and quite damning

I remembered that earlier this year Cameron's close friend and shadow cabinet member Ed Vaizey said Cameron is "much more Conservative than he acts, or than he is forced to be by political exigency". The principles that run through Cameron's politics seem to become visible at last, as clear and as stark as the Westway on the Hammersmith skyline: tax cuts, whatever the social cost.

but people who vote tory do so knowing what they'll get. I've never forgotten as a canvasser seeing how many genuinely impoverished people voted for Thatcher, in the same way that many poor people vote republican in the USA.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 08:50:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Poor people tend to be conservative as they are barely hanging on and are more worried that a change will adversely rather than positively affect them.  

No one could have predicted
by ATinNM on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 01:49:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
[Torygraph Alert] Tories urged to call in IMF for audit of UK's debts if they win election: The Conservatives have been urged to consider the "nuclear option" of calling in the International Monetary Fund to examine the full extent of Britain's debts if they win the election.
The Tories should invite the IMF to provide blunt advice about how to cut the scale of the budget deficit, leaving the party able, if necessary, to row back on unaffordable promises to safeguard spending and cut taxes, according to senior bankers and economists.

Bob Janjuah, chief markets strategist at the Royal Bank of Scotland, told a group of German bankers and fund managers in Berlin that the plan would involve the IMF performing a "technical audit" of Britain's public finances, rather than lending any emergency cash to Britain, as it currently is in Greece.

The Institute for Fiscal Studies warned earlier this week that the spending cuts currently planned by the Conservatives are even deeper than those initiated by the IMF in the 1970s, and could be the harshest since the Second World War. Days later Mervyn King, the Bank of England Governor, was reported to have warned that whichever party won the election would soon find itself ejected from power "for a generation" because of the scale of the spending reductions that it will have to imposed.



The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 08:07:57 AM EST
The IMF is going to audit both the UK and the USA.

Yeah right.

Apparently, we have independent entities regulating the world.

by Upstate NY on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 09:27:39 AM EST
[ Parent ]
The Torygraph has a picture with the caption Denis Healey was Chancellor of the Exchequer when Britain had to turn to the IMF in 1976
Healey became Chancellor of the Exchequer in March 1974 after the Labour Party's narrow election victory. As Chancellor, Healey's tenure is sometimes divided into two parts which are sometimes called Healey Mark I and Healey Mark II. (See The Jekyll and Hyde Years: Politics and Economic Policy since 1964 by Michael Stewart.) The divide between the two is marked by Healey's decision, taken in conjunction with then-Prime Minister James Callaghan to seek an International Monetary Fund (IMF) loan and submit the British economy to the associated IMF supervision. The loan was agreed with the IMF on 7 June 1976.[7][8] Within some parts of the Labour Party the transition from Healey Mark I (which had seen a proposal for a wealth tax) to Healey Mark II (associated with a government specified wage control) was regarded as a betrayal. Healey's policy of increasing benefits for the poor meant those earning over £4,000 per year would be taxed more heavily than beforehand.


The brainless should not be in banking -- Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 09:35:46 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Aha, I see. So bring on the elder statesmen who has yielded a hammer in the past.
by Upstate NY on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 09:48:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
wielded not yielded.
by Upstate NY on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 09:49:05 AM EST
[ Parent ]
New Statesman - Does Cameron really stink of fish?
1337: You can't please everybody, it seems, even when you work right through the night. When David Cameron and his entourage met junior school children in Calverton, Nottinghamshire, one pupil blurted out: "You all smell of fish." Clearly, the tell-tale signs of that earlier visit to the fish market in Grimsby are still lingering.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 09:28:56 AM EST
'You can't talk about immigration'

'You can't talk about immigration'. I seem to be hearing this phrase all the damn time lately.

Isn't the world a strange place sometimes. I could have sworn that a huge amount of time this election has been spent talking about immigration. I was absolutely certain that both TV debates featured all three leaders arguing about who had the toughest approach to immigration. I was even pretty sure one of the debates was supposed to be about international affairs, not domestic affairs like immigration. I was pretty certain that the BNP and UKIP centre their entire political ideology around immigration, whilst the Conservative Party are planning to introduce a cap on immigrants, Labour are creating a Australian-style points-based system and the Liberal Democrats are creating an amnesty for illegal immigrants whilst peppering new arrivals to emptier parts of the country.

I was pretty certain that the Daily Mail runs huge amounts of stories about immigration, as does the Express, the Sun and other tabloid newspapers. These tabloids and some of the broadsheets also point out that if we reach a population of 70million because of immigration bad things will happen and life in Britain may well end. Immigration, immigration, immigration. One of the key issues of this election. Everyone is talking about it. When prospective and current PMs go on Radio 1 it is the main issue that young voters want to bring up. As far as I can perceive: everyone wants to know what is going to be done about immigration, and they are not shy to talk about it.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 10:33:06 AM EST
David Cameron protestors in scuffle in East Renfrewshire | Election 2010 | Election 2010 | STV News

Protestors were involved in a scrum while Conservative leader David Cameron was visiting a factory in East Renfrewshire.

Mr Cameron had not long arrived at Linn Products in Waterfoot when a small group of people from Right to Work tried to storm through doors on Tuesday evening.

The protestors, carrying banners with the slogan 'Tax the Fat Cats' were then involved in a scuffle with Special Branch officers who were standing near by.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 10:43:19 AM EST
Save these girls from dole queue | The Sun |News|Election 2010
SIXTEEN Page 3 Girls in all their glory represent the very image of freedom in this country.

But if Labour or the Lib Dems win the election, this could be the last time they are allowed to pose together.

MPs Harriet Harman and Lynne Featherstone will move swiftly to change the law and ban Page 3 forever.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 10:45:03 AM EST
Yea, cos in the last 13 years they never had the majority with which to enact such a measure  .... d'oh

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 10:59:57 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Just - wow.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:02:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
"Labour and Lib/Dems are a bunch of known thespians and have repeatedly masticated in public."

I love elections.  A Real World lesson in Informal Logical Fallacies and Hysteria.

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 01:53:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC News - Election 2010 - Live coverage - General Election 2010
Tom Whipple at The Times has an unusual take on the Conservatives' plans for a national voluntary youth service. He writes: "For Mr Cameron's plans to work - for teenagers really to learn leadership and responsibility - they must be allowed to make mistakes. As a corollary our society must accept an absolute certainty: children will die. And that is a good thing. Young people must confront danger.

My Bold Boggle

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 10:56:18 AM EST
There just aren't enough colonial wars to cull our young men these days

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:01:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
ROTFLMAO

That's a hell of a campaign message:

"Vote For Us and Your Kid Dies"

(But you'll still can see boobs on Page 3.)

No one could have predicted

by ATinNM on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 01:56:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Faisal Islam on Economics - German lessons for the British parties

Imagine the headline in The Sun on Friday: `Number 10 war: Brutal prime-ministerial battle after election draw'.
 
Imagine a close election, a flailing centre left leader facing a 20 per cent poll deficit which is whittled down as polling day approaches partly by the emergence of a new political force. The result? A hung parliament where the conservatives get four more seats than the centre-left.

It did happen, in Germany, in 2005. Gerhard Schroder was the SPD's ageing bruiser who all but fought Angela Merkel's CDU/CSU to a draw. The headline was `Kanzler-Krieg' from the tabloid Bild.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:01:06 AM EST
Twitter users still agree with Nick | Analysis & Opinion |

One the eve of the general election, our exclusive Twitter analysis of political sentiment shows that while the latest opinion polls point to a late rally by Gordon Brown's Labour Party, users of the micro-blogging site still favour Nick Clegg's Liberal Democrats over the other two main parties.

US market research firm Crimson Hexagon (on behalf of Reuters.co.uk) has been archiving all tweets on British politics since March 22 and analysing them for positive and negative sentiment. All parties have had their ups and downs, most notably in the aftermath of the first leaders' debate (which led to a spike in support for the LibDems and the hashtag #iagreewithnick trending on Twitter) and Gordon Brown's "bigot" gaffe in Rochdale,which gave us the highest percentage of negative tweets for any party during the campaign.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:03:39 AM EST
Police asked to investigate Young Britons' Foundation | Mark Pack

The leafleting and press advertising campaign against a hung Parliament by the Young Britons' Foundation has run into a mini-blizzard of legal queries and complaints

Given at least one newspaper advertisement today and how widespread the leafleting campaign has been (as partly documented by Paul Walters), including several reports that at least some of the leafleting is being carried out by paid-for delivery firms, it is extremely likely that the YBF has incurred costs in excess of the £10,000 limit.

However, whilst this would require registration as a "third party" with the Commission, and the Young Britons' Foundation Chief Executive Donal Blaney told me earlier in the day that, "I confirm that YBF is registered as a recognised third party", according to the Electoral Commission, who I spoke to subsequently, the Young Britons' Foundation is not currently registered.



If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:18:40 AM EST
Another right wing pressure group of dubious legality and murky financial background. How surprising.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:25:30 AM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC News - Election 2010 - Live coverage - General Election 2010
For the Conservatives, shadow Commons leader Sir George Young says Westminster must become more collaborative and less driven by fighting between parties if it is to regain public trust.

but a hung parliament just isn't right.... has he been sacked yet Dave?

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:30:41 AM EST
Westminster must become more collaborative and less driven by fighting between parties

Yes, but the conservative definition of this is that everybody agrees with whatever the conservatives want.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 01:27:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC News - Election 2010 - Live coverage - General Election 2010
Ladbrokes currently predicts David Cameron will win 315 seats - just short of an overall majority - and says a hung parliament would be a "nightmare", costing it £250,000. William Hill also has "no overall majority" as the slight favourite.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 11:31:36 AM EST
Robert Mugabe gives David Cameron election backing - Telegraph

The Zimbabwe president said his country would have better relations with London if the Conservatives got in.

"We have always related better with the British through the Conservatives than Labour," he said. "We have a better chance with David Cameron than with Brown."

Really, it isnt the Onion.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 12:00:06 PM EST
Just seen that a Peterborough conservative activist has been arrested over 150 postal votes that have been fraudulently claimed. So that may be another vote that is decided in the courts rather than at the ballot box.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 01:36:36 PM EST
John Rentoul - Civil wars start tomorrow at 10pm
James Forsyth, the implausibly young political editor of The Spectator, has another fine despatch in this week's issue, which has awkwardly gone to press with the election outcome unknown. So he focuses on the two certainties: that Labour and Tory civil wars break out the moment the polls close tomorrow.

The ferocity of the respective outbreaks depends on the precise contours of the results, but there is enough simmering tension already and he is right that "the various factions inside parties [will] race to establish a narrative that is helpful to their cause" with indecent haste.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 02:13:59 PM EST
@faisalislam In early April: seat projections: Lab: 247, Con: 318, LD:54   But NOW: Lab: 263, Con: 274, LD: 81 ... Lab DOWN in voteshare, UP in seats

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 02:51:29 PM EST
I'll settle for that. anything that prevents a conservative majority

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 03:02:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I'm thinking that I'm going to really have to vote Labour even though I swore to myself I wouldn't after their gulf adventure. But the election is too close, and my constituency is just too close and its only a simple Labour Tory choice and that bunch of bastards cant be allowed in whatever happens.

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 03:24:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Alas, throw in the Unionists and they are good to go...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 03:46:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yea, but  think they're tory filth anyway so should be counted at tories. so my idea is that the tories have always got to get fewer than a majority minus the unionists.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 05:15:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well theres the one Tory who wont be installed tomorrow, and If Peterboro is closer than 150 votes, the chance of installing an MP without recourse to the courts is vanishingly slim

If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 06:00:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Nadine Dorries, Tim Ireland and #flitwick: What really happened « Adam Talks Turkey
As anyone who's been following Twitter's #flitwick hashtag will be aware, Tim Ireland of Bloggerheads attended the Mid Beds hustings in Flitwick last night and filmed the event for the organisers and for a live broadcast on his website. I was also in attendance at the hustings (note to Nadine Dorries: I attended because I am one of your constituents. In addition, I voted Conservative at the last general election. Hopefully this disqualifies me from 'stalker' status). Here, in simple and unbiased terms, is what I observed and judged from the evening.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 03:36:35 PM EST
I won't tell you how to vote but... - gimpyblog's posterous
This election offers no dilemma with respect to my voting intention, I will vote, as I have in the past, for my Labour PPC, a party loyalist and fine constituency MP.


If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 05:56:46 PM EST
From Ha'aretz.
"Clegg is bad news for Israel," one official here said. "His party is running on a human rights platform, and the atmosphere is hostile to Israel. We remind the Liberal Democrats of South Africa during apartheid. Even if Clegg decides not to take the foreign portfolio, the very fact that Liberal Democrats sit in the cabinet is likely to mean trouble for us."
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed May 5th, 2010 at 06:28:23 PM EST


Display:
Go to: [ European Tribune Homepage : Top of page : Top of comments ]