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Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:47:21 AM EST

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Bong-g-g-g!!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:50:24 AM EST
and bong back atcha !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:57:27 AM EST
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Bloody Hippies

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:16:24 PM EST
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Better then Blippy Hoodies.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:35:32 PM EST
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Ow!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:34:53 PM EST
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Well, the bad news is that, following a visit to the fracture clinic this morning, I'm still in plaster. Fortunately I'm able to put weight to the ground with this one so I've got the walking boot and a single stick to help bear the weight.

God, it feels great to be so mobile again.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:59:37 AM EST
Sounds like you needed that from the start.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:36:38 PM EST
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I think that the no weight cast is just to give the wound a chance to settle

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:36:38 PM EST
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Its needed on certain types of break to stop it re-breaking after every impact during the early stage of healing

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:46:23 PM EST
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How long does it take to settle into no-break mode ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 02:08:33 PM EST
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Well that depends on a number of factors, age, calcium, bone density, but normally a couple of weeks.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 02:20:13 PM EST
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Given that I'm on 5 days, I think I must have had a different type of break.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 02:21:35 PM EST
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Ah yours was an ankle wasn't it, so no weight resting on it so not as much strain.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 02:47:46 PM EST
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Apart from when I stand on it now I'm on the walking cast

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 03:16:09 PM EST
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and add in the first home grown tomato of the year. the runner beans are now in full crop and we are slowly disappearing under a cucumber mountain and all is well in the garden. {/chancy}

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:39:31 PM EST
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{/chancy}

Gardner?

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:12:26 PM EST
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who else ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:13:40 PM EST
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Don't you go turning down the million dollar ghost-written book deal just because you only watch TV then.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:20:09 PM EST
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Can't I be President instead ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:22:28 PM EST
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Yes, but probably best to skip the open top car rides.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:34:03 PM EST
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and did I mention cherry tart and ice cream {i am 5}

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:21:09 PM EST
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Those genetically modified crops are going mad in the greenhouse if you're harvesting that.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:35:17 PM EST
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No we cheated on that one. Bought it in a shop

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 01:37:25 PM EST
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Interesting tidbit regarding petrochemicals:


Résumé / Abstract

Methane, coal and biomass are being considered as alternatives to crude oil for the production of basic petrochemicals, such as light olefins. This paper is a study on the production costs of 24 process routes utilizing these primary energy sources. A wide range of projected energy prices in 2030-2050 found in the open literature is used. The basis for comparison is the production cost per t of high value chemicals (HVCs or light olefin-value equivalent). A Monte Carlo method was used to estimate the ranking of production costs of all 24 routes with 10,000 trials of varying energy prices and CO2 emissions costs (assumed to be within $0-100/t CO2: the total CO2 emissions, or cradle-to-grave CO2 emissions, were considered). High energy prices in the first three quarter of 2008 were tested separately. The main findings are: * Production costs: while the production costs of crude oil- and natural gas-based routes are within $500-900/t HVCs, those of coal- and biomass-based routes are mostly within $400-800/t HVCs. Production costs of coal- and biomass-based routes are in general quite similar while in some cases the difference is significant. Among the top seven most expensive routes, six are oil- and gas-based routes. Among the top seven least expensive routes, six are coal and biomass routes. * CO2 emissions costs: the effect of CO2 emissions costs was found to be strong on the coal-based routes and also quite significant on the biomass-based routes. However, the effect on oil- and gas-based routes is found to be small or relatively moderate. * Energy prices in 2008: most of the coal-based routes and biomass-based routes (particularly sugar cane) still have much lower production costs than the oil- and gas-based routes (even if international freight costs are included). To ensure the reduction of CO2 emissions in the long-term, we suggest that policies for the petrochemicals industry focus on stimulating the use of biomass as well as carbon capture and storage features for coal-based route

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=21984195



Iuris praecepta sunt haec: Honeste vivere, alterum non laedere, suum cuique tribuere. - Ulpian, Digestae
by Titus on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:03:27 PM EST
Ah~! The orchestra.

This youtube stuff doesn't do justice without the bass line roaming around. Reminds me that I saw Christian McBride giving 2 hours of lessons while playing with the 86 year old Roy Haynes with Kenny Garret and Chick Corea at the Nice Jazz Festival last week. John McLaughlin stepped in for a couple tunes. What a thrill.



Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:16:08 PM EST
File this under crazy but true.

The Swiss far-right wants to expand the country by annexing German, French, Austrian and Italian border regions, reports Gazeta Wyborcza. The Swiss People's Party (SVP) floated the idea in June but only now has submitted a draft proposal calling for necessary changes to the constitution to make the enlargement possible. The regions in question are the German state of Baden Württemberg, French departments Alsace, Savoy, Jura and Ain, Italian provinces Aosta, Como, Varese and Bozen and the Austrian province of Vorarlberg....

.....the results of a poll conducted by the Swiss weekly Weltwoche. It showed that 63% of nearly 1,800 German, Italian and Austrian polled living in the border regions said they were in favour of joining Switzerland.




And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:23:47 PM EST
Hee, it's amazing what can be achieved for the intellectually challenged under "Care in the Community".

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:26:44 PM EST
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It's such a gas to be living in these stimulating times.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:40:20 PM EST
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Jumpin Jack Flash (see next comment)

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 02:23:02 PM EST
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A Half Century of MADness : Discovery News

On this date sixty-five years ago, the planet had witnessed the detonation of just one nuclear device. That was the Trinity test at the Alamagordo Bombing Range in New Mexico on July 16, 1945. Twenty days later came the second, and four days after that came the third. Since then there have been 2,050 more - or perhaps 2,053: there may or may not have been a nuclear test in the Indian Ocean in 1979, and North Korea claims to have tested two nuclear devices, although those claims are not universally acknowledged.

They began slowly, then picked up pace as the United States and the Soviet Union -- and, to a lesser extent, the United Kingdom, France and China -- built up massive nuclear arsenals in pursuit of a Cold War strategy that was literally MAD, centered as it was around the notion of Mutual Assured Destruction.

And every single one of them -- from that initial test in the New Mexico desert in 1945, to the detonations that confirmed the entry of Pakistan into the nuclear club in 1998 -- has been recorded and animated in this extraordinary time-lapse map by Japanese artist Isao Mashimoto



never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 12:37:57 PM EST
Luckily, that was then. And a small bit has even decayed, now.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 02:17:34 PM EST
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I dunno, I'm sure there are some influential Dr Strangeloves knocking around looking for an excuse to drop the Big One.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 02:22:54 PM EST
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The Trinity Site is the strangest place I've ever been.  Very hard to put into words, the nearest I can come is it felt 33 degrees akilter to normal.  

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:56:11 PM EST
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Slugfest in Stuttgart tonight.  France scored 8 in a German meltdown 5th inning to take a 9-5 lead.  But it's tied 9-9 in the bottom of the 7th.

Baseball Cup here.

Live Ticker here.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 03:39:26 PM EST
wow, that's a game. Good hitting or bad pitching ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 03:46:37 PM EST
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or both. germany trying to save it's best pitching for tomorrow v. Netherlands, but...

france has been persistent at the plate.  But injury to the German pitcher, so now a former teammate takes the mound. Tense. For sure, this will go down to the last out.  still 9-9 bottom 8.  at least Schland has the last at bat. (before extra innings.)

i think both teams have already advanced, still...

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 03:53:59 PM EST
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Schland had a solo homer bottom 8, so we go top 9, France's last chance 10-9 Schland.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:07:31 PM EST
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this is the moment that decided the game for Schland over Frankreich. apologies as i don't know how to make it smaller, but it does show the millimeter art of hitting a baseball successfully.)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 06:42:17 PM EST
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Mid afternoon I had a text from my 18 year old from the post-operative ward the minute he'd got his phone back.

I'm still alive

to which I responded

God here. How do you know?

When I spoke to him, he was pretty spaced out on morphine having just had a chunk of bowel removed. This was the aftermath of an appendectomy over a year ago, followed by a major abscess and the wound then healing open.

He's had a test for Crohn's disease etc (which they suspect but could not confirm) but they won't really know until they do a biopsy on the bowel segment removed.

I had my appendix out on the day that England won the World Cup in 1966, and thanks to penicillin the peritonitis I also had didn't kill me. They left the wound to drain, and after a month it healed.

Firstly, I can't help thinking they could and should have let youngster's initial wound drain (which they are now doing) instead of sewing him up and relying on antibiotics, which was then followed by the serious abscess referred to.

Secondly, I can't help thinking that with the sort of key-hole surgery my other youngster had for his appendix in Oslo a couple of winters ago (and it was not a straighforward operation) then he would never have had the problem in the first place.

Oh well.

Gotta leave it to the professionals, and apparently they've had the A Team on it this time....

Fingers crossed. The last thing the poor devil needs is a stoma bag for the rest of his life.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 03:48:39 PM EST
Oh crap. I'm so worry for him, you must be worried sick.

All my best wishes for you both

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 03:57:09 PM EST
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Worry ?? Sorry I meant. I'm so sorry for him

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 03:57:52 PM EST
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Wishing all the best, Chris and clan.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:06:07 PM EST
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I'm so sorry to hear that, Chris.  I hope it all turns out well.
by Sassafras on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:14:34 PM EST
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Hoping for the best, Chris (as one who recognizes your '60s experience, having gone through the same).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:32:38 PM EST
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Oh Crohns is no fun  Wish one and all well.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:35:35 PM EST
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by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:04:05 PM EST
Was that comment from you, or your dummy?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 04:09:11 PM EST
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Read my jaw.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:59:27 AM EST
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"No new taxidermists"

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:23:03 AM EST
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Next thing you know she'll be on Ed Sullivan's Really Big Shooo!, or... let's see... whatever today's equivalent might be.

NVA, a viable option when the political process fails.
by NorthDakotaDemocrat (NorthDakotaDemocrat at gmail dot com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 11:46:43 PM EST
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Stare at boobs for longer life: Study | TheMedGuru
Frankfurt, Germany, December 6 -- A rather bizarre study carried out by German researchers suggests that staring at women's breasts is good for men's health and increases their life expectancy


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 05:28:35 PM EST
That it reduces women's quality of life is neither here nor there apparently

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 05:52:17 PM EST
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ahem. if i knew how to search this site, i would be able to point you to the discussion a few weeks ago where this was proved to be a hoax. even weirder, i posted the original. even much weirder, i like to loo....(this comment has been edited for quality assurance, and found wanting.)

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 06:06:04 PM EST
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How to search this site: look at the Menu (upper right or left sidebar, depending on the page you're on). The final item on the menu is Search (Google). Click to open: hey presto! A Google search of this site!

Feed in "staring breasts". Gloog will obligingly dredge up your previous posting on this fascinating subject.

It was a fortnight ago.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:25:43 AM EST
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A little late but ...

BTW, this is one of the better renditions I've heard.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 07:26:27 PM EST
I'm now at LAX waiting to board to Paris. Izzy survived the ordeal. Barely. She has promised a diary for tomorrow (several, in fact).

One pic for now:



Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 08:46:18 PM EST
You dragged poor Izzy all the way to the Grand Canyon?

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Jul 27th, 2010 at 09:35:13 PM EST
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I asked around for rides back to LA, but all the cars (that I knew of, at least) were full.

It was great to see Jerome and Izzy again! So glad both of them could make it to Vegas.

And the world will live as one

by Montereyan (robert at calitics dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:12:54 AM EST
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It was wonderful to see you, too!  But if I ever make it again, you HAVE to do the karaoke!  I can't believe you let me down this time -- I was so looking forward to our duet of California Uber Alles...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:57:07 AM EST
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You dragged poor Izzy all the way to the Grand Canyon?

I know!  And I told him what you said -- that it was hot and too far and way too hot and that he could maybe die.  From the heat.  And that you were totally on "team Izzy" on this.  He doesn't listen.  

Plus, it wasn't even hot.  It was all... pleasant.  It even rained.  Now he thinks we're both either wimps or liars.  If you'd like, you can save yourself and maintain deniability -- I'll say I totally misunderstood what you were saying... that's completely plausible.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:53:10 AM EST
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Oh!  And PLUS we were supposed to be boycotting Arizona!  (special thanks to all conference attendees who suggested that line of attack, however fruitless it proved to be).  

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:54:51 AM EST
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You could always have done the North Rim...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:16:07 AM EST
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While you were there, I saw some of a documentary on the Grand Canyon. And later, there was a John Ford movie (Wagon Master) with some fine B&W shots of thereabouts.

If it helps at all, I can say that it looked hot.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 05:18:52 AM EST
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During the Western Migration nobody in their right mind went anywhere near the Grand Canyon.  Either took the Santa Fe Trail to Santa Fe and from there used the various El Camino Reals to get to SoCal or the Oregon Trail to the Pacific Northwest/NoCal, depending.

Ford liked the Monument Valley, as well.  Nobody went there, either.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:05:32 PM EST
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What did that add?  300 to 400 miles?  Only to see an arroyo¹?  We got zillions of arroyos in the Southwest?

Truly the Guest From Hell©!

LOL

Lucked out.  The monsoon (= "It rained") hit during the weekend.  One town north of us usually gets ~14" a year; they got 9" over the weekend.  We got 5+ inches and now the grass, mesquite, creosote, and reed grass are all green.

Looks weird.

¹  Admittedly it's a really, really, BIG arroyo.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:58:31 PM EST
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