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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:00:45 PM EST
and you beat me too it again. Just back from an all day meeting and needing a power nap.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:03:17 PM EST
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Oh horrible typo, how dreadful.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:04:11 PM EST
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The beatings will continue until the quality of the Open Thread improves?

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:22:17 PM EST
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stop press...

Economic Scene - Study Rethinks Importance of Kindergarten Teachers - NYTimes.com

Mr. Chetty and his colleagues -- one of whom, Emmanuel Saez, recently won the prize for the top research economist under the age of 40 -- estimate that a standout kindergarten teacher is worth about $320,000 a year. That's the present value of the additional money that a full class of students can expect to earn over their careers. This estimate doesn't take into account social gains, like better health and less crime.

economist gets it right!

"Resonance is the reply from the unknown... Unleash the opera of phenomena." W.A. Mathieu

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:36:36 PM EST
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Thar she blows!

17 years old, with my highschool friends Donny and Bill; Don borrows his mother's car, and we go to see our first (my first, anyway) porn film at a drive-in.  All about some ladies on a boat with a bunch of guys.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:26:44 PM EST
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Mammaries are made of this........

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:44:48 PM EST
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Who's next?  Don't let this opportunity slip by.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:51:36 PM EST
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I fell asleep during my first porno film. About 5 minutes in as I remember

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:48:46 PM EST
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Went only to stay abreast of Popular Culture?


If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:19:51 PM EST
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The Daily Mash - 24-HOUR DRINKING WOULD HAVE WORKED IF BRITAIN WASN'T DREADFUL, SAY EXPERTS
BRITAIN'S experiment with 24-hour drinking would have succeeded if the country was not filled to the brim with the worst people in the world, it was claimed last night.

As the government outlined plans to reintroduce stricter licensing laws, experts said Britain could still have a 'continental-style café culture' if it swapped populations with France.



never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:12:23 PM EST
24 hour drinking would work better if music were banned after 10:00 and if lager and alcopops were outlawed on grounds of taste.

In fact, if only real ale, real cider and organic wines were permitted to be sold. I don't say that simply because the first is my preference. There are good reasons why you can't get too rowdy on them and so they encourage the behaviour that they claim to prefer.

but too many high st pubs are owned by high volume low quality teenage booze-a-thon chains and so there isn't a chance that good behaviour could be encouraged or rewarded.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:23:20 PM EST
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Having spent Saturday evening on the late bus, with someone who smelt like they had vomited over themselves on the seat behind, and two drunken teenagers on the seat in front who had yet to learn how much perfume it is sensible or politic to apply on the seat in front while weaving through queues outside nightclubs I think you may be right.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:33:15 PM EST
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As I understand it, in areas where it was applied fully (rather than strangled by the local council) 24 hour drinking licenses (mostly just later opening, not actual 24 hours) did have some of the intended (positive) effects:

a) By staggering closing times in parts of Leeds and Manchester the number of fights at taxi ranks as the night draws to a close went down.

b) Total alcohol consumption did not increase by as much as the hours indicated - rather the same amount of drinking was spread over a longer period, the end of hours scramble was reduced.

The end of the policy is a shame in three ways, IMO:

  1. Local councils rarely implemented the policy on a larger scale, skewing the results. Positive areas like those I mentioned have been ignored.

  2. Restricted hours leads to greater drinking at cheaper supermarket prices, to cover socialising "out of licensing hours."

  3. You don't create a "cafe culture" overnight. People actually have to settle into the belief that their ability to buy alcohol is not going to be restricted before they'll change behaviour away from certain "feast or famine" activities. Policies for this kind of change require long term commitment.

  4. Binge drinking in particular was a huge concern before the licensing laws changed. I'll admit that I haven't followed the evidence closely, but I haven't seen any major changes to the trend. While that means the policy hasn't been an instant success (see 3) it also suggests there needs to be an actual case made for changing back...
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:27:35 PM EST
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the thing is that, like most govt policy, neither the introduction nor the current repeal were evidence led.

So Labour introduced it with a series of far-fetched claims that could never come to pass and the failure to reach those heady heights is good enough reason for the tories to repeal.

none of them actually cares if it's a good or bad policy, they just want kudos for doing stuff

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:51:07 PM EST
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Prick Your Finger: MOTHS ARE WANKERS.
This morning we had a telephone call from the Hampton Court Palace Restoration Department, requesting 30 'Moths are Wankers' badges, to become part of the staff uniform.
We posted them straight away.


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 12:40:37 PM EST
Obama's Legacy: Afghanistan | The New York Review of Books

Most presidents start wondering--or, more often, worrying--about their "legacy" well into their first term. Or, if they have a second term, they worry even more feverishly about what posterity will think of them. Obama need not wonder about his legacy, even this early. It is already fixed, and in one word: Afghanistan. He took on what he made America's longest war and what may turn out to be its most disastrous one.

It is time for me to break a silence I have observed for over a year, against my better judgment. On June 30, 2009, I and eight other historians were invited to a dinner with President Obama and three of his staffers, to discuss what history could teach him about conducting the presidency. I was asked shortly after by several news media what went on there, and I replied that it was off the record. I have argued elsewhere that the imposition of secrecy to insure that the president gets "candid advice" is a cover for something else--making sure that what is said about the people's business does not reach the people. But I went along this time, since the president said that he wanted this dinner to be a continuing thing, and I thought that revealing its first contents would jeopardize the continuation of a project that might be a source of information for him.

But there has been no follow up on the first dinner, and certainly no sign that he learned anything from it. The only thing achieved has been the silencing of the main point the dinner guests tried to make--that pursuit of war in Afghanistan would be for him what Vietnam was to Lyndon Johnson. At least four or five of the nine stressed this. Nothing else rose to this level of seriousnes



never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:04:08 PM EST
however, he said he was going to do this in a policy document released in May 2007. At least nobody can say they weren't warned, the difficulty is that that too many didn't want to know, they just wanted to believe.

The fact that it was an idiotic policy, was known to be an idiotic policy, even then is neither here nor there. Obama got his war on and he is Lyndon Johnston.

However, is it possible to be a peace President in a country where the military industrial complex has such deep pockets and can buy such overwhelming influence ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:11:13 PM EST
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However, is it possible to be a peace President in a country where the military industrial complex has such deep pockets and can buy such overwhelming influence ?

Eventually, someone is going to have to figure out how to be, or else a tattered broken (and broke) country full of people will have all these wonderful dreams during decades of rebuilding.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:18:18 PM EST
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Obama is Johnson?  Before Viet Nam Johnson wasn't rich.  Somehow ... heh, heh, ... he leaves the Presidency a multi-millionaire and no one ... NO ONE ... ever does an extensive investigation on WHERE LBJ got his millions.  At least Obama isn't be a war profiteer.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:32:06 PM EST
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I, for one, would have indeed forgiven nearly anything, except failing to stop the slaughter, or at least to have pulled off the mask of the vain-glorious part of the tribe who think that war is a solution.

There are those who point out that he is a dozen or more approval points above where Reagan was in a similar economic horror, and others who will point out that he always said that Afghanistan is a righteous war.

But here they are, putting billions of more into the madness without any chance of any other solution somewhere down the line than where they are now--calling it victory and saying let's take care of home.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:13:26 PM EST
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See July 27, 2010: Best Leak Ever on the Daily Show...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:20:29 PM EST
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May I say that the bunch of useless half wits who insist on fucking about with Internet rights so I get to see "Sorry, Videos are not currently available in your country" whenever I get pointed at one of his videos unless I bugger about with proxys needs to be taken round the back of the bike sheds and kicked in his or her money grubbing head repeatedly.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:25:49 PM EST
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try this

but you have to watch the whole show including the Ch4 adverts for Amoretto.

however, the shirely sherrod sequence is really funny

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:34:52 PM EST
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Okay, I watched it all and am not sure what part you were referring to.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:52:54 PM EST
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The part where all people care about is whether Obama was mad about this and John Stewart says "Who gives a fuck?"

As in, "Obama's legacy? Who gives a fuck?"

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:02:19 PM EST
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Oh sugar, I missed that.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:03:45 PM EST
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To consider Afghanistan America's most "disastrous war ever" is so utterly filled with historical ignorance and contempt that I feel no need to read any further.
by paving on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:34:36 PM EST
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Let me guess, you're a "fan" of Viet Nam?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:39:23 PM EST
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Initially I reacted similarly. But then I thought about it and realised it has quite far-reaching consequences.

vietnam (which I presume was the previous worst fiasco) (or did you mean the civil War ?) and other conflicts may have gone wrong, but they didn't change the game in terms of how the world viewed the country. Afghanistan did, a bunch of hajis didn't just frustrate them like in Iraq, they're on the point of defeating them, of showing the world how to beat the big bad bully.

the US wasn't beaten in Vietnam, but they just couldn't win. The US faces defeat in Afghanistan. In fact if the Taliban really get wiggy with cutting the overland supply routes, it could be a defeat of 9th legion proportions

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:45:00 PM EST
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I'd add that...

a) he says "may turn out to be" rather than is

b) this could turn out to be the worst timed conflict in economic terms - the money that has been spent could be the tipping point in having a seriously negative effect on the US economy - and only the Civil War could compare with that...

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:48:10 PM EST
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In financial terms I'd have suggested that Iraq was the tipping point.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:02:44 PM EST
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What? There has really been a difference between The Iraq and Afghan War and its spending? Blimey, I forgot. Excuse me while I get both of the UN Approval Documents for Operation "Bomb the Fuck Out of Them for 10 Years 'Cause Our Version of Government Is So Incredibly Obviously Better For Everyone" and Operation "Bomb the Fuck Out of Them for 9 Years 'Cause Them's So Bad for Having Weapons of Mass Destruction"...be right back.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 08:26:50 AM EST
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Afghanistan did, a bunch of hajis didn't just frustrate them like in Iraq, they're on the point of defeating them, of showing the world how to beat the big bad bully.

Considering the Afghan experience of the British and Russians from the 1820's to the 1980's, nobody could have predicted...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:07:45 PM EST
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... nobody could have predicted...

Is this the official/unofficial ET catch-phrase?  Very useful in so many situations.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:12:43 PM EST
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More or less I guess

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:22:27 PM EST
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Seeing as Malta appears to have gone out of fashion

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:27:57 PM EST
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That was something no one could have predicted.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:34:09 PM EST
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And that could have only happened in Malta

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:37:05 PM EST
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right up there with 'we're all doomed'!

"Resonance is the reply from the unknown... Unleash the opera of phenomena." W.A. Mathieu
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:44:05 PM EST
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Or [Europe is Doomed]

don't have the asteroid picture, sorry

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 05:07:28 PM EST
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Helen:
the US wasn't beaten in Vietnam,

the usa was humiliated in vietnam, and had to beat an ignominious retreat, the vietcong prevailed.

afghanistan is similar, in that the talibanis are prevailing through attrition and stubborn reluctance to cede to superior firepower.

having not learned from vietnam, this time it will be more humiliating...

especially as it cannot be said that the war was lost by jane fonda this time, indeed americans seem mostly only moved to end the occupation for solely economic reasons, unsurprising due to the much closer to absolute control of that pesky media, which was still much less muzzled back in the 60's, though still prevalently right wing.

the big difference is the draft, and the fact that vietnam was not on the chinese dime.

"Resonance is the reply from the unknown... Unleash the opera of phenomena." W.A. Mathieu

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:41:44 PM EST
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Well without Jane to focus on, Im sure it will be focused on everyone who dosn't go to church/support the republican party/Lefties on the internet.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:47:22 PM EST
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damn bloggaz!

"Resonance is the reply from the unknown... Unleash the opera of phenomena." W.A. Mathieu
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:51:45 PM EST
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Look on the bright side.  We just might be looking at the end of the US Empire due to fiscal irresponsibilty and that will make it all worth it.  I'd love to see that before I croak;  make the visit all worth it.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:55:36 PM EST
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Afghanistan is just one of the early skirmishes in the Oil Wars. It will get a lot worse.

What Obama will be remembered for is, 1.) being the first black president, and 2.) socialized medicine. The importance of the current wars in the Middle East will fade into insignificance as time goes on.

Consider, for example, the French Indochina War, 1946-1954, over 500,000 dead. Completely overwhelmed in history by the American version of war in Vietnam.

by asdf on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 09:36:18 PM EST
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The reasons the Indochina war is not that much remembered in France are :

  • much, much less significant in the metropole than the Algerian war, which was in a population colony and fought by draftees. Whereas there were at most a few dozen thousands French people in Indochina, and the war was fought by soldiers from the Legion and the Colonies.

  • Pretty much all the French politicians (bar the communists) were guilty of participating in the war. The non-personality oriented nature of decision making in the 4th Republic means that there is no single historical figure associated with deciding to fight the war (unlike ending it, which is why Mendes France is remembered)


Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 11:35:30 PM EST
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But it isn't socialised medicine, it's simply a compulsory but private basic health insurance.

these two things are not the same

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 05:57:41 AM EST
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Like car insurance...

However, the principle that health coverage should be universal has been established even if the implementation can be found lacking.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 06:02:57 AM EST
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If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:30:03 PM EST
There was another film in there too, which involved a US ship and a russian sub and they ended up blowing each other up.

But wasn't "from the depths of hell, I stab at thee" Khan's line and not Picard's

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:16:55 PM EST
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The Final Countdown was the other film.

Not the worst Science Fiction film ever to escape be released.  But it's up there.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:11:08 PM EST
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Oh, yea, I know that, but there's a third film in there; the one I described.

the parachute torpedo and the explosion were scenes from that third film.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:16:14 PM EST
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Red Storm?

(Thunderstorm moving in.  AGAIN.  Sheesh.  So much for living in a desert.  Time to shut down.)

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:22:41 PM EST
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No, it's quite tightly plotted between a US warship and a russian sub. the US captain is a bit of an aggressive prick and as he ramps up the tension a nuclear tipped depth charge is fired so the russian fires back. Mutally assured destruction.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:32:12 PM EST
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I think you're referring to The Bedford Incident with Richard Widmark and Sydney Poitier

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:20:42 PM EST
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Ah just beat me to it, food intervened in answering

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:33:05 PM EST
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that's the beastie, thank you

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:33:13 PM EST
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This is wonderfully bonkers.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 01:34:40 PM EST
Don't have nightmares now

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:12:50 PM EST
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I hope I never come into direct contact with someone taking the drugs you'd need to come up with that

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:20:42 PM EST
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I'd be more worried if they dont need drugs to come up with that.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 02:26:46 PM EST
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Incident report: 25 - 27 July 2010, 52 hour power interruption to 130,000 customers throughout Montgomery and Prince George counties, MD, according a Pepco customer service representative authorized to answer phones as of midnight 27 July. This was the third such interruption since 1 January 2010. As before, the utility's agents identified the cause of the interruption being inclement weather, another storm, rather than customer demand, so relieving the corporation of unspecified service liabilities. Refrigerators were emptied. Seniors citizens bivouaked at community facilities by day for AC. Others sought libraries as never before for their outlets in order to charge numerous portable devices and connect to the public wi-fi network. One neighbor indicated ruefully, her children began to exhibit "drug seeking behavior" within 12 hours of the outage. County authorities deployed police to crucial intersections to manage vehicle traffic.

Ironically, After storm, Pepco PR man tries social networking to calm customer ire

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 03:51:26 PM EST
Captured: America in Color from 1939-1943 - Plog Photo Blog
These images, by photographers of the Farm Security Administration/Office of War Information, are some of the only color photographs taken of the effects of the Depression on America's rural and small town populations. The photographs are the property of the Library of Congress and were included in a 2006 exhibit Bound for Glory: America in Color.


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 04:45:09 PM EST
"some of the only" ???
"SOME OF THE ONLY" ???

It's hopeless. We might as well start speaking pig latin.

by asdf on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 09:37:54 PM EST
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Well, it's like Gone With The Wind is one of the only movies ever made.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 02:13:58 AM EST
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About 2 years ago, they must have put up a memorial in Via Belanzani in Trento to the soldiers who fell in WW1. There are so many of these in Europe, that I didn't pay attention, but I just happened to look at it as I was passing by yesterday. It's a memorial to soldiers of the Austro-Hungarian army! Is there anything similar elsewhere in Europe?

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jul 28th, 2010 at 10:40:04 PM EST
War memorial - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
After World War 1, some towns in France set up pacifist war memorials. Instead of commemorating the glorious dead, these memorials denounce war with figures of grieving widows and children rather than soldiers. Such memorials provoked anger among veterans and the military in general. The most famous is at Gentioux-Pigerolles in the department of Creuse. Below the column which lists the name of the fallen, stands an orphan in bronze pointing to an inscription `Maudite soit la guerre' (Cursed be war). Feelings ran so high that the memorial was not officially inaugurated until 1990 and soldiers at the nearby army camp were under orders to turn their heads when they walked past. Another such memorial is in the small town of Équeurdreville-Hainneville (formerly Équeurdreville) in the department of Manche. Here the statue is of a grieving widow with two small children.[1][2]


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 06:39:14 AM EST
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"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Jul 29th, 2010 at 07:37:17 AM EST
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