Thursday Open Thread

by afew
Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:40:49 AM EST

Because yesterday was Wednesday


Login
. Make a new account
. Reset password

Display:
...and tomorrow is Friday. I think.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:41:42 AM EST
Well, I am definitely sure that tomorrow is another day. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:54:40 AM EST
[ Parent ]
You know, there's a clip for that:



Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:06:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Wow, LOL, didn't know I was in such good company. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:10:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Who Could Have Predicted?

IT Salaries: Want to Earn More? Fire People | CIO - Blogs and Discussion

The CEOs who oversaw the largest layoffs at their companies during the recession earn more than their peers, new research shows.

New research from the Institute for Policy Studies shows a direct correlation between compensation (in particular, CEO compensation) and layoffs. The CEOs who oversaw the largest layoffs at their companies during the recession earned more money in 2009--42 percent more--than their peers at S&P 500 firms.

The Institute for Policy Studies' data demonstrates that the larger the layoffs a CEO oversees inside his company, the more money he will make.

What makes the layoff-as-salary-boosting-strategy even more ironic is that companies allegedly conduct layoffs and institute pay cuts and salary freezes for staff to make or maintain their numbers when business goes down the tubes--yet CEO pay rises at the same time that the business appears to be suffering the most. 


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:54:30 AM EST
Peruvian priest, German anti-racist group receive Aachen Peace Prize | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 02.09.2010
The Aachen Peace Prize and its 2,000-euro award have been given to a German anti-racist society as well as a Catholic priest and human rights advocate from Peru. 

The Duisburg anti-racism group Phoenix Society and Peruvian priest and human rights activist Marco Arana received the Aachen Peace Prize on Wednesday for their advocacy and fieldwork.

"Both believe in the respect for human dignity," said Karl Heinz Otten, chairman of the prize committee, at a ceremony in Aachen with about 500 guests on Wednesday evening. "We would like to help them by honoring their fieldwork."

The Aachen Peace Prize comes with a 2,000-euro prize and is awarded annually to organizations and individuals who have shown exception work toward peace and international understanding.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:57:09 AM EST
Charges that unification was really an annexation stir up memories | Germany | Deutsche Welle | 01.09.2010
Germany marked the 20th anniversary of the signing of the treaty that sealed German unity, even as some eastern politicians were questioning the deal, which they say was more like annexation than unification. 

German Chancellor Angela Merkel led a ceremony in Berlin on Tuesday to commemorate the signing of the Unity Treaty, which led to the eventual reunification of a divided Germany.

In her speech at the ceremony, Merkel said that Germany must fight around the world for the freedom and democracy that it achieved in its reunification.

"If we weaken in this regard, we weaken in our prosperity and success," she said. "The Unity Treaty should be a good example for other treaties that have yet to be signed around the world."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:58:31 AM EST
German Trains in the Channel Tunnel?: Plans Move Ahead for Germany-Britain Rail Connection - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Germany's national railway has long resented the fact that its high-speed ICE trains are not allowed to operate through the Channel Tunnel. But a test run is planned for October and, if rules are eased, the company could be on track to introduce passenger services direct from Cologne to London in time for the 2012 Olympics.

In October, German national railway operator Deutsche Bahn will take its high-speed InterCityExpress (ICE) trains through the Channel Tunnel for the first time. Those trips will only be trial runs and will include the testing of evacuation procedures. But if all goes according to plan, official permission for German ICE trains to operate through the Channel Tunnel could be given as early as 2012.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 11:59:27 AM EST
Dutch Christian Democrats limping back to coalition talks | Radio Netherlands Worldwide

The Dutch Christian Democrat Appeal party (CDA) has closed ranks after a deep crisis over coalition talks with Geert Wilders' anti-Islam Freedom Party.

But anti-Islam politician Geert Wilders, who is the ultimate cause of the crisis, indicated he will question CDA's reliability as a future coalition partner. The Christian Democrats are hoping to resume coalition talks with the free-market liberal VVD and Geert Wilders' Freedom Party in the course of Thursday.

Dutch politics, usually devoid of drama, seemed about to witness a fatal split in the Christian Democrat party, both among MPs and at grassroots level. But opting for a typical compromise solution, deputy coalition negotiator, mild-mannered rational protestant Ab Klink, stepped back and his place at the negotiating table alongside party leader Maxime Verhagen will be taken by MP Ank Bijleveld. The coalition talks will resume on Thursday. Ab Klink and two other dissident Christian Democrat MPs will reserve judgement, taking a back seat until the new government accord is presented.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:01:09 PM EST
Greece aims to extinguish its addiction to smoking - Europe, World - The Independent

A fresh crackdown on smoking started in Greece yesterday, with the government outlawing cigarettes in enclosed public spaces and placing new limits on tobacco advertising.

Under new regulations, anyone who breaks the rules by lighting up indoors in public will face fines of between €50 and €400. Business owners could be fined up to €10,000 or lose their licences.

It is the second such attempt to curb tobacco addiction in Europe's biggest-smoking nation in just over a year. It is estimated that more than 40 per cent of Greek adults smoke - well above the EU's average of 29 per cent.

Prime Minister, George Papandreou, says the smoking ban is aimed at protecting public health.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:06:46 PM EST
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:08:22 PM EST
Oil Rig Explodes In The Gulf Of Mexico Off The Louisiana Coast

An offshore oil rig exploded in the Gulf of Mexico on Thursday, west of the site of the April blast that caused the massive oil spill.

A commercial helicopter company reported the blast around 9:30 a.m. CDT Thursday, Coast Guard Petty Officer Casey Ranel said. Seven helicopters, two airplanes and four boats were en route to the site, about 80 miles south of Vermilion Bay along the central Louisiana coast.

The Coast Guard said initial reports indicated all 13 crew members from the rig were in the water. One was injured, but there were no deaths.

The platform owned by Mariner Energy is in about 2,500 feet of water, the Coast Guard said, and was not currently producing.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:13:40 PM EST
I may not believe in God, but I am starting to wonder about a Devil.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:18:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
the devil is just god underloved.

(value of 'god' equal to the amount of natural resources available, divided by the number of humans...)

:)

Hopeful pessimist, hopeless optimist, it's a fine line

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:47:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
BBC News - Explosion on Gulf of Mexico rig

An explosion has torn through an offshore oil rig in the Gulf of Mexico, west of the site of the blast in April that caused a huge oil spill.

The blast, which threw 13 people into the water, was reported by a commercial helicopter company about 0930 local time (1330 GMT), Coast Guard Petty Officer Casey Ranel said.

It is unclear if the structure is a production platform or a drilling rig.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:43:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Daily Kos: UPDATE: NATURAL GAS Platform Explodes in the Gulf of Mexico

MAJOR UPDATE: According to CNN, this was a NATURAL GAS platform, not an oil rig. Additionally, a Paramedic on a neighboring rig said that he confirmed via helicopter radio chatter that NO ONE WAS INJURED. Obviously, that's a major conflict from what's been reported thus far, so I'll try to confirm as more information becomes available.

Jesus, I feel like someone just punched me in the gut.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 01:07:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Offshore Oil Rig Explodes in Gulf of Mexico, West of Deepwater Horizon   ABC

An oil sheen has been reported near the site of an offshore oil platform that exploded and burst into flames off the Louisiana coast in the Gulf of Mexico, according to the U.S. Coast Guard.

Coast Guard Petty Officer Matthew Masaschi told ABC News that Mariner Energy, the company that owns the rig platform, reported a "slight oil sheen" that measured "one nautical mile by 100 feet." One nautical mile measures just over a regular mile.

"We're uncertain what the status of a potential leak is and we're trying to evaluate the situation," said Masaschi.

A press release from the Mariner Energy contradicted the Coast Guards reports of the sheen.

"In an initial flyover, no hydrocarbon spill was reported," read the release.

That size of a sheen could be the result of petrochemicals on the platform. I havn't seen any reports of fire, so perhaps the BOP Stack worked this time. Time will tell.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 02:12:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Jesus, I feel like someone just punched me in the gut.

Take two Allswell pills and go to bed. Call your therapist if you still feel bad tomorrow morning.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 02:15:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
FT.com / Companies / Banks - RBS cuts further 3,500 jobs
Royal Bank of Scotland is axing another 3,500 jobs, taking to almost 27,000 the number of staff cut since Stephen Hester took over as chief executive of the troubled UK bank less than two years ago.

The cuts are part of a process to rationalise the RBS's back-office operations, halving to 10 the number of its key processing centres. As part of the exercise, sites in Leeds and Bolton will close next year, followed by Bristol, Liverpool, Milton Keynes, Plymouth, Telford, Bradford, Norwich and Harrogate in 2012. There will also be job losses at sites in Enfield and Borehamwood.

About a third of the cuts are understood to be related to the £1.65bn sale of 318 branches to Santander last month. Although branch staff are being transferred as part of the sale, back-office resources are not. RBS currently employs about 160,000 people globally.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:17:57 PM EST


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:33:37 PM EST
Facebook faces campaign to switch to renewable energy | Environment | guardian.co.uk
Social networking site under fire over intention to run giant new data centre mainly on coal-powered electricity

Social networking website Facebook is coming under unprecedented pressure from its users to switch to renewable energy. In one of the web's fastest-growing environmental campaigns, Greenpeace international says at least 500,000 people have now protested at the organisation's intention to run its giant new data centre mainly on electricity produced by burning coal power.

Facebook will not say how much electricity it uses to stream video, store information and connect its 500m users but industry estimates suggest that at their present rate of growth all the data centres and telecommunication networks in the world will consume about 1,963bn kilowatt hours of electricity by 2020. That is more than triple their current consumption and more electricity than is used by France, Germany, Canada and Brazil combined.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:35:37 PM EST
`You Got Belgians Running Europe?' « The Enterprise Blog
Former British Prime Minister Tony Blair's memoir A Journey: My Political Life hits bookstores today, and Blair has a big profile in today's Style section of the Washington Post. The book includes many fascinating anecdotes about former President George W. Bush, but one stands out. The scene is Bush's first G-8 meeting in Genoa in 2001, where he has just been lectured by the prime minister of Belgium, Guy Verhofstadt, on America's responsibilities to combat global warming:


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 12:47:29 PM EST


You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 01:03:14 PM EST
The current is back on!

dances in the street

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne

by maracatu on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 01:17:02 PM EST
It lasted two hours and then went off again!  Our electrical infrastructure is shot through.

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 at 07:10:58 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Liberal conspiracy - Sunny Hundal - NYT's Andy Coulson expose raises big questions about Scotland Yard

The explosive New York Times story is mostly about the News of the World and its practices.

But it is also, perhaps more significantly, about Scotland Yard and how it conducted investigations during the episode. Here is what it has written about Scotland Yard (quoted from the paper, emphasis mine).

Seems like the relationship is waaaay too cosy for the good of anyone.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 01:50:42 PM EST
And of course it took the NYT five paragraphs before they confirmed my suspicion of Rupert Moloch.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 02:29:17 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well it isn't like it's gone away

News of the World told press watchdog of fresh phone-hacking allegation | Media | guardian.co.uk

The News of the World is facing a fresh allegation of phone hacking against one of its journalists, the Press Complaints Commission confirmed today.

The commission was informed by the paper just over two months ago about the allegation, and the journalist involved has been "suspended from reporting duties".

Stephen Abell, the PCC director, confirmed today that the press regulator was informed in by the paper in June "of the existence of the recent allegation of phone-message hacking against the reporter". Abell said that the PCC was prevented from launching its own investigation because the allegation was "the subject of legal action".

One could almost think that the current William Hague story might be a shot across the Bows of the government in case they are thinking about doing anything about the phone-tapping and police Scandal.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 02:40:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
IIRC, that broke more through Ian Dale or Guido Fawkes (can't remember/don't care which).

I always felt that story was more driven by tory homophobia than the press, who've rather had their hands burnt by public indifference to gay stuff of late. And judging by the way things have panned out, it looks like there was no there there which, if they'd wanted to shoot across the bows, they'd have picked something with a little more substance than one photo that tweaked one bloggers gaydar.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 03:55:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Ah pre Guido, the story was Hinted at most heavily by Torygraph and Fail at least a week before he started hinting at it.

Well its a story that has long legs, there have been rumours reaching back 15 years about Hagues sexuality. If  there is more to it (and I'm not saying there is), it would be a reasonable way to send a message, Even if there isn't anything to it it shows the ammount of damage a malicious press could do

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:12:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The British Tabloid Phone-Hacking Scandal - NYTimes.com
Andy Hayman, who ran the case for Scotland Yard, has since retired. He declined to comment for this article. He is currently a columnist for The Times of London, where he has written in defense of the police investigation and maintained there were "perhaps a handful" of hacking victims. The paper is owned by News International.


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:57:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Response From News of the World
Response From News of the World


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 05:39:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
alan rusbridger (arusbridger) on Twitter
FT reports 10 MPs believe they were targeted by NOW phone hackers. Lawyers "suspect up to 6,000 targets" www.ft.com


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 05:56:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Think it's getting close to popcorn time.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 05:59:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A Times Must-Read on the News Corp. Hacking Scandal : CJR

The New York Times Magazine is out with a riveting story on the corruption at News Corporation's News International division.

It's a fascinating look at the depravity and cynicism of the British tabloid press and of the British government.



never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 05:58:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
this is why i think the Hague story isn't related, it's a proxy fight for the one in New york between the NYT & WSJ.

If Newscorp want this to go away they have to talk to the NYT. Getting huffy with the tories won't cut it cos the NYT's pet dog in the UK, the Guardian, will publish and be damned anyway.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 at 04:09:16 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Liberal conspiracy - Liberal mag attacks `Neo-Liberal Democrats'

s the Liberal Democrats prepare for their first party conference since entering coalition, The Liberal magazine has published a savage attack on Libdem ministers, arguing the government's wide-ranging and ambitious public sector reforms will erode the liberal architecture of the welfare state.

The Liberal offers an in-depth analysis of the party's rapidly changing identity.

Contributing editor Simon Kovar charts the rise of the `Orange Bookers' and argues that the leadership has left behind not just the party's membership and voting base but its political and philosophical traditions - a radical departure that has given birth to `The Neo-Liberal Democrats'.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 01:54:04 PM EST
With land value tax, Labour is getting it right | Benjamin Fox | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk

Labour leadership hopeful Andy Burnham provoked a minor storm on Cif last week with his proposal to introduce a land value tax (LVT). This was unsurprising - introducing LVT would be the most radical change to the tax system in a generation. But some of the comments need closer examination. This is a complex issue, and the benefits of a Burnham-style LVT are not immediately obvious. So what are the potential problems and benefits, how can they be overcome, and why abolish council tax, stamp duty and inheritance tax?

The case for abolishing council tax (CT) is easy. Council tax is an unfair tax that disproportionately hits the poor. A person living in a property worth £100,000 pays around 40% of the tax paid by someone owning a property worth £1m. This is palpably unjust. Taxation should be proportionate and based on the ability to pay. CT utterly fails these tests. We all know that the CT bands are a farce. Indeed, there has been no UK-wide revaluation since CT was introduced in 1991, because it is so unpopular, and politicians are well aware that average house values have more than trebled since then.

This article on Land Value Tax - which is now being advocated by one of the candidates for the Labour leadership, Andy Burnham - has without doubt brought out the finest crop of completely idiotic and self contradictory comments - from Stalinist Left to Austerian Right- I have ever seen from people trying to justify the unjustifiable.

As one of the wiser heads - manningtreeimp - ruefully observes....

Great how a discussion on an alternative system of taxation which historically has its roots on the right suddenly becomes a socialist ploy to destroy the country...unbelievable



Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 01:57:43 PM EST
I admire your patience, CiF comment threads are impenetrable. I might read the first 10 or so but then give up. Especially when/if the US right start chiming in.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 02:23:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I don't often get involved because of the uselessness of the CiF site, but in this case I couldn't resist.......

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 02:34:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You have been known to posit similar undergirding your vision, no?

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 03:14:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It has been known....

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith
by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 03:31:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Chris Brooke (virtualstoa) on Twitter
Blair, p.518: "The Daily Mail, in particular, was vicious. As I say, Gordon was close to Paul Dacre, the editor-in-chief of the Mail Group."


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:13:00 PM EST
The Mind Boggles at that one

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:13:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Chris Brooke (virtualstoa) on Twitter
Blair, pp. 512-3: In 2008, the media said Obama was the visionary, McCain the "old political hack", but it was the other way around.


never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:24:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Arise, Lord Darth Blair of Mordor.

This is fun too:

BBC - Open Secrets: Why Tony Blair thinks he was an idiot

"You idiot. You naive, foolish, irresponsible nincompoop. There is really no description of stupidity, no matter how vivid, that is adequate. I quake at the imbecility of it."
These are the words Tony Blair addresses to himself in his memoirs while reflecting on his government's introduction of the Freedom of Information Act.

And this:

Tony Blair: Diana was a manipulator like me - Telegraph

Blair felt that the royal family?s lack of response to the Princess?s death was dangerous for them in the face of a massive outpouring of public grief Photo: PA The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh view the floral tributes to Diana, Princess of Wales, at Buckingham Palace Photo: PA

Diana, Princess of Wales was down to earth, charming and intelligent, but also stubborn and prone to be over-emotional, says Mr Blair.

He recalls meeting the Princess at Chequers in July 1997, the month before she died, saying he felt an uneasiness about her relationship with Dodi Fayed but could not put his finger on why. He says she did not appreciate him broaching the subject with her.

"We were both, in our own way, manipulators" -- good at grasping the feelings of others and instinctively playing on them.

(Itals mine.)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:44:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Those in the industry knew we were in a rocky period since the ongoing financial meltdown, but virtually all, myself included, assumed it was a phase. There were even signs that orders for 2011 were increasing.

Moventus Says Otherwise

Moventus is at the head of the quality gearbox queue for wind turbines, and one of the three top global suppliers.  This negative news from them has me rethinking my perception of where we are as an industry.


On Tuesday 24 August Moventas announced negotiations with staff in Jyväskylä, with the aim of shedding 150 man-years. The cut in man-years will not directly translate into 150 redundancies.

At the moment, Moventas's wind power business employs more than 600 people, some of whom in turn have been temporarily laid off since April of last year.

"We were picking up new customers as recently as the spring, but during July-August we've received a lot of negative messages, and some customers have tried to cancel orders. We won't be able to offer full employment to our entire staff for the next year," Jäämaa predicts.

This is the worst bit of news i've seen in the industry for some time. Perhaps it's just for Moventus' sphere in the industry, but it's very recent, and is at least a marker.

The offshore wind industry is certainly a separate market, this news is for the far larger onshore sector. At the very least, it means that we're now reaping the hesitating energy policies of the cowards who are in power.

The energy prices with which our industry must compete have always been artificially low, as externalities, though computed relatively accurately, are not included. So in addition to our market being skewed anyway, we are now dealing with the likelihood that financial decisions more focused on short term survival in meltdown stage two are drawing funds from the global onshore wind industry.

As this industry is an absolutely key sector of hint of recovery, this is a canary in the coal mine warning.

For example, the US looks to drop some 30% or more from last year.  Last year i was almost the only analyst to correctly predict US growth, this year i'm still in the dark, despite the lateness. The sign from Moventus was not expected, and is a strong predictor.

In this comment I will not go into the passed ball (own goal) by the Obama admin, chalking it up to the US being owned already. Though the US is a large sector of the global market, it is only one sector, This news is not healthy.

This is where the accent should be...


Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:35:00 PM EST
Moventus has been a key supplier to global leader Vestas, as well as Gamesa. More importantly, they have very key secondary customers, REpower and GE, as well as up and coming Alstom Acciona.

While i've heard rumblings, this public news shocks me.  Coming as it does on the troubles of market 2nd Hansen. I would like to be at a Winergy strategy session tonight.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 04:44:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sorry to hear this.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 at 08:14:34 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Are there cheap gears coming out of China?

Talking to an expert in the stainless steel industry, he pointed out that China has been very competitive on price, but very unreliable on quality. There are many types of stainless, and design and production engineers need to know that any batch conforms exactly to specs for the type. It is on this info that they base their calculations for load-bearing, ductability, fireproofness etc etc, some of which are critical.

I'm sure that China will get the concept of quality control right in the future - but for now?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 at 08:40:29 AM EST
[ Parent ]
New Statesman - William Hague's duty to the party

"Well, if you're not gay, why haven't you got that nice girl pregnant yet?" It's the sort of question one expects only from atrocious, senile grandparents and the British press in silly season.

Beset by trollish gossip about his relationship with his former aide Christopher Myers, the Foreign Secretary has felt obliged to make an extremely intimate public announcement about the state of his wife's uterus to satisfy the snarling attack-dogs of the sweltering summer media hiatus. Poor William Hague. Poor Chris Myers. And poor Ffion Hague, whose multiple miscarriages have now been offered to the world as evidence of her husband's integrity and virility.



never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Sep 2nd, 2010 at 08:53:31 PM EST


Display:
Go to: [ European Tribune Homepage : Top of page : Top of comments ]