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'Allah Akbar' gargoyle on the Lyon Cathedral

One reason that it might is that its pretty much guaranteed to end up in the courts. According to Scottish legal bloggers Coulson is almost certain to be one of the major witnesses in tbe Tommy Sheridan perjury case as much of that came out of news international. So their news gathering methods will be certain to be examined.

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:35:29 AM EST
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Re: Sunday Open Thread (4.00 / 6)

A new gargoyle was put up on the Lyon cathedral, the seat of the Archbishop of Lyon, in honor of Benzizine Ahmed, the Muslim foreman who led the restoration work on the cathedral tower. The gargoyle stands over a sign saying "Allah Akbar" (God is greatest) in both Arabic and French.

" 'Allah Akbar', everybody agrees with that! It's not as if we wrote that Mohammed is our prophet..." says one of the diocese people. Father Cacaud, rector of the cathedral, wouldn't confirm that agreement was given by the archbishop. The diocese spokespeople said that the builders sometimes take certain liberties outside the sacred area.

Repellin Didier, head architect for historical monuments, says the stonemasons and sculptures of the cathedral have a tradition to portray the people they esteem. Ahmed, who worked for 30 years on the cathedral, is competent and very humble. A quiet man who is appreciated. It's a beautiful human gesture, says Didier.

The extreme right is up in arms...

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:11:11 AM EST

Oh good grief.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:16:17 AM EST
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Melanchthon:

up in arms...

Some fool will take a potshot at it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:40:01 AM EST
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Re: Sunday Open Thread (none / 1)

Banned in the UK for copyright reasons, bought at an anonymous mall stop in California.

It somehow survived three weeks in a car with blistering temperatures in the desert, bear attacks in Yosemite, a visit to Vegas, and the death of Elvis.

I was 14. I still have it downstairs.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:53:34 PM EST
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Cool gargoyle. ;)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 03:05:27 PM EST
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The Ying Tong song (4.00 / 3)

The first record I bought with my own money. And a lifetime's respect for Mr Milligan.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:12:45 AM EST

Re: The Ying Tong song (none / 1)

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:19:03 AM EST
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Re: The Ying Tong song (4.00 / 2)

The first record I bought with my own money was Archie Shepp's "Fire Music"

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:53:36 AM EST
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And as a tribute to the ET meet-ups: (4.00 / 2)

"Sous le Ciel de Paris"...

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 10:56:41 AM EST
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Re: The Ying Tong song (4.00 / 2)

The first Archie Shepp record I bought was Blasé (though this wasn't the cover).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:36:30 AM EST
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1st Purchase Archie Shepp??? (none / 1)

Man, we had us some weird teenagers grow up into this blog. you'd think Otis Redding would come before Archie Shepp, oder?

I doubt if i could remember the first Blu-Ray i bought as a kid. i do remember you had to put the weird yellow thing in the big hole to make it stay centered for the laser.

i think i was heading toward the ripe old age of 12 when pops bought me something he called a record player. it had detachable speakers with cords long enough to stretch on either side of my pillow. i'm not sure if i knew what headphones were.

so i would go to bed listening to Sketches of Spain, the same side over and over again, until i finally killed the bull midway through the night. then i would wake sadly, and flip the "record" over.

Not certain if this had an effect on my schooling, though i did sleep a lot in class.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:23:29 PM EST
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Crazy Horse:

you'd think Otis Redding would come before Archie Shepp

You couldn't be more right! The first time I was asked which record I would like as a gift, I asked for this one:

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:39:13 PM EST
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Did you get it?

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:59:51 PM EST
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Re: 1st Purchase Archie Shepp??? (4.00 / 3)

Oh yes, and I loved it! It was an LP with this piece on it, too:

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:10:06 PM EST
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Re: 1st Purchase Archie Shepp??? (4.00 / 3)

wow. imagine the effect on impressionable young minds.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:17:21 PM EST
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Crazy Horse:

the effect on impressionable young minds.

And bodies, man, and bodies...

Besides, it was 1968, so there was a lot of other things/events that impressed my young mind...

"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char

by Melanchthon on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:25:52 PM EST
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Re: 1st Purchase Archie Shepp??? (4.00 / 2)

and i was so uncool. for sure this wasn't the first i bought with my own money from my parents, but it will take some time to work backwards and discover the first.

i have no explanation as to why i taught the kids in my woodlands class to sing Xochimilco instead of locomotion. ahhh, but that leads to...

I snuck into the control room at camp, and instead of revillie, i woke th kids up to this...

and i don't know why, other than i was so cool (ahem)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:41:17 PM EST
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Re: 1st Purchase Archie Shepp??? (4.00 / 4)

besides Miles Davis, this one also affected me in ways i would prefer not to explore.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:57:02 PM EST
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My older sister had me listening to Phineas Newborn at a tender preteen age.

But I am not sure that US audiences went through the same trad jazz and coffee shop music seague as in the UK ('51 - '61)

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:24:07 PM EST
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Re: 1st Purchase Archie Shepp??? (none / 0)

I forgot to point out that trad jazz lead to US jazz for some, and to skiffle and rock for others.

There is a strong jazz tradition in the Nordics, still alive today.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:26:31 PM EST
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Take me back to Vienna (4.00 / 2)

Haven't heard it in a while, but every sequence is inscribed in what's left of my memory. Given how much of my memory is left, this could be a good or a bad thing.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:15:21 AM EST
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Re: Take me back to Vienna (none / 0)

I wonder if Rupert Rigsby's cat Vienna, in Rising Damp, was in hommage (sic) ?

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 11:23:31 AM EST
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Re: Take me back to Vienna (none / 0)

That's a blank for me, I was far from British TV in the '70s.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:10:21 PM EST
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So... What's for dinner? (none / 1)

My wife and I went for a walk in the woods this afternoon, and look what we came home with:

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:25:27 PM EST

Re: So... What's for dinner? (4.00 / 2)

dvx, i recognize those. They're mushrooms!

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:30:16 PM EST
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Re: So... What's for dinner? (4.00 / 2)

Yup, the eating-for-dinner kind, as opposed to the eating-for-enlightenment variety.

So if god starts revealing herself to me in all her heathen splendor, I'm calling the toxi taxi pretty damn quick. ;)

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:00:40 PM EST
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Re: So... What's for dinner? (4.00 / 6)

in either case stay calm, focus on your breathing, notice the space between in and out breaths, and ignore the weird creatures beckoning you to open their doors, they are only figments of your 40,000 year old brain.

You can attempt to follow the tendrils. They seem to be interesting pathways, though they often lead nowhere. Better to focus on the smoke plumes from the blue caterpillar.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:10:23 PM EST
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I would have no problem per se with a performance of the Castaneda Chorus. It's just that their appearance at this juncture would imply an error in plucking judgment that might have additional and less friendly effects.

But I don't feel anything. Do you feel anything?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:01:21 PM EST
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Are you familiar with the ones with the reddish glow?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:09:12 PM EST
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Re: So... What's for dinner? (none / 1)

Boletus luridiformis?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:22:40 PM EST
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Well, you're still more lucid than lurid...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:36:51 PM EST
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Damn, I'm slow tonight. Of course you mean Sister Amanita.

We saw her standing beside a tree stump. She looked so pretty there that we decided not to take her home to dinner.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:43:03 PM EST
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She was waiting for her man. Which is why she was lurid.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:46:48 PM EST
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Re: So... What's for dinner? (none / 1)

26 dollars in her hand.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 06:05:40 PM EST
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Re: So... What's for dinner? (none / 1)

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Sep 6th, 2010 at 04:03:36 AM EST
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Started raining a bit here (4.00 / 2)

last week with some more due this week. Going chanterelle hunting in the Gifford Pinchot National Forest later this week with a couple of other woodsy types.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:59:09 PM EST
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Somebody HELP! (none / 0)

I mistakenly archived the diary about next Friday's ET dinner along with all replies. How can I get it out ot the archives?

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:52:35 PM EST

Re: Somebody HELP! (4.00 / 4)

Use the force, Luke.

(i sheepishly realize this was not the help you were seeking. Apologetic, i am.)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:57:29 PM EST
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Bremen Car-Free Day (4.00 / 4)

the CH spent the afternoon walking the bike-congested streets of greater downtown Bremen today. i saw bikes that went backwards when you pedaled forwards, i say bier kegs as wheels, i saw 6 people bikes all pointing toward the center, but still the thing went forward. i saw people dressed as traditional Yurpeens riding bikes with one really big wheel and one really small wheel, i saw bikes that rode the waves like surfers even though there were no waves...

i saw low riders revving up their, umh, well, can't really say, as there was nothing to rev, but they seemed to be revving something. Hard-ass mofos, even the girls. there were bikes with cockpits. there were bikes with assist from wind-powered electrics, there were bikes with steer horns.

some Asian guy was doing tricks.

(LEP and In Wales might well wonder why there are no photographs of this amazing day in Bremen. Is there some form of dysfunction where one is too amazed to actually reach in the pocket and pull out the shit iphone camera. Especially the beer keg bike, which made a lot of noise. and we didn't even react when the Lady Godiva bike passed.)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 12:53:56 PM EST

We're Getting Closer (none / 0)

Still don't know the first Blu-Ray i bought, but...

i have no excuse. (But i like the thread, even though i haven't yet come to terms with Archie Shepp)

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 01:47:24 PM EST

Re: We're Getting Closer (none / 1)

No, no excuse. Teenager in Love. Oh my. Even then I thought it was... Never mind.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 03:11:22 PM EST
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Re: We're Getting Closer (none / 0)

so did eye. bought it anyway. (not true, i don't believe i bought it, i just believe it followed me everywhere AM radio went, so it felt as if i bought it.)

just had to post it in the search to discover what the first i bought was.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 03:35:33 PM EST
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Re: We're Getting Closer (none / 1)

I didn't own anything to play records on till considerably later, so it was albums from the start. The first might have been by the Beatles, or Dylan, The Band, Doors... But probably a toss-up between American Beauty and After The Gold Rush.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:04:20 PM EST
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Ayn Rand (none / 0)

Jeez, while searching for my teenage roots, i discovered this interview. Fer Gopods friggin' sakes.

"I'm for the separation of state and economics."

truly telling, this video.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 02:08:26 PM EST

Re: Ayn Rand (none / 1)

PS. Though searching the roots of Archie Shepp would be a good evenings work, tonite i will watch Antichrist from Lars von Trier.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 02:12:02 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (none / 0)

(After reading the imdb synopsis)

My considered opinion:

Yuck.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 02:34:11 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (none / 1)

in the reference sphere of film ethiography, one would assume that a more accurate pathway to deep understanding of film would not come from reading "imdb synopsis," particularly when one is discussing the archie shepp of the film world.

i take a break as the film crashed the viewer, which likely has little to do with the title.

but you are so wrong. (well, at least that's what i say.) i love watching, (yup, i said love) the way von Trier composes his shots to be artistic reflections on the moment's theme. in the age of playstation filmmaking, being taken back to the art of it all, even the incomprehensible parts, is exhilarating.

but then i'm just a media-molded teenager in love.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 03:33:30 PM EST
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von Trier (none / 0)

i will not sleep easy tonight.

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 06:03:47 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (none / 0)

You're not helping your defence lawyer. Lars von Trier? Listen to Otis Redding. Or Archie Shepp.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 03:13:30 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (none / 0)

PPS. Notice her eyes,

Skennah Kowa

by Crazy Horse on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 02:15:05 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (4.00 / 3)

Her teeth are bad. Probably didn't have health insurance.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 03:15:51 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (4.00 / 3)

Check out how Wallace prefaces his first question:

"One of the principal achievements of this country in the last 20 years I think most people will agree is the gradual growth of of social, protective legislation based on the principle that we are our brother's keeper."

Damn. How'd that Overton window get way over there?

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 03:58:49 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (none / 0)

And Rand's lead-in to her first answer: "[I feel] they everybody feels [about social programs], just more consciously."

Brilliant. Despicable, but brilliant.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:37:55 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (none / 0)

Should read: "the way everybody feels..."

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:39:08 PM EST
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Re: Ayn Rand (none / 0)

shuddering stormtroopers....

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 04:20:55 PM EST
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Re: Sunday Open Thread (none / 1)

My favourite sax solo....

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Sun Sep 5th, 2010 at 07:20:26 PM EST

So where the UK government says it will only be giving student visas to the best and the brightest, is that brightest in its meaning closest to white?

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Sep 6th, 2010 at 03:10:05 AM EST