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That's probably a recycled OT header...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:21:38 AM EST
A knotty problem, certainly.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:42:32 AM EST
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Hi afew. Could you delete my first diary on Friday evening meetup and move up the second that I just wrote? Thanks!

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!
by LEP (rafifoon@yahoo.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:15:40 PM EST
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Done. People should recommend it to move it up into the Rec List, that's beyond my powers.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:27:29 PM EST
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BBC News - Petraeus: Koran burning plan will endanger US troops
Mr Jones said the church was "very concerned" after hearing Gen Petraeus' warning and was taking his words seriously. He said the church was praying on the matter but he said the group had "firmly made up our minds".

"How long do we back down?" he said on CNN.

In Kabul on Monday, about 500 protesters chanted "long live Islam" and "death to America" as they set fire to an effigy of Mr Jones.



By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:45:25 AM EST
This from dKos during the same interview

During the interview, he repeatedly conceded that he "would indeed offend" Muslims. But, he claimed, "peaceful Muslims" should be supporting his hate campaign. "Moderate Muslims should be on our side," Jones argued.

Chetry, unable to restrain herself any longer, indignantly responded: "No moderate Muslim's going to be on your side when you're burning their holy book! I mean, that just sounds silly."

Rare insight from a TV interviewer

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:52:21 AM EST
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They probably have the insights but have been trained not to verbalize them.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:05:22 PM EST
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I wouldn't bank on that. A few television reporters yes, but the vast majority no. Personally, I think many TV reporters see their job as a way to hobnob with the rich and powerful. TV news is their way to get access to the club that they would not have entry to any other way.
by Magnifico on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:14:22 PM EST
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That's a really easy insight to have. Most media interviewers strike me as having little or no understanding. Granted, they don't want to look as if they had any, or their career might be on the skids.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:32:17 PM EST
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She failed to be fair and balanced on the book burning. Dismissal in 5, 4, 3...

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:33:40 PM EST
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And here I always thought the motto was "Fairly Unbalanced!"

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:34:48 PM EST
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After all, this is a book burning organised by a self-denominated "Outreach Center" so the irony count should be off the charts.

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:32:05 PM EST
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They want to reach out and smite the infidel!

Let's have a round:

"Onward, Christian Soldiers,
"Marching off to War,
"With the Cross of Jesus
"Going on before....

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:38:46 PM EST
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if they're so keen, why haven't they volunteered and gone to Afghanistan?

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:26:06 PM EST
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Yeah, loud-mouth cowards do that a lot.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:49:29 PM EST
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Koran burning plan will endanger US troops

A tragi-comic clash of memes.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:08:04 PM EST
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pure vonnegut, innit!

Hopeful pessimist, hopeless optimist, it's a fine line
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:39:19 PM EST
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Iraq: End of Combat Mission does not mean end of combat.
Even as Obama speaks of the end of the combat mission, combat willl continue to occur but ostensibly as helpers for the Iraqi security forces. However the U.S. continues to train these forces.

U.S. forces are still engaged in hunting down and killing al-Qaida militants - and could still have to defend themselves against attacks.
...
Hours before the raids, Lt. Col. Andy Ulrich gave his soldiers a pep talk to counter concerns they weren't on a worthwhile mission.

"You all are combat troops not doing a combat mission, although it looks smells and feels and hurts a lot like combat," Ulrich said.



"Ce qui vient au monde pour ne rien troubler ne mérite ni égards ni patience." René Char
by Melanchthon on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:13:10 PM EST
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Melanchthon:
"You all are combat troops not doing a combat mission, although it looks smells and feels and hurts a lot like combat," Ulrich said.

got it? now line up at the pharmacy tent for your cognitive dissonance meds...

and there's always the army chaplain if they don't work.

Hopeful pessimist, hopeless optimist, it's a fine line

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:42:50 PM EST
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European Parliament members question legality of Roma returns - Bulgaria abroad - The Sofia Echo
The questions were raised at a meeting of the committee on September 2. A plenary session of the European Parliament scheduled for September 7 is to debate the overall position of Roma people in Europe.

When will the Commission be able to say yes or no, these actions are in conformity with European law?," asked Simon Busuttil (EPP, MT), according to a media statement by the European Parliament.

...

European Commission officials are currently examining evidence supplied by the French government to assess whether the returns comply with free movement law and with the European Charter of Fundamental Rights, which enshrines the principle of non-discrimination, which became binding when the Lisbon Treaty entered into force, Le Bail said, according to the statement.


By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:47:02 AM EST
Sorting out all my markets for Paris.

Plus a few other things. I think I should have caught an earlier train.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:49:46 AM EST
Georgia Man Wants Tea Partiers To Join His 'Patriotic' Pyramid Scheme | TPMMuckraker

Is there anything more patriotic than a get-rich-quick scheme? The folks over at TeaPartyBizOpp, a pyramid scheme targeted at the tea party set, don't seem to think so.

Billed as the "first ever patriotic home based business opportunity" and the place "where you get paid to help defend our freedom and stop Liberal Tyranny!!", TeaPartyBizOpp offers like minded liberty-lovers the chance to "make up to $50,000 or more a year helping raise funds to defend our freedom."

The pitch begins like this: You pay a minimum of $12 a year and get a "Platinum" membership (for $24 a year you can get the "Platinum Silver" plan, and "Platinum Gold" would cost you $50). And then, according to the site, "50% of your annual membership fee goes to finance conservative causes, and a large portion of the rest of that membership fee goes into our dynamic compensation plan, that pays each Independent Rep for their efforts to enrol [sic] other members...."



Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:54:09 AM EST
[meaningful] Does the pyramid have an eye at the top? [/meaningful]
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:29:28 PM EST
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I suspect it's more like an I.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:39:21 PM EST
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You really shouldn't insult Freemasons by comparing them to Teabaggers.

P2 and the like aside, most Anglo-American lodges are dedicate to the betterment of mankind.

I sure appreciated the scholarship money that they gave me for college.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 01:13:19 PM EST
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Betterment of mankind definitely. Just like business done on a golf course, business done in the lodge eliminates all possibility of female competition. It's a low form of quiet corruption that works against everybody eventually, especially when it infects local government. It's just a subtle form of wealth capture and keeping the good stuff for the made-guys.

Also their penetration into the judiciary and police services has led to serious miscarriages of justice.

Maybe it's different in the US, but we'd be better off without 'em here

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:09:23 PM EST
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But not Teabaggers and not Mafia. But at the top of the list of their charities are widows and orphans, and that often extends to mentoring of orphans. I benefited greatly from the attention of a Mason who was the DeMolay dad of our local chapter, even though I moved beyond the Goldwater conservatism he found congenial once I got to college. A good man.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:47:08 PM EST
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I don't deny that many individual masons are good people. Any more than I deny that their charities are very generous. It's just that the fortunes that spawn such generosity may well include a certain amount of insider-preference business creation that is the low order corruption I intend. And such low order corruptions can be careless of greater damages to wider society

I believe JaP wrote about the privatisation of welfare under the guise of charity. It is all very well caring for widows and orphans and even fluffy kittens, but such sentiments are very poor antennae for finding the greatest needs in society.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:10:10 PM EST
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Nor do I, or, I suspect, MfM challenge that assertion. Stereotypes are often true to a considerable extent, but their unfairness is in where and when they are not.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:51:17 PM EST
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You do realize that by asserting a conspiratorial role for freemasonry you've placed yourself in the esteemed company of Adolph Hitler, the Franco regime in Spain, and numerous other dictatorships of various stripes, right?

Remember that when they came for the Jews and the Communists that the Freemasons were on that list too.

Sigh.....

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:48:48 PM EST
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A suggestion that a taking advantage of the opportunities for low-order corruption in masonic lodges is endemic isn't quite the same thing as distributing the Protocols of the Elders of Sion, or even the Priory of Sion.

Simply saying that people do a lot of business in lodges that freezes out non-masons, particularly women, ain't quite at the level of saying there is a worldwide conspiracy to channel babies for shape-shifting Lizard people's feasts.

A car backfiring is not an enabler for nuclear conflict

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:28:31 PM EST
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Yes.

Claiming that Jews steal Gentile babies to drain them of their blood is nothing like claiming that the Elders of Zion manipulate world politics.

Sigh......

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:49:54 PM EST
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Helen:
Also their penetration into the judiciary and police services has led to serious miscarriages of justice.

I know you don't like backing up what you say with references, but that one really calls for some.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:07:39 PM EST
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there must have a been something of a case to answer because of a rash of masonic related outrages that spilled over the investigatory pages of Private eye and even onto television especially during the late 70s and early 80s, not least  the John Poulson affair (yes I know it was a 60s thing, but a lot of the fallout happened 10 years later), after which a Parliamentary Inquiry in Britain resulted in Freemasonry becoming a declarable interest in public employment, especially in the Judicial System and Police.

Sadly, a lot of this is pre-internet and not searchable

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:21:04 PM EST
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Just that sort of affair in upstate New York in the mid-19th century led to the dissolution of the lodges that had existed since colonial times in the USA. The present lodges date from the end of the 19th century and were a new foundation.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:54:14 PM EST
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'sides, I don't think that was his inference.

Teabaggers are paranoid people. idiot paranoia about masonic conspiracies penetrating the American government and sending out signals via the currency are pretty much par for the course for people who can write "Get a Brian, Morans" on a placard and hold it up as unintended political commentary.

He was mocking the mindset, not masons. It was me that did that.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:34:52 PM EST
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Helen:
'sides, I don't think that was his inference.

Indeed. I personally did not consider it a mason reference because - in the context of my post - I thought he just meant:



Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:55:46 PM EST
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I understand that this is what he was making reference to, and I think that it was innocent. (Although Helen's responses have me about as tweaked as listening to racists explaining how they don't hate all people of color just the "bad" ones.)

What I'm not sure is clear to the Europeans here is how this has been the object of conspiracy theory in the US.

Some conspiracy theories state that the Great Seal shows a sinister influence by Freemasonry in the founding of the United States. Such theories usually claim that the Eye of Providence (found, in the Seal, above the pyramid) is a common Masonic emblem, and that the Great Seal was created by Freemasons.[40]. These claims, however, misstate the facts.

While the Eye of Providence is currently a common Masonic motif, this was not the case during the 1770s and 1780s (the decades when the Great Seal was being designed and approved). According to David Barrett, a Masonic researcher, the Eye seems to have been used only sporadically by the Masons in those decades, and was not adopted as a common Masonic symbol until 1797, several years after the Great Seal of the United States had already been designed.[41] The Eye of Providence was, on the other hand, a fairly common Christian motif throughout the Middle Ages and Renaissance, and was commonly used as such in Europe as well as America throughout the 18th century.[19][42]

Furthermore, contrary to the claims of these conspiracy theories, the Great Seal was not created by Freemasons.[43] While Benjamin Franklin was a Mason, he was the only member of any of the various Great Seal committees definitively known to be so, and his ideas were not adopted.[44] Of the four men whose ideas were adopted, neither Charles Thomson, Pierre Du Simitière nor William Barton were Masons and, while Francis Hopkinson has been alleged to have had Masonic connections, there is no firm evidence to support the claim.[45][46]

The implication is that there is some sort of Masonic (typically cast as anti-Christian because of freemasonry's acceptance of Jews and Muslims) plot that controls the US government.

Anti-masonry and anti-semitism are blood brothers.  Primarily because the perpetuation of conspiracy theories has resulted in the loss of blood in many countries.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:11:30 PM EST
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I spend time on some CT sites for entertainment - they're way more fun than anything on TV - so I think I've probably seen almost every variation of anti-pro Masonic/Illuminati/Christian/Jewish/Banker/Muslim/Satanist/Hippy/Alien/Lizard/CIA/tea-and-a-slice-of -fruitcake cabal theory that's doing the rounds.

Some of the Founding Fathers do indeed seem to have been Masons, and Washington has some interesting architecture.

But given that the Teabaggers have some very obvious funding and support, invocation of the Masons isn't necessary.

In this case I'm more amused by how transparently predatory the biz-op people are - but that's not new for biz-op culture. (Diary soon...)

The UK has different associations. The typical mainstream assumption here is that if you know the secret Masonic handshakes (etc) you're likely to be treated rather leniently by the police and judiciary, should you happen to find yourself on the wrong side of them.

A few fringe CTers have built this up into a general theory of Masonic corruption, complete with paedophile rings, soul-eating alien lizards, and a wink to the Protocols of Zion - but it all gets a bit odd at that point, and I don't usually find myself nodding along in agreement.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:31:08 PM EST
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I, for one, welcome our new soul-eating alien lizard overlords.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:50:08 PM EST
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They are nothing compared to what goes on in Malta.


If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:52:04 PM EST
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In that case a member of our organisation will contact you shortly.

You already know the signal.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:06:10 PM EST
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Although Helen's responses have me about as tweaked as listening to racists explaining how they don't hate all people of color just the "bad" ones.

Excuse me, what the heck are you implying ? To deny that low order corruption hasn't been a feature of masonic lodges in the UK is to fly in the face of a series of investigations that led to membership of a lodge being a reportable association for certain occupations in the UK.

This is not to say ALL, or even many, masons are corrupt. It is just that in the UK (which I specifically mentioned), masonry and associated secrecy has been too easily and frequently used as a conduit for very particular forms of corruption to the extent that masonry, in the UK, has become quite tainted in the public mind. In saying so, I don't think I am invoking blood libels or the Protocols of the elders of Sion, or the Essenes or Sang Real or shape shifting lizards or anything.

so, equating what I'm saying to being some form of racist appeasement, is more than a little over the top .

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:53:42 PM EST
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This is not to say ALL, or even many, masons are corrupt. It is just that in the UK (which I specifically mentioned), masonry and associated secrecy has been too easily and frequently used as a conduit for very particular forms of corruption to the extent that masonry, in the UK, has become quite tainted in the public mind.

Most social organizations have been put to this purpose, particularly those with the long histories.

If the sins of the few taint the whole, then you've just bought the BNP reasoning for why Muslims should treated with suspicion.

Should we treat all non-heterosexuals as suspect  because of Geert Wilders and the rainbow banners that the BNP have started carrying at rallies?

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:05:44 PM EST
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Er - not really. Masonic corruption is a matter of public record. It's not the only form of corruption, but when you have a club that's the exclusive preserve of mostly older males who work in business, law-enforcement and law, supported by rituals which promote explicit mutual aid, then mutal aid is likely.

I'm finding your defensiveness irrational. In the UK Masons are mostly seen as a rather boring and mundane back-scratching old boys' club - possibly slightly sinister, perhaps a bit comical, but mostly quite ignorable.

Outside the fringe, no one here associates Masons with either pro- or anti-Semitic sentiments, pro- or anti-Muslim sentiments, or with racism.

Which is not to say that - e.g. - some of the Police and judiciary aren't racist and/or authoritarian. They clearly are.

But that's because some of them are vile and ignorant people, not because of what they get up to on Lodge nights - if they belong at all.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:20:35 PM EST
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I'm deeply saddened that you can't see the point that I'm trying to make.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:25:35 PM EST
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I understand you personally had a good experience.

But you're ignoring everyone else's experience besides your own. And not a little British political history too.

Implying that any less than vehemently positive opinion about the Masons is equivalent to near-Godwin-ish anti-Semitism doesn't seem particularly rational in this context.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:40:06 PM EST
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Danah Boyd: How Censoring Craigslist Helps Pimps, Child Traffickers and Other Abusive Scumbags
For the last 12 years, I've dedicated immense amounts of time, money and energy to end violence against women and children. As a victim of violence myself, I'm deeply committed to destroying any institution or individual leveraging the sex-power matrix that results in child trafficking, nonconsensual prostitution, domestic violence and other abuses. If I believed that censoring Craigslist would achieve these goals, I'd be the first in line to watch them fall. But from the bottom of my soul and the depths of my intellect, I believe that the current efforts to censor Craigslist's "adult services" achieves the absolute opposite. Rather than helping those who are abused, it fundamentally helps pimps, human traffickers and others who profit off of abusing others.


Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:57:18 AM EST
European Tribune - Tuesday Open Thread
Get weaving
Do you want us to get Agent Smith or Elrond?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:11:09 PM EST
Any bets on how soon after the Republican House is sworn in come January that Obama impeachment proceedings will begin?
by Magnifico on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:16:54 PM EST
What will he be impeached over?

Being a Muslim?

Forging his birth certificate?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:25:40 PM EST
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Yep.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:29:57 PM EST
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With Glenn Beck and his blackboard as special prosecutor?

By laying out pros and cons we risk inducing people to join the debate, and losing control of a process that only we fully understand. - Alan Greenspan
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:32:46 PM EST
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WSJ: The Perfect Salary for Happiness: $75,000

Now we have more details from the study, conducted by the Princeton economist Angus Deaton and famed psychologist Daniel Kahneman. It turns out there is a specific dollar number, or income plateau, after which more money has no measurable effect on day-to-day contentment.

The magic income: $75,000 a year. As people earn more money, their day-to-day happiness rises. Until you hit $75,000. After that, it is just more stuff, with no gain in happiness...

"Giving people more income beyond 75K is not going to do much for their daily mood ... but it is going to make them feel they have a better life," Mr. Deaton told the Associated Press.

He added that, "As an economist I tend to think money is good for you, and am pleased to find some evidence for that."

by Magnifico on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:21:24 PM EST
What? You don't want executives to feel they have a better life?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:36:21 PM EST
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Hmmmm......

As the basis of economics is the theory "moral" science put forward by Adam Smith and Jeremy Bentham: "The greatest good for the greatest number."  

Shouldn't this finding challenge the notion that the marginal utility of income has been suspended because the wealth need more money.

More to the point. If the moral objection to progressive taxation is that an extra dollar has the same utility, e.g. happiness, for the wealthy and poor alike, doesn't this finding challenge that.

Doesn't it suggest that taxation intended to redistribute income above $75,000 from the wealth to the poor would greatly increase the happiness of society, while leaving the wealthy with their cash in hand would make society as a whole less happy?

This looks suspiciously like a scientific basis for economic redistribution.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 01:19:31 PM EST
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Looks that way but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for anyone to develop it.  My experience is heavy duty Lefties are as strongly wedded to 19th Century thinking as Neo-Classical Economists.  

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:33:36 PM EST
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I agree.

Other things aside a common flaw in both Karl Marx and Milton Friedman is an attachment to utilitarianism.

Try arguing this point with Marxists.  They generally don't like having being forced to admit that worldviews that put the mindless pursuit of utility, regardless of how gains are distributed, at the center are problematic.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:53:16 PM EST
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NYT: Strikers in Paris and London Hamper Travel

And why would workers be striking in France?

France was gripped Tuesday by a major strike and protests against President Nicolas Sarkozy's plan to raise the retirement age to 62 from 60.

And in London?

Workers there oppose a plan by the Underground operator, Transport for London, to lay off 800 employees.

Seems to me the headline should read: Conservative Policies in France and London Hamper Travel.

by Magnifico on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:35:07 PM EST
anyone know if there are any transport strikes in Paris from thursday ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:41:41 PM EST
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Officially, no.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:09:50 PM EST
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Anyone going near the Pompidou centre bookshop at the weekend? I have a friend who was there last weekend who meant to go back and buy a book there, Its a  White book about art and the city, not so big but quite chunky. If anyones going near there she can provide information as to where abouts in the shop it is. Unfortunately she can't remember the title and author, which is what she wants so she can order it on Amazon

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:53:21 PM EST
Roger Cohen has another one of his little op-eds in the NYT dismissing Europe: Europe and Benign Neglect.

Europe, for the first time in hundreds of years, has become a strategic backwater. Europe is history.

Why? Europe is peaceful compared to the rest of the world.

The other foreign capitals speak for themselves as hubs of war, conflict or escalating nuclear tensions.

Cohen writes of Obama:

Since taking office, President Obama has reached out to the Muslim world as a whole, to China, to Turkey and to Iran, but has devoted scant serious diplomatic energy to Europe. In many ways, he is the first post-Atlanticist president, drawn by temperament, upbringing and circumstance to focus elsewhere.

"Europe is the object of benign U.S. neglect," said Camille Grand, a prominent Paris-based defense analyst. "Obama has not established or re-established a strategic relationship with any single European country or with Europe as a whole."

He adds, who can blame the Americans? Europe won't fight America's wars or waste more money on defense. NATO? What a joke.

I can understand the U.S. attitude: Europe is at peace and reluctant to spend on defense. Some 2,000 Dutch troops are quitting Afghanistan at a critical juncture. NATO, in search of a relevant doctrine, has become an aging experts' dilemma. France and Britain are smallish countries even if they account for 43 percent of E.U. defense spending. There are jihadis to fight and a broken American economy to fix.

But ignoring Europe is bad, because Europeans are cheap dates and used to being pushed around directed by the U.S.

With its huge debt, America needs affordable influence; Western allies are the way to find it.

If Obama and America continues to ignore Europe, Europeans may find someone else, or worse, their own way.

Coolness can be reciprocated, the benign turn malign.

Heh.

by Magnifico on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 01:21:37 PM EST
We can only hope that American neglect continues. It's a lot cheaper

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 01:58:40 PM EST
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I was going to say that it sounded like the same [Europe.Is.Doomed™ Alert] stuff as we've seen before, but he seems to worry that it's actually a bad thing.

Just like the French-bashing: why do they care if we're so irrelevant?

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:46:10 PM EST
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Well, Europe IS doomed. The reason Obama isn't spending time buddying up with European leaders--to convince them they should do things the American way--is that he doesn't NEED to. Europe is ALREADY run by a bunch of neoconservatives. We have a sort-of-ok President, but you have Sarkozy, Cameron, Merkel, Berlusconi... You could give us lessons...
by asdf on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 09:36:38 PM EST
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Fast-growing GM salmon 'safe to be farmed and eaten' - Telegraph
Genetically modified salmon which grow at twice the speed of their natural counterparts are safe to be farmed and eaten, US regulators have ruled.

The decision by scientists from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) paves the way for the first GM animal to be sold as food.

The fish, called AquAdvantage salmon, could be on American plates within two to three years, raising fears among environmental and food-safety campaigners.

What happens when one of those Salmons escapes and mates with wild ones?

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 01:36:56 PM EST
What happens when something eats it and incorporates the gene for giantism into itself and then reproduces ? Especially if that something ain't good for the river ecosystem.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:00:28 PM EST
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Virtually, if not totally, impossible. I don't think gene transfer works that way even in bacteria, which use plasmids. Viruses are a more likely candidate for gene transfer than direct consumption of flesh.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:51:31 PM EST
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There's Epigenetic inheritance as well.  I defer exposition to those who know what they are talking about.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:03:03 PM EST
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Yes, as through mitochondria, but were carnivores able to incorporate the genes of what they eat it seems to my untutored sensibility that this would have destabilized their genome.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:12:08 PM EST
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Ah, folks, you do realize that there is something called "digestion"? I had a tomato sandwich this morning and I haven't turned red yet.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:21:01 PM EST
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Yes and there is also such a thing as Resistance Transfer Affect where the gut bacteria have developed resistance to antibiotics and "bad" bacteria have stolen it.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:26:25 PM EST
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So give me the bad news scenario, starting from: Twank goes on a daily Frankenfish diet. What exactly, biologically, biochemically happens? I'm lost.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:33:09 PM EST
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Beats my pair of Aces.  

Foodthing-gummies come in, stuff happens, other stuff happens because of the first stuff happening, loop, repeat, and then other other stuff happens and some stuff stops happening.

(You heard it here, first.  :-)

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:51:35 PM EST
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Well that was informative!  Anyone else?

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:57:22 PM EST
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You'll grow gills, which isn't necessarily a bad thing now is it?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:19:53 PM EST
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Could be useful after another 2-3oC rise in ambient temperature.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:32:01 PM EST
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They discover that you carry the patented gene, and you become the property of Aqua Bounty Technologies Inc.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:22:55 PM EST
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Is this something you folks would like me to look into? I've a feeling you're worrying about nothing but I lean biochemical and Truffles loves fish. I'm biased.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:39:59 PM EST
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If you can find more facts I think everybody would really appreciate it.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:49:19 PM EST
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OK, let me get to work on it.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:50:28 PM EST
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Not a population biologist, obviously, but wild salmon are optimized to survive in the wild (and still most die before they can mate), while these are just optimized to get fat, which is probably a tradeoff against some other survival characteristic.

I would imagine the likelihood is that they wouldn't survive in the wild. But we can't be sure.

Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine - Patti Smith

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:52:00 PM EST
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You can go to the company website at

http://www.aquabounty.com/products/products-295.aspx

but it's nothing more than an ad. I suspect that even a phone call to one of their scientists won't give me more than company bullshit.

Will they escape? Will they successfully breed? Look at it like drilling for oil ... expect the worst. These clowns are out to make money, PERIOD!

The downside of human consumption ... very little; that's why you have a stomach and small intestine, unless the fish are full of sterols and poison.

The information you need is locked up in the company research notebooks and only a Wikileak event will give you the truth, if the information IS there.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:09:18 PM EST
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Will they escape?

Yes.

Will they successfully breed?

Yes.

Look at it like drilling for oil ... expect the worst. These clowns are out to make money, PERIOD!

Science and Technology at the service of sociopaths.

How truly wonderful.  

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:18:27 PM EST
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Hey, I keep saying we're in deep shit. China runs the corporations. Corporations run our governments. The governments make the rules. They have plenty of armies, bombs, police, jails, etc. to enforce the rules. They have control of much of the media and they're dumbing down kids like it's Brave New World (sort of).

So YEAH, not good.

Excuse me while I continue to manufacture my endospore coating.

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:27:02 PM EST
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Will they successfully breed?

But the real question is: "Will their progeny out-compete wild salmon?" Doubtful. Hormones, pollution and increased anti-biotic resistant bacteria are the likely downsides. Already, if wild salmon get near salmon farm pens they are at risk for infections present in farmed salmon but not in wild and controlled by anti-biotics to which the wild salmon dont' have access. The wild salmon should have Medicare Part D.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:38:39 PM EST
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Don't know if this has been posted already.

For Immediate Release: GATES FOUNDATION INVESTS IN MONSANTO - Community Alliance for Global Justice

Seattle, WA - Farmers and civil society organizations around the world are outraged by the recent discovery of further connections between the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and agribusiness titan Monsanto. Last week, a financial website published the Gates Foundation's investment portfolio, including 500,000 shares of Monsanto stock with an estimated worth of $23.1 million purchased in the second quarter of 2010 (see the filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission). This marks a substantial increase from its previous holdings, valued at just over $360,000 (see the Foundation's 2008 990 Form).

"The Foundation's direct investment in Monsanto is problematic on two primary levels," said Dr. Phil Bereano, University of Washington Professor Emeritus and recognized expert on genetic engineering. "First, Monsanto has a history of blatant disregard for the interests and well-being of small farmers around the world, as well as an appalling environmental track record. The strong connections to Monsanto cast serious doubt on the Foundation's heavy funding of agricultural development in Africa and purported goal of alleviating poverty and hunger among small-scale farmers. Second, this investment represents an enormous conflict of interests."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 01:42:05 PM EST
Evil mates with evil by preference.

and begets .... ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:01:34 PM EST
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Yep, I posted something about this last week, with related diaries.
We still like our news early, as you know...  :-)

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:58:39 PM EST
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'Rebuilding Hitler's War Machine': US Investors Sue Germany Over Weimar-Era Bonds - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

A group of American investors have filed several lawsuits to pressure Germany to honor bonds issued by the Weimar Republic. Hitler banned repayment of the bonds and Berlin says a deadline for registering the bonds passed decades ago. Should Germany lose, it could cost the country billions.

Their age and provenance are clear enough: The bonds were issued by the Weimar Republic some 80 years ago to raise cash. Just how much they might be worth today is open for debate. But six investors in the US are taking Germany to court to find out -- and to force the country to pay up.

The certificates were issued by the Weimar Republic in the 1920s as a way to help pay debts and reparations demanded after World War I. They are still, in fact, being traded with investors hoping they can eventually be redeemed.

Now a handful of investors hope lawsuits filed in several federal courts in the US will force Germany to pay off the bonds. Their value could be hundreds of millions of dollars, with some estimates going into the billions. A month ago, a Miami court ruled against Germany's request to dismiss the lawsuits; Germany had argued that US courts did not have jurisdiction.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:19:14 PM EST
I had a Colleague in London once, who said he had those war bonds and claimed he would make millions of them, he just needed a buyer, but then he could bankrupt Germany. We didn't quite take it seriously. He obviously did find some buyers...
by PeWi on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:25:28 PM EST
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If you want a good divorce settlement or to get back at someone you reckon has said something you don't like, you sue in the British courts.

If you want to rob another country blind in a business deal, go to america.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:25:55 PM EST
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Helen:
If you want to rob another country blind in a business deal, go to america.

Oh, I dunno, Russian courts have an interesting approach to corporate law.

Modern conservatives engage in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy: the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness.Galbraith

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:53:28 PM EST
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Yea, but they can't make their decisions carry weight abroad like the yanks can.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:56:15 PM EST
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Look on the bright side. The bonds may have been registered in a timely manner or the requirement may be ruled not to have been adequately advertised and a favorable outcome could be viewed as redressing Germany's large positive current account balance. :-)

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:05:16 PM EST
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Good for them.  Bonds purchased in good faith need to be settled in good faith.  Obligations entered into need to be met.

I fully support paying off all these bonds in the currency in which they were purchased: Rentenmarks.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.

by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 05:11:08 PM EST
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Excellent point. I wonder if anyone in the bundesbank has considered this.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 04:27:46 AM EST
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EUobserver / EU has survived economic crisis, Barroso says in first State of Union address

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso in a major speech on Tuesday morning said the EU has survived the economic crisis.

"Over the last year, the economic and financial crisis has put our Union before one of its greatest challenges ever ... As I look back at how we have reacted, I believe that we have withstood the test," Mr Barroso told MEPs in his first ever so-called State of the Union address. "Those who predicted the demise of the European Union were proved wrong."

His remarks come after a threat of sovereign default by eurozone countries such as Greece and Spain threatened to pull apart the single currency in a potentially deadly blow to the 50-year-old European project.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:21:11 PM EST
EUobserver / EU parliament abandons attendance fine idea for Barroso speech

EUOBSERVER / BRUSSELS - European parliament authorities have bid a hasty retreat from a tentative proposal to fine for non-attendance of today's State of the Union speech after the idea was met with derision and anger by MEPs.

A meeting yesterday (6 September) evening of parliament president Jerzy Buzek and the 14 vice presidents of the EU assembly abandoned an idea to check up on just who was listening to European Commission president Jose Manuel Barroso's speech and the ensuing debate.

Jose Manuel Barroso is giving his first ever State of the Union speech in the European Parliament in Strasbourg

"The parliament's bureau looked at the matter and we agreed that we need to beef up MEPs' presence during debate. But we felt we need a bit more time to mull over the various possibilities," Mr Buzek said Tuesday morning.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:21:40 PM EST
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France24 - Barroso says EU recovery is gathering momentum
REUTERS - Economic recovery is gathering pace in the European Union and growth this year will be higher than initially forecast, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said on Tuesday.   In a policy speech to the European Parliament in the French city of Strasbourg, the head of the EU executive said structural reforms must be accelerated in the next 12 months and the 27 countries in the bloc must show solidarity.   "Europe must show it is more than 27 different national solutions. We either swim together, or sink separately," he said.  

The EU's economic recovery is gaining steam and growth will be higher this year than originally projected, European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso said Tuesday in a US-style "State of the Union" address in the French city of Strasbourg.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:26:24 PM EST
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Today Barroso held the first ever 'state of Union' adress of the EU. Why isn't there more interest in it?
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:09:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EU companies badly hit by sanctions against Iran | Radio Netherlands Worldwide

European companies doing business with Iran are being hit by the toughening of sanctions against the government in Tehran. EU firms feel at a disadvantage compared for example to United States concerns, because the new European rules governing trade with Iran go further than those implemented by the United Nations.

Marloes Bosboom, of the Netherlands Centre for the Promotion of Trade (NCH), says Dutch firms will be badly hit. Companies attending a NCH meeting on the issue earlier this month were pessimistic.

Cross-section
The new sanctions will directly or indirectly affect all companies supplying goods or services to Iran. "These are a cross-section of Dutch businesses," says Michel Raas. His firm has been doing business with Iran for decades. He has been hit by sanctions before, but never was it as bad as it is now.

Mr Raas does not want his company named because of the delicacy of the situation. He is also unwilling to give figures detailing his firm's trade with Iran. However, he does say that 30 percent of its business is dependent on the Middle East market, which includes Iran.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:22:41 PM EST
then stop bitching and set up shadow companies in countries that do trade with Iran, like china.

Just as every other company is doing, dummies.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:27:43 PM EST
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Will EU watchdogs have any bite? - De Standaard/Presseurop - English
On 7 September Europe's 27 member states approved plans for the launch of European authorities to supervise banks, insurers and financial markets. However, De Standaard argues that the new watchdogs have not been provided with the resources they will need if they are to be truly effective.

"To prevent a future repeat of the Fortis debacle." With this idea in mind, on 7 September the finance ministers of Europe's 27 member states approved a "historic agreement" for reinforced financial supervison in the EU, which will establish three new European supervisory authorities. But will the new watchdogs have any bite?

"Certainly, they will," insists Karel Lannoo, chief executive of the Centre for European Policy Studies (CEPS), which is a critical observer of financial policy in the EU. "It is in many ways a historic agreement that will amount to a major step forward." But what exactly will it change? Here is a rundown on the pros and cons.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:24:55 PM EST
France24 - French president is butt of new joke on Google

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is the latest political to be "Google Bombed". Just type in the French word for a*hole, "trou du cul," to see the president's Facebook page come up as the number one search result.

For several days now, beginning over the weekend, the French words "trou du cul" (a*hole) have been atop the list of Google's most popular search terms in France. The surge of interest in such salty language is courtesy of none other than the French president himself. There it is, right at the top of the results in the number one spot, Nicolas Sarkozy's very own Facebook page.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:28:00 PM EST
Crazy Horse was killed 133 years ago. Mitakuye Oyarsin.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:30:23 PM EST
Well, you still seem pretty vigourous for having been dead for such a long time. :-)
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:33:15 PM EST
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Heh, Danke. He was my idol since childhood... but it's time for a new handle.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:38:02 PM EST
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Forgot the most important part. Crazy Horse coined a new concept, Itanka, which sort of means "my people first," and it's considered an active verb within the noun.

Skennah Kowa
by Crazy Horse on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:40:42 PM EST
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That's interesting on all kinds of levels.

If you never fail, you're not trying hard enough.
by ATinNM on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:44:06 PM EST
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Putin, Citing Roosevelt, Hints at a 3rd-Term Bid - NYTimes.com
MOSCOW -- For months, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin  has done nothing to dampen speculation that he is seriously considering a bid to return to the presidency in the 2012 election. On Monday night, he offered another hint at his plans by referring to the political career of a former president of a different country: Franklin D. Roosevelt.

Mr. Putin, asked whether he would damage Russia's political system if he chose to run again, noted that Roosevelt was elected four times in the United States because at the time, it was allowed under the Constitution.

Mr. Putin seemed to be suggesting that if he ran again, it would be as proper because he would be complying with Russia's Constitution.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:30:24 PM EST
BBC News - Tony Blair cancels book signing amid protest fears

Tony Blair has cancelled a planned book signing in London on Wednesday to prevent causing the public and the police "a lot of hassle".

Mr Blair said: "I don't want the public to be inconvenienced by the inevitable hassle caused by protesters."

Eggs and shoes were thrown at the former UK prime minister at a similar event in Dublin at the weekend.

Mr Blair earlier told ITV it was "not as if we need" to do signings to sell copies of his memoirs.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:40:25 PM EST
  1. X-File marathon on the ScyFy channel today.

  2. 3 hours into the first day of the new semester at Sac State ... just got my first tutoring call. Was concerned that the crappy economy would chew into my business. Now I think everything will be fine.


I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 02:45:36 PM EST
Could somebody please explain to me how the search engine works here at ET?  There seems to be a cut off point and I have been trying to access some of my comments made prior to that cut off point!

"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:48:35 PM EST
Check the Search Archive box to go back beyond four weeks.

Otherwise, give a thought to using the Search Google option (below Search in the Menu). If you can recall specific words from what you're looking for, it can be the fastest way to search. Especially as you can specify time parameters in the left column.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 03:55:23 PM EST
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Definitely, I almost never use the built in search.  

never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 04:24:11 PM EST
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Dangerous Minds | Blade Runner revisited

Blade Runner revisited by François Vautier. From the artist's statement:

An experimental film in tribute to Ridley Scott's legendary film "Blade Runner" (1982)
This film was made as a unique picture with a resolution of 60.000 x 60.000 pixels (3.6 gigapixels)
It was made with 167,819 frames from `Blade Runner'.



never let desperation get in the way of judgement.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Sep 7th, 2010 at 08:13:44 PM EST
The Tuesday morning Democracy Now! show finally surfaced at their website with the interview with Robert Sheer of truthdig, along with an interview with Elizabeth Warren. No wonder Warren scares the crap out of the bad guys including the WH.

http://www.democracynow.org/

I love the smell of roast chicken in the morning!

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Sep 8th, 2010 at 06:20:09 AM EST


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