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Tuesday Open Thread

by Colman Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:48:41 AM EST

Also includes discussion of mini-meetup in London this weekend and thoughts on next year's meetup.


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Sam and kids and I are in London this weekend and we're organising a mini-meetup on Sunday. Helen is brainstorming details ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:51:18 AM EST
Well, you can guess that I major on the booze aspect and food gets left out of the equation.

Colman is staying near Covent Garden, which is very central, so I've really focused on that area

Firstly, a pub is a good place to meet anyway. There are about 2 or 3 which seem good.

The Harp in Chandos Place (WC2N 4HS) which is currently CAMRAs best pub in the UK. Fine beer but no food. Also it's very small so will get overcrowded very quickly. If we pick it I strongly recommend we rendezvous upstairs. I might be able to reserve a table.

Another choice would be the Cross Keys in endell St (WC2H 9BA) which is just off the beaten track enough to ensure it should be reasonably comfortable. Food is available but I don't know if it's any good.

Finally, just as a rendezvous I'd recommend the Montagu Pyke in Charing Cross Rd, WC2H 0BP. It's a Wetherspoons pub, and not a particularly good one, but there will be food. It does get noisy cos it's an acoustically bright room but it's large enough so that we are bound to get seats.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:22:51 PM EST
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Sunday, assuming I'm not in some DWP hell, after this Thursdays meeting, then I'll be there.

What time are we planning on?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 03:19:24 PM EST
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That's still up in the air. What works for you?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 05:55:42 PM EST
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well I'll know for definite on Thursday afternoon, but should be anytime from 11 onwards

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 08:22:09 PM EST
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As for food, I'm no longer in town often enough to know good places.

but if somebody suggests a cuisine, I'm sure it's available. London's Chinatown isn't far away if that tempts.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:32:24 PM EST
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What time of year is best? It ended up very late this year, more-or-less by accident, and that didn't seem like the best time.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:52:11 AM EST
I've been thinking about Bremen, and October is often sweet. There's the possibility of coinciding with the 777th Ischa Freimakt (free market), the oldest in the world. (Downside is we will have millions of visitors.)

This is a very tentative thought.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 11:11:37 AM EST
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We would likely schedule a bus trip to Bremerhaven and perhaps Cuxhaven to wander around some offshore steel stuff. If there was interest.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 11:14:15 AM EST
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I think Paris may be a fixed venue for the annual meet-up.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 11:27:58 AM EST
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What about the possibility of two ET meet-ups per year? The annual meeting in the spring, and then another in the fall? If someone wasn't able to make it to one meeting, perhaps they could make it to the other.

It would be really nice to travel around and see some different places. (Of course I'd love for one of those places to someday be Helsinki! ... I hear Sven is a superb host, and I do so enjoy the planning part of it.)

So what would be needed? Accommodations, a good watering hole, a place to dine, and a few activities. What have I missed?

It would also be good if the date could be announced well in advance so that those of us who need to plan ahead or save our pennies in order to make the trip would have plenty of time to do so.

by sgr2 on Thu Dec 8th, 2011 at 10:47:08 AM EST
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Oh, I know what I forgot . . . the goody bags. ;-)
by sgr2 on Thu Dec 8th, 2011 at 10:50:42 AM EST
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This is an attempt to get the date for next years meet-up announced before Christmas ...
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Dec 8th, 2011 at 11:07:30 AM EST
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OK, practically, weekends in:

April 2012

  • 7-8 is Easter (Monday = Bank holiday)
  • 14-15 looks quiet
  • 21-22 first round, presidential election
  • 28-29 probably quiet but the Tuesday is 1st May (BH)

May 2012

  • 5-6 second round of elections, the Tuesday is 1945 Armistice BH
  • 12-13 looks quiet
  • 19-20 part of Ascension Thursday (BH) long weekend
  • 26-27 Whit, the Monday is BH

The fact of being part of a long weekend (ie tied on to a Bank holiday) could mean more French visitors to Paris, though the last two weekends there are probably the biggest. Elections are not really an obstacle.

I don't think we should count on these dates being out of the tourist season, this now seems much longer than it used to be, as looking for hotel rooms in October showed us.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Dec 8th, 2011 at 11:49:25 AM EST
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Lots of visitors is not a problem, lack of cheap hotel space is.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 11:42:42 AM EST
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That would be nice, visiting Bremen!
by sgr2 on Thu Dec 8th, 2011 at 09:34:41 AM EST
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When we first started doing this we organised it in May, which I always thought was nice, just before the tourist season really kicked off. It only changed to 2nd weekend of September cos that was the only time we could guarantee Dear Leader being around.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:34:55 PM EST
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Actually, I think it changed to September more by negligence than anything else.

May did seem better for people.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 12:39:27 PM EST
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April in Paris can be mighty lovely, too, if it fits JG's schedule better than May.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 01:52:35 PM EST
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That would be nice, visiting Paris!
by sgr2 on Thu Dec 8th, 2011 at 09:35:44 AM EST
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It was in May the first time (2006), then in June (2007). Then September (2008, 2009, 2010). Why the changes I don't remember.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 01:56:29 PM EST
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I think it was Fran who pushed it into September that one year because she could not make it in the spring. I don't have any specific problems for any of these dates, so on't mind me for the selection, as it's easier for me to organize the logistics :)

Wind power
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 05:43:44 PM EST
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Todays Irish budget was depressingly stupid, as are the opposition responses to it.

<sigh>

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 02:00:44 PM EST
Sven, sqr2, & et. al. have let us down by not posting a link to the webcast of the Finnish President's Independence Day Reception.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 02:57:47 PM EST
They're probably all far too drunk, and busy commentating on the dress sense of the participents

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 03:13:32 PM EST
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Don't want to disappoint on the fashion commentary, so please see below.

It snowed today so way too busy to get drunk. Pushed around snow and constructed some Itsenäisysspäivä (Independence Day) wire candle holders for the yard instead, then took a walk around the neighborhood to see all the lights. Everybody here in the village has put out decorations this year, so it looks quite festive. I'm so lucky to live in such a nice place!

by sgr2 on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 09:04:54 AM EST
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Sven is likely broken-hearted that Katzenjammer cancelled their final tour stop in Helsinki; Anne-Marit down with the flu.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 03:22:47 PM EST
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I would indeed liked to have seen them, but I have a crucial presentation a.m. and getting a taxi in Helsinki tonight would have been more difficult than the equation-laden Penrose tome I'm reading.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 04:42:52 PM EST
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Pictures here

Matti Antero Kristian Fagerholm AKA Mike Monroe, Glam Rock musician, seems to think that "Tarja* throws a good party". (*The President). Two male gay couples (at least) were there - causing a number of True Finn MPs to turn down their invitations because "We'd have to watch queers dancing together". Timo Soini, leader of the Ugly Party, revealed that he wanted to meet TV celebrities. He'll be therefore glad to meet Jani Toivola who is not only a prominent TV personality, but also gay, an MP and black.  Just before 22.00, an ambulance was summoned to the ball, but rumours of Mr Soini choking on his brandy have since been denied. In an interview before the alleged medical emergency, Mr Soini announced that were he to become President, more conservatives would be invited. His wife wore a ballgown that may have been the tragic outcome of an explosion in a Finnish flag factory.

Patriotic blue and white were, however, 'out' this year. Black was apparently 'in', ballgownwise - significance unknown. A 'professional stylist' thought that the Greek Goddess look was trending this year. This is clearly Eurozone triumphalism.

I am told by colleagues who have been invited from in years that you have to beware of the punchbowl and, with the TV lights and overdressed dancing, that the heat and humidity is intolerable.  

BTW Oberst Elop ("Ve hav vays of connecting ze peoples") was not invited because he is neither Finnish nor a diplomat. But enough of this tomfoolery. Soon the pumpkins will arrive to whisk the conservatives off to 'jatkot' or after-parties, where the 'conservatives' will get trashed and there will almost certainly be entertaining stories generated, or manufactured, concerning the nocturnal misbehaviour of the great and the good.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 04:35:46 PM EST
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See, what did I say :)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 05:05:20 PM EST
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The only thing I can add to Sven's excellent play-by-play of the castle party festivities is to say that overall from a fashion standpoint (imo anyway), this year's designs were somewhat lackluster. The exception being Jenni Vartiainen who absolutely stoled the show in a stunning orange gown designed by the extremely talented Finnish designer Katri Niskanen.

I've decided that the problem with old people (90% of the castle partygoers are old people) is that it's hard to dress them up in anything that's not boring. Of course there are exceptions. Some have style that travels with them a lifetime.

by sgr2 on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 08:54:47 AM EST
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Trust you're all looking SW in the brilliant night sky, where Jupiter is dancing with the moon. It'll be grey again soon, so enjoy the show.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 05:10:05 PM EST
There was a small event of the IGR (Paris' main cancer center) to celebrate this year's donation from Etoile de Martin to support research teams at the center - 240,000 euros, bringing the total over 6 years to more than 700,000 euros. Etoile de Martin is actually he biggest private donor to the hospital.

Several research papers have come out of this, with direct hopes of new treatments for certain types of tumors.

I also discovered that the boss of the hospital is a Dutch guy.

Wind power

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 05:47:09 PM EST
that is exceptional!
by stevesim on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 02:57:07 AM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Dec 6th, 2011 at 09:54:15 PM EST
What station was that ?

Whilst I don't disagree with the broad thrust of what he's saying, even if he's choosing the worst case scenario as the likely outcome, his choice of loaded & emotive terms does undermine his argument somewhat.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 02:47:43 AM EST
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This station?. The URL ends with .ir; you should be able to figure out where that is. They seem to be quite concerned about nuclear proliferation.
The former Saudi intelligence agency chief has announced that Riyadh may obtain nuclear weapons in line with plans to join "a nuclear arms race."

Prince Turki al-Faisal, who was addressing a security forum in Riyadh on Monday, said, "It is our duty toward our nation and people to consider all possible options, including the possession of these weapons," AFP reported.

"Our efforts and those of the world have failed to convince Israel to abandon its weapons of mass destruction," Faisal added.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 03:07:46 AM EST
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Yes it's an Iranian station that has just been fined

UK media watchdog fines Iran's Press TV - JPost - International

Press TV, which broadcasts in English and has an office in London, was punished for failing to say that an interview with Iranian-Canadian journalist Maziar Bahari in June 2009 was filmed while he was in jail on suspicion of spying.

"It was in this vulnerable, sensitive and intimidating situation that a Press TV journalist in Tehran interviewed and filmed him in circumstances in which it should have been clear to Press TV that he was giving an interview under duress," the Ofcom watchdog said in its ruling.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 07:21:02 AM EST
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Not to suggest that there aren't a lot of problems here (there obviously are), but a few points:

(1) I think Rodney Shakespeare is a little confused about what is and is not insured by the FDIC.

(2) Bad though it clearly is when you look at long-term unemployment and U6, I'm not sure what assumptions you have to use to get to 22% unemployment.  I'd be interested in hearing them.

(3) Sacramento is the capitol of California, not Los Angeles.  The fascist response has been in Oakland though.  And they criticize us for not knowing geography?

(4) I suppose if Europe completely collapsed and the whole world plummeted into riots you might get the army on the streets, since in that case all bets are off.  I don't find it highly likely.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 06:46:25 AM EST
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Talking about provisions in the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act:

Someone the government says is "a member of, or part of, al-Qaida or an associated force" can be held in military custody "without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force." Those hostilities are currently scheduled to end the Wednesday after never. The move would shut down criminal trials for terror suspects.

But far more dramatically, the detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn't limited to foreigners. It's confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas' Robert Chesney -- a nonpartisan authority on military detention -- "U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority."

I suppose.

Both OWS and TeaBaggers are protesting the Bill so one thing the 1% has done is create a climate where the two halves of a nascent Populist movement can come together.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Wed Dec 7th, 2011 at 12:11:02 PM EST
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