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Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:30:08 AM EST

On a grey, grey Wednesday. (In Dublin at least)


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by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:30:25 AM EST
It's sunny in Colorado today. Yesterday we had cloud cover for the first time in a few weeks and I thought I was going to suffer a permanent case of depression. Could never move back now to any place where it rains...

by asdf on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 12:00:03 PM EST
Then please avoid Aotearoa (indigenous name for New Zealand) : literally, "The long white cloud". Which is what it looked like from the sea when the Polynesians arrived. And still looks like from the air. And from the ground.

I love it nevertheless. Couldn't live there, but not for climatic reasons.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 12:06:22 PM EST
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so many French people want to move to Vancouver (Canada has a special treaty regarding immigration with France) but are completely amazed when I tell them that Vancouver is located in a rain forest and that they have over three thousand mm of rain per year.  that's a lot of rainy days.
by stevesim on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 12:18:25 PM EST
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maybe that's why BC has the greatest variety of wildflowers on the planet, over 10,000.

Hilo, Hawaii it rained almost every day, and the wet side of kauai has the world's wettest spot, the sleeping giant mountain.

this winter in italy has been the mildest ever so far, just right really, though i keep wondering if it's just the prelude to some epic weather to come...

sunshine, making my inverter hum with joy, spin that meter...

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 12:32:46 PM EST
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"some epic weather to come"

I think it IS the epic weather to come. Mild winters are great, as long as you don't want your plants to bud properly next spring, or you don't care about your insects freezing, or your snow to melt on the traditional schedule...

by asdf on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 01:29:04 PM EST
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point well taken... people here are worried about the water table.

it is winter weather, there is ice in the trough, and when the 'tramontana' n. wind blows, dry and gusty like this morning you feel the edge of siberia in it. hanging laundry this morning had my fingers feeling they were made of glass.

you're right it is extreme, and that's why it seems... off.

it's not at the level of trees budding or such though. my guess is that spring may be super sodden, which is an ok price to pay unless it goes in to May too incessantly, and planting becomes akin to mud wrestling in an irish bog.

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 01:40:17 PM EST
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Franz Josef glacier in NZ, which is in a rain forest, is definitely a head trip. Epic amounts of ice directly adjacent to lush temperate forest...

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 01:47:33 PM EST
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Been so warm here we've got trees starting to bud out.

This is crazy

by ATinNM on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 02:02:16 PM EST
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Same here.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 04:03:23 PM EST
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The Nation - William Greider - Why Are Republicans Attacking 'Vulture Capitalism'?

Just as candidate Newt condemns 'crony capitalism' and Perry denounces 'vultures,' historian Francis Fukuyama has abruptly rescinded the happy talk that made him famous twenty years ago. At the end of the cold war, Fukuyama's book The End of History and the Last Man declared that left-right ideological conflicts were over. Liberal democracy had won. It would henceforth prevail around the world.

Hold that prophecy. The professor has issued a sort of retraction (he might say 'correction'). His essay in the latest issue of Foreign Affairs, the journal of the Council on Foreign Relations, explained that 'some very troubling economic and social trends, if they continue, will both threaten the stability of contemporary liberal democracies and dethrone democratic ideology as it is now understood.' Yikes. What trends are those? Global capitalism, he said. Free-trade doctrine and new technology, along with the steady offloading of American jobs, are destroying the middle class - the necessary foundation for democracy in advanced economies.
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His alarming observations were picked up by other conservative commentators and treated respectfully, a sign that these anxieties are widely shared. Washington Post columnist David Ignatius, longstanding advocate of globalization, embraced Fukuyama's argument. New York Times columnist David Brooks wrote with sympathy for the struggling white working class. It votes Republican and gets hammered by corporate capitalists in return.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 01:14:48 PM EST
I think part of it is a mis-read of the Tea Party. They are populists, and don't want big government to regulate banks, they want the banks to be shut down. They don't want graduated income taxes to redistribute wealth, they want the vulture capitalists to be hung. They don't want to balance the budget by reducing DoD spending, they want isolationism. The whole dance now between the traditional conservatives and the red-meat radicals is amusing to watch.

The current of the "desperate attempts to find a not-crazy not-Romney" seems to be an effort to draft Jeb Bush or Mitch Daniels. Not that this would help overall, because while these two aren't completely crazy, they both are to the right of Romney.

by asdf on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 01:42:49 PM EST
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I think you're being too kind.  The Teabaggers are a bunch of frauds.

Where were the protests while TARP was being debated if they want the banks dead and vultures hung?  Where were they in the run-up to the war if what they want is isolationism?

Nowhere.  Because they don't care.  They are populists, in the sense that populism doesn't really mean anything on its own as long as you're sufficiently angry at something.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 06:08:57 PM EST
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I think asdf's comment goes to the mind of those voting for Tea Party candidates.

The candidates are just corporate shills of their Koch backers.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 06:56:46 AM EST
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Journalistic exaggeration - why let the facts get in the way of drama ? He didn't change "abruptly" this year; his views have been gradually changing, so by 2008 he was voting for Obama and talking about the need for major change in US politics in general:

ELEANOR HALL: That is a big shift for you, isn't it? To go from a registered Republican voter to an Obama supporter.

FRANCIS FUKUYAMA: Yeah, but I think a number of people are doing that this year because I think the world is different at this juncture and we need a different foreign policy and there is this larger question about in American politics, I do think that we are at the end of a long generational cycle that began with Reagan's election back in 1980 and I think unless you have a degree of competition and alternation in power, certain ideas and habits are going to get too entrenched.

ELEANOR HALL: Barack Obama talks a lot about sort of big change and what sort of revolution do you expect him to deliver in the United States if he does become President?

FRANCIS FUKUYAMA: Well, that is an interesting question because I think that one of our problems in the United States is that the existing polarisation has gotten very debilitating where you can not talk about certain issues like raising taxes or starting program in investing in infrastructure without this being cast in this old ideological debate and so I think that he probably got a better chance at trying to forge a different kind of rhetoric. Different ways of thinking about that."

http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2008/s2257118.htm




Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 03:46:20 PM EST
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That doesn't say anything about vulture capitalism.  It's just him saying the Republicans are a bunch of idiots who shit the bed while they were in office, that he's not big on Hillary, and that he's thus for Obama.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 06:04:18 PM EST
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The article says "Francis Fukuyama has abruptly rescinded the happy talk that made him famous twenty years ago".  As I pointed out he hasn't "abruptly" "rescinded" his views of 20 years ago, he's gradually changed them, already having made major changes by 2008.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 06:07:57 PM EST
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I guess Fukuyama realises the GOP is insane and Obama is the best moderate Republican in the race this year.

tens of millions of people stand to see their lives ruined because the bureaucrats at the ECB don't understand introductory economics -- Dean Baker
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 07:02:01 PM EST
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An incident broke my heart today.  I was in the supermarket and saw and heard three young boys aged around 10, discussing how to approach people to ask them for money.  I assumed it was for nefarious purposes.  So, when they came up to ask me for .10 Euro, I turned them down.

I then saw them again at the cash register where they were paying for a large bottle of generic cola with a handful of change they had collected.  Total cost?  .61 Euros.  Between the three of them, they didn't have .61 Euros to pay for a generic bottle of cola to share.  They were cute too - one white kid, one Arab and one black kid.  The money must be pretty tight in their families, don't you think?

I paid for them, so they get to have cola for 2 days instead of 1, and I left pretty ashamed of my assumptions about these kids.

by stevesim on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 01:31:58 PM EST

Don't feel bad, it was not an unreasonable assumption and we all make mistakes, e.g. you should have bought them some unsweetened fruit juice and not encouraged a cola-addiction :-)

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 03:32:01 PM EST
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Colman, asdf, Mig, and das monde for your takes on my inquiry yesterday into "closed surfaces". This is day three of the first week of the new term at Sac State and new students are already calling. Ain't this a great world.

Once again, thank you.

Now where's the fun in that! - Megatron

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 05:48:52 PM EST
WSJ: The GOP Deserves To Loose
... It doesn't matter that Mr. Obama can't get the economy out of second gear. It doesn't matter that he cynically betrayed his core promise as a candidate to be a unifying president. It doesn't matter that he keeps blaming Bush. It doesn't matter that he thinks ATMs are weapons of employment destruction. It doesn't matter that Tim Geithner remains secretary of Treasury. It doesn't matter that the result of his "reset" with Russia is Moscow selling fighter jets to Damascus [...]

Above all, it doesn't matter that Americans are generally eager to send Mr. Obama packing. All they need is to be reasonably sure that the alternative won't be another fiasco. But they can't be reasonably sure, so it's going to be four more years of the disappointment you already know.

As for the current GOP field, it's like confronting a terminal diagnosis. There may be an apparent range of treatments: conventional (Romney), experimental (Gingrich), homeopathic (Paul) or prayerful (Santorum). But none will avail you in the end. Just try to exit laughing.

That's my theory for why South Carolina gave Newt Gingrich his big primary win on Saturday: Voters instinctively prefer the idea of an entertaining Newt-Obama contest - the aspiring Caesar versus the failed Redeemer - over a dreary Mitt-Obama one [...]

Then there is Mitt Romney, even now the presumptive nominee. If Mr. Gingrich demonstrated his unfitness to be a serious Republican nominee with his destructive attacks on private equity (a prime legacy of the Reagan years), Mr. Romney has demonstrated his unfitness by--where to start?

by das monde on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 09:00:13 PM EST
So far, this US election season looks like a series of experiments "What Happens When A Hopeless Favourite Faces Dreadful Challengers?"

The bastard kind of "What Happens When An Irresistible Force Meets An Immovable Object?"

by das monde on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 09:04:44 PM EST
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I wonder if it will eventually dawn on the GOP party bigwigs that when you get to the point where every single candidate you put under the glare of a national campaign turns out to be some combination of liar, idiot, extremist philandering dogmatic bigot, and money-and-fame-grubbing-narcissist, and that none of them can articulate even a small subset of policies that aren't immediately ridiculed by everybody from Fox News to Mother Jones, perhaps the problem isn't the candidates but the fact that you have gathered together a set of platform planks that simply cannot make sense.

I doubt it.

by asdf on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 09:37:05 PM EST
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Are they betting that the US won't meaningfully exist by the "eventually" time?
by das monde on Wed Jan 25th, 2012 at 11:59:40 PM EST
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It's the inevitable result of nearly 2 decades of republicans in DC attempting to prove that govt doesn't work, while encouraging rush and Fox to anything that smacked of purpose and sense. While the ptpb may have quietly laughed at how effective idiocy could be, I don't think they realised that the most effective aspect of their work was convincing their own supporters that idiocy is the only way forward

this worked well when they still had people in DC who understood reality but were happy to go with corrupted flow. But now they're electing the bastard children of that idiocy who don't know any better.

They sowed the breeze and are reaping the whirlwind. Stupid is their name

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 02:50:04 AM EST
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You need 20 years of experience as a Republican politician. Anyone who has that is by definition an unprincipled shitbag and/or a fruitloop, with necessarily shady business dealings and/or unsavoury paymasters.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 04:36:39 AM EST
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Totally unexpected:

Gingrich up big ahead of GOP caucuses, poll shows

A Public Policy Polling survey released Wednesday shows Gingrich with a 36 percent to 18 percent lead over Romney. In third place is Rick Santorum at 17 percent and Ron Paul is in fourth at 13 percent.

Romney easily won Minnesota in '08 with 41.36% of the vote.  I would have predicted he'd do it again.  

by ATinNM on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 02:13:44 AM EST
Conservatives are already discussing Gingrich in Reagan years:

Gingrich and Reagan: In the 1980s, the candidate repeatedly insulted the president.

Newt In 1988: Bush Won't Win If He Runs To Continue Reaganism

And then

"Why do people take such an instant dislike to me?" asked a perplexed Gingrich, to whom Dole bluntly explained: "Because it saves them time." [...]

Unmentioned by Gingrich then, or in any of the 2,414 debates during this campaign, was his 1985 criticism of President Reagan's historic meeting with Mikhail Gorbachev as "the most dangerous summit for the West since Adolf Hitler met with (British Prime Minister) Chamberlain at Munich in 1938." [...]

This was after Gingrich, as reported in the Congressional Record, had found Reagan responsible for our national "decay": "Beyond the obvious indicators of decay, the fact is that President Reagan has lost control of the national agenda."

by das monde on Thu Jan 26th, 2012 at 07:19:02 AM EST
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