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by afew Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 11:41:12 AM EST

On a Monday


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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 11:41:51 AM EST
and I'm almost done.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 11:50:39 AM EST
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The economics of video games:

Inflation can be a headache for any central banker. But it takes a certain type of economist to know what to do when a belligerent spaceship fleet attacks an interstellar trading post, causing mineral prices to surge across the galaxy.

Eyjólfur Guðmundsson is just that economist. Working for the Icelandic company CCP Games, he oversees the virtual economy of the massively multiplayer video game Eve Online. Within this world, players build their own spaceships and traverse a galaxy of 7,500 star systems. They buy and sell raw materials, creating their own fluctuating markets. They speculate on commodities. They form trade coalitions and banks.



Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 12:34:11 PM EST
That'd be fun, except I'd be playing people like Mig and Colman and so getting creamed on the margins every flipping day

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 12:44:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Potential Winning Strategy:

  1.  Start a bank

  2.  Develop a reputation for honesty

  3.  After a suitable amount of RW wealth has been deposited

  4.  Steal it

:-)

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:34:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
NPC merchants do not accept letters of credit, and there is no deposit insurance or banking charter, so you would be vulnerable to a run. (Being solvent is not, in and of itself protection against a run.)

So you'd be more of a project bond broker than a deposit-taking institution.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:45:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bummer.

On the other hand I'm sure Helen would be as willing to steal the money of bond holders as direct depositors.  A slight change in Branding and ...

voila!

PROFIT

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:55:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Except that she'd never hold that much on her balance sheet at any one time.

The securitization scam is about selling bogus loans to people and then pocketing part of the money before sending it on to the borrower. That requires huge turnover or (inclusive or) an entrenched privileged status to allow you to pocket enough money to make it worthwhile before the balloon goes up.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:05:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You wrote the rules of this game, right?

Oh, it's not a game?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:10:33 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Fair Division Game:  Players have to decide how to distribute a cake.

Player Goal:  Maximize quantity of cake

The usual strategy is for one player to cut the cake and the other player get first choice.  The Goal Maximizing Strategy is for one player to grab the knife, stab the other player, and walk away with all the cake.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:18:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Man, I like the style of the Goal Maximisers

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:24:11 PM EST
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That was exactly the strategy used by Gingko Bank in Second Life.

Only it took it to the next level by paying depositors an obviously Ponzi-rific 10% on their deposits. (Until it crashed.)

The owner was never prosecuted.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:18:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Already been done.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:14:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It's JakeS you need to be worrying about.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:57:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yea, I was getting that impression

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:58:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Therefore, Jake should be in charge of the ET virtual word Bank of Inter-galactic Investment and Development Fund®, LLC.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:10:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The fuckin' people should be in charge, you mean.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:25:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
World Wide Incorporated, a wholly owned subsidiary of ET Entertainments Corp

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:37:34 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EVE is actually an interesting case, because they recently pegged their game-currency to an NVidea video card standard (which means essentially a dollar standard), at a hugely, ridiculously overvalued peg.

The deflationary collapse was immediate and total. It was also very, very brutal, because (at least while it was ongoing) the deflation shifted the relative return to mining and raiding in favor of raiding. Which in turn reduced the production of minerals, which reduced the surplus minerals available to sell to NPCs, which reduced the emission of virtual currency, further exacerbating the deflation.

It eventually got so bad that several major alliances stopped mining altogether and started explicitly (and at a loss) griefing new players and players who did mine, so as to bring the economy to a total standstill and impact the revenue stream of the company.

The parallels to real-world deflationary collapses, and the analogies between bankers in the real world and corsairs in the game, are of course not coincidental.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:06:31 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Write a meta-game for EVE with the same standard of graphics. But please avoid making me into a Freedom Fighter in three silly questions.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:24:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]
OK, there are no silly questions, only silly answers.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:29:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bloomberg - Ezra Klein - What Mitt Romney Doesn't Get About Responsibility

Our real advantage comes from the many things that we take as given. We live in houses where clean water gets piped in -- we do not need to remember to add Chlorin to the water supply every morning. The sewage goes away on its own -- we do not actually know how. We can (mostly) trust our doctors to do the best they can and can trust the public health system to figure out what we should and should not do. ... And perhaps most important, most of us do not have to worry where our next meal will come from. In other words, we rarely need to draw upon our limited endowment of self-control and decisiveness, while the poor are constantly being required to do so.
[....]
As economist Jed Friedman wrote in an online post for the World Bank, "The repeated trade-offs confronting the poor in daily decision making -- i.e. `should I purchase a bit more food or a bit more fertilizer?' -- occupy cognitive resources that would instead lay fallow for the wealthy when confronted with the same decision. The rich can afford both a bit more food and a bit more fertilizer, no decision is necessary."

The point here isn't that Romney is unfamiliar with cutting-edge work in cognitive psychology. It's that he misses even the intuitive message of this work, the part most of us know without reading any studies: It's really, really hard to be poor. That's because the poorer you are, the more personal responsibility you have to take. "



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 12:50:50 PM EST
...the poorer you are, the more personal responsibility you have to take.

And the less options you have to get out of poverty.  

Poor societies cannot afford to experiment.  Experiments are a "Bet Your Life" proposition.  Literally.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:39:03 PM EST
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Esquire - charlie Pierce - Rahm Emanuel Gets the Spanking He Deserves

Of all the several good reasons for wearing a bag over your head while voting for the incumbent, curious staffing decisions are one of the more overlooked. Handing the financial sector over to some Wall Street lapdogs. Listening to Bob Rubin on anything. Putting the deficit commission in the hands of lobby-slick Erskine Bowles and the Undead Alan Simpson. But as far as I'm concerned, chief among these reasons has to be the current president's putting the spectacularly overrated Rahm Emanuel in charge of the White House staff. Emanuel hasn't breathed a breath of air in public service when he wasn't a self-aggrandizing and nasty bit of work.

So it was with some glee that I noted on Thursday evening that a judge in Chicago handed Mayor Rahm his head on a stick as regards the "model" response of the mayor and his police force to the Occupy movement in that city. And he did so with a flourish....



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 12:55:48 PM EST
or as Atrios said

It should go without saying (but it doesn't) that hostility to nonviolent public protests is hostility to democracy, hostility to the nobler parts of our history, hostility to our constitution and the right of free association, and basic contempt for the idea that the proles should have any meaningful way to express their grievances.


keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 12:57:18 PM EST
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Guardian - John Harris - Interviews with Labour Conference (Video)

Note that Chuka Umunna, the so-called "future of the party", is carrying a copy of the Daily farking Mail around. Now, while I can imagine the more charitable suggesting this as a know-thine-enemy device, personally it looks far too well-thumbed to have been anything other than read for the pleasure of indulging like-minded souls.

He isn't the future of the party, he's a Podcast of Tony Blair from the mid noughties on permanent rewind and all I see in his future is a vision of him flouncing off to the Lib dems

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:10:48 PM EST
Guardian - Bidisha - JK Rowling peers behind the curtains at the nastiness of her peers

Dark, devious and devilish, JK Rowling's first post-Potter novel, The Casual Vacancy, reads like an episode of Postman Pat written by the makers of The League of Gentlemen. The fictional village of Pagford is a contemporary Cranford, sizzling with the malice of small minds. Yet critics have been just as foul-mouthed as Rowling's meanest characters. Some have described the way it swings from openly abusive relationships and grinding poverty to the easy suburban comedy of golf clubs and local scheming as cartoonish and unsubtle. The Daily Mail thought it was "a socialist manifesto, masquerading as literature", while the Sunday Times questioned why Rowling "seems so down on middle-class values".

Rowling's books, including Potter, certainly reflect the claustrophobia of identikit suburbia, whether it be (fictional) Little Whingeing, where Harry grew up, or (real) Chipping Sodbury, where she spent time herself. But what bites most keenly is the hypocrisy of those places, something she is uniquely placed to understand and convey: as she commented in her Front Row interview with Mark Lawson last week, she has had experience of living at almost every point on the social scale, from lower middle-class suburban boredom to "being as poor as you can be without being homeless" to extreme wealth. When poor, she was treated as invisible; with increasing wealth has come an outer perception of increasing respectability.
[....]
The novel has been accused by the Telegraph of being at its weakest when it is "angrily political" - meaning that Rowling dares to criticise the class divisions in society and examine the injustice, inequality, hypocrisy and prejudice which keep them in place. The criticism is the bleat of people who think of themselves as neutral, apolitical and commonsense but are fiercely political in defence of their own privilege. The same people who happily swallow the extreme snobbery of Downton Abbey or laugh at those they label "chavs" and "hoodies" get angry when the arrow hits closer to home.



keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:18:36 PM EST
Helen:
"angrily political" - meaning that Rowling dares to criticise the class divisions in society and examine the injustice, inequality, hypocrisy and prejudice which keep them in place.

Yeah, well right. That is the definition of "angrily political" in Britain, and really it goes a long way back.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:05:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Guardian - Len McCluskey's speech to Labour conference

Len McCluskey is the leader of the UK's lrgest union. It is rather difficult to trck down transcripts of his speech, so here is  short passage from the Guardian. What's distressing is the extent to which even these self evident ideas are dismissed by the leadership

A public spending squeeze while the City continues to let rip is simply not acceptable. Asking the poorest for further sacrifices for a crisis they did not cause is the road to political ruin and defeat at the next election.

It is time for Labour to once-and-for-all turn its back on the neo-liberalism of the past. Reject the siren voices, Ed.

He also said that asking workers to choose between "jobs or wages" was a false choice

* He said the last Labour government "put too much faith in an unregulated City and allowed inequality to worsen".



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 01:40:06 PM EST
from TIME: Spain's Anti-Austerity Movement Rocks Madrid


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:09:51 PM EST
How on earth did October happen already?

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:40:47 PM EST
As Tommy cooper used to say "Just like that"
Second left at August, straight on past september and on till morning

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:53:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:54:20 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Sneaky, October. 2013's gonna do that, too.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:54:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Well, I'm not having any of this. I'm going to speak to somebody in authority about it. They will have to do something.

If they don't, then I'll just be forced to take matters into my own hands.

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 02:59:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]
"Time keeps on slipping, slipping
into the future
"

Personally, I blame Einstein.  

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:12:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You don't have to give exact details, but what sort of measures are you considering if you fail to get satisfaction ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:23:08 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If all else fails, I will be revolting.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:44:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Indeed you are, you shall

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:47:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Will you also be revolting? It is for a good cause.

Ad astra per aspera
by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 03:51:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I have been revolting most of my life and see no reason to mature stop just yet

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 04:02:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You're both revolting. But at least you're no longer in denial about it, which is progress.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 02:01:20 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 Business Insider: Ben Bernanke Just Gave A Dazzling Speech About Monetary Policy -- Everybody Needs To Grasp The Key Points (October 1, 2012)
... whereas Yglesias praises Bernanke on a fairly narrow point -- the fact that Bernanke promised to keep rates low even after the economy improved -- what we liked about the speech was the sheer volume of myths and misconceptions that he debunked or clarified in a short period of time.

Myths about the Fed are legion (repeated ad nauseam by pundits and politicians) and it seems that Bernanke realizes that the more exotic Fed policy becomes, the more he must inevitably debunk memes in order to justify his actions. Lowering rates during normal times is fairly uncontroversial and easy to understand. Buying bonds on an unlimited basis while indicating that rates will be kept low for years requires some 'splaining. Today's mythbusting is an extension of something he did at his September 14 press conference, when before the Q&A he specifically addressed three key points.

...

Bernanke needs to do more of this: Debunking myths about savers, currency, fiscal policy enabling, monetizing the debt, creating inflation, and operating in secrecy. Bravo.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 05:55:55 PM EST
Ben Bernanke
At the Federal Reserve, we implement policy to promote maximum employment and price stability

Wow...

Ben Bernanke:

Using monetary policy to try to influence the political debate on the budget would be highly inappropriate.

Double wow...

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.

by Bernard on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 04:59:14 AM EST
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Yup, Business Insider has an article just about that bit: In One Paragraph, Ben Bernanke Reveals The Massive Difference Between The Fed And The ECB
At the Federal Reserve, we implement policy to promote maximum employment and price stability, as the law under which we operate requires. Using monetary policy to try to influence the political debate on the budget would be highly inappropriate. For what it's worth, I think the strategy would also likely be ineffective
The ECB is explicitly using monetary policy (the promise of bond purchase) to influence the political debate and fiscal policy (no bond purchases for countries that don't have outside oversight of their budgets).

...

The ECB is trying to backstop governments, but can only do so if the governments make commitments to "good behavior." The two central banks get lumped in with each other, but are not in the same boat right now.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 05:02:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 

 

by ElaineinNM on Mon Oct 1st, 2012 at 06:34:05 PM EST
Looks like some sort of exotic ship.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 01:20:08 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Musicke Flagshyppe. Love it.

(Someone should write some music for it, though).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 01:46:45 AM EST
[ Parent ]

Gig on the upper deck, Intergalactic Cruiser XK5

Animusic

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 01:58:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I recently saw Pat Metheny playing something similar -- by hand, without mechanical help. His version had more strings than that.

Though he also had some fascinating electromechanical devices, now that I think of it. I'll try to dig up some videos some time.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 04:07:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Pat Metheny: Orchestrion

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 09:01:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
ah yes, the Orkestrion. Must be heaps of fun tuning it.

I was actually thinking of his Pikasso guitar, here it is  (doesn't really look all that much like the Animusic thingie, but it's probably the nearest actually existing thing)



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 09:15:52 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Independent
Bad bankers warned: repent or go to jail
Do other criminals get this option in the UK?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 01:58:31 AM EST
I think they're trying to pretend that their behavior isn't yet criminal

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 02:46:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Devastating



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 03:33:47 AM EST
Translated from Hamodia, a Haredi newspaper
"In a head on collision last night, in which 2 "wild other things" ran into the road, 2 men in their 40′s were killed.

The accident took place in the area between Tapuach and Migdalim in the Shomron.  Magen David Adom's attempts failed to save the wounded, and doctors pronounced the men dead on the scene.  MDA reported that next to the car were 2 dead "wild other things" and it is assumed they caused the fatal accident.

That's right.

Hamodia would not write the word "boar," presumably because a boar is a pig, and pigs, chazzer, are the paradigm non-kosher animals.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 06:45:08 AM EST


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 06:51:11 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Is this the kind of newspaper that airbrushes "other-gendered humans" out of photographs?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 06:53:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
and, presumably, non-kosher residents of Palestine.

I believe there is a word in German for such people, but I'm not sure how it translates into Hebrew

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 07:22:49 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Yup, just like I thought: Haredi Jewish Newspaper Erased Hillary Clinton From History (05/09/11)
Hamodia, as a matter of editorial board policy, refuses to publish photographs of women since it considers the female body to be immodest. In that same article, Menachem Lubinsky, the marketing consultant for the newspaper, explained that this modesty policy is in the strictest interpretation of Jewish law. The newspaper's publisher -- a woman -- refused to speak with Berkman for modesty reasons.

Hamodia, which has been publishing papers since 1910, has never published a photo of Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meir or Queen Elizabeth or Madeleine Albright or Hillary Clinton.

Most likely, ultra-Orthodox Jewish newspapers like Hamodia could have continued to follow this policy of refusing to publish photos of women under the radar had one newspaper not made the recent decision to use Photoshop to alter an official photo released by the White House.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 08:58:14 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Jerusalem Post
Apple's smartphone market share in Israel has suffered another potential blow, following public censure by one of the most senior haredi rabbis in the country.

Rabbi Haim Kanievsky, who ranks in some estimations among the five most influential rabbinic authorities, issued a public notice on Sunday saying that anyone who owns the company's iPhone device should burn it.

In the pronouncement, published on the front page of Yated Ne'eman - the most influential haredi newspaper - as well as several other ultra-Orthodox dailies, Kanievsky said it was forbidden to own an iPhone, comparing the device to weapons of war in its potential to cause harm.

What happens if you burn an iPhone?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 08:13:43 AM EST
I thought this might indicate a doctrinal preference for Android (Golem?) But no :

Senior haredi rabbi to foll... JPost - Jewish World - Jewish News

On September 12, Rabbi Lior Glazer held a ritual iPhone-smashing ceremony in Bnei Brak in protest of the supposedly malignant influence of the device, and the hardline Eda Haredit communal organization has also banned their use along with Android smartphones, BlackBerrys and similar devices, because of the "spiritual holocaust" they have wrought


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 08:30:44 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Er - and what spiritual holocaust would that be, exactly?

There's nothing on hisz.rsoe.hu - but perhaps no one has phoned them yet.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Oct 2nd, 2012 at 08:48:10 AM EST
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