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by afew Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:24:22 AM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:25:17 AM EST
"Now minds that do dishes can feel soft on your face, with new, new Fairly Liquid."

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 01:22:23 PM EST
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There's a topical cream for that.

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sapere aude
by Number 6 on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 06:40:12 AM EST
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The theory:

Deuteronomy 7:5

But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire
The practice
On Monday evening, during the traditional singing and dancing with Torah scrolls at the Porat Yosef Yeshiva in Jerusalem, yeshiva head Rabbi Moshe Tzadka ordered one of the worshippers to break his phone.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 12:37:23 PM EST
Wow. Zealotry is really cool.

For really scary values of cool.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 12:52:59 PM EST
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Patrik Johansson: Spreading the word about good butter

Patrik Johansson used to be a professional fisherman, once managed a coffee plantation on Madagascar, and made salt from seawater. Now, finally, he has found his true calling. "I am a butter man," he says. Sometimes, the 45-year-old eats butter, with a spoon, right out of the churn (bread ruins the taste). Three times a week Johansson leaves his little wooden house in the forest north-east of Gothenburg and drives to a nearby castle. In one of its chambers, filled with pots and fridges and a small centrifuge, he makes what must be the most prestigious butter in the world. He is known as the Butter Viking.

Being a rarely beef-eating omnivore, I do appreciate good butter - for cooking and baking. For spreading I use Oivariini, which is a butter/vegetable oil mix. I like my bleary-eyed spreading easy, and my toast to pop up perfect: otherwise the day is ruined.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 01:40:40 PM EST
I was a butter baby, it was just part of the background noise, not something one actively liked. That was NZ butter, produced industrially, pasteurised and tasteless.

In France, I discovered the real thing : fresh "raw" butter bought from the producer, and it became an occasional delicacy for me (while the more industrial variety was still part of the background noise of my diet). Now my Better Half, an olive-oil baby, is hooked on raw butter. Sadly, from a health point of view.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:43:10 AM EST
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I'll just leave this here...



The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 01:55:47 PM EST
PhysOrg - Why Moderate Beliefs Rarely Prevail

We live in a world of extremes, where being fervently for or against an issue often becomes the dominant social ideology - until an opposing belief that is equally extreme emerges to challenge the first one, eventually becoming the new social paradigm. And so the cycle repeats, with one ideological extreme replacing another, and neither delivering a sustainable solution. Political revolutions, economic bubbles, booms and busts in consumer confidence, and short-lived reforms such as Prohibition in the US all follow this kind of cycle. Why, researchers want to know, does a majority of the population not settle on an intermediate position that blends the best of the old and new?

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Of the seven strategies the researchers tested, only one could effectively expand the moderate subpopulation - and the strategy was based not on social interaction but on other environmental stimuli, which might take the form of a media campaign in real life. By integrating this new parameter into the model, the number of moderates increased without threat of extinction. "The one successful strategy, nonsocial deradicalization, involves a particularly strong sort of encouragement of moderation; for example, its terms with the new parameter are independent of the size of the moderate population," Marvel said. "Hence, our findings suggest that this strong form of encouragement may be necessary for spreading a balanced perspective in a sustainable way."

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 01:59:59 PM EST
My observation would be that we haven't seen this in economics, it's largely been one way traffic in the extremism stakes.

And to take one of their examples at random, not sure alcohol prohibition was replaces with an equally extreme opposite...

Which makes me wonder about the whole approach - seems like there's a lot hidden in the question of who defines what "moderate" means.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 04:18:17 PM EST
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There is that.

But that doesn't mean it isn't useful - well, potentially - to try to move decision-making from a rhetorical basis to a basis that's understood more objectively and is calibrated for bias and distortion.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 08:16:16 PM EST
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I strongly suspect that many of TPTB have concluded that violent swings from one pole to another is a desirable condition. In the financial markets players make money on movements, not on stable markets. The problem is one of how to get the interests of the vast majority who should benefit from moderation in public affairs to be taken as more important than immediate opportunity. And then there is the problem that it is easier to get people aroused by extreme notions than by moderate ones.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:22:31 PM EST
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True - diary?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:30:21 AM EST
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is non-social deradicalisation another way of adopting the virtues of the 'middle way'?

extremist philosophies are a function/outcome of dualistic, linear thinking. they also attract passionate natures, such as found in youth's vigorously aspirational high idealism, and in the steely ferocity of rabid 'get off my lawn' conservatism. both ends stretch the middle.

it doesn't take much time living under more pragmatic forms of society for extremes to become increasingly seductive, dat'z youman beans for ya!

we are mentally architected to crave adrenalin, notoriously absent from centrist positions. social deradicalisation sounds way too reactionary to work so framed, better call it something faintly hortatory like 'better living through neuroscience', or maybe  'serenity promotes longevity'. centrism makes for insipid propaganda material, lol.

'there be dragons' just turns the attention seekers on...

maybe blake was right and excess eventually leads to wisdom, though in retrospect it seems energetically thriftless, needlessly abrasive and a long, winding way home at the end of the day to arrive in pieces to boot.

reprogram that sucker!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 08:48:34 PM EST
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Tying in with Coleman's broken ribs from yesterday - I was at a BBQ on Sunday where someone decided to punch me in the ribs. I'm still feeling it today. It's probably been 10 years since someone even play-punched me, so it's novel and almost amusing to be feeling the pain (obviously I would not be saying that if I had broken a rib).

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 02:09:18 PM EST
I can't recall ever having been punched. There are a number of different  possible explanations for this - none of which are satisfactory.

A girlfriend once poured a half-litre of beer over me in public, though I doubt if, due to the quality of the beer, Helen would consider it sacrilege.

There have been a few occasions when punches might have been thrown at me, but my basic tactic is to be confusing. I once was told by a seeming expert that I should watch the face. When the potential assailant's face goes lighter it means the blood is rushing to places needed for fighting. I've never tested the theory.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 02:50:23 PM EST
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I'm still looking for a (homemade) BBQ sauce for ribs.

My apologies to all sufferers.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 04:00:43 PM EST
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You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 02:55:43 PM EST
Structural engineers everywhere are crying.
by asdf on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 03:27:00 PM EST
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It's a unicycle with a training wheel.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 03:50:00 PM EST
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I'm not much of a trick cyclist. That posture looks really uncomfortable : leaning forward and pedalling behind you, necessarily with your weight on the handlebars, while steering with hands and feet.

I wouldn't want to try it in the street. But very cool, yes.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:54:44 AM EST
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A new book, "1973: The Road to War," by Dr. Yigal Kipnis, has become the focus for discussion in Israel. It makes Golda Meir look like the worst Prime Minister Israel ever had (and there's tough competition). From Ha'aretz (behind paywall; this is my last free article for now, so I'll have to go back to the Hebrew version for a while)
This story reflects guilt within guilt:  The Agranat commission failed in its duty to carry out an unbiased investigation of the background of the war, without playing favorites. The commission completely disregarded the political factors, which were most important of all.

Thus the commission allowed Meir's supporters to claim that her government left no stone unturned in searching for peace. In reality, Golda simply overturned Abba Eban, the excluded and rejected foreign minister, who was left of out of major channels of communication with Henry Kissinger. The circle of secrets only included Meir, Dayan, Galili, then ambassador to Washington Yitzhak Rabin and PMO Director Simha Dinitz, and later Mordechai Gazit.

In particular, this included a specific peace offer from Egypt (not that different from the eventual Camp David accords) which Meir and Dayan made sure did not come to the attention of anyone who might be in favour. These included the army Chief of Staff and military intelligence. The offer came with a deadline of September 1973 for a response. The war started a few days later....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 03:25:52 PM EST
Slogan from the Tory conference unpacked:

Britain = not United Kingdom. 'Great' understood. Nationalistic. External (threats). Vaguely Caucasian mythical. False inclusive.

Can = catchall motivational. Conditional. Obamaish

Deliver = Government will save you. Services. "Formally hand over".

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 03:30:22 PM EST
And if you mumble a little it comes out sounding like "Stand and deliver".

What's not to like?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 03:52:09 PM EST
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I'm sure my Christmas presents are in very safe hands.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 08:18:19 PM EST
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Everything's in the "can". No guarantees.

Sounds like the railways ad campaign from a few years back :

"SNCF, c'est possible."

Will my train be on time? C'est possible.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:58:04 AM EST
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There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to begin. Wonga is no legal loan shark - and Newcastle is in the right to accept their cash (Julian Knight, The Independent, 10 October 2012)
"Legal loan sharking" was the phrase used by the leader of Newcastle City council to describe Wonga, the short-loans company which has just signed a four year sponsorship deal with Newcastle United Football club. Local MPs have also piled into the club run by entrepreneur Mike Ashley for their greed in opening up to a loan company which charges an eye-watering 4214% a.p.r.

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What's more, just because a shirt is sponsored doesn't mean that we are more likely to borrow money from Wonga - we are sentient human beings after able to make our own decisions. We have to trust people to make their own decisions in life.  And what really qualifies as exploitative in the world of finance?  I'd argue that Northern Rock - a former sponsor of Newcastle United - has a lot more to answer for than Wonga. It was the Rock after all that signed thousands of borrowers up on 125% mortgage deals which has literally chained them to years of negative equity. In addition, the Rock bust itself by betting the farm on the wholesale money markets rather than acting like a responsible bank and growing through acquiring deposits.  This helped precipitate the first British bank run in well over a century - isn't that a little more damaging than lending someone £100 and asking for £120 back a week or two later?

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It's worth remembering too that Wonga and fellow payday lenders do actually meet a purpose. With banks only lending to `prime' customers it's hard for many - and very expensive -  to actually get an overdraft or an extension on a credit card when they a struggling. A couple of hundred pounds to tide over to payday is actually a useful service to them. Of course, as I have written before, there needs to be tight regulation on these loans and authorities need to be careful about who they are marketed too - there was one ridiculous case of a lender pitching payday loans as a viable alternative to a student loan  - but that applies to the whole financial services industry.  Payday lenders are a new service, born of the credit crunch and the recession, and its emergence makes many uncomfortable but the useful thing would be to tackle why they exist - bank lending policy, personal finance education and poverty pay - rather than giving Newcastle United a hard time for acting like - shock horror - a business.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 03:57:20 PM EST
Julian Knight - The Independent
Julian Knight is the Money and Property editor for the Independent on Sunday and interim Economics Correspondent, previously he was the personal finance reporter for BBC News and has published seven books.

There's not a hope he's picking up freebies from Wonga, of course. 4214% is a service, get that straight.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 04:10:57 PM EST
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Someone should make a condescending Wonka about Wonga's 4000% interest rate.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 06:30:49 AM EST
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Under Ponte Marconi in Rome.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 05:15:38 PM EST
Is that amazing collection of scenes actually either cast in plaster or carved in stone, as would appear?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 11:33:44 PM EST
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Apart from the window recesses, it looks like 2D to me.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 01:39:00 AM EST
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Presumably painted.  Trompe-l'oeil painting was a standard technique in the Baroque period, though I think it was usually used for things that were seen from a distance.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 01:39:58 AM EST
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Fantastic. More here:
Blu New Mural In Roma, Italy StreetArtNews
After a large-scale mural in Sardiginia last month (featured), Blu is now in Roma where he just completed this new mural.
Faking an antique Roman style, the Italian street artist painted this stunning piece depicting some of our  modern life syndromes such as Religion, War, Politics etc...
If you are in the area, this one can be seen at the the greyhound track, under Ponte Marconi in Roma.

Very evocative of the Baroque trompe-l'oeil faux-stucco one sees in various Italian cities.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 04:11:31 AM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Oct 10th, 2012 at 09:06:50 PM EST


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