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by afew Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 12:18:22 PM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 12:18:48 PM EST
for the last two days I've been volunteering at a brewery in London (London fields brewery) and have the aches and pains to show for it.

Yesterday I got in, ate a meal and went straight to bed. I woke up still aching and went back in. It's pretty much solid hard graft, helping to lay a floor and preparing an open space for a roof. I'm just not used to this amount of hard labour. Plus I'm not of the age where I can take it in my stride.

So, I left early today and have come home, had a nice shower. I'm going to have an early night and am just catching up a bit.

 

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 01:12:12 PM EST
Perhaps you can write up your experience in a pastiche Martin Amis style :

London Fields (novel) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is the story of a murder. It hasn't happened yet. But it will. (It had better.) I know the murderer, I know the murderee. I know the time, I know the place. I know the motive (her motive) and I know the means. I know who will be the foil, the fool, the poor foal, also utterly destroyed. I couldn't stop them, I don't think, even if I wanted to. The girl will die. It's what she always wanted. You can't stop people, once they start. You can't stop people, once they start creating.

I'm sure a craft brewery would fit the novel nicely.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 03:28:19 AM EST
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today is apparently National coming Out day, where LGBT people remind (bore) their friends with their coming out stories, presumably to build a climate where those who have yet to take the step feel empowered to do so.

So, in such a spirit, mine are here, here and here. These are familiar to olde timers, but people who've only joined recently may not be aware

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 02:03:21 PM EST
I am seeing a collision between companies wanting to be progressive by supporting Coming Out Day while at the same time limiting health insurance to domestic partners to the absolute minimum allowed by law...
by asdf on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 02:33:56 PM EST
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Wow.  Wish I'd read those a long time ago.


Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?
by budr on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:50:45 PM EST
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A book has just been published as a tribute to Talk Talk, a favourite band of both Dear Leader and myself.

however, as usual, you read it on ET first.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 02:07:48 PM EST
Dear Crazy Horse,

You're welcome for Buster Posey.

Sincerely,

Florida State

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:06:38 PM EST
Dear Florida State,

Yes.

Your San Francisco Giants

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 05:32:59 PM EST
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Truly, a great shortstop.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 05:37:15 PM EST
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Catcher, isn't he?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 05:54:26 PM EST
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Catcher and First baseman.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 07:47:16 PM EST
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He began as shortstop for Florida State, and then they changed him into a catcher.

And that strike em out throw em out double play was as awesome as the gran salami.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 04:59:15 AM EST
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Been busy rearranging the rooms in the flat. Changed office to spare room and spare room to Hobby room or Art room or whatever one would call it. Lots of shelf-assembling and book moving and materials and supplies arranging. I don't think eurogreen, Helen or gk would recognize the place any longer.

I haven't worked as hard as you, Helen, but being older, I'll bet I'm almost as tired.  I'll drift back to ET again in the morning.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:42:35 PM EST
What brought that on ? I can't imagine that was a trivial undertaking

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 02:17:29 AM EST
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You recall, I'm sure, how cramped the room was, how hard to get around in. And I need to have easy access to all my supplies and tools as I work.

And the spare room wasn't being used enough, except one bed at a time. So now we have the one bed always available and the sofa bed and some blow-up mattresses, so there won't be any problem if we get a group.

I feel so strong!

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher

by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 04:09:54 AM EST
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sometimes, a woman's gotta do what a woman's gotta do

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 04:37:38 AM EST
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Dr. Wang Shuping: How I Discovered the HIV Epidemic and What Happened to Me Afterwards | Seeing Red in China

Representatives from Xinxiang District (新乡地区) and Nanyang District (南阳地区) countered him with their own numbers. "We also did testings, and the HIV infection rate among transfusion patients and blood donors is also as high as 50-60%, same as Zhoukou District," they said. Director Zhang was very upset. "If this is exposed, all of the directors here will be thrown out!"

When it was my turn to speak, I told him that "I'm the `man' from the clinical testing center in Zhoukou whom you just mentioned, but I am a woman." I said I first reported it to the local Health Bureau before going for verification in Beijing. Presently several people surrounded me, coaxing and pushing me out of the meeting room. In the afternoon I went to the office of Liu Quanxi (刘全喜), one of the heads of the provincial Department of Health. I told him how Zhang Maocai accused me during the morning session. Before I finished speaking, he erupted in rage. "Out! Get out of here!" I left with tears running down my face. I was confused; I didn't understand: How can a senior official be so rude and irrational? Why is he so afraid of the topic of AIDS?

In November, 1996, experts from the provincial Department of Health and a few leaders of the district Health Bureau, led by Zhang Maocai, came to our testing center to inspect. Zhang told us that our equipment didn't meet the standard and we couldn't continue our testing anymore. "I'm concerned with the health of the woman folk working here," Zhang said, "I don't want you to be infected." I asked him to explain what he meant by saying, during the meeting, that our HIV testing aimed at getting the head of the provincial Department of Health and the director of Epidemic Prevention. I was angry. I said, "I don't need your concern; if we were infected, it was just four of us and we are not afraid to die. Why don't you care about those tens of thousands of AIDS victims?" I told him that he had perpetrated a crime for generations of Chinese! Enraged, he left my lab with his cohorts.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 03:57:03 PM EST
Ah, the joys of a political process entirely unaccountable to the people.

Mind you, it's not unknown in the UK, but then again, who said we were really democratic ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 02:20:04 AM EST
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Wynne Godley · Saving Masud Khan: psychoanalysis · LRB 22 February 2001

I don't think that living through an artificial self, which is what had got me into such an awful mess, is all that uncommon. The condition is difficult to recognise because it is concealed from the world, and from the subject, with ruthless ingenuity. It does not feature in the standard catalogue of neurotic symptoms such as hysteria, obsession, phobia, depression or impotence; and it is not inconsistent with worldly success or the formation of deep and lasting friendships. The disjointed components of the artificial self are not individually artificial.

What is it like to live in a state of dissociation? In a real sense, the subject is never corporeally present at all but goes about the world in a waking dream. Behaviour is managed by an auto-pilot. Responses are neither direct nor spontaneous. Every event is re-enacted after it has taken place and processed in an internal theatre. On the one hand, the subject may be bafflingly insensitive but this goes with extreme vulnerability, for the whole apparatus can only function within a framework of familiar and trusted responses. He or she is defenceless against random, unexpected or malicious events. Evil cannot be countered because it cannot be identified.

The short personal story which follows is so familiar in its outline that it may seem stale, but I cannot explain how I allowed such strange things to happen to me unless I tell it.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 04:05:50 PM EST
Fascinating.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 04:55:49 PM EST
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I've been called out this evening to get photos of local flooding.  Photo over in the Salon.

Why planners allow houses to be built on flood plains or new developments to be constructed without adequate drainage infrastructure, I don't know.  

Ad astra per aspera

by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 04:18:11 PM EST
Money.

(Short answers, etc...)

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 04:56:22 PM EST
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Wait, there are places you can build outside of flood plains?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 05:55:36 PM EST
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There's a whole mountainside in Colorado Springs that is a floodplain as a result of the wildfires this summer burning up all the groundcover that kept the surface flow in check. Every time it rains now (which ain't often) there is a big washout of dirt across the main highway west of town...

by asdf on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 06:37:57 PM EST
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Hard to say from the picture if it's a floodplain without knowing the exact location. But if you'd refer to, say, the Mountain Shadows area, that area is not a floodplain.

More likely, you're observing the effects of flash flooding exacerbated by deforestation - which ultimately contributes to increased flooding. The run-off is faster: the water reaches the river quicker, swelling the water, plus erosion is increased which dumps more silt and sand into the streams, clogging them.

by Nomad on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 05:17:25 AM EST
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Right, it is actually Highway 24 west of Colorado Springs, south of where the fire was, right at the edge of the burn. It's a canyon, with a creek in the bottom and a regular narrow flood plain that rarely experiences inundation.

Then there are multiple smaller canyons on the side of the main one, each with a small ditch at the bottom that can carry runoff. Normally, that runoff is limited even in the event of a heavy rain by the vegetation. Now that vegetation has been disrupted, so the volume of water flowing down into the canyon is a lot more than previously. As a result, the main flood plain is now experiencing more frequent events--three or four of them since the fire.

Whether this is a change to the floodplain is an interesting point of semantics. The reality on the ground is that places that did not previously experience flood damage do now, so does that count as a change to the floodplain?

by asdf on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 10:45:43 AM EST
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Colonised and coloniser, empire's poison infects us all | George Monbiot | Comment is free | The Guardian

In 1799 Charles White began the process of identifying Europeans as inherently superior to other peoples. By 1850 the disgraced anatomist Robert Knox had developed the theme into fully fledged racism. His book The Races of Man asserted that dark-skinned people were destined to be enslaved and then annihilated by the "lighter races". Dark meant almost everyone: "What a field of extermination lies before the Saxon, Celtic and Sarmatian races!"

Remarkable as it may sound, this view soon came to dominate British thought. In common with most of the political class, W Winwood Reade, Alfred Russell Wallace, Herbert Spencer, Frederick Farrar, Francis Galton, Benjamin Kidd and even Charles Darwin saw the extermination of dark-skinned people as an inevitable law of nature. Some of them argued that Europeans had a duty to speed it up: both to save the integrity of the species and to put the inferior "races" out of their misery.

These themes were picked up by German theorists. In 1893 Alexander Tille, drawing on British writers, claimed that "it is the right of the stronger race to annihilate the lower". In 1901 Friedrich Ratzel argued in Der Lebensraum that Germany had a right and duty, like Europeans in the Americas, to displace "primitive peoples".



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 05:53:32 PM EST
this remains the philosophy of the conservative party today.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 02:25:34 AM EST
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I find it extraordinary, when reading accounts of 18th century navigator/scientists, that there is little or no obvious trace of racism. In particular, in the accounts of the voyages of Cook, Bligh and others in the South Pacific (anyone interested, read Anne Salmond's fascinating books : she takes an even-handed ethnographic approach with the British and the Polynesians).

Racism. Such a recent concept!

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 04:34:48 AM EST
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Darwin?
His ideas were later misunderstood by the Nazis, was he also a Nazi?


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sapere aude
by Number 6 on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 04:51:38 AM EST
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You mean the bit about "extermination of dark-skinned people as an inevitable law of nature"? I think it is in there. IIRC, he witnessed the ongoing extermination of pampas native americans. I have even seen it argued that he picked up the basis for his theory of evolution by extrapolating from existing ideas of white people replacing everybody else. But then again he was not alone, the entire field of anthropology owns much to the idea of the inevitable extermination of all uncivilised nations, which made it important to study and catalogue them while they existed.

Also Swedish authorities in northern Sweden was so influenced by the idea that the extermination of the uncivilised Sami, that they wrote statements to that effect in reports even in years when their actual numbers showed an increase. 19th century common wisdom.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 09:32:00 AM EST
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Apparently it's Day of the girl:

http://www.thehungerproject.co.uk/newsandevents/eventcalendar/international-day-of-the-girl-2012/

Here's a girl, an outstanding Olympian, you probably won't have heard of but should have - truly awesome, and rather more significant than e.g. swimming some distance a fraction of a second faster than others:

"Lisa Sauermann (born September 25, 1992) is a German schoolgirl who became the second most successful participant in the International Mathematical Olympiad. She is ranked No.2 in the International Mathematical Olympiad Hall of Fame, having won four gold medals (2008-2011) and one silver medal (2007) at this event. In all of those occasions she represented Germany. She was the only student to achieve a perfect score at IMO 2011."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Sauermann

Obama with a lot of girls - it's OK, they're very smart, it won't be on Fox:

http://aauwmathscience.blogspot.fr/

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 06:01:02 PM EST
Back in the late seventies,  A friend of mines Brother went to the worlds maths Olympics, and came second, beeing a teenage smartarse, Of course he was asked "why didn't you win"?

he replied that he already had the first prize. We were never quite sure if he'd deliberately come second

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 06:22:34 PM EST
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The 25 Best Movies of 2012 (So Far) :: Blogs :: List of the Day :: Paste
22. The Intouchables
Based on a real-life relationship, the odd couple of this film is composed of Philippe (François Cluzet), a millionaire paralyzed in a paragliding accident, and Driss (César-winning Omar Sy), a street hood by way of Senegal. White, black; rich, poor; immobile and extremely animated--Philippe and Driss are opposite in nearly every way. Their paths would never even cross were it not for the paperwork Driss needs signed to show he's looking for work in order to qualify for state assistance. Tired of waiting to interview for a job he surely won't get, he storms into Philippe's office and slaps the form on his desk. Unable to move from the neck down, Philippe of course can't fill it out, so he asks Driss to return in the morning. Impressed with Driss' forthrightness and the fact that he actually comes back the next day, Philippe offers him a job. It's the best thing to happen to both of them. Energetically paced by editor Dorian Rigal-Ansous and scored by Ludovico Einaudi, the immensely enjoyable Intouchables hinges on this central relationship but also broaches social taboos with a politically incorrect wit that flays what's considered off-limits: socioeconomic disparity, race relations and especially physical disability. The filmmakers aren't afraid to "go there," and that they do elevates the sincerely feel-good material to larger cultural relevance. --Annlee Ellingson

just saw this the other night, effing brilliant!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Oct 11th, 2012 at 06:02:00 PM EST
Yes, it's very good, and a huge popular success in France.

Intouchable in colloquial speech means something like "can't be beat", "so far ahead you can't get close". But it also means Untouchable in the sense of low-caste social reject: both Philippe and Driss are, in their ways, untouchables, the one extremely disabled, the other black.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 04:44:41 AM EST
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It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 12:15:25 AM EST






It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 12:29:15 AM EST
Man that cat looks fierce. In picture 2 it's like Alien preparing to strike

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 02:28:25 AM EST
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Went to a Houston Person concert this evening. It was great--reminded me of the Jazz Workshop in Boston in the 1970s...

by asdf on Fri Oct 12th, 2012 at 12:37:43 AM EST


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