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by afew Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:03:31 PM EST

Open thread consumption is good for your health


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Do yourselves a power of good!
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:04:08 PM EST
...And watch the SF Giants "don't get eliminated" game.

Think chess, ballet and athleticism all rolled into a diamond confection. Then drink a bottle of Bordeaux while negotiating a very important... while you're waiting. Then hitch a warp drive to a future where "On The Road" meets" Men In Black 3," and all your communicates (people who communicate?) are in various different zones of the time, and you're diligently trying to forget to respond.

Then decide you can't handle war drive, what with 4.4 hours until first pitch, and try to figure out the time problem. Which collapsed timeline should i choose, Griffin?

I've chosen the one where i go out to buy cigarettes for the evening festivities, and trust i will return to the command control flight deck.

Or not.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:47:00 PM EST
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For the one of you keeping score, you watched so I don't need to post anything. for those of you not keeping score...

the Giants staved off elimination again. Last week they became one of the few teams to ever win three straight elimination games to get to the league championship. To get to the "World" Series they have to do it again.

They began last night (early this morn) with a stunning 5-0 shutout, to force a game 6 and potential game 7 back home in don't call it Frisco. They did it by playing supreme baseball all around.

Hunter Pence Eyes (after galloping a long way to get there)



"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 05:51:57 AM EST
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ha ha ha reporters all rushing to Euston, Osbourne has got into a disagreement with guard on train, he's sat in first class, on a standard ticket and couldn't possibly move :-)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:09:37 PM EST
George Osborne refuses to sit in standard class despite NOT having First Class ticket | Granada - ITV News

Cheshire MP George Osborne has been arguing with ticket collectors after he refused to sit in standard class on a train to London. He had a standard class ticket but sat in first class.

Our reporter Rachel Townsend is on the train. She said:

"George Osborne got on the train with aides at Wilmslow and went straight to first class. Then his aide approached the ticket collector right next to me. He said he is travelling with George and he has a standard ticket but can he remain in first class?

"The guard said no. The aide said Osborne couldn't possibly sit in standard class. The guard replied saying if he wants to stay it's £160.



Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:10:58 PM EST
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Twitter / ian_beckett: Train manager apparently radioed ...
Train manager apparently radioed ahead with the words "Euston, we have a problem" #traingate


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:21:33 PM EST
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Nice. There is the competing hashtag "plebgate", too.
by Katrin on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:34:07 PM EST
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The Guardian cites more hashtags.
George Osborne in 'row with train ticket inspector over first-class upgrade' | Politics | guardian.co.uk

Within an hour of the news breaking, "George Osborne", "Euston" and the hashtag #osbornefilms were all trending on Twitter.

Suggestions for the latter included The Great Train Snobbery, The Never-Spending Tory, Trainsquatting and My Fare, Lady.

Good to know that Osborne is unchanged by the expense scandal. Unable to learn. I wonder what suggestions he has for the uneducable.

by Katrin on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:38:39 PM EST
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police blocked the platform and smuggled him out of the goods entrance. Fortunately some papparazzi had anticipated as such

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:42:28 PM EST
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Zelo Street: All In This Train Together
And so it came to pass that the Rt Hon Gideon George Oliver Osborne, heir to the Seventeenth Baronet, had to return from his Tatton constituency to London. In order to speedily facilitate this move, he presented himself - plus an aide, natch - at Wilmslow station for the 1511 Virgin Trains service to Euston. Having boarded, he sat in the comfy end of the train - that being the First Class one.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:46:31 PM EST
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and someone found this from March

Twitter / Larrylarrylal: Ticket inspector on my train ...

Ticket inspector on my train just got a high five: george osborne tried to sit in 1st class with a std tkt. Inspector said NO


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:08:41 PM EST
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Bet he's claiming expenses for 1st class and pocketing the difference.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:52:10 PM EST
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nope appears he didn't claim 1st class expenses at all last year

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:17:43 PM EST
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A recidivist, a systematic fare cheat.

He's the man to turn Britain's finances around. Everybody cheats everybody else, we all get richer!

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:23:01 PM EST
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And Mitchell has finally resigned.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:01:15 PM EST
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and been apparently replaced by Sitr George Young.

And on the third page of his website

Twitter / guywalters: And amazingly, here's Sir George ...

And amazingly, here's Sir George Young with....Jimmy Savile! (H/T @bbcnickrobinson) http://yfrog.com/nxyupsoj


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:27:34 PM EST
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Evidently Osborne is simply running interference

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:45:54 PM EST
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Good to see that the UK continues to elect upper class twits into office. Over here he would just take a helicopter...
by asdf on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:43:19 PM EST
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well theres a quote of his "The homeless are the people one steps over when you come out of the Opera"

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 04:22:12 PM EST
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The quasi-peaceable gentleman of leisure, then, not only consumes Open Threads beyond the minimum required for subsistence and physical efficiency, but his consumption also undergoes a specialisation as regards the quality of the Open Threads consumed.  - Thorstein Veblen


Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 12:21:57 PM EST
The more Open Threads you consume, the better it gets.

Quite right, your Veeble guy.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:54:34 PM EST
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Hello everyone.
I have been travelling and not following the news. Can anyone tell me who is ahead in the US presidential election?
by stevesim on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 01:54:02 PM EST
Keep travelling a few more weeks, Steve! Best way to stay sane.

Seriously, it's scary how little I care about it. Especially compared to how scarily over-invested I was last time around.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:00:13 PM EST
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It's unexpectedly undecided. That's scary too.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:01:32 PM EST
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It's hard to tell.  Romney jumped out to a pretty healthy lead after the first debate, but that seems to be slowly coming down.

On the whole, still looks like Obama's ahead in the states he needs, but very little margin for error if the race stabilizes at this level.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:24:40 PM EST
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Utah's biggest paper, the Salt Lake City Tribune, just came out for Obama. The article was devastatingly disdainful of Romney. You can find it at the Big Orange.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:33:31 PM EST
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Yeah, but the Trib is not notoriously in agreement with the Mormons on a lot of things...
by asdf on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 04:25:38 PM EST
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SLC also isn't nearly as right-wing as the rest of the region.  They've had Dems elected there.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 09:50:40 AM EST
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Yeah, living in the city will do that to you... Luckily, our "over-represent the farmers by having a senate" system is used at both the state and federal levels to make sure that the hick cousin-marrying rural types get to control more than their share.
by asdf on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 05:48:52 PM EST
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I put my trust in Nate Silver at 538. He gives 68% chance for Obama to win the electoral college and 32% chance Rmoney. Since his model expects bounces to fade, he never had Rmoney over 39% even when the polls had him as the leader in the wake of the first debate.

He also gives the democrats 88% chance of winning the senate, with the republicans at 12% (independents counted with the party they are likely to caucus with).

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 10:23:43 AM EST
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Thanks everyone
by stevesim on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:30:49 PM EST
Brits develop synthetic fuel that scrubs carbon from the atmosphere | The Raw Story

Engineers in London said this week that they've developed a new type of synthetic vehicle fuel that's created out of water and thin air, literally by pulling carbon molecules out of the atmosphere and recycling them.

Speaking to a conference this week put on by the British Institution of Mechanical Engineers, researchers with Air Fuel Synthesis, Ltd. said they've successfully married a synthetic fuel production technique that dates back to World War II with modern atmospheric carbon capture and sequestration methods.

The resulting product, they said, works in all current vehicles, can be blended with conventional fuels, and just might be a game changer for human energy and the fight against climate change if it's ever produced on a large enough scale.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:32:52 PM EST
i read today they made 5 gallons since august!

i wonder how much energy that took?

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:17:49 PM EST
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It's all standard tech, they point out.

Key phrase : they identified ways of creating intellectual property out of certain stages of the process, i.e. They intend to get rich by privatising public-domain IP.

Any fuel produced is a by-product, I suspect. And damn the expense.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:26:12 PM EST
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To be fair, this should be viewed much more as being about producing carbon neutral storage of energy (e.g. when the wind blows, but people are not using the power...) than about energy generation.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 05:21:32 PM EST
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Où en est-on des biocarburants de 2e et 3e générations ? Where are we at with 2nd and 3rd generation biofuels? | Le Monde
la production industrielle d'éthanol à partir de résidus est encore loin de voir le jour. "Cela ne devrait pas être le cas avant 2020, estime Jérôme Frignet, chargé de la campagne biocarburants chez Greenpeace. Le problème, c'est que cette filière manque de volumes suffisants de déchets inutilisés." Les rémanents en foresterie et agriculture servent en effet à nourrir le bétail, fertiliser les sols ou encore abriter la biodiversité. Ils sont aussi utilisés pour produire de l'électricité et de la chaleur via le bois-énergie, une cogénération dont le rendement s'avère supérieur à celui des biocarburants. the industrial production of ethanol from residues is still far from seeing the light of day. "This is unlikely to happen before 2020 , said Jerome Frignet, in charge of the biofuels campaign at Greenpeace. The problem is that the industry lacks sufficient volumes of unused waste." Forestry and agriculture residues are in effect used to feed livestock, fertilize the soil or shelter biodiversity. They are also used to produce electricity and heat using wood energy, cogeneration whose performance is higher than that of biofuels.
Les limites se posent aussi en termes de faisabilité technique. "On n'a toujours pas réussi à produire un niveau d'éthanol suffisant pour rentabiliser les procédés industriels d'extraction du sucre des déchets", explique Henry-Eric Spinnler. Selon le chercheur, le rendement de la conversion en éthanol de la matière lignocellulosique de la plante (cellulose et lignine, dont les chaînes de molécules sont difficiles à dissocier) s'avère 30 % plus faible que celui de la conversion de l'amidon (contenu dans les céréales). Le processus de fermentation est en outre plus lent. Enfin, le titre alcoolique, c'est-à-dire le degré alcoolique obtenu, se révèle moins élevé.Limitations also arise in terms of technical feasibility. "We still haven't managed to produce a level of ethanol sufficient to make profitable the industrial processes of sugar extraction from waste" , says Henry-Eric Spinnler. According to the researcher, the efficiency of the conversion to ethanol of the lignocellulosic matter of the plant (cellulose and lignin, the molecular chains of which are difficult to separate) is 30% lower than that of the conversion of starch (in grains). The fermentation process is also slower. Finally, the degrees proof, that is to say, the alcohol obtained, turns out to be lower.
Dernier frein : les lourds investissements qu'exige une technologie plus complexe que celle employée pour les biocarburants issus de cultures agricoles. Une centaine d'unités pilotes de production de biocarburants de deuxième génération sont en fonctionnement ou en projet dans le monde, principalement en Amérique du Nord et en Asie, mais aucune n'a atteint l'échelle industrielle.Final brake: the large investments required by a more complex technology than that used for biofuels from agricultural crops. About a hundred pilot plants for second generation biofuels are in operation or planned around the world, primarily in North America and Asia, but none has reached industrial scale.

Of course, they still say it's algae that's the real hope.

It's been the same old song for years.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:41:30 PM EST
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Exclusive: Pioneering scientists turn fresh air into petrol in massive boost in fight against energy crisis - Home News - UK - The Independent

Other companies are working on ways of improving the technology of carbon capture, which is considered far too costly to be commercially viable as it costs up to £400 for capturing one ton of carbon dioxide.

However, Professor Klaus Lackner of Columbia University in New York said that the high costs of any new technology always fall dramatically.

"I bought my first CD in the 1980s and it cost $20 but now you can make one for less than 10 cents. The cost of a light bulb has fallen 7,000-fold during the past century," Professor Lackner said.

The cost of making a CD was always a pittance compared to the price they were sold at. A bit of obfuscation to motivate financing.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:58:13 AM EST
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"the high costs of any new technology always fall dramatically"

Translation: the high costs of any successful technology always fall dramatically.

Maybe the costs of one or several synfuel processes will fall dramatically. Maybe none of them will. But it's obvious that not all of them will.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 09:36:52 AM EST
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I would like to say that I saw this and snapped it in the "decisive moment". It wasn't quite like that, sometimes the gods throw you a gift; I was going to take a general shot of the tables and the tram stop sign with "Liberation" on it. But she walked into the frame - so then I snapped it :-)

a-gauloise2-nice-9964

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:13:28 PM EST
Can anyone not in the UK see this article?

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20121018-hidden-rules-of-human-progress

I've been told it is interesting, but there appears no simple way to access it from within the UK.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 05:49:34 PM EST
I can see the article in the USA.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 08:19:24 PM EST
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It is an extract from The Half-Life of Facts by Samuel Arbesman

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 08:35:25 PM EST
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Readable in Finland

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:25:27 AM EST
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Comes through in Germany.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:34:58 AM EST
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OK in Gaul.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:54:25 AM EST
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Same in Helvetia.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:01:03 AM EST
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I think he's actually hinting he'd like someone to cut and paste it so's he can read it, cos we can't

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:06:11 AM EST
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Can't post an entire article like that, especially as there is some copyright thing about the UK, apparently.

But see here.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:26:16 AM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:23:55 AM EST
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Thankyou!
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 10:23:48 AM EST
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Seems a bit unfocused, but it is interesting, I'll try to diary it later.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 10:26:33 AM EST
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there appears no simple way to access it from within the UK

What!?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 05:13:01 AM EST
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BBC - Help - Future
We're sorry but this site is not accessible from the UK as it is part of our international service and is not funded by the licence fee. It is run commercially by BBC Worldwide, a wholly-owned subsidiary of the BBC, the profits made from it go back to BBC programme-makers to help fund great new BBC programmes. You can find out more about BBC Worldwide and its digital activities at www.bbcworldwide.com.


Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 07:29:11 AM EST
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That is just A1 fucking amazingly stupid on the part of a public service broadcaster.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:17:50 AM EST
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What's particularly Kafka-esque is I don't see any way to pay to get it... I'm sure I'd grumble at paying, but I'm given no option but to try and circumvent their wall.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 10:25:25 AM EST
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So because BBC worldwide is commercial they release this for free to the rest of the world. That is just so silly.

If you don't mind a bit of loading time and extra ads, there is always webproxies like this one.

If that link don't work for one reason or another, go here:

Hide My Ass! Free Proxy and Privacy Tools - Surf The Web Anonymously

Use our free proxy to surf anonymously online, hide your IP address, secure your internet connection, hide your internet history, and protect your online identity.

Paste in BBC-adress. Should work.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 09:06:55 AM EST
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