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by DoDo Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 03:44:54 PM EST

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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:03:58 PM EST
EU summit deal aims for full 'banking union' in 2014 | EurActiv
European Union leaders have agreed plans to complete the European banking union by January 2014, after the general elections in Germany. The concession was made to Angela Merkel who argued for "quality" over "speed" in putting in place the new supervisory system.After a night of discussions, EU leaders made some advancement towards establishing a single banking supervisor for the eurozone as the first of the three pillars of the banking union, agreeing it would start phasing-in as of next year and become operational "probably" in the course of 2013.

...French and EU officials said all 6,000 banks in the single currency area would gradually come under the supervision of the European Central Bank by 2014, starting with banks receiving state aid, then large cross-border institutions. Most day-to-day oversight would be delegated to national bodies.

The agreement appeared to be a defeat for German Finance Minister Wolfgang  Schäuble's efforts to delay and limit the scope of European banking supervision.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:06:46 PM EST
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Hollande: Eurozone budget will come 'in addition, not in substitution' of EU budget | EurActiv
French President François Hollande sought to reassure Britain and other non-eurozone countries that plans to establish a special budget for the currency bloc will only come "in addition" to the EU budget and not "in substitution" of it. But he also warned: No country can prevent the others from moving forward.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:06:55 PM EST
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Cameron: 'The plates of Europe are moving' | EurActiv

British Prime Minister David Cameron's rhetoric at the EU summit differed from that of other leaders, using the opportunity to reiterate that Britain wants to seek a "fresh settlement" with Europe.

Cameron was one of the last of the 27 EU leaders to arrive at the summit in Brussels on Thursday evening. And as he entered the building, he didn't sound like he was singing from the same hymn sheet as the others. Whilst the talk was of a possible deal on a banking union, Cameron wanted to push the idea of completing the single market.

"We're in a global race and we need to make sure we're competitive, that the EU is competitive. That means deregulation, supporting enterprise, doing trade deals with the biggest countries in the world," he said.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:07:04 PM EST
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De-regulation ??? After all that's happened you still think de-regulation has anything to do with economic success ???

Well, experience is evidently not part of the learning process for conservatives. You can lead a conservative horse to water, but you just have to drown it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 07:54:52 AM EST
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With a proper intervention of psychological counseling and, as necessary, cognitive and mood altering psycho-pharmeceuticals cognitive psychosis can be cured although the patient will revert if they are not removed from the environment invoking the psychotic response(s).

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:51:27 AM EST
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However, where the environment invoking the psychotic responses is inside the person's head, removal tends to be terminal. Alternatively, according to some practitioners of the neurotic arts, the environment can be left inside the head but changed beyond recognition by the application of scrambling volts. Others, neo-trepanners, believe that surgical lesions do the trick. I believe surgical lobotomies are still practised in the US.

Then we have what some call 'chemical lobotomies', which imo are the only way forward, though much greater precision is required. Therapy can only be of use when a patient can regain some mediation over their behaviourial distortions - or what some might call the 'rational' nets of the mind. This can only be accomplished by exogenous correction of the biochemical imbalances. Sadly, we are a long way from understanding how that works.

In the case of the David Camerons of the world, a course of Lysergic acid diethylamide would, while illustrating the essentially hallucinatory nature of sensory experience for most normal people, nevertheless aggravate the condition in elite conservatives. Thus the Jacobin solution seems the only method available for removing patient from the environment - or, as we call it, 'going down with the ship.'

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:03:49 PM EST
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EUobserver.com / Headline News / Barroso and Van Rompuy win battle for Nobel limelight
BRUSSELS - The EU has choreographed an elaborate solution to the conundrum of who should pick up its Nobel peace prize.

Under the plan, agreed in the margins of an EU summit in Brussels on Thursday (18 October), European Commission chief Jose Manuel Barroso and EU Council head Herman Van Rompuy will accept the gong and make speeches at the gala in Oslo in December.

European Parliament chief Martin Schulz will go with them but will not speak.

The 27 EU leaders are to sit in the audience, but diplomats doubt whether all of them will actually turn up.



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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:07:16 PM EST
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Parallel universes | Presseurop (English)

"Brussels..." "Athens..."

At the European Council, François Hollande and Angela Merkel remain divided on the issue of ECB supervision of European banks. Meanwhile, in the Greek capital, the growing number of violent attacks on immigrants mounted by neo-Nazi activists of the Golden Dawn party is met with indifference by the country's political class. Recently Greek MP Eleni Zaroulia, who is the wife of the leader of Golden Dawn, Nikos Michaloliakos, and a member of the European Council's commission on equality and non-discrimination, described immigrants as subhuman in a speech to parliament. 



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:08:26 PM EST
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European leaders on campaign trail in Bucharest | Presseurop (English)

In the Romanian parliament building, leaders of the European People's Party (EPP), including the President of the European Commission, José Manuel Barroso and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, made speeches in the presence of Romanian President Traian Băsescu and members of his right-wing coalition ARD.

Meanwhile, in the National Stadium, the president of the Alliance of Democrats and Liberals for Europe, Guy Verfostadt and the head of the European Liberal, Democrat and Reform Party, Graham Watson as well as Bulgarian Socialist Sergueï Stanichev addressed a crowd of 70,000 supporters of the USL, the centre-left coalition of Prime Minister Victor Ponta.

On October 17, Bucharest was, for the day, the capital of European politics. The events were organised in conjunction with general elections scheduled for December 9. It was a day on which "the ARD and the USL struggled to obtain a European legitimacy," sums up Romanian daily România Liberă.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:11:18 PM EST
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Blasts blamed on terrorists disrupt gas flow in Turkey | EurActiv

A remote-control roadside bomb ripped through a military vehicle today (19 October) near Agri, an eastern province of Turkey, according to reports in the Turkish press.

Agri Governor Mehmet Tekinarslan described it as a terrorist attack targeted at the gas pipeline. The governor said that 28 soldiers were wounded, one seriously.

The incident is the latest in a series of explosions that hit gas pipelines in Turkey this month. On 8 October, Turkish authorities blamed the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) separatist group for a blast on a pipeline in Turkey's southeast that halted the Iranian gas flow to the region.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:11:32 PM EST
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Reuters: Merkel's toughest political ally turns milder on Greece (Sat October 20, 2012)
But at the CSU's annual congress in Munich on Friday and Saturday, the Bavarians joked they were behaving like "purring kittens" instead, sounding a more conciliatory tone towards twice bailed-out Greece than as recently as a month ago.

"If we turned a blind eye when Greece adopted the euro, it's now time to turn another blind eye," said Hannelore Gabor, mayor of Garching, a town of 16,000 inhabitants north of Munich.

"The costs would be much higher if we didn't," said the local politician, sporting a traditional Bavarian dirndl dress.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:19:50 PM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:11:49 PM EST
Spanish unions call for anti-austerity strike - Spain - FRANCE 24

Spain's main trade unions on Friday called a general strike for Nov. 14, coinciding with similar protests in Portugal and Greece.

The Workers' Commissions and General Workers' unions called the strike - the second to be held in Spain this year - to protest the conservative government's austerity measures and labor reforms. A partially successful stoppage was held March 29.

Workers' Commissions spokesman Fernando Lezcano said it would be the first ever joint general strike in Iberian neighbors Spain and Portugal.

The General Workers' union in a statement said the strike was called to press for a change in government policy because "cuts are strangling the economy and dismantling our social model."



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:12:01 PM EST
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France's president is an 'imbecile', Karl Lagerfeld says - FRANCE - FRANCE 24

Paris-based German fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld has slammed the French president as "an imbecile" whose "disastrous" policies "will drive the rich out of France".

The comments were made in an interview for the Spanish edition of Marie Claire magazine, extracts of which were published on the website of Spanish daily El Mundo on Friday.

"This imbecile, he'll be just as disastrous as [former Spanish premier José Luis] Zapatero," he told the magazine, which he is guest editing for its 25th anniversary.

"Hollande hates the rich. He clearly wants to punish them -- they'll leave [the country] and nobody will invest," he said. "Foreigners won't invest, and things will stop working.

Imbecile.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:12:10 PM EST
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Sean Quinn avoids jail - for now | World news | The Guardian

Ireland's former richest man Sean Quinn has avoided prison for at least another fortnight after the high court in Dublin granted his legal team a 13-day adjournment.

Quinn's son Sean Jnr was also released from prison on Friday after serving a three-month sentence for contempt of court - a charge that he, his father and his cousin Peter Darragh Quinn were all found guilty of earlier this summer.

They were found guilty after it emerged the Quinns had moved assets worth millions of euros out of reach of the former Anglo Irish Bank. The bank alleges the Quinn family owe the now state-owned institution more than €2bn (£1.6bn).



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:12:19 PM EST
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Totally unrelated:

Carla Bruni Holds Garden Party To Fete Karl Lagerfeld's Legion Of Honor (PHOTO) (April 6, 2010)

Karl Lagerfeld was awarded France's Legion of Honor at the Elysee palace on Thursday, and was also treated to a surprise garden party by French President Nicolas Sarkozy and his wife Carla Bruni, WWD reports.

Lagerfeld and Bruni are old friends--he's even photographed the former supermodel nude. But Sarkozy was totally at ease. He joked about the demanding fashion show calendar, saying, "A world where there is an election every six months--I feel for you: Horrible, horrible, horrible." He also told the Kaiser, "Frankly, I really enjoy your company because next to you, I feel calm, quiet and a bit of a drudge."



Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 06:49:23 AM EST
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This is the theory that they are selling worldwide...for decades as long as I am on the watch...all for just one reason for rich to pay less or no tax.
There we had it, they had all those loopholes and never actually payed tax nowhere near middle class did. And see where we are! It's not sustainable and it's not working. As if that wasn't enough they invented all this bad money (debt) to go straight to their pockets so that they can make RECORD profits every single year and of course they did not pay proper tax on it. Now when this game is approaching the end they would rather starve middle class to death then accepted their losses.
No, Holande is not an idiot and soon they will not have where to run with their money except on some God forgotten island because taxes for rich will come everywhere by force or by will.
Destroying western middle class is destroying China's and India's businesses as we speak...so I would like to know where the hell rich people are going to invest exactly (and have those record profits that they are still dreaming of).
Just let them cry...they will not have anywhere to go and make money soon...they can spend it but it will not last long having in mind their life style.
Just let them cry.
The only thing that I really cannot understand is why the hell people (99% not rich) are voting for those right bastards...
by vbo on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:01:49 AM EST
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No More Industrial Revolutions? - Thomas B. Edsall - Campaign Stops NY Times
In his widely discussed National Bureau of Economic Research paper, "Is U.S. Economic Growth Over?" Gordon predicts a dark future of "epochal decline in growth from the U.S. record of the last 150 years.” The greatest innovations, Gordon argues, are behind us, with little prospect for transformative change along the lines of the three previous industrial revolutions:

... For Obama, the argument that America has run out of string is politically untouchable. In the case of Romney and the Republican Party, something very different appears to be taking place.

... Affluent Republicans - the donor and policy base of the conservative movement -- are on red alert. They want to protect and enhance their position in a future of diminished resources. What really provokes the ferocity with which the right currently fights for regressive tax and spending policies is a deeply pessimistic vision premised on a future of hard times.

I say Amen and Amen.
by epochepoque on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:17:03 AM EST
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Big innovation, by their nature, are not predictable when using existing and historic trends.  IBM was coasting along making computers when they introduced the transistor based 1401 and - whacko - they sold more in the first three months than they expected (predicted) to sell over the entire product life and kicked-off the computer revolution  

To "capture" big innovation funders have to be willing to take a big chance, assume high risk, and it's easier to put money into Me-Too products targeted at existing market(s).

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 11:44:49 AM EST
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 WORLD 


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:12:31 PM EST
Anti-Syrian security official among dead in Beirut car bomb attack | World news | guardian.co.uk

Eight people have been killed and more than 78 injured after a massive car bomb tore through a middle-class largely Christian neighbourhood of Beirut.

One of the dead - apparently the target of the attack - was a senior internal security official, Major General Wissam al-Hassan. Hassan had been behind the break up of an alleged pro-Syrian network that had been smuggling explosives into Lebanon for a bombing campaign.

The death of Hassan, who reportedly had concerns he had become a target for assassination, is bound to lead to speculation that Syria, or its allies were behind the attack despite the quick condemnation by Damascus of the attack.

...Hassan also led the investigation that implicated Syria and its ally Hezbollah in the killing of the former prime minister Rafik al-Hariri a Lebanese, official said.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:12:40 PM EST
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Libyan militias take on Gaddafi loyalists in Bani Walid - LIBYA - FRANCE 24

Ten people were killed and dozens wounded as Libyan militias operating alongside the defence ministry shelled the former Gaddafi stronghold of Bani Walid and faced counter-attacks, a resident and medical source said on Wednesday.

The hilltop town was one of the last to surrender last year to the rebels who overthrew dictator Muammar Gaddafi. It has come back into focus with the death last month of rebel fighter Omran Shaban after two months of detention in Bani Walid.

Shaban, from nearby Misrata, was the man who found Gaddafi hiding in a drain pipe in Sirte on Oct. 20, 2011.

Libya's ruling national congress had ordered the defence and interior ministries to find those who abducted Shaban and were suspected of torturing him to death. It also gave Bani Walid a deadline to hand them over.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:12:48 PM EST
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Hah...do not tell...I thought that Libya is now under control of "our" western friends. What to actually expect from friends that so barbarically killed Gadhafi? Obviously to kill USA ambassador same way (to this day we do not know how exactly his and others killed death looked like...Were they sodomised like Gadhafi?)  
We were under impression looking at western media that things are much better now when they have democracy ...until ambassador was killed.
Full on civil war is raging in Libya but there is no one to tell us that.
One more disaster on a long list of foreign policy disasters of the west.
by vbo on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:20:50 AM EST
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Scores dead as Syrian jets bomb rebel-held town - SYRIA - FRANCE 24
Air strikes on the rebel-held town of Maaret al-Numan buried at least 43 people alive on Thursday after bombs turned three buildings to rubble. There has been heavy fighting in and around the town since rebels captured it last week.


*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:12:58 PM EST
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FBI 'stings' under scrutiny after NY bomb plot arrest - USA - FRANCE 24

US officials arrested a Bangladeshi immigrant on Wednesday for attempting to detonate a fake car bomb outside the Federal Reserve building in New York, the latest in a series of FBI sting operations that critics say lure vulnerable people into fictitious terror plots.

Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis, a 21-year-old Bangladeshi who was in the United States on a student visa, was arrested after he attempted to detonate what he thought was a 1,000-pound bomb.

The explosives material was inert and the mobile phone that he believed served as a detonator had, in fact, been rigged by US authorities.

..."The big question is, would these people have been able to do these plots without the help of the FBI? Some have even been calling it entrapment," said FRANCE 24's Nathan King, reporting from New York. This could even be seen as "creating terrorism", King said, quoting a judge from a 2009 case in which two men were convicted of trying to blow up synagogues.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:13:07 PM EST
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It all stinks...and honestly I do not really trust any of these "news".
by vbo on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:23:14 AM EST
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You don't need to trust this news, the outrageous part is in plain sight: none of these terror plots would have existed without the meddling of FBI informants.

To recede even further from any need for conspiracy: the main factor may not even be the ambition of FBI agents, but the eagerness of these FBI informants to prove themselves useful before their FBI minders (after all, many of them are petty criminals who are given a second chance). In other words, the whole system works towards this "created terrorism".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:40:31 PM EST
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Yes you are right...but I also would expect more from serious people in FBI and elsewhere...are they in hands of petty criminals/informers on this matter?Then God help us! Is there anybody there to decide on the facts seriously or not?
But I am also considering that every now and then we " need" to be scared by some potential terrorist plot...it's good for those in power.  
by vbo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:32:56 PM EST
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I know it is from the Daily Mail, but if only half of this is true, it is beyond words!

US drone attacks: CIA chiefs face arrest over horrific evidence of bloody 'video-game' sorties | Mail Online

The Mail on Sunday today reveals shocking new evidence of the full horrific impact of US drone attacks in Pakistan.

A damning dossier assembled from exhaustive research into  the strikes' targets sets out in heartbreaking detail the deaths of teachers, students and Pakistani policemen. It also describes how bereaved relatives are forced to gather their loved ones' dismembered body parts in the aftermath of strikes.

The dossier has been assembled by human rights lawyer Shahzad Akbar, who works for Pakistan's Foundation for Fundamental Rights and the British human rights charity Reprieve.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:16:12 AM EST
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US drone attacks: CIA chiefs face arrest over horrific evidence of bloody 'video-game' sorties | Mail Online

He claimed the intelligence behind drone strikes was often seriously flawed. As a result, `they are causing the loss of innocent lives'.

But even this, he added, was not  as objectionable as the so-called `signature strikes' - when a drone operator, sitting at a computer screen thousands of miles away in Nevada, selects a target because he thinks the drone camera has spotted something suspicious.

He said: `It could be a vehicle  containing armed men heading towards the border, and the operator thinks, "Let's get them before they get there," without any idea of who they are.

`It could also just be people sitting together. In the frontier region, every male is armed but it doesn't mean they are militants.'

bold mine

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:19:56 AM EST
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CIA chiefs will be arrested and held to account when hell freezes.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 11:45:55 AM EST
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Shahzad Akbar's dossier has been reported before in more respectable media. Spiegel reported it in July 2011 (also in German). (I recall including it in a Salon but can't find it now.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:14:38 PM EST
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They will play this game on all of us soon...very convenient for protesters for example...and specially because lately they are talking about drones with cameras everywhere so they can have all of us on their watch. Like it is not enough that average person is cough on camera about 70 times everyday already... statistic tell us so.Aren't we in Orwell world already?
by vbo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 10:52:28 PM EST
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 LIVING OFF THE PLANET 
 Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food 


*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:13:21 PM EST
Exclusive: Pioneering scientists turn fresh air into petrol in massive boost in fight against energy crisis - Home News - UK - The Independent

A small British company has produced the first "petrol from air" using a revolutionary technology that promises to solve the energy crisis as well as helping to curb global warming by removing carbon dioxide from the atmosphere.

Air Fuel Synthesis in Stockton-on-Tees has produced five litres of petrol since August when it switched on a small refinery that manufactures gasoline from carbon dioxide and water vapour.

The company hopes that within two years it will build a larger, commercial-scale plant capable of producing a ton of petrol a day. It also plans to produce green aviation fuel to make airline travel more carbon-neutral.

...Although the process is still in the early developmental stages and needs to take electricity from the national grid to work, the company believes it will eventually be possible to use power from renewable sources such as wind farms or tidal barrages.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:13:29 PM EST
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Here's another thought. GROW PLANTS!! Oh, but that sounds like farming and how do you get gullible people to invest their hard earned savings in that boring subject. What fucking bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:17:53 AM EST
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European MPs call for EU-wide ban on foie gras - FRANCE - FRANCE 24
A group of European MPs called on Thursday for a controversial EU-wide ban on the production and sale of foie gras. The famous French delicacy is made by force-feeding ducks and geese, a process described by animal rights groups as "torture".

...French authorities were not amused when California set a precedent by becoming the first state to forbid the consumption of foie gras in July this year.

...Currently, farming of animals to produce foie gras is banned in 22 EU nations - excluding Belgium, Bulgaria, France, Hungary and Spain - but not the import or sale of what campaigners dub as "torture in a tin".



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:13:37 PM EST
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Our so very useful European Parliament.

And people wonder why average European citizens think the Euro budget is far too large

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:08:56 PM EST
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Most people in Europe think foie gras is snobbish and cruel to animals, so I fails to see da link you suggest...
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:12:59 PM EST
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Got some polling to  back that  assertion?

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:14:14 PM EST
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What about your claim?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:31:18 PM EST
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Ambivalence and hostility to the EU, increasing among EU citizens, is not exactly a secret.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE67P0XG20100826?irpc=932

That there has been serious research on EU attitudes to foie gras, on the other hand...

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:43:07 PM EST
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And it's no secret how much propaganda has been at work over years to push opinion that way. How proud are you to be on the same side?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:51:29 PM EST
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of the EU track pretty well with the continuously pathetic performance of various EU institutions in response to the biggest economic crisis to face the continent since the 1940's.

Not sure propaganda was needed for that.

Many of us never believed the EU hype. It has always been a neo-liberal project, the push for austerity now is a logical expression of that. You can call that pissing in the soup if you lile, but when I voted no, like my party, to the neo-liberal constitution, I called it democracy, inconvenient as you may find that.

And we got Lisbon and the Austerity pact anyway.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:13:53 PM EST
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You started in on the EP was no good and that explained why people thought the EU budget was too high.

I am saying that you know the problem is neoliberalism and not that.

So why don't you talk about the problem, and not the bullshit the Europhobes have been flogging for years?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:28:56 PM EST
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doing the people's business, I'll be first in line to applaud.

Foie gras bans though...not exactly the people's business, and exactly the sort of  petty meddling with irrelevant national laws and customs which undermines their already rapidly declining credibility.

And foie gras is not a neo-lib plot.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:40:32 PM EST
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Oh well: you're talking smartass bullshit to avoid the main point: which is that you're servilely repeating Europhobic propaganda.

Which makes me wonder exactly what Europe you propose.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:43:39 PM EST
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Proposals for a proper democratic Europe solidaire are public, you can easily read, for instance, Patrick Le Hyaric on the subject.

But you deal with the Europe you actually have, all the while proposing one which works for Europeans, rather than the elites it serves today.

And this sort of silly side show business demonstrates that this particular institution is more apt to waste its time of trifles than attacking a proper vision.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:54:53 PM EST
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redstar:
this sort of silly side show business

I'm sorry to say you began it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:57:29 PM EST
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I don't even eat foie gras, but excuse me if I think legislating against it at the EU level at this time, a true side show, is a huge waste of time and institutional credibility.

Now excuse me while I go hug a squirrel which, unfortunately, I can't shoot anymore, also thanks to Europe-wide losing of the forest for the trees.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:08:50 PM EST
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Er... At this point at least it's a "group of MEPs" who "call for" a ban.

But of course we should understand that propaganda has nothing to do with people thinking the EU budget is excessive.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:15:53 PM EST
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But what's it doing on Eurotrib?

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by eurogreen on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 06:59:12 PM EST
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excuse me if I think legislating against it at the EU level at this time, a true side show, is a huge waste of time and institutional credibility.

I wonder why you think a proposal by a small group of MEPs should be counted as a waste of institutional credibility. Let's keep focus. Here are those who made the proposal:

MEPs call for an EU Ban on Force-Feeding of Birds for Foie Gras Production

Hosting the Parliament event were MEPs Nadja Hirsch (ALDE, Germany), Andrea Zanoni (ALDE, Italy), Yves Cochet (Greens/EFA, France), Carl Schlyter (Greens/EFA, Sweden), Sirpa Pietikäinen (EPP, Finland), Kartika Liotard (GUE/NGL, Netherlands), David Martin (S&D, UK) and Keith Taylor (Greens/EFA, UK).

Not one PES or EPP member among them, which indicates the chances of success for this proposal (none). But there is one from your political family, a member of the Socialist Party of the Netherlands.

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 12:58:08 PM EST
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>Sirpa Pietikäinen (EPP, Finland), Kartika Liotard (GUE/NGL, Netherlands), David Martin (S&D, UK)<

So, yes EPP and S & D are included.

That said, wake me if this has passed at least the EP.

by IM on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:14:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I can't read...

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:15:53 PM EST
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Or to reformulate: The EU is chock full of neoliberal madness and will probably bury us all. Yet they tell us the problem is that they legislate against torturing geese to death.

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:51:22 PM EST
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That they legislate against "torturing geese" while doing nothing about emerging humanitarian crises in EU member states.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:57:24 PM EST
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I think they should certainly be doing more than they are about humanitarian crises that have in fact been developing for years. But I also don't imagine a parliament that doesn't have to deal with banal legislation.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:03:53 PM EST
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The French parliament legislated against the wearing of the hijab (they actually voted for it with overwhelming majority, it wasn't just a proposal) while doing nothing about emerging humanitarian crises. So where are you calling it ah so useful and calling the French state budget way too large?

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 12:33:28 PM EST
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That is sloppy.

The EU:the council, the ECB, abit the commission.

The other EU that cares about goose: some members of the EP.

The commission is a marginal players int he important development and the EP isn't a player at all.

by IM on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:20:50 PM EST
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The EU was doing pretty well reputation-wise despite the propaganda onslaught, until the crisis hit and the troika started destroying people.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:24:31 PM EST
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Not on the point of "bureaucracy" and "too much budget".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:26:54 PM EST
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Ambivalence and hostility to the EU

LOL. I'm asking for evidence for your specific claim.

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 12:35:55 PM EST
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Only polls I can find are american:

No Foie Gras

Numerous public opinion polls have found a large majority of U.S. citizens oppose the inhumane methods used to produce foie gras and they support passage of laws to prevent this cruelty.

Zogby Poll reveals 77% of NY voters support a ban on force-feeding birds for foie gras.

Zogby Poll Reports Nearly 80% of Americans Support Ban on Foie Gras Production.

Zogby Poll reveals 85% of PA voters support a ban on force-feeding birds for foie gras

Zogby Poll reveals 79% of IL voters support a ban on force-feeding birds for foie gras.

Zogby Poll Shows Four out of Five New Yorkers Favor a Ban on Foie Gras Production

On the other hand, if most member states banned the production without significant opposition to the ban, maybe there is support.

However, I don't think it is an important question in many poeples lives. Nor do I really feel that an EU that by its rules encourages the polish pig-factories is having the right animal rights focus here. I suspect the reason this kind of detail regulation does end up on the EU level is the free trade vs protectionism filter. US states has more power to ban products for different reasons then EU states has. If EU states had the power to ban imports by citing public health concerns, animal concerna and environment concerns then foie gras import ban might be a question in a bunch of countries while not be important in France. And we could do the traditional fish fermentation up here in the traditional unhealthy way (its rotten fish, you don't eat it for your health).

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by A swedish kind of death on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:29:46 PM EST
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Polish pig factories, I don't know. But Poland was the 5th world producer of foie gras and decided to ban production, effective 1999. I don't think there's any doubt about the overall feeling wrt the question.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:34:43 PM EST
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On pig-factories this film is a starting point:

Pig Business - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Pig Business is a 2009 film by Tracy Worcester, a former actress and now an environmental campaigner. It is a feature documentary exposing the huge hidden costs behind the pork and processed meat products on our supermarket shelves, and shows viewers and consumers how they can use their buying power to help create a more compassionate world.[1]

On the role of EU regulation:
Pig Business - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One scientist identifies studies which show that a significant percentage of workers in these super-farms can develop chronic respiratory illness. Because of the EU's agriculture policy, thousands of Polish farmers who have helped to keep their landscape an "unspoilt jewel of Central Europe", are being driven out of business and into unemployment and migration. The advance of factory farms in Poland has been helped by huge multi-million dollar loans from the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development - a bank guaranteed and subsidised by the taxpayer.

It has reached the EP but I don't know if any actions has been taken.

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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 08:31:41 AM EST
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Let's also remember that no action has been taken on the foie gras front, either. The last time a ban was on the agenda was in June:

Article: European Parliament's farming committee rejects proposed ban on foie gras. | AccessMyLibrary - Promoting library advocacy

Budapest, June 20, 2012 (MTI-ECONEWS) - The European Parliament's farming and rural development committee has approved a report on the union's animal welfare strategy for the period between 2012-2015, but rejected a proposal to ban foie gras," Hungarian MEP Bela Glattfelder said on Wednesday.

Another Hungarian MEP told in the Hungarian media that PES and EPP colluded in voting down the ban proposal, which was a feat given that only five member states practice the stuffing of duck and geese (France, Belgium, Hungary [most of the geese stuffing is done here], Spain, Bulgaria).

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 12:49:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Not to mention the link to the EU budget (hint: CAP).

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by DoDo on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:30:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Tell me how much CAP goes to make foie gras.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:52:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The point is, the EP is a minimal part of the EU budget, and it's not French farmers who have to complain about the cost of the EU.

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 12:28:12 PM EST
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If you are to ban foie gras farming on cruelty grounds -and I do admit that you may make a case for it- then you must ban all poultry farming (poulet de bresse possibly excluded).

Foie gras geese and ducks are probably the farmed birds that lead the best life.
It must not be forgotten that they have no gagging reflex, and that massive overfeeding is in geese and ducks a natural thing, they overstuff themselves before migrating -stocking the extra in the liver.

Chickens and turkeys are far more miserable.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:31:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
So it's deep throat or confinement?

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:35:36 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If you mean : all poultry should be free range : then yeah, that's bleedin' obvious. Legislation is slowly moving things in that direction, consumer demand is helping. Because it makes a better product.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 07:03:11 PM EST
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Not mereley free range. Foie gras ducks and geese have a better life than free range chickens or turkeys, by some distance.
And longer, of course.

"Because it makes a better product. "

I am in no doubt that it is in most cases for the same reasons (and not for kindness) that ducks and geese get a better deal. Since they end up as a premium product (not only foie gras, but also confit and magrets), the incentive is stronger to do so than for chickens, though.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 03:53:10 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Not mereley free range. Foie gras ducks and geese have a better life than free range chickens or turkeys, by some distance.

How so?

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 12:29:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The EU bureaucracy costs considerably less, as a percentage of budget, than the average major charity.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:19:38 PM EST
[ Parent ]
that is also accomplishes considerably less.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:24:02 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Still, it's cheaper than war.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:33:21 PM EST
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I'm watching the slow motion track wreck heading to civil unrest in Greece. You sure you want to claim the EU is an effective agent for that purpose today?

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:45:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]
A point (supposed bureaucracy) that has fuck all to do with what is wrong with Europe now.

You know perfectly well that it's neoliberalism and not bureaucracy that's the problem. So why line up with the nationalists and the the sovereignists and the rightwing whiners?

Oh, right, because that's what the Communists have always done. Piss in the soup and change nothing.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:55:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The point being while Athens tilts towards burning, the EUcrats discuss foie gras, proof of whose putative unpopularity due to its elite nature among the citizenry I still await.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs
by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:08:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Bullshit.

As in, bullshit.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:29:52 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What, you mean you have put up numbers on sentiments  about foie gras by citizens of EU member states?

If so, I apologize, I didn't see it.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:33:03 PM EST
[ Parent ]
I call bullshit when you piss on the only EU institution that is worth anything, simply because it is proceeding with questions that come up, as before any parliament.

As for the insinuation that this explains European thinking wrt the budget, it's worthy of the Daily Mail. Precisely.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:38:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]
about Greece's ongoing public health funding crisis?

Priorities.

Daily Mail's got nothing to do with that.

I would be ashamed to admit that I had risen from the ranks. When I rise it will be with the ranks, and not from them Eugene Debs

by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:04:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Your original comment was pure Daily Mail. I don't understand how we can fight for the right kind of Europe while facilely recycling their shit.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:18:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]
EUcrats discuss foie gras

EUcrats don't discuss foie gras. MEPs do.

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:25:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]
You're wrong.
Bureaucracy is the problem.
I worked there remember?
by stevesim on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 03:53:54 AM EST
[ Parent ]
I think redstar's Daily Mail stuff goes well beyond what the French Communists would say...

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:26:09 PM EST
[ Parent ]
They just got a nobel peace price, come on!

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:25:05 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Saudi Arabia reveals plans to be powered entirely by renewable energy | Environment | guardian.co.uk
Saudi Arabia, the world's biggest oil producer, has plans to become 100% powered by renewable and low-carbon forms of energy, according to an influential member of the royal family.

But the process is likely to take decades, and some observers are sceptical as to whether it is any more than window-dressing.

Prince Turki Al Faisal Al Saud, founder of the King Faisal Foundation and one of the state's top spokesmen, told the Global Economic Symposium in Brazil that he hoped the kingdom might be powered entirely by low-carbon energy within his lifetime - he is 67 - but that he thought it was likely to take longer.

However, he insisted Saudi was moving ahead with investment in renewable energy, nuclear power and other alternatives to fossil fuels and that it could use its vast oil reserves for other goods, such as plastics and polymers.



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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:13:49 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Interestingly enough, tonight I decided to be powered completely by oil. Could both of us be lying? Or is it a descrimption of semantics?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 04:34:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
It may not happen, because it will take time and Saudi Arabia may become politically unstable before it happens.

But, the Saudi rulers are not lying, they know they need to cut their dependence on oil, because it's the only resource they have right now to export. They also know it's running out.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 11:24:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
see how sneakily they snuck in nuclear sandwiched between renewable energies and 'other alternatives'?

crafty buggers... but we're onto your games by now!

It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 07:35:10 PM EST
[ Parent ]
If they dare to try to develop nclr wpns, the West will really show them what sanctions mean.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 02:04:43 AM EST
[ Parent ]
US businessman defends controversial geoengineering experiment | Environment | guardian.co.uk

Russ George, who told the Globe and Mail that he is the world's leading "champion" of geoengineering, says he has been under a "dark cloud of vilification" since the Guardian broke news of an ocean fertilisation scheme, funded by an indigenous village on the Haida Gwaii islands, that aimed to make money in offset markets by sequestering carbon through artificial plankton blooms.

"I'm not a rich, scheming businessman, right," he said. "That's not who I am ... This is my heart's work, not my hip pocket work, right?"

A US agency that loaned George's company 20 expensive ocean buoys said they had been "misled," and the Canadian National Research Council that provided funding said they "were not made aware" of plans for ocean fertilisation.

The Council of the Haida Nation, which represents all Haida, issued a statement condemning George.

"The consequences of tampering with nature at this scale are not predictable and pose unacceptable risks to the marine environment," it read. "Our people along with the rest of humanity depend on the oceans and cannot leave the fate of the oceans to the whim of the few."



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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:13:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]
The Energy Rush - After the Boom in Natural Gas - NYTimes
Although the bankers made a lot of money from the deal making and a handful of energy companies made fortunes by exiting at the market's peak, most of the industry has been bloodied -- forced to sell assets, take huge write-offs and shift as many drill rigs as possible from gas exploration to oil, whose price has held up much better.

Rex W. Tillerson, the chief executive of Exxon Mobil, which spent $41 billion to buy XTO Energy, a giant natural gas company, in 2010, when gas prices were almost double what they are today, minced no words about the industry's plight during an appearance in New York this summer.

"We are all losing our shirts today," Mr. Tillerson said. "We're making no money. It's all in the red."

... Mr. Pickens was furious. "We are stupid to drill these wells," he said in a recent interview.

by epochepoque on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 11:05:38 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Wow, a detailed analysis of the bubble that also names and shames some of the people most responsible.

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 01:58:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]
More than a year ago they had this: Documents: Industry Privately Skeptical of Shale Gas, select industry documents on the controversy about the economic viability of shale gas. The accompanying article Insiders Sound an Alarm Amid a Natural Gas Rush more or less predicted the end of the first gold rush that is being experienced now.
by epochepoque on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 03:22:46 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Yes, I remember a third article in the series featured in the Salon, and the documents came up again in a more recent discussion here.

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by DoDo on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 03:44:54 PM EST
[ Parent ]
At the same time, we're seeing a possibly concerted PR push in France: articles, subjects on TV news,... all showing how shale gas has ignited a real "industrial renaissance" in the USA with spanking new steel factories being build (did we mention jobs?). To no avail so far: the Hollande government has resisted any move on the existing ban.

Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Sun Oct 21st, 2012 at 03:54:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]
What impressed me is how the US economy gets all the benefit (cheap energy, industrial resurgence) while handing a large share of the losses to international investors. Total, Shell etc. got saddled with multi-billion dollar losses. Not that I'm weeping for them... but it's a very real subsidy to the USA.

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by eurogreen on Mon Oct 22nd, 2012 at 11:21:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 LIVING ON THE PLANET 
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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:14:10 PM EST
Penis problem: A Vienna museum covers up | Art & Architecture | DW.DE | 19.10.2012

Naked penises are a bit too much for Vienna residents. Placards promoting a major exhibition on the male nude in art history caused such a stir in the Austrian capital that the critical parts have been covered up.

Vienna's Leopold Museum has denied that it was out to shock the city when it chose a full-frontal photo montage of three footballers by French artists Pierre & Gilles to draw crowds to its major exhibition "Nude Men - From 1800 to Today," which opens Friday, October 19.

But it has shocked the conservative Austrian capital, which casts a hint of doubt on the museum's true intentions. Whatever the merits of the exhibition - and there are many - the appendages on placards around the city have garnered publicity that can't be bought. Even the obscuring of the three penises with a red band has only brought extra attention.

No, Vienna is NOT conservative, certainly not compared to the rest of Austria. I have noted the libertine style of Austrian billboards before; but it seems there are still limits.

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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:14:19 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Exhibition in Switzerland Explores Ancient Nabataean City of Petra - SPIEGEL ONLINE
The ruins of the ancient city of Petra lay hidden until 1812, when a Swiss explorer stumbled upon them in modern-day Jordan. Two centuries later, a new exhibition in Basel brings together some 150 artifacts that shed light on how this mysterious culture of spice traders carved a luxurious oasis into the rocks of the desert.


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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:14:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Weimar Exhibition Explores Legacy of Ignored East German Art - SPIEGEL ONLINE
East German art is a little loved chapter of art history. But from the first room of a new exhibit at the Neues Museum in Weimar, Germany, it's clear that the intention is to prove that this low opinion was a misunderstanding, and in fact things in the German Democratic Republic (GDR) were very different than what those from West Germany have always claimed.

...It could well become one of the most important exhibitions of the year, thanks to the great effort it puts into attempting to reevaluate the controversial legacy of East German art. The central thesis presented by the exhibition's curators is that within just a few decades, the initial spirit of optimism in the GDR transformed into a kind of melancholy over the loss of the utopian ideal that had bound the country together -- and that art in particular addresses this failure in a recognizable way. In fact, the curators suggest, artists even played their part in chipping away at the system.



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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:14:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Rabobank ends sponsorship over concerns cycling is not 'clean and fair' | Sport | guardian.co.uk

The Dutch banking group Rabobank is to pull out of the sport in the wake of the Lance Armstrong doping revelations after almost 30 years of continuous involvement, saying it is "no longer convinced" professional cycling can be realistically viewed as clean.

The surprise announcement will see Rabobank's distinctive orange and blue jerseys disappear from its men's and women's professional teams at the end of the year, though the financial support, worth more than £12m a year, will continue for a period.



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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:14:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]
DoDo:
"no longer convinced" professional cycling can be realistically viewed as clean.

Oh, the delicacy! The fresh innocence! Rabobank always believed cycle racing was clean!

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 02:47:42 AM EST
[ Parent ]
And the bikers believed the same about banking.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:03:07 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Though I note in passing more cyclists seem to have suffered real consequences for cheating than bankers.

And arguably we contribute far more to society.

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by redstar on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 01:12:23 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Extreme Global Warming May Have Caused Largest Extinction Ever | LiveScience

Feverishly hot ocean surface waters potentially reaching more than 104 degrees Fahrenheit (40 degrees Celsius) may have helped cause the greatest mass extinction in Earth's history, researchers say.

"We may have found the hottest time the world has ever had," researcher Paul Wignall, a geologist at the University of Leeds in England, told LiveScience.

The mass extinction at the end of the Permian Era about 250 million years ago was the greatest die-off in Earth's history. The cataclysm killed as much as 95 percent of the planet's species. One key factor behind this disaster was probably catastrophic volcanic activity in what is now Siberia that spewed out as much as 2.7 million square miles (7 million square kilometers) of lava, an area nearly as large as Australia. These eruptions might have released gases that damaged Earth's protective ozone layer.



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by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:14:59 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Lamarck and the Missing Lnc | The Scientist Magazine®

Rudyard Kipling's Just So Stories tell tales not so much of evolution, but of the magic and wonder of the animal world. He describes the wizard who gave the camel a hump for its laziness, and the alligator who snapped and stretched the nose of a naïve young elephant to its current lengthy proportion. Those delightful fables, published some 70 years after Jean-Baptiste Lamarck's death, provide entertaining explanations for such evolved traits, and were clearly inspired by Lamarck's description of adaptive change, not Charles Darwin's. In his 1809 publication Philosophie Zoologique, Lamarck wrote of the giraffe, from whose habit of reaching for the green leaves of tall trees "it has resulted . . . that the animal's forelegs have become longer than its hind legs, and that its neck is lengthened to such a degree that the giraffe, without rearing up on its hind legs . . . attains a height of six meters."

Although biologists have generally considered Lamarck's ideas to contain as much truth as Kipling's fables, the burgeoning field of epigenetics has made some of us reconsider our ridicule. While no biologist believes that organisms can willfully change their physiology in response to their environment and pass those changes on to their offspring, some evidence suggests that the environment can make lasting changes to the genome via epigenetic mechanisms--changes that may be passed on to future generations. Epigenetics: genome gatekeeper


Epigenetic changes can range from chemical modifications of histone proteins--such as acetylation and methylation--to modifications made to the DNA itself. Such changes usually cause chromatin compaction, which limits the ability of the RNA polymerase II transcription complex to access DNA, ultimately resulting in reduced messenger RNA (mRNA) and protein output. Many view epigenetics as an annotation or editing of the genome that defines which genes will be silenced in order to streamline protein production or squelch unnecessary redundancy. That annotation, they say, does not and cannot permanently change the original manuscript (i.e., DNA), but merely access to the manuscript.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 05:31:12 AM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:15:10 PM EST
George Clooney called as witness in Silvio Berlusconi trial | Film | guardian.co.uk

George Clooney has been called as a witness in Silvio's Berlusconi's trial in Milan for paying an underage prostitute for sex.

Berlusconi is accused of paying cash and jewels to Karima el-Mahroug, the dancer known as Ruby the Heartstealer when she attended his so-called "Bunga Bunga" parties in 2010, aged 17.

Mahroug has denied she slept with Berlusconi, but has told prosecutors of risqué scenes at Berlusconi's mansion outside Milan. She also claimed she saw Clooney at one of the parties.

The actor has previously denied being present and has been called to appear next Friday as a witness by the former prime minister's lawyers in an attempt to discredit Mahroug.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:15:18 PM EST
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Eight crazy things Americans believe about foreign affairs - Americas - World - The Independent
As the Washington Post's Dylan Matthews explained last month, the baffling fact that 15 per cent of Ohio Republicans believe Mitt Romney deserves more credit than Barack Obama for killing Osama bin Laden may have as much to do with polling psychology and sampling error as with self-delusion or ignorance. But here are some other statistics that may surprise you:

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* 73 per cent of Americans could not identify communism as America's main concern during the Cold War, according to Newsweek, which administered an official citizenship test in 2011.

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* Nearly 25 per cent of Americans don't know that the United States declared its independence from Great Britain, according to a 2011 Marist poll.

* 71 per cent of Americans believe Iran already has nuclear weapons, according to a 2010 CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll (Israel, the United States, and the International Atomic Energy Agency would beg to differ).



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:15:27 PM EST
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Americans increasingly believe in global warming, Yale report says - latimes.com

For the first time since the United States entered a deep recession five years ago, 70% of Americans now say they believe global warming is a reality, according to researchers.

In a report released Thursday by the Yale Project on Climate Change Communication, authors wrote that America's concern about global warming is now at its highest level since 2008, and that 58% of Americans expressed worries about it.

...American attitudes on climate change shifted remarkably during the recession. While 71% of Americans said they believed that global warming was real just prior to the recession in late 2008, the number of believers had plummeted to 57% by 2010, according to the study. By the same token, the share of Americans who did not believe in global warming before the recession stood at 10%, whereas today its 12%.

As if the recession had been the main factor... rather than a concerted campaign focused on Climategate.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 02:15:38 PM EST
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Hope you all notice some of DoDo's brilliant juxtapositions interspersed with the markers of this "civilization."

Danke.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Oct 19th, 2012 at 04:32:27 PM EST
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Lagerfeld draws flak for calling French president an `idiot' | The Raw Story

Fashion designer Karl Lagerfeld was in hot water on Friday after calling French President Francois Hollande an "idiot" over his plans to impose huge taxes on the rich.

Hollande's former companion and a one-time presidential contender Segolene Royal led the charge, saying the Paris-based German designer must apologise immediately.

"There is no place for insults, especially from a designer who benefits from the image and prestige of France," Royal said on RTL radio.

"When one is working in the French luxury sector, one enjoys the collective backing of the entire nation and these insults are absolutely misplaced," she said.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 03:59:19 AM EST
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Fashion designer Karl Lagerfel -- a fashion designer?! We're listening to the opinion of a fashion designer?! OK, now let's have the hookers weigh in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 08:24:24 AM EST
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The Uncanny Valley: What Robot Theory Tells Us About Mitt Romney - Brian Fung - The Atlantic

If the past year's media coverage of Romney tells us anything, it's that the electorate is attempting to reconcile conflicting impressions of the man. Romney is defined by two, now-familiar narratives. One focuses on the candidate's naturally presidential demeanor. The other examines his decidedly unnatural comportment in the presence of ordinary people. For the most part, Team Romney has successfully ignored the tension arising from these contradictory signals. But the style problem is one they'll have to face sooner or later -- particularly if Romney wins the GOP nomination, as he trails Obama on likeability and in fact tends to become less liked the more exposure he gets.

How a candidate of Romney's pedigree could cut such an unsympathetic figure has become a minor obsession in the media. Explanations range from his association with the corporate one percent to his willingness to contradict himself on key issues. All these are true, but the underlying dynamic governing our reaction to his controversial affiliations and positions is a completely natural psychological response to competing stimuli -- one that's best summed up with a technological metaphor.

In robotics, researchers have observed that as an object acquires human-like properties, people respond to the object with more positive feelings. The less anthropomorphized an object, the less empathy. What's cognitively demanding about this formulation is that engineers are beginning to create robots that approximate human behavior so closely that the mind interprets the robot in human terms even if the machine lacks distinguishing anthropomorphic features, like a face. The result is an unsettling feeling that borders on anxiety or revulsion. When a robot inspires such emotions, it's said to have fallen into the uncanny valley of a conceptual graph that charts fluctuations in our empathetic capacity.



It's a fine line between homage, parody, and consumer opportunism. Jess Walter
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Oct 20th, 2012 at 04:07:23 AM EST
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