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by afew Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 12:35:19 PM EST

If it feels like winter's coming, just think antipodes


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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 12:36:04 PM EST

You Are Old, Father William - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"You are old, Father William," the young man said,
"And your hair has become very white;
And yet you incessantly stand on your head--
Do you think, at your age, it is right?"

"In my youth," Father William replied to his son,
"I feared it might injure the brain;
But now that I'm perfectly sure I have none,
Why, I do it again and again."
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 12:41:20 PM EST
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This is not what you think it is from the cover still, but i'm not going to tell you. We reserve the right to disassociate ourselves from the chainsaw.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 01:22:14 PM EST
San Francisco burns to the ground

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 01:59:38 PM EST
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Meanwhile in global baseball...

The Jiangsu Hope Stars tasted first victory for Chinese teams on Friday, at the Cross-Strait Baseball Challenge tourney taking place in Taipei City this past week. This  annual tournament is a joint effort for baseball development and exchange between China and Chinese Taipei. It is organized by CTBA of Chinese Taipei, and CBL (Chinese Baseball League) of China. For the adult baseball division, four teams from China are challenging four Taiwanese teams.

http://www.ibaf.org/en/

by asdf on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 03:58:13 PM EST
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Two points.

the animation actually isn't funny at all, nor technically good.

2nd, the "riots" in san fran aren't related to baseball fans at all. it's related to people's struggles, or gangbangers fucking up the system, or, or, or.

and half the reports on twitter never happened. Don't all it Frisco had real riots before, such as when Dan White and Mayor George Moscone were gunned down.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 05:56:01 PM EST
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Yes, winter's coming, the first dead homeless person this year in Paris was found the other day.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 01:35:12 PM EST
It's not like no homeless people die in the street in the summer, but at those times the press ignores them...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 06:26:21 PM EST
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Sandy and climate change:

"The truth is, we experience more Atlantic severe storms because of global warming, though we are still working out the details of which features of which kinds of storms are affected most. Beyond this, it may well also be possible that something I hinted at above is true: We may be experiencing kinds of storms today that were very rare in recent centuries, because of global warming.

In any event, there's more. From the paper:

'We detect a statistically significant increasing trend in the number of moderately large surge index events since 1923. We estimate that warm years have been associated with twice as many Katrina-magnitude events compared with cold years in the global average surface temperature record.' "

http://scienceblogs.com/gregladen/2012/10/28/what-you-need-to-know-about-frankestorm-hurricane-sandy /

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.

by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 01:36:35 PM EST
And if all this is not enough, today is full moon, meaning spring tides.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 01:59:36 PM EST
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DailyKos and Sandy

The Daily Kos servers live in New York City. Any major outages in that city could cause Daily Kos to go down

Any disruption to the telecomms network in the NE region is gonna hurt them, and a week before the election too. Poor contingency planning

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 02:02:57 PM EST
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Which reminds me, is ET still on Booman's servers in the same area ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 02:03:56 PM EST
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Somewhere in Virginia, I think.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 03:17:48 PM EST
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Daily Kos: Daily Kos and Sandy
We have our own Plan B's, but let's hope it never gets to that.


Europeans think a hundred miles is a long way. Americans think a hundred years is a long time.
by Bernard on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 03:29:18 PM EST
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looks like they didn't work: Kos is down

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 03:47:49 AM EST
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And back up.

Dunno if they're on their original servers (unlikely, they admit the basement where the fuels pumps are is flooded - wha ?????) or on their backup site with reduced service. My search took a time to find them, so I suspect they're elsewhere

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 08:07:16 AM EST
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Sandy picked up energy when it cross the abnormally warm Gulf Stream and is picking up energy as it moves along a cold/warm front.  Generally it's hard to point to a weather event and conclude it is the result of Global Warming.  Think there is a good case for using Sandy as such.

Nomad might disagree.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere

by ATinNM on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 02:47:25 PM EST
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With climate change, it's not about what you or I think about one or two occurrences of a particular weather phenomenon, but what significant changes can be perceived from data on weather phenomena during 30-years periods at minimum.

Without looking, I'm fairly confident to say that Sandy won't even come close to change the signal. There have been plenty of Atlantic autumn hurricanes since recording began, and worse ones at that.

That climate science runs counterpoint to today's media consumption patterns and/or political momentum of people, is merely my loss.

by Nomad on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 07:23:11 PM EST
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Mitt Romney In GOP Debate: Shut Down Federal Disaster Agency, Send Responsibility To The States

During a CNN debate at the height of the GOP primary, Mitt Romney was asked, in the context of the Joplin disaster and FEMA's cash crunch, whether the agency should be shuttered so that states can individually take over responsibility for disaster response.

"Absolutely," he said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"

"Including disaster relief, though?" debate moderator John King asked Romney.

"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."



A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 04:01:49 PM EST
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Some people honestly think that disasters are best sorted by having insurance at state or even municipal level and that'd sort out all contingencies.

But then again, theirs is a country that allows buildings with no insurance to burn down, so what do I know ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 04:59:09 PM EST
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I think a version of this was posted on ET in the past, but just in case...


http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2012/03/extremely-hot/

by asdf on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 04:06:48 PM EST
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ooooooo .... Graph C ... rms speeds for gas molecules as a function of temperature. Cool ... we nerds will have our day. Not as funny as the kid who's being tried for putting a bullet through his Neo-Nazi Dad's head (yes, dad died) but what the hell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 05:22:16 PM EST
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You can listen to the ham radio network related to Sandy. It's a Skywarn net associated with the National Hurricane Center. Its a raw feed, not edited for easy to understand...

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=9559

by asdf on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 05:22:32 PM EST
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Actually a much more interesting feed is the NYC fire department. Hospitals without oxygen or generator fuel, electrical fires in flooded basements, stranded relieve workers--all in the past five minutes alone...

http://www.radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=9358

by asdf on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 11:24:13 PM EST
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Despite the lovely anecdote, Laden is not up to date with the scientific consensus when it comes to tropical cyclones and climate change when he writes sentences like: "The truth is, we experience more Atlantic severe storms because of global warming, though we are still working out the details of which features of which kinds of storms are affected most. Beyond this, it may well also be possible that something I hinted at above is true: We may be experiencing kinds of storms today that were very rare in recent centuries, because of global warming."

Laden can't write that based on the Grinsted paper, because that data goes only back to 1923. And there is certainly no agreement yet that 'we experience more Atlantic severe storms because of global warming'.

The truth is, we might. We actually don't know.

I refer you to this Nature paper from 2010, about which I wrote in this diary. And there is SREX (pdf, 31 MB), which writes, amongst many other subjects:


The uncertainties in the historical tropical cyclone records, the incomplete understanding of the physical mechanisms linking tropical cyclone metrics to climate change, and the degree of tropical cyclone variability provide
only low confidence for the attribution of any detectable changes in tropical cyclone activity to anthropogenic influences. Attribution of single extreme events to anthropogenic climate change is challenging.

As for the recent Grinsted paper, a copy of the whole paper here for the avid readers, its findings agree with model projections of increased larger storms with rising temperatures, but runs exactly counter with other findings. Interesting study, yes, but it will hardly have the final word on this topic.

by Nomad on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 08:35:56 PM EST
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Can believe teh stupid ?? Somebody took a large sailing ship out off the Carolinas !!!!

Orange - Update:Reported sunk-HMS Bounty taking on water and lacks propulsion

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 01:58:30 PM EST
Sunk and two people missing according latest news reports.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 02:56:23 PM EST
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Speaking of stupid, Brigatine Island off the coast of New Jersey was supposed to be evacuated but only 30% of the inhabitants got off.  Now the island is flooded and ~7,500 are trapped.

Ever since I learnt about confirmation bias I've started seeing it everywhere
by ATinNM on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 03:06:23 PM EST
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Talking about ilands:

Rikers Island - Salon.com

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg tellingly misinterpreted a reporter's question during a pre-Sandy press conference Sunday. When asked about what would happen on Rikers Island -- New York's main prison complex -  during the storm, Bloomberg responded, "Jails are secure ... Don't worry about anyone getting out."

He did not consider that the journalist was in fact asking about the well-being of the near 17,000-strong inmate population, incarcerated on water-locked landfill.

Last summer, when Hurricane Irene threatened the city, the discovery that there was no evacuation plan in place for Rikers evoked outrage from civil rights and prisoner advocates. All of New York's other surrounding small islands were listed as possible evacuation zones ahead of Irene (which brought the city none of the damage promised by Sandy), but Rikers was not listed in evacuation plans at all.

This time, as Sandy arrives, evacuation zone maps show Rikers Island surrounded by areas colored brightly, marking risk zones B and C, but the little island itself is left grey and blank (see image below, via New York Times interactive map):

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 03:25:09 PM EST
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It was 40F here in my little corner of Florida while a hurricane is about to hit New York.

May need to re-think this whole Mayan apocalypse thing.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 02:46:10 PM EST
apparently, when you lift the last flap on the Mayan advent calendar you get a picture of Obama being re-elected

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 02:55:33 PM EST
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After watching All The President's Men in German (ARTE), switched to german network ARD. They showed a german videographer's film of the last two weeks in Aleppo and Damascus.

Horrifyingly graphic, just as the news came to me that one of Bremen's most famous cargo fleet owners will be indicted for arms smuggling to Darfur and Myanmar.

Somehow i was making connections.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 06:12:38 PM EST
"Somehow i was making connections"

You shouldn't. It's subversive and so.

by Katrin on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 06:26:23 PM EST
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Brad DeLong: INEQUALITY: LIVING IN THE SECOND GILDED AGE (October 28, 2012)
The shift of economic focus into sectors that do not add but subtract value: 3 percent of the American economy today is excessive private health care administrative costs, which produces nothing useful but transfers money away from insurance customers and doctors whose bills are not paid to insurance companies that do not pay them. Some 4 percentof the American economy today is excessive financial services: less-informed savers and borrowers who should not be buying or selling sophisticated financial products they do not understand losing their money to those better able to judge risks and values.


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 06:45:11 PM EST


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 06:45:31 PM EST
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the big boys won't let him play.

Nick Clegg attacks Philip Hammond for 'jumping the gun' on Trident | Politics | The Guardian

Nick Clegg has accused the defence secretary, Philip Hammond, of "jumping the gun" on Trident as Hammond visited Faslane to announce a further £350m investment to underline his support for a fresh generation of British nuclear-armed submarines.

Liberal Democrats are angered at the way in which Hammond appears to be ruling out any other option but full renewal of the current continuous-at-sea deterrent.

A final decision is due to be by government made in 2016, but the coalition agreement sets out plans for a Lib Dem-led government study, based in the Cabinet Office, into alternatives.

An angry Clegg said: "The coalition agreement is crystal clear: it stands, it will not be changed, it will not be undermined, it will not be contradicted. The decision on the Trident replacement will not be taken until 2016, however much other people may not like it that way.



It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Mon Oct 29th, 2012 at 06:47:19 PM EST
He kinda has a point that decisions of this nature should be taken by Cabinet, and if he has that written into the coalition agreement then Hammond is definitely wrong to jump the gun on such a contentious decision.

But I doubt Hammond did it without Cameron's say so, and that means Dave is sending a message "you wanna force an election ? Go ahead, you'll suffer far more than I will"

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 03:45:36 AM EST
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he kinda has a point... the Conservatives are shitbags, and his coalition agreement is their toilet paper.

But his hissy fit just demonstrates his impotence, and he doesn't have a principled position to defend. Junior coalition partner with a hegemonic party doesn't often end well, especially if you have no policy successes at the end of the term.

"You'll suffer more than I will"? That's risky; Nick has his finger on the nuclear button, after all : push him too far, and it's mutually-assured destruction.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 04:46:49 AM EST
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Exactly, which is why Dave knows Nicky won't do it. So, by authorizing trident to go ahead he's putting Clegg in his box.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 04:57:28 AM EST
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Looks like tony's going to restart his run for European president, Wheres the link to the petition?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 07:44:41 AM EST
Fortunately, however much he imagines otherwise, I think his reputation is far too damaged for this attempt to fly.

Still, no harm in helping him down the chute into inconsequence

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 08:05:05 AM EST
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"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Oct 30th, 2012 at 08:26:34 AM EST


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