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by dvx Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:24:22 PM EST

Where did the week go?


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And how did the weekend get here so fast?

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman
by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:30:15 PM EST
probably on the wings of the rain clouds now hanging over us.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:40:05 PM EST
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Same way it came so fast SO many weeks before.

'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
by Wife of Bath (kareninaustin at g mail dot com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 04:13:14 PM EST
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Mass rally in Venice to call for independence from Italy - Telegraph

Inspired by the nationalist aspirations of Scotland and Catalonia, pro-independence campaigners will hold a mass rally in the heart of the lagoon city today (sat), calling for an urgent referendum to be held on the issue.

Indipendenza Veneta, a newly-founded pro-independence movement, says it expects several thousand people to turn up for the rally.

They will be ferried across the Grand Canal in gondolas to deliver a "declaration of independence" to the headquarters of the Veneto regional government.

It may sound fanciful, and it will be fiercely resisted by Rome, but activists want to carve out a new country in north-eastern Italy which would comprise Venice, the surrounding region of Veneto and parts of Lombardy, Trentino and Friuli-Venezia Giulia.

The "Repubblica Veneta", as it would be known, would encompass about five million people.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:42:45 PM EST
Let it come to the Empire ... can't be soon enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 07:03:42 PM EST
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What about Dalmatia and Cyprus? Did they forget about them?

Meanwhile, back in the real world, Cortina d'Ampezzo is trying to move from Veneto to Alto Adige, maybe so they can get away from this nonsense.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Oct 6th, 2012 at 05:36:28 AM EST
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I don't know why but my ankle has flared up in the last couple of days.

It's always been grumpy since I broke it 20 years ago, but every now and again a couple of tendons will take it upon themselves to scream blue murder about some imagined insult. Normally I can walk it off if i need to, but this time it's not shifting.

It's a nuisance cos I'm unfit as it is and this is making me even less liable to move

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:44:26 PM EST
I have observed that my knee flares up when the weather changes - amazing, as I never was aware of weather change before. But even when it hurts I find that gentle movements help, even if the pain goes not away instantenuosly. Also what I find helpful are castor oil packs for any kind of joint pains.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:54:51 PM EST
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That is certainly true for my knees, but this is an inflammation of the tendons and can, sadly, strike me at any time. It may be that the onset of autumn has been the cause but I've never noticed a relationship between my ankle and the weather before.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:59:03 PM EST
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I've never been as cold in winter in Finland as I was in England. Indoors or out. Of course, Finland is designed for winter - double or triple glazing, good insulation, pre-heating for cars and so on, but it's the dry air that makes cold bearable. I've only experienced that British 'frozen to the bone' sensation of my youth once here - when filming outdoors all 'day' in a Lapland Spring at about -20 C. The Chill Factor made it worse. Even a Siberian roustabout's one piece rig suit was not enough. One Star Jallu can help to keep the blood from crystallizing, but the amount required tends to affect mobility, thought and responsibility.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Sat Oct 6th, 2012 at 11:05:58 AM EST
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Caster oil packs are wonderful!  
by ElaineinNM on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 03:09:51 PM EST
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Know the feeling kiddo. My bad back ... a pain in the ass. I've decided to take this semester off from tutoring (too much sitting) and get back to regular walking. I've got 16 more weeks to get my walking act together before the start of Spring term. A little improvement every day and I should get there but it takes patience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wp4O7v5320
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 07:10:29 PM EST
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Tomb of Maya 'snake' Queen discovered in Guatemala - Telegraph

A team of US and Guatemalan experts led by anthropologist David Freidel found a stone jar at a burial chamber in the royal Maya city of El Peru-Waka that led them to believe it is the burial site of Lady K'abel, considered to be the military governor of an ancient Maya city during the 7th century.

Hieroglyphs on the back of the alabaster jar denote the names Lady Snake Lord and Lady Water Lily.

As well as the jar, which was carved in the shape of a conch shell with the shape of an old woman protruding from the front, the team found other evidence, such as ceramic vessels, jade jewellery, thousands of obsidian blades and a large stone with carvings referring to Lady K'abel. The items were buried with the body - presumably as offerings.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:47:04 PM EST
For obvious reasons

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:48:46 PM EST
Or even more obvious reasons

Listening to this, who could have believed this was the catalyst for changing the whole world

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:50:26 PM EST
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God they are terrible.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 01:29:03 PM EST
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Hey you kids, get off my lawn

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 01:30:58 PM EST
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Some other things released 50 years ago today have aged less well. The Bond franchise has shown itself remarkably adept at renewing itself every few years, but this film was surely shockingly out of date in its attitudes even then



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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 12:57:02 PM EST
Have you seen the Heineken beer placement marketing for the new Bond movie? Best advert for rail travel in a long time--I wish trains were actually like this!

http://www.heineken.com/us/jamesbond/start/crack-the-case.aspx

by asdf on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 10:36:48 PM EST
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Autumn ales: the season of fresh hops | Life and style | guardian.co.uk

When the annual hop harvest comes, it brings with it a four week window of opportunity for brewers to make the ultimate seasonal beer.

As perennial plants, hops return every spring and are harvested at the end of summer in both hemispheres - they give beer the quenching bitterness and appealing aroma which makes us go back for another gulp. Freshly picked hops start to deteriorate in quality and flavour as soon as they are stripped from the bine, so they're usually taken directly from field to kiln to be dried and then packed. The drying process is essential to ensure the hops last a full year, but in the process volatile oils which otherwise contribute towards the beer's taste and aroma are lost. This is where there's a chance to make a unique seasonal drink: green-hopped beers, also known as wet- or fresh-hopped, take hops fresh from the bine and straight into the brewhouse, bypassing the kiln.

The flavours in freshly picked hops are very different from those in dried hops: the grassy, delicate citrus notes in fresh hops turn pungent and intense when they're dried. It's like the difference between a freshly-picked apple or tomato and one that's been roasted or dried. Speed is crucial when brewing a green-hopped beer and the hops need to get from field to brewery in the shortest time possible to capture all of those delicate volatile oils before they begin to oxidise. The joy of a green-hopped beer is in the aroma and flavour which captures an elemental essence of late summer, an evocative grassy kind of spiciness that hangs in the air.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 01:31:15 PM EST
I've been fortunate to have had a couple of green hopped beers already. Extremely pleasant, the hop characteristic is different, more present rather than just more intense.

I'm at a festival tomorrow and am hoping to see a couple more :-))

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 01:42:18 PM EST
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The northern section of the WA State Legislative District in which I am campaigning produces the majority of the hops crop in the U.S. I know three local brewers and will ask them if they're interested.

It hit freezing temperature on Wednesday morning there. I wonder if that changes the hops character.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 01:56:01 PM EST
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Dunno. I can't imagine it does them any good.

And how are things going in your campaign ? Well we hope

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 02:07:46 PM EST
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I'm having much more fun with it than 2010. I developed my message then, and I am much more 'accomplished' in presentation now.

I was at the Central WA State Fair in Yakima for parts of 5 days, and we definitely had a degree of approval that was surprising to some of the Party regulars from the area. Since then, I've been at several fora where individuals have told me that they have been Republicans for years, but are voting for Democrats in general, or me in particular, now.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 03:40:46 PM EST
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Excellent news, wishing you all the best for election day. Don't be a stranger and let us know how things go.

ps i might have a request in the new year after I've done my course

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 04:03:31 PM EST
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Norway gives 14 weeks paid parental leave to dads | The Raw Story

Norway is to extend the amount of parental leave reserved for dads to 14 weeks, bringing the period that can be claimed by both parents on full pay to 49 weeks, a coalition member party said on Friday.

The Scandinavian country's system is already one of the world's most generous.

The move would come into effect on July 1, 2013 and is part of the Norwegian government's budget proposal that will be presented on Monday. It was revealed to tabloid Verdens Gang (VG) by Audun Lysbakken, head of the Socialist Left Party, which is a member of the country's ruling centre-left coalition.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 02:11:04 PM EST
Just 49 weeks? That's hardly any time at all!

Parental leave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Sweden: 480 days (16 months) (77.6% (80% of 97%) up to a ceiling the first 390 days, 90 days at flat rate) - shared with father (dedicated 60 days)


A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 02:46:26 PM EST
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Forbes: Why Government Should Not Be Run Like A Business (10/05/2012)
The idea that government should be run like a business is a popular one with both Republicans and, albeit to a lesser extent, Democrats. But this betrays a basic misunderstanding of the roles of the private and public sector. We should no more want the government to be run like a business than a business to be run like the government.

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But while we might all grant that there are exceptions, the general question still stands: does it make sense to run government like a business? The short answer is no. Bear in mind, first, that "efficiency" in the private sector means profit. Hence, to ask that the government be run like a business is tantamount to asking that the government turn a profit. The problem in a nutshell, is that not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable. Reality TV, pornography, fashion, sports, and gambling are all of questionable social value, but each is quite profitable and exists in the private sector. Meanwhile, few would argue that the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, Coast Guard, police department, fire department, libraries, parks, and public schools are of no social value, and yet they could not exist if they were required to be profitable. Imagine maintaining a standing military by selling subscriptions door-to-door: "Hello, my name is Captain Johnson, and I represent the US Army. Are you afraid of foreigners? Would you like guaranteed protection against invasion, pillaging, enslavement, and more? Please see our brochure for our three levels of service." There would, of course, be a few subscribers, but nothing approaching the level necessary to truly protect the United States from attack.

To reiterate, the key issue is this: not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable. The proper role of government is the latter. Those arguing for a business model for government must necessarily be ready to shut down all government functions that do not earn a profit, regardless of their contribution to our well being. And, if the public sector is being run properly, that should mean every single one. If it's profitable, they shouldn't have been doing it in the first place. There is no need for the government to start a chain of hamburger stands, hardware stores, or coffee shops. Rather, they run child protective services, the National Park Service, and the Air Force. Profit is the realm of business, while unprofitable but socially useful tasks is the responsibility of government.

Wow, socialism!

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 03:41:59 PM EST
Define the boundary.

Are energy/transport/phone service necessary infrastructure that should be government run as enabling services to other enterprises ? Or are they profit centres ?

Is coal ? Is oil ?

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 04:08:27 PM EST
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Look, after going on 35 years of Reagan/Thatcher I'm not going to nitpick when Forbes (of all publications) prints not everything that is profitable is of social value and not everything of social value is profitable.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 04:12:37 PM EST
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LOL, yea ok, I'll give you that.

Little baby steps. Bless

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 04:14:28 PM EST
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how does one define the threshold? For me, anything that can be viewed as a 'commodity' - near-monopoly production/distribution systems, undifferentiated product, and an interlock with government agencies - should be socialized. That could mean a government-controlled department, a workers' co-op, a consumers' co-op, or several other organizational forms. It includes banking and insurance along with basic steel, basic aluminum, petroleum production, transmission of electricity, wheat, and a lot of other economic categories.

Entrepreneurial capitalism seems to be the best system for innovation, invention, early development, and any kind of economic activity that should be run on a small-scale, distributed model: most food products at least.

Meantime, it seems almost revolutionary for a Forbes' editor to coin such a statement.

paul spencer

by paul spencer (spencerinthegorge AT yahoo DOT com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 05:37:31 PM EST
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So the big story today was the Reps claiming the unexpectedly-good unemployment report in the US was a result of manipulation by the Obama people.

Having spent years working, literally, across the hall from the people who conducted the survey, I spent the day at some median between amused and annoyed.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 05:28:29 PM EST
...adding: And the left is not exempt from this either.  People have pimped bullshit about these statistics for years now -- decades even -- and I'mmore than a little tired of seeing my former colleagues, who work damned hard for a shitload less money than they could pull in the private sector, get treated like shit over it.  And I'm about ready to break somebody's fucking jaw.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Oct 5th, 2012 at 06:19:34 PM EST
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A Tiny Revolution: How Crazy Are Right-Wing Corporate Zillionaires? This Crazy

[A]lone with Colson, Nixon said, "Well, listen, are they all Jews over there?"

"Every one of them," Colson said. "Well, a couple of exceptions."

"See, the Jews are all through the government, and we have got to get in those areas. We've got to get a man in charge who is not Jewish ... The government is full of Jews. Second, most Jews are disloyal...you can't trust the bastards. They turn on you."



Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Sat Oct 6th, 2012 at 05:50:04 AM EST
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Get it off your chest, write a diary.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Oct 6th, 2012 at 05:58:34 AM EST
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Government statistics are always under the threat of the malign influence of the politician's thumb. Certainly in the UK, as you say, honest civil servants work their butts off for low pay to produce the very best information, which is then distorted out of all recognition by the power grubbing peasants who seek momentary advantage from turning everything upside down.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Oct 6th, 2012 at 02:54:25 AM EST
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Do many people really vote based directly on the statistics, or do they vote based on their experiences and those of people they know? In the latter case, the statistics are merely explaining part of the reason why Obama is doing so well in the polls, rather than predicting what will happen during the next month. Of course, if you're a Republican, you've already published "unskewed" polls, so you now have to publish "unskewed" statistics to explain them (and eventually also "unskewed" election results....)
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Oct 6th, 2012 at 06:11:14 AM EST
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Yes, but there is also the tone of the coverage, who is portrayed as a winner and who is portrayed as a loser. Here the reports of the debate is more important then the debate, the reports of the statistics is mroe important then the statistics or the actual facts on the ground.

Though one should not stress to much the importance of the image (which PR people are prone to do, because that is what they are working with), it is clear that it does have an effect.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Oct 6th, 2012 at 07:38:39 AM EST
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