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by DoDo Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:30:13 PM EST

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*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:11:26 PM EST
Policymakers at odds over Greek debt fix | EurActiv
The European Union's top economic official, Olli Rehn, sought to rule out any write-off of Greece's debt to governments on Thursday (15 November) after a European Central Bank policymaker said for the first time that a "haircut" on part of it was probable.

...Rehn, economic and monetary affairs commissioner, told reporters in Helsinki: "The solution will be a combination of various elements, one is not enough."

"But it is essential that the principal not be touched. There is a strict unanimity on this within the eurozone."

Rehn's comment contradicted ECB Governing Council member Luc Coene, who was quoted by a Belgian daily as saying that a partial writedown of Greek debt was likely to happen eventually.

De Standaard said Coene made the comments in a debate with students at Ghent University on Wednesday. He was also quoted as saying Spain should urgently seek a bailout.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:11:37 PM EST
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Bundesbank chief: more Greek debt cuts foreseeable | Business | DW.DE | 16.11.2012
The president of the Germany's central bank, Jens Weidmann said on Friday he could imagine more debt cancellation measures for Greece at the cost of public creditors at a later stage.

Addressing a meeting of top managers organized by the German daily newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung, the Bundesbank chief argued it was primarily a matter of timing.

Weidmann said further debt cancellation would not be about granting Greece "credit of trust." "But we should ask ourselves whether a second haircut could come about after Greece has carried out all necessary reforms."

"Necessary", says who?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:11:46 PM EST
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Greek editor Kostas Vaxevanis faces retrial over 'Lagarde list' revelation | World news | guardian.co.uk

A Greek journalist who published the names of more than 2,000 wealthy Greeks with Swiss bank accounts faces a retrial, barely two weeks after he was acquitted of breaking data privacy laws.

Kostas Vaxevanis was arrested, tried and found not guilty within days of the list's publication. But court officials said on Friday the verdict "lacked credibility". Vaxevanis told the Guardian he was "dumbfounded" at the news, and attributed the move to concerted efforts on the part of the judiciary to silence the press.

"It's absolutely unprecedented. The court has yet to even write up its decision finding me innocent and the prosecutor's office is already ordering a retrial," he said. "They not only acted illegally, resorting to violence when I was arrested last month, they not only ridiculed Greece internationally trying to censor the press, when I am found innocent they want to overturn the judgment, doing whatever they can to get the result that they want."



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:11:55 PM EST
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This is a crucial development because it's telling the population that the rule of law is now at the whim of the Executive and will be used as a weapon against the population.

That is a revolutionary pre-condition

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:34:14 AM EST
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Just telling people what they already know; putting them on notice. We rule, you're nothing. The basic American model.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 10:53:13 AM EST
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I think public prosecutors do appeal verdicts they think are too lenient.

I obviously totally disagree with them in this case.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 01:13:16 PM EST
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Is that even technically a retrial, or an appeal, or what?

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:59:21 AM EST
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Seems like an abuse of process to me

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 06:42:14 AM EST
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Romania threatens to veto EU's long-term budget | EurActiv

Romanian Prime Minister Victor Ponta has threatened to veto the EU's 2014-2020 budget, calling the planned cuts in regional policy and agriculture "unacceptable" for his country.

Ponta made the remarks on Thursday after presenting his government's position on the EU budget to President Traian Băsescu, who will represent Romania at a summit next week dedicated to the EU's long-term finances.

Under the Van Rompuy proposal, first published by EurActiv France on Wednesday (14 November), severe cuts are foreseen in agriculture - a move immediately rejected by Paris - and in cohesion policy, which would certainly antagonise the member states from Central and Eastern Europe.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:12:07 PM EST
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EUobserver.com / Headline News / Van Rompuy: financial tax to form part of EU budget

BRUSSELS - The much vaunted EU financial transaction tax (FTT) is set to be hard-wired into the EU budget, with most of its revenue going directly to the EU.

A paper prepared by EU Council President Herman Van Rompuy and sent to European capitals ahead of next week's EU budget summit, where leaders aim to agree a mandate on the budget framework for 2014-2020, would deduct FTT revenues from national contributions to the annual EU pot.

Van Rompuy put forward his ideas after private talks with EU countries' budget sherpas over the past 10 days.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:12:17 PM EST
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Parliament lists conditions for Borg's approval | EurActiv
EXCLUSIVE / MEPs are due to vote next Wednesday (21 November) on the nomination of Tonio Borg as health and consumer protection commissioner. With three political groups lining up against his appointment, he will be asked to make a series of commitments if he is to get the job, EurActiv has learned.

...The liberal ALDE group agrees that Borg gave a professional performance, but still has strong concerns on his views on homosexuality, divorce, abortion, and the scientific use of tissues and cells.

The Green/EFA group acknowledges that Borg has shown "general competence", but adds to the list of concerns of the liberal group also Borg's positions with regard to minorities.

The leftist GUE/NGL has said that Borg's "conservative views" would be detrimental to a number of EU policies, including employment, social affairs, equal opportunities, common foreign and security policy, and justice and citizen's rights.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:12:51 PM EST
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The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 05:01:29 PM EST
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Saw that the Swedish foreign minister said that the Swedish government opposes Borg but will not vote against him because they lack the votes to stop him.

Well duh, if no one votes against an appointment until they know they have the votes then the votes against will never manifest. Any other governments that hides behind similar arguments?

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 04:45:35 AM EST
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That's two Borgs in the EU already: Sweden's foreign minister and Malta's commissioner.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 04:51:56 AM EST
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EUobserver.com / Defence / Five EU countries call for new military 'structure'

BRUSSELS - Five leading EU countries, but not the UK, have said the Union needs a new military "structure" to manage overseas operations.

The foreign and defence ministers of France, Germany, Italy, Poland and Spain issued the call in a joint communique after a meeting in Paris on Thursday (15 November).

The paper says: "We are convinced that the EU must set up, within a framework yet to-be-defined, true civilian-military structures to plan and conduct missions and operations."

It adds: "We should show preparedness to hold available, train, deploy and sustain in theatre the necessary civilian and military means."


 

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:13:28 PM EST
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EU to launch 'military eBay' for defence equipment | EurActiv

Cash-strapped European Union countries, trying to get the most value out of shrinking defence budgets, will soon be able to sell or swap surplus tanks or fighter jets on a new eBay-style electronic marketplace.

Website eQuip will provide an online shop window for existing military hardware and in future perhaps for equipment from NATO-led operations in Afghanistan, said an official who briefed journalists on condition of anonymity.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:13:36 PM EST
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I want an armed drone! Let's see ... what can I trade? How about tutoring for your kids? Passing science courses and getting A+'s are always cool.

The good news ... it's only a life sentence. You eventually leave this planet of idiots.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 05:05:00 PM EST
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Call your local hobby shop. They can set you up.
by asdf on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 07:48:11 PM EST
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You live in the USA, I'm sure those NRA weapons swap shops have the on sale

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:37:23 AM EST
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Hundreds of Irish women forced to come to Britain for abortions | World news | The Guardian

As campaigners prepared to gather in central Dublin on Saturday for a rally to protest against the death of an Indian woman who was refused a potentially life-saving termination in an Irish hospital, the Abortion Support Network (ASN) gave an insight into the pressures facing women with unwanted pregnancies.

The charity, which issues grants of between £20 to £700 to Irish women seeking terminations, said it had helped 335 women from the Irish Republic over the last three years - including 19 rape victims, 21 with severe health problems and 21 girls under 16. A further six had attempted suicide in the recent past, the group said.

It has also enabled 238 women from Northern Ireland to obtain abortions in England. The region is the only part of the UK where the 1967 Abortion Act does not apply, although the type of emergency termination denied to Savita Halappanavar is available to women with life-threatening conditions in Northern Irish hospitals.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:13:48 PM EST
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This has been happening since abortion was legalised in the UK back in 1967.

Of course, due to the cost, it is really only available to middle and upper class women. However, then again that's the entire point of such laws; they're intended to ensure that poor women know their place and remain trapped there.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:40:56 AM EST
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North Ireland does not have abortions?

In the 60ies there was abortion trips going from Sweden to Poland. Nowadays they go the other way.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 04:50:59 AM EST
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November 16 edition.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 06:00:35 PM EST
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Ron Patz blog: Fortress Europe, Schengen and the European Sphere (17 November 2012)
In the absence of a common language, there is art. In the absence of a common, democratic public sphere there are common narratives that evolve. Schengen becomes politicised. Non-compliant border controls contested. Films are made. Songs are played.


I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 07:08:21 PM EST
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http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=16&nav_id=83189

PM, president: Hague makes political decisions
Source: Beta

BELGRADE -- Serbia's President Tomislav Nikolić and PM Ivica Dačić have assessed after the acquittal of two Croat generals that the Hague Tribunal is "not a court".
Ivica Dačić and Tomislav Nikolić (Tanjug, file)
Ivica Dačić and Tomislav Nikolić (Tanjug, file)

They added that and that the decision was political, rather than legal.

"This confirms claims of those who say that the Hague Tribunal is not a court and that it completes political tasks that were set in advance," Dačić said at the beginning of his meeting with EULEX Head Xavier Bout de Marnhac, Radio Free Europe has reported.
The Serbian president assessed that it was clear that the Tribunal's decision to acquit Croat Generals Ante Gotovina and Mladen Markač of all charges for expulsion of the Serbian population from Knin Krajina in 1995 is political and not legal.  

So generals HEY GENERALS are not guilty but individuals who made exact crimes ( hah and where they are?),,,So why did they then prosecuted Milishevic? Why they are prosecuting Karadzic ? And why Seselj is sitting in jail in Hague for 11 YEARS now?They were civilians not military. Bastards.

by vbo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 09:37:18 PM EST
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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 02:44:04 AM EST
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See here:

The European Union Special Envoy to the Former Yugoslavia Carl Bildt called it on 7 August 1995, "the most efficient ethnic cleansing we've seen in the Balkans."[57] The Croatian Ministry of Foreign Affairs said Bildt's assessment was "unfounded."[58]
 

by vbo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:43:03 AM EST
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by vbo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:43:34 AM EST
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UN Multimedia: ICTY / GOTOVINA AND MARKAÈ ACQUITTAL
The Appeals Chamber unanimously found that the Trial Chamber erred in concluding that all artillery impact sites located more than 200 metres from a target deemed legitimate served as evidence of unlawful attacks against towns in the Krajina region of Croatia.

A majority of the Appeals Chamber further concluded that the Trial Chamber erred in finding that artillery attacks ordered by Gotovina and Markač were unlawful. The majority also held that the Trial Chamber erred in finding the existence of a joint criminal enterprise whose purpose was the permanent and forcible removal of Serb civilians from the Krajina region.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 04:57:29 AM EST
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The most interesting bit of this is
The majority also held that the Trial Chamber erred in finding the existence of a joint criminal enterprise whose purpose was the permanent and forcible removal of Serb civilians from the Krajina region.
Because it essentially denies Operation Storm itself was a "joint criminal enterprise". From Wikipedia: Brijuni talks
On 31 July 1995, a meeting of Croatia's top military and political leadership was held on the island of Brijuni. Tudjman apparently spoke about "blows that will make the Serbs all but disappear, in other words, those we don't reach immediately, must capitulate in the next few days."

The transcript of the meeting later formed the basis of the United Nations war crimes tribunal for the former Yugoslavia's allegation of a joint criminal enterprise found in the indictment against generals Ante Gotovina, Ivan Cermak and Mladen Markac. The prosecution of the ICTY alleged that the content of the meeting was evidence of existence of a joint criminal enterprise to forcibly remove the Serb population from Croatia and prevent their return. According to the prosecution, the Brijuni Transcripts demonstrated a shared intent to forcibly remove Serbs from the area through means such as shelling, destruction, looting, intimidation, and violence, while the defense maintains that Tudjman specifically spoke about rebel Serb military units when he referred to Serbs needing to "all but disappear"

The Croatian Chief State Prosecutor's Office has verified the authenticity of the recording of the Brijuni meeting. Tudjman's words indicate his intent to move the civilian population out of the area while issuing false human rights guarantees.

It is important that these [Serb] civilians start moving and then the army will follow them, and when the columns start moving, they will have a psychological effect on each other.[...] That means we provide them with an exit, while on the other hand we feign to guarantee civilian human rights and the like...

-- Croatian President Franjo Tudjman



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 05:01:05 AM EST
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I can attest to the intent of permanent removal: when I visited the area a few years later, the destroyed (and marked) homes of Serbs were well visible both in the homogeneous villages and in villages where they have been a minority, and acquaintances told how this was done methodically by squads moving from house to house after the war.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 08:20:43 AM EST
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I have not seen it and it is contrary of what I have been told. In the zones from which Serbs fleed after the war, Croats who lost their houses were planted to live. There would be no sense to destroy houses that were not destroyed in the war if you have so manu homeless people living tenporarly in train wagons, hotels and transporting containers. They were bringing not only Croats from Croatia to live in those houses but also Croats who escaped from Bosnia. And now it is a very common problem that they don't know how to legally remove those people who have been living there for 20 years and there are a lot of court processes about it with Serbs who are trying to return to their houses. In this way, Croatia is obligated to give a new house either to the family they would force out or another equivalent property to Serbs who want to come back. I have family friends whose house was destroyed at the very beginning of the war. They went to live in Serbia and years later they claimed their property for their grown up married daughter who was unemployed and without a place to live there. So, wanting to live in Croatia they were given instead a house of some other people who abandoned it in another part of the country. And as you can imagine their integration is very difficult.

Anyway, if you have pure Serbian village, you destroy houses and than you have an empty space. If you plant it with Croats, it becomes a Croat village! What they did destroy are some Orthodox churches since they did not have any use of them.

Similar things were happening in areas occupied by Serbs before the Storm and Flash operations. Serbs were brought from Serbia and Bosnia to live in Croats houses. Some of those people were temporary since they soon figured out that territory is probably not to be preserved. The separating line of the occupied territory  was not peaceful despite the seasefire so they decided to take all they can. In the village 10km from the Serbian border we could see them through binoculars after taking furniture carrying out radiators, than taking out doors and windows and in some houses they even took houses apart to recycle the bricks if they were of good quality putting it to a truck and taking to Serbia.

by SteelLady on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:54:01 PM EST
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In the zones from which Serbs fleed after the war, Croats who lost their houses were planted to live.

These policies were probably complementary, with vacated houses well outnumbering the homeless/refugee settlers. I do remember that the villages around Benkovac looked like this: maybe 20% of the houses inhabited with signs of new construction like brand-new satellite dishes and roofs, and half of the homes ruined. My memory is hazy for the area further north, but I think saw the almost completely empty and ruined ghost villages in the Sveti Rok area (north of the Velebit), or between Korenica and Bunić. An indication of selective destruction were the "SRBE" (sp?) chalk marks on the ruins in villages where only a few houses were destroyed (a specific example I remember was in Novigrad (Zadar County), but it was one among many). An indication of a don't-come-back programmatic destruction was that even some houses vacated long ago in always Croatian-controlled areas were destroyed after Operation Storm, for example on the outskirts of Zadar (where those acquaintances lived who told us about demolition squads).

Similar things were happening in areas occupied by Serbs before the Storm and Flash operations.

One area where I suspect the destruction I saw pre-dated Operation Storm is the hilly terrain directly south of Karlovac. The way I remember it from that first visit after the war, this was another completely deserted area with ruins only, although mostly single farms rather than villages. IIRC this area was not a Serbian-majority area but it was conquered as a strategic position (initially to shell Karlovac). So I wonder if this area was destroyed twice after an interlude of Serbian re-settlement, or destroyed once in 1991.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 06:22:17 AM EST
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Why are we even discussing this?

Carla del Ponte, the original prosecutor, is already on record describing the court as a kangaroo court that is political.

I mean, if your most well-known prosectuor thinks this is the case, you've got trouble.

The UN head of forensic evidence (I don't know if she's still in this position) Helen Ranta, even thinks her work for the UN in investigation mass killings has been corrupted.

by Upstate NY on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 12:47:39 PM EST
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Upstate NY:
Carla del Ponte, the original prosecutor, is already on record describing the court as a kangaroo court that is political.

If that is so, it should be easy to find the record. I may be just tired of all the shit that's flung around re the Balkans, but my Google-Fu has just failed to get hold of it.

Reference?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 01:09:49 PM EST
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I can't find more in-depth stories but at the time of the trial of Naser Oric (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5229926.stm) Del Ponte was livid with the ICTY, and she said they had totally lost Serb support because of this decision in particular. In her book, she went on to describe the machinations behind the scenes that had freed Oric. In that same book, she discussed the complete lack of interest by investigators in human organ-culling houses during the Kosovo war, the evidence for which she cited in her book.

I am not saying at all that del Ponte was a balanced and fair prosecutor. She blamed the Serbs and largely only prosecuted them. Indeed, one might even argue that it was her doing in previous cases on Srebernica that allowed someone like Oric to go free. She is the one who, together with the judges, sidelines 3 UN commanders (Phillipe Morillon of France, Michael Rose of the UK, and Lewis MacKenzie of Canada) who were all going to give testimony regarding Srebrenica. Many of the testimonials dated prior to the Serb massacre of the Muslim men, when the 3 generals (but especially Morillon) sought and received the help from Milosevic to calm the Bosnian Serbs down in the region who were largely responding to the thousands killed by Oric. Morillon was sidelined however (along with the Dutch commander at the time) because his negotiations with Milosevic enabled him to create the safe haven that was later overrun by the Serbs. Milosevic lost control over Mladic in late 2003, shortly before the Srebrenica massacre.

by Upstate NY on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 01:46:30 PM EST
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I am not saying at all that del Ponte was a balanced and fair prosecutor. She blamed the Serbs and largely only prosecuted them.

So, is she trying to compensate?

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:00:58 PM EST
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Great question. But we have to note that she wrote her book after stepping down. Who knows what kind of pressure she was under.
by Upstate NY on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 09:39:05 PM EST
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And why Seselj is sitting in jail in Hague for 11 YEARS now?
That one's easy to answer... From the ICTY indictment
Factual allegations

The Indictment alleges that Vojislav Seselj, as President of the SRS, was a prominent political figure in the SFRY/FRY in the time period relevant to this Indictment. He propagated a policy of uniting "all Serbian lands" in a homogeneous Serbian state. Acting alone and in concert with other members of the joint criminal enterprise, Vojislav Seselj, participated in the recruitment, formation, financing, supply, support and direction of Serbian volunteers connected to the SRS, commonly known as "Chetniks", or "Seseljevci".

He allegedly participated in war propaganda and incitement of hatred towards non-Serb people and instigated his volunteer units and other Serb forces in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina to commit crimes. In public speeches, he called for the expulsion of Croat civilians from parts of the Vojvodina region in Serbia and thus instigated his followers and the local authorities to engage in a persecution campaign against the local Croat population.

According to the Indictment, he also participated in the planning and preparation of the take-over of villages in Eastern and Western Slavonia (in the municipalities of Vukovar and Vocin) in Croatia and in the municipalities of Bosanski Samac and Zvornik in Bosnia and Herzegovina and the subsequent forcible removal of the majority of the non-Serb population from these areas. He allegedly participated in the provision of financial, material, logistical and political support necessary for such take-overs; he obtained this support, with the help of Slobodan Milosevic, from the Serbian authorities and from Serbs living abroad where he collected funds to support the aim of the joint criminal enterprise. He recruited Serbian volunteers connected to the SRS and indoctrinated them with his extreme ethnic rhetoric so that they engaged in the forcible removal of the non-Serb population in the targeted territories through the commission of crimes with particular violence and brutality.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 05:03:56 AM EST
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They were civilians not military.

That is rather the point, because civilians had a political responsibility in initiating and directing the mess of the Yugoslav wars. For commanders of regular armies (as opposed to leaders of paramilitary groups) there's an understanding of what the rules for the conduct of war operations are, and the question boils down to whether they instructed their troops to target civilians, and so on. Politicians making irredentist claims or making inflammatory xenophobic speeches, or setting up irregular militias (which are basically criminal civilian groups) are more not less criminally responsible than leaders of regular military units.

At least that seems to be the thinking. If you do not accept that there's a 'proper' way to wage war and all war is 'improper', then of course all of this is absurd.

I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 05:13:11 AM EST
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Did they personally killed anyone? Evidence, please.
They gave orders like Tudjman gave that order for ethnic cleansing of Serbs. They did clean it properly.Killed thousands of civilians and cleansed Croatia of 250000 Serbs. And according to YOUR court that you are defending here they are not guilty because they did not do it personally , by their own hands ( which is a big ?).Just great.
Oh crap you just made me defend Milosevic and Seselj...
but I am not defending them actually. I just hate YOUR double standards.
And you keep forgetting that it was a civil war...and the fact that YOU recognized and very fast without any checking all those "states" does not make it less civil war. There are rules of war still but they are either applied to all or to no one. That I would call justice.
But God help us of YOUR and UN ( USA service) and NATO justice...
If I am a really mean person I would like you and your country experience same justice...it may happen, who knows...
by vbo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 07:24:33 AM EST
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And according to YOUR court that you are defending

You should really stop with these nationalist assumptions. You didn't even get the court's argument, much less Migeru's argument. If you can't discuss this without emotions taking overhand, better to not discuss it at all.

they are not guilty because they did not do it personally

Nope, that wasn't the court's argument. The court didn't see it proved that the Croatian leadership gave orders for ethnic cleansing. Without knowing the details, this could either mean (1) that the court ignored the prosecution's evidence, or (2) the prosecution did their job badly, or (3) there wasn't enough evidence because the Croatian leadership hid their tracks well, or (4) there wasn't evidence because the ethnic cleansing wasn't directed centrally. (Personally, I suspect a combination of 1 to 3.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 08:29:39 AM EST
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No, none of it happened, they did get proper punishment but it was overturned on appeal ...and that was obviously planed. If you have at list a little honesty in this matter you would realize this, but no, you can't because you are so biased that it is criminal. Serbian crops are nothing to you , just numbers and you cry out loud here for poor Albanians , poor Croatians and poor everybody but not Serbs.
Yes I am overwhelmed with emotions (ALL THE SERBS ARE TODAY) because this is simply criminal how biased western Europeans are. Hypocrites. You are accusing Serbs for excessive force in THEIR civil war and for starting a war , but look what your solders are doing around the globe killing millions and ruining entire countries. How many wars you started recently? Directly or by proxy? Not to mention Americans that excluded conveniently themselves for any possibility to be prosecuted so that they can kill as many children and people as they want. Where are your generals or even solders? No one have seen them in Hague. And you have a face to show and Judge Serbs and excuse everybody else. Shame on you. This was a chance to show your "humanity" and boy you showed it.
But what goes around comes around...that's all I'll tell.
And goodbye!
by vbo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 09:51:17 AM EST
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vbo:
you are so biased

Nothing like as much as you are, vbo.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 09:57:37 AM EST
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Yes I am overwhelmed with emotions

Then take a break, because it helps no one if you don't take the effort to even understand others' arguments and just try to set off a flame war with diffuse nationalist accusations.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 11:56:22 AM EST
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Did they personally killed anyone? Evidence, please.

I presume you're talking about Karadjic and Seselj? No, they didn't personally kill anyone, just like Goebbels.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:07:31 PM EST
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The November 17 commemoration is happening today in Greece.

For those who don't know, over the past 39 years, Greeks have been commemorating the massacre of university students at the Athens Polytechnic University on Nov. 17th, 1973. This year, the commemoration is especially poignant because of the open return in public life of the fascists and Neo-Nazis which plagued Greece in the 1930s, the quislings under German occupiers in the 1940s, the revaunchists of the post-Civil War 1950s, the junta that stripped civil liberties from 1967 to 1974.

For background on the Massacre, click on the second video at the link below, start at minute 38:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/11/the_ghost_of_the_colonels.html

The massacre was a poignant turn in Greek history. Prior to it, a good portion of the Greek population lived in ignorance (not blissful) of the loss of civil liberties and democratic values. Those who opposed the junta but found themselves silenced and unable to resist effectively, gave over to a sense of fait accompli. If you want to see the general air of Greece prior to the events of November 17th, watch the first video in this link, at precisely 7:15:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/2011/11/the_ghost_of_the_colonels.html

You see the tortured expressions of young people asked to speak about the country's political state. The last man in particular is being reined back by his friends who tell him to clam up and say no more.

Greece's projected gov't budget for next year is 51.5 billion. 15 billion of that goes toward servicing the debt which will be over 200% of GDP. There is no credit in the country with which to conduct business. No lending. Less and less currency circulates because the treasury isn't printing. They are in full depression. The social fabric has already frayed. We're seeing a countdown to fascism countenanced somehow by the rest of Europe.

November 17th, 2012 for Greece essentially means that the clock is ticking toward a historical repeat. 1964, the leftist MP Gregoris Lambrakis was murdered by thugs. 3 years later, the military took over.

by Upstate NY on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 12:52:15 PM EST
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Hillsborough police accused of sexually harassing survivor | Football | The Observer

Police officers sexually harassed a vulnerable Hillsborough survivor and threatened others with criminal charges if they did not alter statements, according to fresh allegations into the conduct of the authorities following the tragedy.

One officer pestered a young woman for sex only weeks after the disaster, while other witnesses were reportedly threatened with jail if they did not change accounts that portrayed the police in a negative light.

Speaking publicly for the first time, Diane Lynn, 45, has described how a West Midlands officer grabbed her and repeatedly asked her to come back to his hotel for sex following an official witness interview a few weeks after the disaster that killed 96 people in April 1989.

Lynn, then a 22-year-old student nurse who was suffering from severe shock after witnessing the fatal crush, said she had not come forward previously because she thought no one would believe her. However, the recent findings of the Hillsborough Independent Panel, which exposed the extent of the police cover-up, had persuaded her that her account would be taken seriously.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:02:43 AM EST
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French Alps shootings were probably random attack, says prosecutor | World news | guardian.co.uk

Police investigating the murder of three members of a British family in the French Alps believe it is more likely to have been a random attack than a targeted killing.

The prosecutor Eric Maillaud said there was still no motive for the murders of the Iraqi-born engineer Saad al-Hilli, his wife, Iqbal, her mother, Suhaila al-Allaf, and a French cyclist near Lake Annecy in September.

Police had begun to rule out a feud with Hilli's relatives as a motive and were now focusing on the possibility that the shootings were a random act by a mentally unbalanced killer. Maillaud said the shooter was likely to have a history of deadly violence.

"Without doubt we are looking for someone who has killed before, someone who puts no value on human life," he told the BBC. "We are not sure whether that means it's a professional hit, but if it was done on a contract it was very badly done," he said.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:03:46 AM EST
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French protests against gay marriage - Europe - Al Jazeera English

More than 100,000 people have taken to the streets across France to protest the government plans to approve same-sex marriage and adoption.

Saturday's protest, called the "March for Everyone," included pro-family and Catholic groups. Several thousand people marched in Paris, carrying signs with slogans such as "One child (equals) one father + one mother."

Some 70,000 people joined the Paris rally on Saturday, police said, though organisers put the figure at 200,000, with more than 30,000 others holding similar protests in towns around the country.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:18:07 AM EST
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Lagarde says Greek program should be rooted in reality | Reuters

An agreement among Greece's creditors on how to reduce its large debt pile should be "rooted in reality and not in wishful thinking," the head of the International Monetary Fund said as she heads into a tense meeting with European leaders.

Christine Lagarde, the IMF's managing director, canceled the last leg of her visit to Asia, skipping a Southeast Asian summit in Cambodia, to return to Brussels for a meeting on Tuesday of the Eurogroup on Greece.

To Lagarde, that means countries in the euro zone should send a strong signal they remain committed to Greece by agreeing to reduce the debt Athens owes them.

"I am always trying to be constructive but I am driven by two objectives," she said in an interview, "to build and approve a program for Greece that is solid, that is convincing today, that will be sustainable tomorrow, that is rooted in reality and not in wishful thinking.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:33:01 AM EST
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German Greens go mainstream in bid for power | Reuters

Germany's Greens have gone grey. The world's most successful pro-environment party has turned deadly serious about gaining power by stealing votes from Chancellor Angela Merkel - and perhaps by joining her.

The muesli, woolly sweaters, thick beards and endless debates about abstract issues that were once part of any Greens congress are largely gone. In their place is a more mature party of smartly dressed professionals with one clear aim: getting back into government after federal elections next year.

At their unusually harmonious three-day party congress in Hanover that ended on Sunday, Greens leaders were applauded for hailing their party's "conservative values" and unabashedly trying to appeal to center-right voters, using language that a decade ago would have had them booed off the stage.

Pollsters put support for the Greens at 13 percent, enough if the electoral arithmetic goes their way to make them kingmakers after Germans vote in September, 2013.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:34:10 AM EST
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German Greens go mainstream in bid for power | Reuters
The problem for the Greens is that their preferred partners, the Social Democrats (SPD), are languishing at 30 percent support in opinion polls. This may not be enough for the two parties to win a parliamentary majority and oust Merkel, whose conservatives are polling about 39 percent.

An article about electoral aritmethics that fails to mention any other party then Greens, CDU and SPD. Which leaves the reader in the dark as to why Greens at 13% and SPD at 30% is "not be enough for the two parties to win a parliamentary majority and oust Merkel".

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 10:06:47 AM EST
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B92: Croatia commemorates victims of Vukovar (NOVEMBER 18, 2012)
Croatia's President Ivo Josipović, PM Zoran Milanović and acquitted General Mladen Markač led a procession commemorating victims of Vukovar on Sunday.

Markač and Ante Gotovina were on Friday acquitted of almost all charges for crimes against Serb civilians during the Operation Storm in 1995.

200,000 Serbs were expelled and 2,000 were killed in the operation.

Croatia today marks the Remembrance Day of Vukovar victims and the 21st anniversary of the fall of the city.

...

The conflicts around Vukovar started on August 13, 1991 and the Yugoslav People's Army (JNA) units entered the eastern town of Vukovar on November 18. Between 3,000 and 5,000 people died in the 86 days of conflict, most of them believed to have been civilians.

...

Former Vukovar Mayor Slavko Dokmanović, and former JNA officers Mile Mrkšić and Veselin Šljivančanin have been found guilty of war crimes by the Hague Tribunal.



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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 03:30:34 PM EST
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tPortal: Serbian women's NGO demands Nikolic apologise to Croatians (18.11.2012)
A women's non-governmental organisation in Serbia, "Women in Black", on Sunday demanded that Serbia's president apologise to Croatians and that authorities in Belgrade determine the superior and criminal responsibility of the supreme command of the former Yugoslav People's Army (JNA ) for the crimes committed in Croatia, particularly the destruction of Vukovar.

This NGO also urged Croatian NGOs to enhance efforts so that crimes committed during the "Storm" military operation are investigated and the perpetrators identified and punished, the NGO said in a press release on the occasion of the 21st anniversary of the fall of Vukovar.

...

"We remain committed to the victims of war, regardless of their nationality, race, religion, political affiliation and we feel particular responsibility for the crimes committed in our name. We know that crimes were committed on the other side and all perpetrators deserve the same punishment according to the seriousness of their crimes and all victims deserve empathy and solidarity", the "Women in Black" said.



I distribute. You re-distribute. He gives your hard-earned money to lazy scroungers. -- JakeS
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 03:35:34 PM EST
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 ECONOMY & FINANCE 


*Lunatic*, n.
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by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:14:02 PM EST
European car slump sees no bottom in October | Business News | DW.DE | 16.11.2012

In October, markets in the 27-nation EU shrank 4.8 percent, to a total of 959,400 new cars registered, the European Automobile Manufacturers' Association (ACEA) announced Friday.

The year-on-year decline was lower than in September, ACEA noted, when 10.8 percent fewer cars were sold than in the same month a year ago.

Figures for the first nine months of 2012 showed a drop of 7.3 percent, to 10.3 million cars. Commercial vehicle registrations suffered an even sharper drop, down 10.7 percent over the past nine months, and 13.7 percent in October.

The only car market in Europe reporting sizable sales increases in October was Britain, expanding by 12.1 percent in the month and adding to its 5 percent growth so far in 2012.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:14:10 PM EST
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Gazprom intensifies bid to break into European market | Business | DW.DE | 16.11.2012

German chemical group BASF and Russian energy giant Gazprom have agreed to swap assets of equivalent value, giving the latter direct access to European gas storage facilities. Experts speak of a win-win deal.

Just two days before Friday's meeting in Moscow between German Chancellor Angela Merkel and Russian President Vladimir Putin, Russia's energy monopoly Gazprom and Germany's chemical giant BASF struck a deal on swapping assets of equivalent value. BASF's subsidiary Wintershall will in the future participate in the exploration of natural gas fields in western Siberia. Gazprom will in turn take over the gas trading and storage business which has so far been operated jointly. This will grant the Russian company direct access to western European clients.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:14:25 PM EST
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IPS - U.S. Escalation Against Iran Would Carry High Cost for Global Economy | Inter Press Service

The world economy would bear substantial costs if the United States took steps to significantly escalate the conflict with Iran over its controversial nuclear programme, according to the findings of a Federation of American Scientists' (FAS) special report released here Friday.

Based on consulations with a group of nine bipartisan economic and national security experts, the findings showed the effects of U.S. escalatory action against Iran could range from 64 billion to 1.7 trillion dollars in losses for the world economy over the initial three-month term.

The least likely scenario of de-escalation, which would require U.S. unilateral steps showing it was willing to make concessions to resolve the standoff, would result in an estimated global economic benefit of 60 billion dollars.

"The study's findings suggest that there are potential costs to any number of U.S.-led actions and, in general, the more severe the action, the greater the possible costs," Mark Jansson, FAS's special projects director, told IPS.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:22:50 AM EST
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 WORLD 


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:14:38 PM EST
Hamas launches rocket attack on Jerusalem as pressure mounts on Netanyahu to launch ground invasion - Middle East - World - The Independent

The unfamiliar sound of air raid sirens wailed across Jerusalem as militants in Gaza for the first time targeted the city that both Israelis and Palestinians claim as their capital.

Channel 10 in Israel reported that three rockets missed the city, while local police reported that at least one hit Gush Etzion, a West Bank settlement less than 10 miles away from the city centre.

Hamas said that it had fired on Jerusalem on the third day of the latest violence between the group that controls the Gaza Strip and Israeli forces.

The targeting of Jerusalem followed a second day of rocket attacks by Gaza militants on southern Israel, as the Israeli Defence Force began mobilising thousands of its reserve troops, in preparation for a potential ground invasion.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:14:48 PM EST
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Egypt's premier visits Gaza; Israel masses forces | News | DW.DE | 16.11.2012

Kandil spoke at Gaza City's Shifa hospital after being shown the body of one of two people said by Palestinian sources to have been killed by Israeli planes in the Nazila area of northern Gaza.

"Egypt will not hesitate to intensify its efforts and make sacrifices to stop this aggression and achieve a lasting truce," Kandil said.

Before Kandil's arrival, Ismail Haniyeh - the leader of the Hamas movement, which runs Gaza - had urged neighboring Egypt to do more to help the Palestinians.

Israel announced that it had suspended military operations during Kandil's three-hour visit and accused Palestinian militants of firing more rockets from Gaza while the prime minister was present.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:14:58 PM EST
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Merkel blames Hamas for Gaza Strip violence - The Local
"The federal chancellor calls on the Egyptian government to use its influence on Hamas to push it towards a moderation of the violence," Merkel's deputy spokesman Georg Streiter told a regular government news conference.

Streiter added that Merkel was following the escalation of the unrest in the Middle East "with great concern" and stressed: "It is Hamas in Gaza that is responsible for the outbreak of the violence."

"There is no justification for firing rockets on Israel which are causing massive suffering to the Israeli population," Streiter added.

Merkel - in Moscow on Friday - wants an "immediate" stop to the rocket fire, the official said.

"The Israeli government has the right and the duty to protect its population in an appropriate way."
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:24:51 PM EST
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Astonishing level of bullshit

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:43:25 AM EST
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Germany's political elite always had this morally imbecilic policy to always support Israel out of guilt for the Holocaust, but it was never as uncritical, never as similar to the US support for Israel as now.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 08:34:01 AM EST
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Its not just Germany though. European leaders have been trending for the longest time to the American position of absolute support towards Israel. Coinciding with Israel's policies becoming more and more indefensible. Remember the last French presidential elections where the socialist position was that the Wall was A-Ok?

Von überall könnte das Volk, Urbrut alles Undemokratischen, Zelle des Terrors, über die gewählten Hüter von Wachstum und Wohlstand® kommen. - flatter
by generic on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 10:51:38 AM EST
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True, but Germany is still among the worst cases. Let's consider the votes of EU member states on Palestine's UNESCO bid: there were 11 Yes voters and 11 abstainers, and only 5 No voters (the Czech Republic, Germany, Lithuania, the Netherlands and Sweden). Since then, the Netherlands (new Israel-critical minister) and Cyprus (new gas exploration deal with Israel) may have shifted positions.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 11:50:01 AM EST
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The press is a bit different. This is supposed to be from Tagespiegel

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 02:28:26 AM EST
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IDF is now calling up 75,000 reservists.  Previously they'd announced calling up 16,000.

Hamas is claiming they are using GRAD rockets which are a military weapon system.  Last time they only had locally produced rockets.  If they are hitting Tel Aviv suburbs with these things they've, somehow, doubled their 'per spec' range.  

Skepticism is the first step on the road to truth. -- Denis Diderot

by ATinNM on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 04:12:34 PM EST
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Likud must really want to win that election

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:44:08 AM EST
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I also think this is a way of stealing a march, not so much on Obama, as on the fact of his reelection. Netanyahu wants to be setting the conditions of the next few years.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 10:01:10 AM EST
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They were going to win anyway. The "opposition" were almost all fighting to see who gets to be a minister in Netahyahu's cabinet. Barak, on the other hand might indeed have really wanted to win the election, as long as you interpret "win" as passing the minimum threshhold to enter parliament, so that he could remain Defense Minister.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 10:53:57 AM EST
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rt.com: Sources close to Hamas, "Al-Qassam Brigades" managed to capture Israeli pilots, were on board a military plane, "F - 16", which was dropped on Friday, November 16 / November missile "Land - Joe." This confirmed the second channel of the Israeli TV losing a plane in Gaza, and lost contact with the pilots who were on board.


"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 05:32:07 PM EST
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'We cannot pretend there is any more to do in Afghanistan': Lord Ashdown urges withdrawal of troops - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
British forces must withdraw from Afghanistan as quickly as possible before any more troops are killed, Liberal Democrat former leader Lord Ashdown said today.

...He said: "We cannot pretend there is any more to do in Afghanistan. The urgent priority is to get out. It is not worth wasting one more life in Afghanistan. All that we can achieve has now been achieved. All that we might have achieved if we had done things differently, has been lost.

"The only rational policy now is to leave quickly, in good order and in the company of our allies. This is the only cause for which further lives should be risked."



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:15:08 PM EST
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Japan's parliament dissolved ahead of elections | News | DW.DE | 16.11.2012

Yoshihiko Noda (left in photo), Japan's sixth prime minister in six years and the third since the 2009 election win by the Democratic Party of Justice (DPJ), had announced on that Wednesday he would call the election. He made it official on Friday, dissolving the lower house of Japan's parliament, the Diet.

"I want to seek a mandate from the people," Noda told reporters. The poll is due December 16.

In exchange, Noda secured multiple concessions Friday at the outgoing parliament's closing session, including a deficit-financing agreement allowing the government to issue bonds worth 38.3 trillion yen (477 billion dollars), without which Japan would have gone broke at the end of November.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:15:21 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Colombia Reports: Ex-Colombian President Alvaro Uribe rejected accusations by an Israeli mercenary that he helped finance the training of paramilitary groups in the 1980s. (...) The former head of state went on the defensive Thursday after Israeli mercenary Yair Klein testified before a Colombian court that he had been told that the former president helped finance the military training of militias. Klein gave his testimony via a video-link.

Amnesty International: In August 2011, a team of forensic anthropologists, including Fredy (Fredy Peccerelli, a Guatemalan forensic anthropologist), testified against four soldiers accused of being involved in a massacre of 250 people in the northern town of Dos Erres in 1982. Each of the soldiers was sentenced to over 6,000 years in prison (30 years for each of the 201 murder victims identified in the trial and 30 years more for crimes against humanity). But Fredy has paid a price for his involvement in that trial. Four days after the sentencing, on 8 August 2011, he received a note that read: "Son of a bitch. You're going to pay for each of those 6,050 years that our people are suffering because of you. We're not going to just watch you anymore, we're going to do you in, like the rest."

El Salvador, This essay will examine  some new developments in the case of one of the most notorious war crimes committed by the Salvadoran security forces during the twelve year long civil war: the massacre on the campus of the José Simeón Cañas University of Central America (UCA) in San Salvador on November 16, 1989. This is an immensely important issue because it could begin to balance the dialectic between impunity and accountability to the side of accountability. For the first time, a high-ranking army officer may soon be tried for this crime. A number of legal actions have converged to make this possible, with the main players being a Spanish Court, US immigration authorities, and the methodical work of the Center for Justice and Accountability (CJA). Their work, in turn, would not have been possible if not for the dedication of the Lawyers Committee for Human Rights and the late Congressman Joseph Moakley early on in the investigation.

LAHT, BOGOTA - Defense Minister Juan Carlos Pinzon said the regional chief of the Los Rastrojos drug gang was captured Thursday in connection with the massacre earlier this month of 10 farmworkers in northwestern Colombia.


"Beware of the man who does not talk, and the dog that does not bark." Cheyenne
by maracatu on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 06:01:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]
Arizona
An Arizona-based firearms dealer is refusing to do business with gun owners or potential gun buyers who voted for Barack Obama, and whether it costs him money, he is providing those potential customers with what he considers an object lesson about actions and consequences.

Cope Reynolds, proprietor at Southwest Shooting Authority in Pinetop, Ariz., told Examiner Friday that he is absolutely serious and he does not care if it upsets some people. His approach is visceral. It made headlines on AmmoLand and The Gun Wire, and it is garnering support from gun rights activists, as can be seen in the comments below.

Harvard
To offset an operating budget deficit, Harvard University Dining Services has implemented a dining restriction at Harvard Hillel that will curb the number of non-Jewish students eating at the kosher dining hall.

A sign went up on Friday at the entrance of the dining hall, limiting admittance to only those who are "a member or an invited guest of Harvard's diverse Jewish community."

It's not clear how they mean to enforce these bans, unless somebody does something blatant, like wearing a cross or being black.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 10:51:24 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Strikes against Iranian sites a 'nuclear gamble' | World | DW.DE | 17.11.2012

Attacks on Iran's nuclear facilities would kill tens of thousands of people in densely populated areas around the sites, a new study says. An attack at one site could have Chernobyl-like consequences.

An attack on Iran's nuclear facilities would kill tens of thousands of people and severely damage the health of hundreds of thousands more, a study finds. "The Ayatollah's Nuclear Gamble" was published by the University of Utah and the "Iran Hope" Institute. The researchers assume that four nuclear sites - Natanz, Arak, Bushehr and Isfahan - would be targeted in a military attack.

In your report, you draw a parallel with the Chernobyl disaster. What are the similarities?

We studied four nuclear sites. An attack on Bushehr would probably trigger a catastrophe of the same magnitude as the one in Chernobyl. The main reactor in Bushehr is of a similar make and size as the destroyed reactor in Chernobyl. Both were built by Russian engineers.

Your report concludes that tens of thousands of people would die as a result of a military attack. Who is most at risk?

Of course the first victims would be the employees, security guards and technicians working in the power plant. Depending on the degree of destruction, residential areas surrounding the power plants would also be threatened. The Isfahan nuclear site is particularly worrying, because the area surrounding it is so densely populated.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:12:21 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Clashes rage between rebels in Mali's north - Africa - Al Jazeera English

Two rival rebel groups in Mali have fought a gunbattle in the country's east, both groups said, the first clash between them for months.

Friday's exchange of fire between al Qaeda-linked MUJWA and independence-seeking MNLA rebels, near Mali's border with Niger and Burkina Faso, happened as African countries planned military action against northern rebels.

Rebels of various stripe seized control of the north after a military coup in March paralysed the central government. But rivalries between the groups ended their uneasy joint-control of the area and in June MUJWA ousted the MNLA from the town of Gao, the region where the fighting took place.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:14:15 AM EST
[ Parent ]
Southeast Asia calls for talks with China on sea dispute | Reuters

Southeast Asian nations displayed a rare show of unity on Sunday against China's sweeping maritime claims, calling for the first formal talks with Beijing over a sea dispute that has raised tensions and exposed deep divisions in the region.

As Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao arrived in Cambodia for meetings with Southeast Asian leaders, the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) appeared determined to avoid a repeat of an embarrassing breakdown of talks in July over competing claims in the mineral-rich South China Sea, its biggest security challenge.

China's assertive claims in the South China Sea have sown deep divisions within the bloc at a time when military spending in the region is surging and the United States refocuses attention on Asia - a "pivot" that President Barack Obama will reinforce on his visit to the summit on Monday in Cambodia's capital, Phnom Penh.
by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:27:50 AM EST
[ Parent ]
 LIVING OFF THE PLANET 
 Environment, Energy, Agriculture, Food 


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:15:35 PM EST
Oettinger urges Lithuania to build nuclear power plant | EurActiv

Oettinger said on Wednesday (14 November) that if a nuclear power plant is not built in Lithuania, the problems with energy supply security will persist in the entire region, including the Baltic countries, Finland and the Kaliningrad region, the Baltic News Service (BNS) reported.

Lithuanians voted in a non-binding referendum on 14 October against building the Visaginas nuclear power plant, which is planned to replace Ignalina, a Soviet-designed nuclear station closed in 2009 as part of its accession deal (see background).

The new power plant was planned to be build with technology from Japan's Hitachi.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:15:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]
How much do we spend on nuclear waste? | Environment | guardian.co.uk
Last week, a new report by the National Audit Office (NAO) highlighted the spiralling costs of running Sellafield, the UK's huge nuclear reprocessing and storage site. Duncan Clark reviews the data


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:15:53 PM EST
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Al Gore: nuclear power will play 'limited role' in future energy mix | Environment | guardian.co.uk
Despite several countries, including the US, UK and China, pushing forward with plans for new nuclear reactors, the former vice-president said the economics of nuclear meant that it was unlikely to play a major role.

"It will play a role, but probably a limited role. I think the waste issue can probably be solved, and Fukushima notwithstanding, the safety of operation issue can probably be solved. But the cost is absurdly high and still rising," he wrote during a question and answer session on Reddit to promote his 24-hour Climate Reality webcast on the links between fossil fuels and extreme weather.

Gore's comments seem to suggest he has changed his mind on how attractive nuclear is - in 2009, he said he saw it playing "a somewhat larger role" in the energy mix because of climate change and efforts to cut carbon emissions. "I'm not a reflexive opponent of nuclear. I used to be enthusiastic about it, but I'm now sceptical about it," he told the Guardian at the time.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:16:03 PM EST
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Al Gore leaves the lights on.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 02:10:34 AM EST
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REACH chemicals law hampers EU recycling goals | EurActiv
SPECIAL REPORT / The REACH chemical safety regulation is creating headaches for recycled products manufacturers, hampering the European Union's efforts to decrease its reliance on imported raw materials. The European Commission has only begun acknowledging the problem, saying it will take time to address.

...The problem with using recycled products as raw materials - especially plastics - is that they may contain chemical substances that are no longer authorised in Europe because of REACH.

"In recycled plastics, you may find substances which were on the market 40 years ago but are currently phased out," van der Meulen explained.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:16:15 PM EST
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Project Rehabilitates Europe's Largest Open Sewer in Ruhr Region - SPIEGEL ONLINE
For over a century, cities and companies have been dumping waste into the Emscher River in Germany's industrial heartland. But a massive project is bringing life back to Europe's dirtiest river and diverting the sewage into an ultra-modern, underground drain complete with water elevators and cleaning robots.

The interesting parts are too long to quote; but in summary this river clean-up is especially challenging due to factors like mine shafts, ground subsidence and WWII bombs; and the poppution level is extreme.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:16:24 PM EST
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Washington weighs moving climate politics beyond UNFCCC | EurActiv
EXCLUSIVE / The US is considering a funnel of substantive elements of the Doha Climate Summit away from the UN framework and into the Major Economies Forum (MEF), a platform of the world's largest CO2 emitters, EurActiv has learned.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:16:36 PM EST
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Black Elk Energy oil rig fire: two feared dead, two more missing | World news | The Guardian

Two people are missing, feared dead, after a fire broke out on an oil rig off the coast of Louisiana, the US coast guard said on Friday.

Four other workers were seriously injured in the fire on the Black Elk Energy rig in the Gulf of Mexico. A total of 11 were taken to hospital.

Reports of the fire immediately recalled the April 2010 blowout of BP's well in the Gulf of Mexico, which killed 11 men and unleashed one of America's worst environmental disasters.

But the Black Elk Facility - unlike BP's Macondo well - was not a drilling rig, and it was not operating in deep water, which means the potential environmental consequences could be relatively slight.

A sheen of oil about 1km long and 200m wide was reported on the Gulf surface, but officials believe it came from residual oil on the platform.

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:05:33 AM EST
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IPS - "Writing Is on the Wall" at Upcoming Climate Summit | Inter Press Service

Two-thirds of the world's proven fossil fuel reserves cannot be used without risking dangerous climate change, the International Energy Agency (IEA) warned this week.

Preventing the consumption of those two-thirds will be the primary task of the annual U.N. climate negotiations that resume at the end of this month.

Late Wednesday, U.S. President Barack Obama surprised many by saying climate change will be a personal mission in his second term.

"The re-election of President Obama guarantees continuity of the U.S. pledge of reducing emissions 17 percent below its carbon emissions in 2005 by 2020," said Christina Figueres, executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

by Bernard on Sun Nov 18th, 2012 at 09:23:50 AM EST
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 LIVING ON THE PLANET 
 Society, Culture, History, Information 


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:16:51 PM EST
East German prison labor once built Ikea components | News | DW.DE | 16.11.2012

Ikea said in a statement on Friday that the Ernst & Young report it commissioned had found that "political prisoners and other inmates were partly involved in the production of components or pieces of furniture that were delivered to Ikea 25 to 30 years ago."

The study also found that representatives of Ikea, now the world's largest furniture company, were aware of this possibility.

Ikea Sustainability Manager Jeanette Skjelmose said the company had taken steps to try to prevent the use of prison labor, but that "it's now clear these measures weren't effective enough."

"At that time we didn't have today's elaborate monitoring systems, and we evidently did not do enough to prevent such types of production," Skjelmose said.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:17:00 PM EST
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Ikea admits using East German prison labour - The Local

Ikea apologized on Friday after a report confirmed that East German political prisoners were used in the Swedish furniture giant's factories in the 1970s and 1980s.

"We are deeply sorry that this could happen," Jeanette Skjelmose, head of sustainability at Ikea of Sweden, said in a statement.

Following revelations that surfaced in April this year on Sveriges Television's (SVT) Uppdrag Granskning programme, the furniture company initially rejected the claims, but on Friday admitted that prisoners had been used to make its products.

Ikea had commissioned an investigation into the claims by auditors Earnst and Young which concluded that Ikea furniture had been built using East German prisoners.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:27:27 PM EST
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The most murderous place in Europe just got more dangerous - Europe - World - The Independent

Jacques Nacer, 60, president of the southern Corsica chamber of commerce, was shot dead in his own shop on one of the busiest streets in the island's capital, Ajaccio. Mr Nacer, a popular secretary-general of the Athletic Club Ajaccio (ACA) football club, was the 17th person to be gunned down in Corsica this year.

There was a time when Corsican murders mostly involved relatively obscure members of the island's intertwined nationalist and criminal gangs. Mr Nacer's death confirms a disturbing new trend towards the assassination of leading figures in public life.

Exactly a month ago, one of the island's leading lawyers, Antoine Sollacaro, was shot dead while filling his car at a petrol station in Ajaccio. Both he and Mr Nacer were closely associated with Alain Orsoni, once the leader of a Corsican independence movement, now the president of ACA in the French first division.

...Mr Valls pointed out that Corsica, with 300,000 people, had 0.5 per cent of the population of France but 20 per cent of all its "revenge killings". The island is now estimated to be, proportionately, the most murderous and criminal place in the European Union - ahead of Sicily or Sardinia.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:17:10 PM EST
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'Basque terrorist' arrested in Liverpool after 17 years on the run - Crime - UK - The Independent

Raul Angel Fuentes Villota, 56, an alleged Eta member, was arrested in a joint operation between Merseyside police, MI6 and Spanish police, the Spanish Interior Ministry confirmed.

Villota has been wanted since 1995 and is allegedly responsible for several murders.

Originally from Bilbao, he has lived with false documents in the UK and has been "waiting for instructions" from Eta, according to the Spanish Interior Ministry.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:17:19 PM EST
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 PEOPLE AND KLATSCH 


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:17:33 PM EST
Ten more BBC staff acccused of sexual misconduct in wake of Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal | thetelegraph.com.au

AT least 10 more BBC staff have been accused of sexual misconduct in the wake of the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal that has rocked the celebrity-obsessed United Kingdom.

The 10 are in addition to 29 other employees of the national broadcaster confirmed as being under investigation for complaints ranging from harassment to assault.

The revelation came as Dave Lee Travis - former BBC radio star and host of the Top of the Pops TV show with Savile - who was arrested yesterday today denied any wrongdoing.

The high profile DJ Mr Travis said his arrest had nothing to do with child abuse.

"This is nothing to do with kids, all right?" he said today.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 03:59:20 PM EST
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"Nothing to do with kids". That is probably a legally true comment to do with not being a paedophile; however that doesn't mean he isn't being investigated with regard to post-pubescent under-16 year old teenagers.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:50:13 AM EST
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http://www.b92.net/eng/news/politics-article.php?yyyy=2012&mm=11&dd=16&nav_id=83195

BELGRADE -- The Serbian government met on Friday in Belgrade and decided to reduce its cooperation with the Hague-based UN war crimes court to a technical level.
The decision came as the tribunal acquitted two former Croatian army generals in an appeals process, overturning the verdict that found them guilty of committing war crimes against ethnic Serbs in Croatia.

Minister Rasim Ljajić, who also serves as head of the National Council for Cooperation with the Hague Tribunal (ICTY), made the announcement in a news conference after the government session today.

He explained that on PM Ivica Dačić's initiative, his cabinet considered political and legal implications of the acquittal as the first item on its agenda.

The government concluded that the tribunal, instead of serving justice, once again caused the pain to the victims of the so-called Operation Storm - the 1995 Croatian army and police onslaught against that country's Serb areas.  

Bustards in Hague acquitted war criminals that killed thousands of Serbian civilians in "Storm" war operation, because they are Croats. With this kind of justice no wonder that EU will go in to the pieces and dissolve. You own it.And I applaud Serbian government for doing this.Now it is for all the world to see that they shouldn't cooperate at the first place.
 

by vbo on Fri Nov 16th, 2012 at 09:26:18 PM EST
vbo:
no wonder that EU will go in to the pieces and dissolve. You own it

The ICTY is a UN creation and has nothing to do with the EU. As to the decisions of the ICTY causing the demise of the EU, that's delirium.

And once again this "You". Who do you think you're addressing? There is no significant way either the EU nor contributors to this blog "own" the ICTY or its decisions (which may or may not be justified, as with any court of law).

And what about you? Do you "own" Serbia? Do you "own" the nationalists you have said elsewhere you despised and opposed? As your comment above seems to suggest you object to their indictment, do you "own" Milosevic and Karadzic?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 02:42:28 AM EST
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When I said you again I address USA /EU because yes USA made this fake court in EU...
Obviously I do not address individuals like you.
Now you know how I feel when your media address all Serbs as war criminals , wild and savages and that's disgusting how far they go in this.Even now no one can "wash" name Serb and they put us in their stupid movies always like savages. That's what western "Truth" made. And with this shameful act they are just proving what their "justice" looks like.  
by vbo on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 03:31:15 AM EST
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They are liberated because the court decided that they can not prove their criminal intent in leading the war actions. Personally I think they were just puppets of Tudjman and the rest of the government at the time.

Tudjman knew that, Croatia occupied and thorn in pieces could not survive because there was very bad communication between its parts. He decided for the flash war action knowing very well and hoping that the flash move would scare civilians as well as military personnel there and they will run away. In that situation, even if you respect every rule of the 'fair war' (although there is not such a thing as a fair war) you can not avoid that some individuals who lost their families or friends previously or are just pain crazy acting on their revenge impulses.

They could not prove that Gotovina ordered actions against civilians because he probably did not. But what they might have proven that he knew who of his army acted out of control and failed punish them. Also, there is a shame on the part of Croatia that those individuals who did war crimes against civilians for eg. in Golubić, Gošić, Varivode i Mokro Polje are not processed. Only the case of Grubori is on trial currently in Croatia. And those are real criminals from the Croatian side apart from Tudjman and his support at the time of the actions, most of whom have already died of natural deaths.

Tudjman was a psychopath and a clever one because he thought of this action carefully in the way that

  1. Since Serbs were telling that "Where one Serb is there is Serbia and they will not stop till all the Serbs are united in one state" he has to expulse the more Serbian people he can from Croatia in order to protect its integrity in the future
  2. He had to do it in a way of minimal damage to Croatia and, very importantly, in a way that it can not be proven the guilt directly to the country for such massive exodus and not to jeopardize the political status and its EU accession.
This is exactly what happened. They did not order expulsions or attacks on civilians so nobody would have the proof for that. But he knew very well that, in the heat of the action, the unknown and not high ranked individuals will do the part of the dirty work that will support his goal without them ordering it.
Probably, if the Croatia's territory shape would be more like Serbia and the separated territory one remote part like Kosovo, Croatia would not be able to defend its 'liberating' actions due to the vital necessity for its functioning and, once leaving Yugoslavia would not be able to deny the same kind of freedom to the part of its territory populated with the other majority.

Apart from all that, there are some complexes in both countries, Croatia and Serbia. A lot of people in Croatia were frustrated because they consider that the international community is treating both sides equally guilty although they saw Serbia as an aggressor to their territory. On the other hand, Serbia has the paranoia of the victim claiming that the world make them look guilty that is very heard to deny if you have your generals brought from your country to another one's territory.

Anyway, the person who has prejudices against the other individual who did not do him any wrong, only based on their nationality -are plain crazy. And the brainwash in that sense from the part of Serbian politics is just the part of the package of its manipulation in order to stay in power. It is like they would say that everybody hates Germans because of movies about Nazi's and the WW2. US maybe had the interest to put some military bases in Kosovo (one more point close to middle east) under the excuse of being the world policemen, but once they accomplished that, what motives would they have to hate Serbs?

Anyway, as long as people are not able to agree on common history facts, they will not be able to move on.

Speaking about the prejudices and the unjust court in Hague, I think the judges have to try very hard not to be biased upon the personal impression of the defendents since Gotovina is very calm and dignified person while Seselj was throwing all the curse words he could come up with, intimidating witnesses, disrespecting the court and basically trying to provoke biased treatment for himself and use it as an argument to prove it and undermine their sentencing. So he just learned to apply his country's politics to personal level.

by SteelLady on Sat Nov 17th, 2012 at 06:47:17 AM EST
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