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by afew Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 11:09:31 AM EST

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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 11:09:54 AM EST


"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 11:17:09 AM EST
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Damn, this kid, Macyn Taylor, is good. I confess to raging green-hearted jealousy



keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:30:57 PM EST
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Very good - refined slam.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 01:05:22 PM EST
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Republican Jesus:

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:05:56 PM EST
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:25:00 PM EST
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"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:09:46 PM EST
Slightly different campfire story:
"The phone call is coming from inside the house" (of Commons/Representatives.)

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by Number 6 on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:32:56 PM EST
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"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:24:08 PM EST


"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:29:30 PM EST
Wow. Fascinating.

Wikipedia:

On October 30, 1924, Midgley participated in a press conference to demonstrate the apparent safety of TEL. In this demonstration, he poured TEL over his hands, then placed a bottle of the chemical under his nose and inhaled its vapor for sixty seconds, declaring that he could do this every day without succumbing to any problems whatsoever. [...] Midgley himself was careful to avoid mentioning to the press that he required nearly a year to recover from the lead poisoning brought on by his demonstration at the press conference.


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by Number 6 on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:39:17 PM EST
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Read all about The Secret History Of Lead.

Also check out this article (pdf):

After Frank Durr died in a straightjacket in 1924, workers at the DuPont Deep Water plant thought they knew what killed him. They figured it was the same thing that killed William McSweeny--whose sister called the police for help after he went home sick from his work at a similar Standard Oil facility, then woke up the next morning violently insane. He died in a straightjacket, too. Fifteen others did as well, and the dead men shared one more feature: They all had worked in a House
of Butterflies--a buildng for tetraethyl lead synthesis--so named because its workers were known for brushing hallucinated insects from their bodies.

Yet more fun with Chapter Four from Anthony Sutton's "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler":

CHAPTER FOUR: Standard Oil Fuels World War II

Another prominent example of Standard Oil assistance to Nazi Germany -- in cooperation with General Motors -- was in supplying ethyl lead. Ethyl fluid is an anti-knock compound used in both aviation and automobile fuels to eliminate knocking, and so improve engine efficiency; without such anti-knocking compounds modern mobile warfare would be impractical.

In 1924 the Ethyl Gasoline Corporation was formed in New York City, jointly owned by the Standard Oil Company of New Jersey and General Motors Corporation, to control and utilize U.S. patents for the manufacture and distribution of tetraethyl lead and ethyl fluid in the U.S. and abroad. Up to 1935 manufacture of these products was undertaken only in the United States. In 1935 Ethyl Gasoline Corporation transferred its know-how to Germany for use in the Nazi rearmament program. This transfer was undertaken over the protests of the U.S. Government.

Ethyl's intention to transfer its anti-knock technology to Nazi Germany came to the attention of the Army Air Corps in Washington, D.C. On December 15, 1934 E. W. Webb, president of Ethyl Gasoline, was advised that Washington had learned of the intention of "forming a German company with the I.G. to manufacture ethyl lead in that country." The War Department indicated that there was considerable criticism of this technological transfer, which might "have the gravest repercussions" for the U.S.; that the commercial demand for ethyl lead in Germany was too small to be of interest; and,

... it has been claimed that Germany is secretly arming [and] ethyl lead would doubtless be a valuable aid to military aeroplanes.10


by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 03:13:25 PM EST
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Bill Bryson has an entire chapter on this lead story in his book A Short History of Nearly Everything.

Lead is not that important in pinging, as both Bryson and others have found, so the addition of lead, as well as being polluting, was useless.

by stevesim on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 12:59:32 PM EST
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we went through a period where chemicals were used without real consideration as to health or the environment by corporate entities.

the same thing is happening now with nanotechnology and people don't seem to care.  for example, nanotechnology to have a nice finish on your car's paint job?

by stevesim on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 01:02:00 PM EST
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I remember there being a chapter in the A-level chemistry book on Midgely and lead. Apparently it was the second choice metal, another one was more effective, however  this metal had two problems, firstly it was rarer and didn't have a reliable source on US soil, and secondly exposure to exhaust  fumes containing it made peoples sweat smell like garlic.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 01:49:50 PM EST
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the guy wanted to add lead to everything as  I recall
by stevesim on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 03:15:05 PM EST
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The Yard

Hilarious!

by ElaineinNM on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 01:24:18 PM EST
Heh.

Wasn't in "band" myself, but on Junior High and High levels I've heard Birdland more times that I can count.

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by Number 6 on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 05:35:21 AM EST
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Yes, going to see Cloud Atlas again, so soon.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 01:36:53 PM EST
nobody notices that the CH is going to see this again after only two days away? isn't anyone curious?


The film premiered at the 2012 Toronto International Film Festival, whereupon it received a 10-minute standing ovation.

The film has polarized critics, with some, like Roger Ebert, praising it highly, and others, such as Christy Lemire panning it outright. The reaction to Cloud Atlas has been compared to the previous year's reaction to Terrence Malick's The Tree of Life....

Film critic Roger Ebert praised the film for being "one of the most ambitious films ever made", awarding the film four out of four stars. He wrote "Even as I was watching Cloud Atlas the first time, I knew I would need to see it again. Now that I've seen it the second time, I know I'd like to see it a third time ... I think you will want to see this daring and visionary film ... I was never, ever bored by Cloud Atlas. On my second viewing, I gave up any attempt to work out the logical connections between the segments, stories and characters."

Variety described it as "an intense three-hour mental workout rewarded with a big emotional payoff. ... One's attention must be engaged at all times as the mosaic triggers an infinite range of potentially profound personal responses."[3] James Rocchi of MSN Movies stated "It is so full of passion and heart and empathy that it feels completely unlike any other modern film in its range either measured through scope of budget or sweep of action."[49] The Daily Beast called Cloud Atlas "one of the year's most important movies".

Inside movies described the film as "utterly, wonderfully epic".[45] Michael Cieply of The New York Times commented on the film "You will have to decide for yourself whether it works. It's that kind of picture. ... Is this the stuff of Oscars? Who knows? Is it a force to be reckoned with in the coming months? Absolutely."[50]

However, the film was criticized by Slant Magazine reviewer Calum Marsh, who called Cloud Atlas a "unique and totally unparalleled disaster" and commented "[its] badness is fundamental, an essential aspect of the concept and its execution that I suspect is impossible to remedy or rectify".[51] The Guardian stated "At 163 minutes, Cloud Atlas carries all the marks of a giant folly, and those unfamiliar with the book will be baffled."[52]

i don't care what the rest of the film world says, should there be a civilization for my grandchildren, they will be discussing this film and its repercussions.

PS. Even better the second time, all three hours of it.

PPS. This is absolutely brilliant filmmaking, including the balance of art and commerce, and i simply can't believe this hasn't exploded. Actually, as far as the US goes, i can believe, since it was released in the run up to election. But then, amurkans aren't likely to like the look in the mirror.

PPPS. Fuck it, no time to diary. Damn.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 06:53:38 PM EST
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Had you read the book before seeing the film?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 02:00:49 AM EST
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No. so I can't comment about that. i'm only seeing it as a film.

my amurkan friends can't seem to get it, as i'm discovering on facecrack.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 03:25:47 AM EST
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"get it"?

As in, buy the book, see the movie, understand?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 03:33:37 AM EST
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Understand. In my circle, some call the film pretentious, including one widely read film critic. i find that absurd, coming from amurkans.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 03:42:01 AM EST
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Just flipped through a couple of pages of the book on ama$on. Was not repulsed as I generally am by bestsellers. It might be a good read.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 03:46:26 AM EST
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i might recommend seeing the film first, but then, i haven't read the book. Yet. Now i will.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 04:49:12 AM EST
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The film was first released in Sweden, on the first of March.

It will be last released in France (and Japan), on the 15th of March. 2013.

Meh.

(They really fear French film critics that much?)

(More often, films are released first in France. Is this a loss of cultural hegemony?)

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 04:55:05 AM EST
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Sweden must have been an early test screening, for the actual premiere was at Toronto Film Fest in september (10-minute standing ovation), then US release (plus Canada and others) 26 october.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 05:24:19 AM EST
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French release = FR dubbed version?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 05:46:22 AM EST
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In major cities, "big" or "arty" hollywood films are released in dubbed and subtitled versions, at the same date.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 05:52:54 AM EST
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I guess we'll just have to d*wnl*ad it off the *ntern*t.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 05:53:45 AM EST
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Yeah, so you have to wait for the dubbed version to be ready.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 07:47:32 AM EST
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But the release dates are a commercial decision. There's never a problem with getting a dubbed version ready in time when they want France to be in the first wave.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 07:58:49 AM EST
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eurogreen:
getting a dubbed version ready in time when they want France to be in the first wave.

??

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 08:36:42 AM EST
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You seemed to be saying that the release in France was delayed because the dubbed version was not ready. I was pointing out that it's not a logistical problem; they could have prepared a VF for October or November easily enough. Rather, the release date is a commercial decision. In fact a film is never released in two versions (VO and VF) in France at different dates -- I have never seen this, anyway.

But perhaps you were saying something else.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 08:50:25 AM EST
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Good dubbing (and French dubbing is usually excellent) does take some time, and resources in terms of the best teams, actors, and studio availability, may be stretched for an autumn premiere (too many movies in the pipeline). If the production was stuck with a date too close to Christmas, they may well have decided to put it off till spring. As a commercial decision, it seems a bit risky, which is why I wonder if there was not at least an element of constraint. But maybe not.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 11:59:58 AM EST
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Release in November might not be only a commercial decision ; in the US, Oscar positioning is a major  part of choosing to have a movie come out before rather than after Christmas for movies that have these pretensions.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 06:38:32 PM EST
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Quick google gives that Cloud Atlas will be released 1st of March 2013.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 02:50:52 PM EST
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Have you (or anyone) read the book?

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 03:26:22 AM EST
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Not I.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Nov 22nd, 2012 at 03:32:21 AM EST
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and when things get worse, the truth becomes even more obvious.

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 04:53:42 PM EST
huh ??

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 04:56:26 PM EST
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oops it dropped the caption:

"When it becomes serious, you have to lie."

Jean-Claude Junker 20/04/2011 Prime minister of Luxenbourg
Chairman of the Eurogroup Council of Eurozone Finance Ministers



"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 05:00:02 PM EST
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it comes from this site Kyle Bass: The Central Bankers' Potemkin Village | FS Staff | FINANCIAL SENSE
Central bankers are feverishly attempting to create their own new world: a utopia in which debts are never restructured, and there are no consequences for fiscal profligacy, i.e. no atonement for prior sins. They have created Potemkin villages on a Jurassic scale. The sum total of the volatility they are attempting to suppress will be less than the eventual volatility encountered when their schemes stop working. Most refer to comments like this as heresy against the orthodoxy of economic thought. We have a hard time understanding how the current situation ends any way other than a massive loss of wealth and purchasing power through default, inflation or both.


"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 05:01:52 PM EST
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http://www.scribd.com/doc/113621307/Kyle-Bass
i wish i could quote more from this site, but there is some new-to-me DSM on it that impedes c/p.

highly interesting, go read the whole thing...

"We can all be prosperous but we can't all be rich." Ian Welsh

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Wed Nov 21st, 2012 at 05:12:22 PM EST
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